Speaking of shoes, I'd (NOT) like to walk...
Posted By: Marmann on 2008-12-15
In Reply to: Throwing Shoes at President Bush - catz
...a mile in the shoes of the average Iraqi citizen. Bush totally destroyed their country. Last I heard, there STILL wasn't water or electricity in parts of the country that we demolished. As bad as Saddam Hussein was, at least he kept Iran out of Iraq because they were mortal enemies.
They didn't do anything to us. Bush invented fiction about WMD and AL Qaeda and started a war based on lies. He said way back in 1999 that if he ever had the chance to invade Iraq, he would.
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20050620/why_george_went_to_war.php
Where I come from, that's called "premeditation." We went in and demolished their country. Bush knew IEDs would be a threat to our troops, yet he REFUSED to supply them with vehicles that would protect our soldiers from them.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2008-12-08-mrap_N.htm
If we remained concentrated on Afghanistan, we'd have caught Osama bin Laden by now. This just begs the question of WHY bin Laden suddenly lost his "importance" to Bush and Iraq suddenly became the focus after 9/11. Perhaps bin Laden is worth more to Bush politically if he is alive.
Bush gave a presidential coin to the grieving mother of a dead soldier and told her, "Don't go sell it on eBay." http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/05/bush_to_mother_dont_sell_on_eb.html
Bush used Pat Tillman as a recruiting poster boy while he was alive, and after he was killed under suspicious circumstances (http://www.house.gov/list/press/ca15_honda/SEPT06CORPTILLMAN.html), Tillman's family was told that Tillman was nothing but "worm dirt" because they weren't Christian. http://crooksandliars.com/2007/04/24/pats-worm-dirt/
KBR (Cheney's Halliburton subsidiary) provided WASTEWATER for bathing and drinking, etc. to our troops for almost TWO YEARS. Does that fall under Rumsfeld's assertion that, "You go to war with the army you have, not the army you want?" or does it simply display complete contempt and disrespect for our soldiers? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/10/AR2008031002487.html
There are just so many bad things and questions surrounding the war itself. When you add Bush's contempt for our troops, his cockiness and that smirk, it's a wonder that ALL he got thrown in his face was a shoe.
In fact, he was interviewed after the "shoe" attack. A portion of it is copied and pasted below. He used the same old "al Qaeda in Iraq" excuse, and when it was pointed out that al Qaeda wasn't IN Iraq until WE got there, his answer was, "So what?"
You can see the interview at http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Bush_Im_not_insulted_by_thrown_1215.html
The question and answer where he says, "So what?" starts at approximately 2:00.
During the interview, Bush says his legacy will "take time," but includes No Child Left Behind and "52 months of uninterrupted job growth," then speaks about his role in "protecting" America after 9/11. He mentions that al Qaeda has turned out to be a problem in Iraq.
Raddatz points out that al Qaeda didn't choose to make Iraq a base to fight from until after the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. Bush's response? "Yeah, that's right. So what?"
I still fear the extent of the damage this man can do before Obama is sworn in -- assuming Obama IS sworn in -- (http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Parowan_Prophet_Obama_wont_make_it_1214.html) (and if he isn't, it won't have anything to do with God; rather someone who is GodLESS; don't need to be a "prophet" to predict THAT).
That shoe was thrown at Bush because he has created such destruction, disdain distrust and disrespect in Iraq, as he has done in America, as well.
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How do you know I haven't walk a mile in their shoes?
You don't have one iota of a clue what I've been through in my life. So, your trying to portray me as some mean spirited soul who doesn't have a clue what tough times are is very presumptious of you. I have walked some very difficult roads. I could write a book about what has happened to me that was not my fault, but I dealt with it. I received help and was grateful, and once I had a leg up I took it from there. I never once complained about what the government wasn't doing for me.
I'm not saying that the situation in Lebanon is easy or fair. However, at some point people have to take the consequences of their choices and live with them and not criticize the help they are given. If these people weren't whining while being evacuated from their country on a luxury cruisde ship with all the amenties I would have kept my mouth shut, but the audacity of people to complain about THEIR RESCUERS goes beyond being ungrateful. Now, if I was standing on a corner telling a mentally challenged homeless person to suck it up and get a job then your sermons would have been called for, but these are people who went to Lebanon with the money out of their pocket knowing full well the dangers there. I really can't believe you are comparing the dangers of Beirut, Lebanon to any American city, but then again I don't choose to walk through the worst neighbohoods in my city at night either. Anyway, there is no comparison.
Beacon of democracy must walk the walk,
No more Bush bluster. If the war on terror means anthing to you, listen up. One giant step in restoring mangled image abroad (in preparation for global diplomacy aimed at a 21st century approach to the war on terror) would be to live by example. Credibility is the name of the game in that arena.
For those among us who would be the first to decry an Obama administration that would "change our country as we know it," it might be helpful to remember just how much of that country we lost during W's reign of terror...writ of habeas corpus, presumed innocence, right to counsel and fair trial, burden or proof, not to mention even a modicum of acknowledgement of basic human rights and condemnation of torture. Sound familiar?
I've been in your shoes.....sm
Last year, when a raging wildfire was two miles on the other side of our small town here in Montana, our local sheriff's dept from 60 miles away, came at 2 a.m. to knock on our door and give us a mandatory evacuation.
We chose to stay and hunker down, as you mention. The fire could have roared through here during the night, and my husband and I would have been goners. But that was our choice, at the time, and no one else could make that choice for us, or help us any more than they had. We stayed for the entire month, until it was out, as we chose to.
Part of the problem seems to be your local government and local media. You should think and do for you and your family what needs to be done, what you feel needs to be done. You shouldn't take it out on the people on this board, if they do not understand exactly what you mean.
And if you're so upset by media blitz on the election coverage, you should take it up with your local govt once things calm down after the storm, and tell them how neglected you feel during all of this. They are the ones that should be helping you, and are not.
And please be safe. Even though you think the conservatives on this board could care less, that's the furthest thing from the truth. You must do what you need to do. And getting angry at people here, doesn't help your situation, and takes away from what you ability to make decisions to help your family, right there where you are. This board isn't what's important. You and your family are.
Be safe.
Regardless, it's still there, stuck on our shoes...
LOL, looks like the elitist needs some new shoes
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I wonder why he never threw his shoes at Saddam!
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waling a mile in their shoes
Marmann:
I agree with your statement; I have a son who just came back from there (he's been in the military for 19 years), and he states it is far worse than we know. He told me 'mom, I have seen a lot of things in my service to this country, but to see what I have seen there"..and he can't talk about it further because he breaks down in tears, especially when he talks about the children and friends he has lost because of this so-called war..it's heartbreaking.. He is home now, he has one more year left and after that he says he will retire. War through a soldier's eyes and heart go beyond devastation; that is why so many of our husbands, sisters, fathers and even mothers who serve our country who come back from war broken because through their eyes and hearts - they know things that they can never and will never discuss with anyone.
waling a mile in their shoes
Marmann:
I agree with your statement; I have a son who just came back from there (he's been in the military for 19 years), and he states it is far worse than we know. He told me 'mom, I have seen a lot of things in my service to this country, but to see what I have seen there"..and he can't talk about it further because he breaks down in tears, especially when he talks about the children and friends he has lost because of this so-called war..it's heartbreaking.. He is home now, he has one more year left and after that he says he will retire. War through a soldier's eyes and heart go beyond devastation; that is why so many of our husbands, sisters, fathers and even mothers who serve our country who come back from war broken because through their eyes and hearts - they know things that they can never and will never discuss with anyone.
How about the choice to blow someone away for their tennis shoes?
Should we stay out of that personal business too?
Throwing Shoes at President Bush
I just saw a story on Headline News Network about the shoe-throwing incident, and they said the people of Iraq are divided on how they feel about it, but nobody feels it was wrong, half of them think it was the right thing to do and half think it was an embarrassment but not necessarily the wrong thing to do.
so if they feel that way, let's bring our precious sons and daughters home, and never go back. Our finances are in crisis, we can't afford to be spending billions where we're not wanted. What's the point of being there and spending all this money we could be using in much better ways. Why keep risking the lives of our troops for people who don't appreciate it at all? I'm no political genius, far from it, but plain old common sense says this is just wrong!
All that tells me is he doesn't want to break in a new pair of shoes...
can't say as I blame him. lol.
Just another walk in the park.
I simply transferred my post from a thread so long it was beginning to disappear and combined 2 responses in 1 when guess who appeared under one shot. Next time, look before you pounce...rule of the jungle, survival of the fittest and all that good stuff.
You, on the other hand, cannot bear to let a single chance pass you by when it comes to imposing your obnoxious comments where they don’t belong. Juvenile name calling...waste of time (WOT)...a new short cut for you to try to wrap you brain around. Besides, denial is your game, not mine.
Careful, your intolerance is showing, for the umpteenth million time. Zzzzzzzzzzz, so boring.
No. He can walk and chew gum
This information has been up on his website since the day he announced his candidacy. Selective hearing does not make a convincing argument. The tax increase is aimed at INDIVIDUAL incomes in excess of $250,000. The tax cut applies to the rest of us. Hello….He can do both. What part of MTs are middle class workers do you not get? No he is not talking out of both sides of his mouth. He wants to reverse Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy. Basically, this would reset status quo back to the day before those tax cuts went into effect. I "get around it" with the truth. Like the OP below pointed out, Obama cannot create more social programs without the majority support of Congress. That's the way democracy works. He is simply trying to restore funding for longstanding program commitments that has been stripped, diverted or discontinued over the Bush years to fund the war. Read his platform. Examine his voting record. There is no inconsistency between the two. The only one around here who is being "run" is you…by smear tactics. He is not wishy-washy either. He is not ashamed of being able to broker compromise, and that is exactly what this country needs to break this deadly gridlock in Congress. Don't you care anything about making an informed choice?
You mean O can't walk on water?! Oh no
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so you think the doctor is going to let me walk out and not pay?
Even if I cannot go in the room with my daughter, they are still going to expect me to pay for the visit!
I would not walk across the street to see either one of them. nm
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OMG...I just saw him walk on water!!...nm
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Can't walk and chew gum?
NM
Walking the walk
So do you condemn the people who have blown up abortion clinics and killed the OB/GYN physicians who perform abortions?
NEWS FLASH - Michelle wears flat shoes a lot!!
What in the world can we read into this?
I can walk and chew gum at the same time, but
thanks for your sage advice and inspirational wisdom. I keep up with it all but prefer to at least wait for the swearing in and the first 100 days before even beginning to draw any conclusions or making any sort of judgments.
ITMT, just as the GOP will be watching O like a hawk and calling him out on his every move, the dems will continue to do the same with the GOP contenders. The prospect of EVER having Palin be remotely associated with a position of power in the lower 48 is what will propel her opponents to take a page out of W's book and wage our preemptive strikes whenever and whereever they can. You are dreaming to think that nobody cares about this. If they didn't, the posts would not appear, the media would not be covering it and we would not be having this conversation. FYI, I'm not the one who is scouring the internet about SP, but I am entitled to weigh in when the opportunity presents itself.
Nothing funny about staying on message and following a thread. I respond plenty when the occasion arises about all the rest and for the record, I think Blago is a disgrace to the party and to our country and, if found guilty, should do hard time. You may chose to set your sites on Chicago politics, no problem. However, I do not find that nearly as compelling at the moment as the rising death toll in Gaza, the human suffering and humanitarian crisis and the truckload of lies that is coming out of the media day in and day out, so I scour the net for the other side of the story, since I have family and friends over there. Kindly refrain from trying to tell me what my priorities should be.
I would never tell you to walk lock-step
in MY footprints, that would be blasphemy.
No, we are telling you that Jesus wants you to walk in HIS footsteps. He knows that we will wander, He knows that we will sometimes lose sight of His footsteps, but if we trust Him He will guide us back.
I would say as long as you are willing to walk around clueless.
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I would say as long as you are willing to walk around clueless.
Oh, and by the by, I don't remember addressing this to whatever your name is.
He's a walk in the park at a Sunday picnic
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Workers walk off job rather than read McCain script.
Some three dozen workers at a telemarketing call center in Indiana walked off the job rather than read an incendiary McCain campaign script attacking Barack Obama, according to two workers at the center and one of their parents.
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/dozens_of_call_center_workers.php
you were speaking of yourself, right?
So patriotism is a mental illness. Well, it probably is to you, so that does make sense. Yes, mental illness is love of country, pride in the military and thanks for their sacrifices. You don't have any of that, so you are fine. No problem. Glad we cleared that up.
Speaking only for myself....it is getting....
harder and harder to distinguish between liberals and leftists, as there are more and more posting calling themselves *liberals* but posting the way left stuff that only used to come from what I call leftists...the far left. In other words, the lines are becoming REAL blurry...also difficult to separate Democrats from leftists as the party slides farther and farther left....or at least it appears so, or the moderate and conservative Democrats have just gone silent in shock or apathy....I don't have the answer. You just don't hear from them anymore....at least I don't.
Was I speaking to you?
Can't resist the impulse to interrupt somebody else's conversation, I see. That's what Hannity does whenever he is losing his grip on his liberal guests. Transparent.
I was speaking of
reasoning voters. Please excuse me for not clarifying that.
speaking of ron .....
My hubs saw the "vote for Ron Paul" signs and asked me if it was a joke. I said what do you mean, and he said, "isn't that the tranny?"
Almost wrecked the car laughing so hard. Had to explain to DH that the tranny is Rue Paul. OMG LMAO!!!!
Speaking for myself,
there are not many born conservatives. I think conservatism is something that ''grows on you,'' or something that you grow into. I was a teenager in the sixties, with many of the attitudes that implies. As I aged and became more responsible and and started to ''get it,'' got a real job and wanted promotions, began earning money and wanting to hold onto it, bought a house and cared about what happened to my neighborhood, etc., I became more conservative. I dont think I am the only one to become more conservative as I've aged. I suspect celebrities are the same. You can only be a free spirit so long. As the Nationwide commercials say: Life comes at you fast.
Speaking of credibility...
You promised to grace us with your absence before, yet your posts are multiplying like bunnies all over this board. So much for YOUR credibility.
It was obvious you were speaking for
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Your illness speaking for you again?
My take on your mental illness has nothing whatever to do with your political persuasion. But you have illustrated that you are too ill to understand that. You are annoying and I will not pay any more attention to your childish and sick comments.
It's actually a woman speaking. sm
This is very significant because this was on Al-Jazeera TV and what she says is pretty chilling. I clicked on it and it worked for me. I am sure you can find it somewhere else on the internet. Just for the record, I am not so sure he is president material myself. I dont doubt his leadership in the war on terror, but I am disappointed in other things.
I was speaking to Democrat, actually. sm
Since the story was copied and pasted here, I would like the specific source. I am sure Democrat understands.
I assume you are speaking of me.
First of all, for your information since you obviously cannot or will not read, I despise Bush. Your intolerance tells the world (these boards are read by the world, after all) that the liberal left in the United States has become the party of intolerance, anti-Israel, anti-American. You don't appreciate the freedoms you have and you live a world coloured by hopelessness and despair. I really pity you. Since I don't vote in the United States, I am neither left nor right. But of course, it's easier to label and name call, as you seem so very good at. The realisation may hit one day that you have a very narrow view of the world out there.
Plainly speaking.....
what difference does it make? But in an attempt to answer a loaded question, I thought these boards lent themselves more to ideologies than to politics. These boards are here even when elections are not. There is no "liberal party" and no "conservative party" that I am aware of. Do you only "Think Liberal" about politics? Do you build your life around politics? I thought liberalism (and conservatism for that matter) transcended politics. Pardon me if I gave too much credit.
Speaking of values
Golly how many times are you going to bring this up about Clinton like it is truly important in the problems our world faces? It's like you are completely nutso about this, over and over and over and over and over and over and over......wow!
I think it is terrifying and heart-wrenchingly sad that with the genocide, starvation, astounding poverty globally PLUS this war we have created with how many hundreds of thousands of civilians killed including babies, pregnant women, children plus the US dead and countless with TBI and amputations....that the thing that you totally obsess over is Clinton and his sex and his lie to the court over something that should never have gone to court in the first place. JFK would have been in deep you-know-what had he ever been brought to task for his philandering....and he probably would have covered things up, too.
How pathetic that this nation is more interested in sex scandals than the multitude of catastrophic problems facing our population on this planet. It shows how shallow and value-less we can be.......impeaching someone over sex.....how about impeaching someone over the death of 1/2 a million people for dubious reasons and political gain.....
Hey - just asking, Speaking from experience.
That's why I work at home.
Well then, speaking of unsupervised
If you're daughter is busy continuing her education with a toddler, and we know how much hard undivided work has to go into a master's, then your grandchild must be really unsupervised and no telling how she might turn out. And then, to have put so much time and effort into that degree, of course she would want to go for a really good job, demanding, time consuming, taking a lot of time away from her child. Would you dare tell your daughter your thoughts on that subject? Probably not!!!
Comparitively speaking........... sm
considering the UAW has been offered the same as workers in foreign companies, we would have to assume that the cut we would receive would bring us down to what the MTs in India are making. Are you ready to work for a nickle a line?
I'm not taking up for the UAW because I believe their skills needed for doing their jobs are no less than the skills needed to do our jobs. People's safety ride on our ability to do our jobs properly as well as auto workers. Just playing devil's advocate for a while.
speaking of powerless
Obama gets voted in and Dems run the House, Senate, and WH. Use your imagination to see how far left this country goes.
If people want to live in socialism, leave the USA as it was established (capitalism). Go to France, etc. since it's such a great way to live.
Speaking from experience?
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Speaking futurewise here
I am speaking in the future here - - what artificial insemination - - there wouldn't be any.
I believe she is speaking in tongues! (nm)
:)
historically speaking
when the worker keeps less than 50% of his/her pay, it brings revolution. It is what this country was founded on. Under Obama's plans the average worker will get to keep .38 cents on the dollar. You will work 8-9 months of the year and not get one cent for it. Wow, that sure doesn't sound too good for the middle class to me, but under Obama's plan we should all be working for the "common good." Sound familiar to anyone? But personally, I see an even bigger issue here. Money is not the only riches we have. We Americans are rich in freedoms, and too many people are taking them for granted. People in this country are lining up to give away their freedoms to a charismatic new leader who promises "change." Things will change all right, but be careful what you wish for because you just might get it and it might not be what you expected.
Subconscious speaking out perhaps????
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You are speaking in terms of only 1 ...
Calm down and have another drink of your Obama Kool-Aid and watch the other 2, maybe you will catch it.
We would all be speaking Urdu by now.
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