Some remarks on your remarks --
Posted By: Amanda on 2009-06-22
In Reply to: Hmmmm. - sm
I am not here to argue, but just to give my opinion. I basically am like gourdpainter, my vote was more against McCain/Palin (mostly just Palin) than for Obama.
There are some things you addressed that I dont agree with that Obama has done, but there are things he has done that I do agree with.
The deal with the cigarettes - I wholeheartedly agree with this. It does not make tobacco or nicotine illegal, it only gives oversight into what they can say in their advertising, their packaging, and the way they can target young people. As a person who has had many family members die of tobacco-related diseases, I say anything to keep young people from starting and getting hooked is a plus.
Murdering late term babies - I do not think that Obama is advocating murdering babies. I think he is just pro-choice, as am I. I personally would never have an abortion, and I would be devastated if I found out my child did, but I believe that a woman should have the right to choose that herself.
The lobbyists - yes, I believe he backtracked on that, but I also believe that it is probably pretty hard to find someone in Washington who is not connected in some way and he did not realize how hard it would be at the time.
Now, for Michelle - I do not see where she did anything illegal in her job and if the hospital felt she was worth over 300,000 a year, then it was not illegal for her to get that pay. I do not think it was wrong for them to try to find ways to get patients out of the emergency rooms for nonemergency treatments either. They said that a lot of times people were sitting there waiting 24 hours or more to be treated for a sore throat - what was wrong with offering them a ride to another clinic or hospital, especially since many times they said there were clinics closer to the person's home than where they were at.
As for the part of misusing government funds, I have not read that, but will look it up later as I have time.
I will not go so far as GP and say I am ready to eat crow yet, because I feel like Obama has done a relatively good job - I just feel like there are things he could do better and things I am still waiting on him to do that he promised... and if he doesn't, my next vote will definitely be against him.
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Remarks we can all do without
I pity you.
Nice cut and paste job.
You are not witty.
These are not your own words.
I feel really sorry for you.
I will pray for you.
You are so funny - NOT.
You are a (republican/democrat) clone.
You take your talking points right from the (democrat/republican) party play book.
You're a dope because you watch Fox.
You're a jerk because you watch MSNBC.
Beck and Limbaugh are gods.
Olbermann and Matthews are gods.
Yeah, well BUSH....Yeah, well CLINTON [these guys are not president anymore.]
Lowery's remarks
I was brought up during the times when blacks were told to sit in the back of buses, when we had sit-ins at the counters at 5&10 cent stores downtown where I lived, where the water fountains were marked with white and colored, bathrooms the same, when I personally saw on television blacks being attacked by dogs, black kids not allowed to go to school with whites- I have been there. I am white, I do have ancestors who were slave owners and think nothing of his speech and yes, whites should embrace what is right. You are true about racism being on both sides, absolutely true but as an older white lady and born and raised in the south, I think his comments were straight on. Why get so offensive when a remark about whites made? I remember my father calling black folks "coloreds" and I would always ask, well what color are they?
I certainly don't defend the remarks, but they were taken out of context
Obviously, the example Bennett used of aborting every black child was a very poorly thought out example, but his remarks were also taken grossly out of context by the mainstream media. He went on say it would be a morally reprehensible thing to do. He was commenting on the idiots that said that crime or poverty was down since the legalizing of abortion. He thinks abortion of any kind is wrong...he was turning their logic around on them. He certainly does not think that every black baby should be aborted. GRANTED, there are radical right wingers (the KKK, aryan nation etc.) would think this was a great idea, but they are radical and not the mainstream as Ms. Libby FALSELY stated...
Im thinking those outrageous remarks
of pat Robertson about Sharon's stroke might just put a kink in this deal..
Everybody makes stupid remarks
If your an Obama "fan" you are going to defend Obama and say McCain was wrong, and if your a McCain "fan" your going to defend what McCain says and say Obama was wrong. Clearly McCain singing what he wants to do to Iran to the tune of a Beach Boys song was clearly way out of line and the way he covered it up was saying it was a joke. which everyone knows was not a joke. I think the latest two statements (well one of them has not been made recently but the republicans keep bringing it up like she just said it yesterday). Michelle Obama's statement about being proud of her country for the first time. We ALL knew what she meant and anyone who didn't is not being truthful. Everyone knew exactly what she meant. I am a veteran. I was in the Army serving under Reagan. I couldn't have been any more proud of my country back then and wanted to give my time to serve and make a difference. I loved my country. What's happened to it since I am not at all proud of. Politicians are crooked, self-serving, lyers (could think of lots of other things to say about them but I will stop there). With the leaders we have had since Reagan (every one of them) makes me ashamed. To see the greed of corporate american, people like Ken Lay, people like the guy who threw his wife a 40th birthday party that cost $2.1 million (he took the funds out of his company never paying for anything himself), how about the guy who spent $6,000 for a shower curtain for his apartment in Manhattan and took the funds from his business to pay for it. Those are only a fraction of the most "insane" things of the corrupt business americans (insane is the only word I can think of). John Edwards words are true - there are two American's and the rich and greedy sure don't want to live like the rest of us do. Sure its nice they have all the money they can do whatever they want with it, but where do you think they are getting their money from.
On the other hand the two America's I think about are the one's who want to live together as one nation, and the other who to this day are still bigots. Who can't see beyond the color of someone's skin. I am truly ashamed to be an American when we have people like that still living in this country. People who believe that politics and our president should only be white. Then again you have the religious side to America and that's where I am ashamed to be an American there too. Too many wars are being fought over religion in other countries and we have the same thing here. Pure hatred for others who are not in "their club". So I (and 99% of other americans) knew exactly what Michelle Obama was talking about and we agreed. Even Laura Bush came out and in an interview said she knew what Michelle Obama meant. But the republicans liked to turn it around and make it something it was not.
On the other hand what John McCain said about the cigarette incident was clearly a joke. Everyone knows that cigarettes can kill you. I thought it was funny (and I used to smoke and my family members still smoke), but there you go with the democrats being no better than the republicans, pulling at any straws to try and make something out of nothing.
So I just say everyone makes stupid remarks now and then. You can't say one side is better than the other. People have to get over it and move on. Man I can't wait for the election to be over.
Shopping and wardrobe remarks
Pleeease... what do you think all these first ladies do and have done for years? You think they have been buying all those fancy gowns, etc.? I guarantee they have all been guilty of it.
These remarks from Iran and Russia may not
RE: Response to Obama's election by Iran: What I see here is an opening for dialog in the recognition that there is a capacity for improvement of ties, not exactly the "Death to America" sentiments expressed in the past, this despite Obama's statement directed at those who would tear the world down (we will defeat you). I also see several implied preconditions. After all, preconditions are a two-way street:
1. I would be curious to have Aghamohammadi expand on what he means by Bush style "confrontation" in other countries. He is the spokesperson for the National Security Council in Iran, has been involved with the EU, Britian, France and Germany as a nuclear arms negotiator and would be directly involved in any dialog with the US on the subject of nuclear arms nonproliferation. We hardly have a leg to stand in this arena with our current "do as I say, not as I do and never mind the nuclear stockpiles in Israel we financed" approach. My guess would be he is condemning military invasion and occupation, hardly a radical position for any sovereign nation to take. In his own capacity, he should understand the US has unfinished business in Afghanistan and possibly Pakistan, so it is impossible to know in the absence of dialog what alternatives to military invasion may be possible. It might be worth a look-see.
2. His implied request for the US to "concentrate on state matters" might be seen by some as a little progress, especially since, at the moment, we do not even have an embassy in Iran. This also implies a possible opening to US business interests there (which were abundant under the Shah), a staging ground for diplomacy and establishing an avenue for articulating US foreign policy within their borders.
3. Concentrating on removing the American people's concerns would imply a desire on his part to repair and improve Iran's image abroad.
A well thought out response to these implied preconditions would be a logical place for Obama to start when speculating on his own preconditions.
RE: Russia's recent behavior and rhetoric is worrisome on many levels to more than a few countries in the region. Cold war with Russia is in NOBODY'S interest, including Russia's I fail to see how turning our backs, isolating ourselves or ratcheting up bellicose rhetoric toward them would do anything except give them a green light to proceed. It's an ugly world out there and Obama will inevitably be taking either a direct or an indirect diplomatic role in addressing this issue. Russia has expressed that same expectation.
I agree with you and find humor in the remarks from Sudan. Anyway, wait and watch is all we can do at this point. It certainly beats the heck out of prognostications of failure or defeat.
inappropriate racial remarks
 I agree Terri - that remark was extremely unappropriate and does not belong here, and unfortunately such a remark can be attributed to ignorance and hatred - which DEFINITELY DOES NOT BELONG HERE.
Derogatory remarks about the Kennedy family.
Oh you mean like the fact that Joseph Kennedy thought Hitler was a great man. That fact? Or that he made much of his money bootlegging. That fact? Or maybe that Ted killed a young woman and was never prosecuted. That fact? Okay. I got it now. 
To add, the GDA remarks, in context, were about the potential effects of
America not living up to its ideals. Context is everything.
Somewhere I saw a link to a site that had the actual sermons. I did not agree with everything he said, but I did agree with some of it. I will have to find that link. I think it was on another MT board...
Outrageous remarks made by Clinton
The DNC should dismiss H Clinton IMMEDIATELY due to her offensive and despicable comments about why she is staying in the race (the assasination of Bobby Kennedy - in other words the same could happen to Barack and so she should stay in in case that happens). I think it is a disgrace for her to continue in the race at this point. There is no doubt in my mind (and others I have talked with) that she wants something dreadful to happen to Barack, but to blatently come out and mention the assination of Bobby Kennedy when referring to Barack Obama is the lowest of all time lows. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE should call for her removal from the race. This is why we CANNOT have her as VP. If so Barack would have to constantly be looking over her shoulder. If nobody believes that they need to read the history of the Clintons and what they have done to people in the past. It's fact and people need to wake up! This is not some "right-winged" thing against her - it happened and you can read about it.
Then she tries to cover up her shameful statements with lies. The media is treating her too kindly by saying they are sure she didn't mean that she believes something would happen to him. I just want to scream - Don't you believe it. Look at the past! Yet once again another reason I'm not voting for her.
And what part of NO doesn't the Hillary supporters understand that she is NOT going to be VP on his ticket. NO NO NO NO NO!!!!! If, and I doubt that would happen, but if she was to be on the ticket I would not vote for him. I will write in Ron Paul.
She goes on and on about all the people she has that will vote for McCain and not Obama if she doesn't get on the ticket - yeah, well there are an equal number that if she is on the ticket will absolutely not vote for her and will either go for McCain or just not vote. I was watching the exit polls after the election on Tuesday and they said that its about a 50/50 split with Hillary supporters and Barack supporters saying they will not vote for the other.
There's no way in the world I want that XXXXX anywhere near the white house. I am just outraged that she made such a dispicable, appalling, shameful and vile statement. And I don't even want to hear any Hillary lovers try and defend this. If there is a meaning of evil she fits the description to a T. This just confirms she is XXXXX in my books.
Funny how it was okay when Hillary made remarks
You all laughed then. Yeah, real cute! We're asking for a link. Looks like all you want is for more posters to jump on the bandwagon and bash Palin.
Stick to issues, not personal feelings. Talk about Obama's issues (plans/programs) & McCain's issues (plans/programs). Not Palin.
Any kind of inflammatory insinuating remarks
for the sole purpose of misleading uneducated voters, in my eyes, is a deliberate act of desperation by a group that has absolutely no integrity at all. Someone who is so vile as to suggest that Obama would endanger our troops if he is elected is less than human. Barack Obama wants nothing more than to get our poor troops out of an endless, senseless situation. If I wasn't so disgusted by that kind of mindless drivel that many of you are so willing to bow down to, I could almost feel sorry for you.
I've only seen racist remarks from "anybody would have"
What on earth are you talkinga about? Only this one person made a racist comment. I've been reading this board for 2 days. The comment was made by "anybody would have" and called HARLEM DUMBELLS responsible for Obama's win.
sound bite from barbara bush's remarks
Here is the sound bite from Barbara Bush (it actually was on The Drudge Report!)
Here's the clip. Let them try and spin it however they want. Her callous words cannot be denied. These are heartless group of elitists:
http://www.drudgereport.com/bb.mp3
Read on down. Some posters below are defending Bennett's remarks...sm
so while you may feel they are wrong, which I think the white house was right to condemn them. BENNETT having served in two high positions, Secretary of education and over drugs under Bush Sr with these views, is worrisome.
I think his true *colors* are shining through.
If anyone is dividing America it is Bennett by his remarks and Bush
No, Im not trying to defend the democratic party or help with dividing this country. Bennetts remarks have nothing to do with political parties, they have to do with insensitive hurtful hateful remarks made by him..I divide the black white community? I beg your pardon, I have always associated with minorities in America. I have lived side by side with them, dated them, married one of them and I will continue to care for the minorities..the white republican capitalists do not need my support nor do they deserve my support..
Teacher Probed Over Bush Remarks (see article)
I'm glad we didn't have any whiners in our political science class in high school. Our teacher was one that provoked thought, and this was during Clinton's presidency. I think that's the whole point as unless you are a Bush loyalist who thinks any comment not praising him is against the law. 
Teacher Probed Over Bush Remarks
AURORA, Colo., March 3, 2006
 Overland High School students demonstrate March 2, 2006, in Aurora, Colo., to protest the school district's decision to put geography teacher Jay Bennish on administrative leave. (AP Photo/Aurora Daily Sun)
A student recorded about 20 minutes of Bennish's class during a Feb. 1st discussion about President Bush's State of the Union speech and gave the recording to his father, who complained to the principal.
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(CBS/AP) About 150 students at a suburban Denver high school walked out of class to protest a decision to put a teacher on administrative leave while the school investigates remarks he allegedly made in class about President Bush, including a comment that some people compare Mr. Bush to Adolf Hitler.
The protest came Thursday as administrators began investigating whether Overland High School teacher Jay Bennish violated a policy requiring balancing viewpoints in the classroom, Cherry Creek School District spokeswoman Tustin Amole said.
It was peaceful. The students yelled, but there was no fighting, Amole said. Most of them did return to class.
The suspension, says Amole, is a paid leave and is not a punitive situation... It just gives us the opportunity to talk to him, to talk to students.
Overland High student Stacy Caruso says Bennish hasn't done anything wrong. In the classroom, says Caruso, everyone has their right to speak their opinion and he's not forcing any opinions on anyone.
Another student, Derek Belloni, tells CBS News Station KCNC-TV reporter Rick Sallinger that Bennish is out of line.
He's supposed to be teaching geography, says Belloni, and yet he's pushing a liberal agenda trying to convert kids to his side of the spectrum.
A telephone number listed for Bennish, who has been teaching social studies and American history at Overland since 2000, had been disconnected.
Sophomore Sean Allen recorded about 20 minutes of Bennish's class during a Feb. 1 discussion about President Bush's State of the Union speech and gave the recording to his father, who complained to the principal, Amole said.
After listening to the tape, it's evident the comments in the class were inappropriate. There were not adequate opportunities for opposing points of view, she said.
The student who made the tape agrees.
I've been his class four weeks, says Allen, and I've never heard another side.
Deborah Fallin, spokeswoman for the Colorado Education Association, which represents about 37,000 union teachers, said it will not represent Bennish because he is not a member.
He's terribly upset about the fact that he can't teach right now, says David Lane, an attorney who is now representing Bennish. He's so upset and I am now his lawyer and we will be going to federal court.
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Y'know....all these derisive remarks about McCain's service...
and his years in a POW camp...with all due respect, if enduring unspeakable torture for 5 years for refusing to make propaganda tapes for the enemy, turning down a release offered to him because his father was a high ranking military officer because there were men there who had been there longer than he had and suffering even more because he turned it down...the unimaginable suffering, the honor, integrity and love for his country he showed...separated from loved ones, family, friends and country for 5 long years...to be boiled down to a political phrase "lying in a POW camp for 5 years does not make you qualified to run a country." I say it does, in spades. THAT is character. THAT is integrity. THAT is patriotism.
I agree, I was responding to some of the ugly remarks made below nm
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I like Stephen Colbert's attitude. He said concerning the remarks about colors: "That was th
Dr. Seuss book ever!" We take ourselves so seriously. Someone is always going to be offended.
And I think you have to read all of my posts, I am responding to arrogant inflammatory remarks, whic
Substantiation, no real substance, and yet these people are CHOOSING to start devisive threads with divisive remarks on this board, even making statements that historically are 100% inaccurate. Yes, I pray for unity, compassion, wisdom, etc., but the rabid Republicans on this board (and I do not mean all Rep., just a few loud ones), want to harshy judge and condemnn the new administration without giving things a chance, what would you call that? What about the "hit and run" posts by right wingers who continue to stir the pot with incorrect, slanted, and inflammatory remarks here? Fair is fair, I try to back up each statement I make with historical facts, I try to see both points of view (wow, I have actually agreed with Republicans on certain subjects!), but this board is not about me, or you, it is about all of us trying to hash out all the many struggles this nation now has, and with restraint, intelligence, and care look at each problem and try to help fix it. America comes first. Period.
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