So, you don't care if we are in debt to the tune
Posted By: Backwards typist on 2009-03-21
In Reply to: Waste of time, postage, and tea! - Tipsy
of $9T over the next 10 years????? You really want your children, grandchildren and probably your great-grandchildren to pay for mistakes that did not have to take place in the first place?
You're not wasting tea, you're wasting the little tag on the tea bag. How hard is it to let the government know you are furious with their antics? I just don't agree it's a waste of time.
Some of us (not me yet) are in the less fortunate boat and not getting any help at all while those in power pocket our money. It's time to stop the nonsense and hold those accountable for their actions. It's time to let the government know we don't want to be told how to live anymore. Freedom is not free anymore. It costs a lot of money and our freedoms are slowly being whittled away one by one. I want to see my grandchildren enough those freedoms, not wind up being told how to live, what to eat, where and when to work, etc.
Whew! Sorry. Am venting. I'll get off my soapbox now.
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Singing a different tune.
I almost died when I saw that the ACLU was preparing a lawsuit on behalf of (among others) Christopher Hitchens. This is the guy who went from left-leaning, writing for The Nation to so far right he is not recognizable. I rarely listen to him anymore because, like so many of the radical right, he is so abrasive I find him difficult to stomach. This is a guy who hates the ACLU until he needs it because the ACLU will defend the constitutional rights of anyone and everyone, not just the people, groups, corporations that some find acceptable. As American citizens we all have the right to due process and legal representation no matter how heinous the crimes we have committed. The right goes nuts when the ACLU defends those they disdain but interestingly, Hitchens and Rush both have turned to the ACLU for help when personally in need. Where are their right-wing lawyers?? Why do they need the ACLU to help them?? Why indeed.
Also, on another note, I am again disgusted that this administration who has not one person amongst them who has ever seen combat in any war/conflict is swiftboating AGAIN, this time John Murtha, a REPUBLICAN. First we had Max Cleland who was decried as unpatriotic. Then Al Gore's service did not count because he was only a journalist (journalists are in harm's way and he was serving in Viet Nam). Then there was John Kerry who actually fought, led and had medals to prove it ...what to do??? Why, question the authenticity of the medals of course. And now, John Murtha, a lifelong military guy, Republican, with medals galore and now his medals are being questioned. I don't know why the military people who frequent these boards are not outraged by this. I understand that the first 3 mentioned were Democrats but Murtha...you guys are okay with this??? You could fill a library with what this administration does not know about military strategies, plans, actual experience and yet they are so arrogant as to swiftboat one of their own who has been behind them 100% up to this point. This is beyond appalling.
You won't be singing that tune when
And you "a self-proclaimed" middle class become the poor. I think to you need to check yourself. You are totally against the poor, you're sick! You have no sympathy or empathy? Do you have a silver spoon on your mouth? I guess you've been brainwashed to believe that McCain at 70+ is really going to make a difference? The American dream - yeah right! The rich get richer while the poor get poorer! Are you actually an MT? Get real! If you believe everything the media says, you are a sad sort. Yes, this economy needs help and that doesn't mean more taxes on our healthcare. Are you awake?
Wow! Now I will have that tune in my head all day.
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You're changing your tune
You make comments you want to make with no regards to anyone feelings and you call it being funny but someone else makes a comment you don't like and you call it racist and start yelling for the moderator. Maybe they thought their comment was funny.
Class envy at its best. Bet you would sing a different tune...
if you were one of those rich people. You do realize Obama is rich....right? Ten thousand dollars for kid's camp? 1.2 million house? Just so you know...he's one of those fine benevolent rich people. There are rich Democrats...lol.
Check out this video to a Depeche Mode tune. sm
John the Revelator (director's remake)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB1psXTjS4
Bush starts changing his tune/rhetoric.....
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061112/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq
Every time I tune into Faux News I hear
"there's nothing wrong with your TV set. Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are now controlling the transmission." 
Or you could tune in MSNBC for the latest Obama leg tingle....
see the man crush first hand.
LOL. Now THERE is some unbiased journalism.
Who put us in debt?
Who borrowed all that money from China? 42% of the bill is Republican proposed tax cuts. The last stimulus proved that tax cuts don't work (Under George's watch- helped his base, though). The money is either saved or used to pay off debt, neither of which help the economy. Maybe you ought to look over your shoulder and see where the real blame lies. Obama is doing the best he can and all you racists can do is trounce him at every turn. And don't even bother bleating that you're not racist as I see no other reason why you would hug the last administration so fiercely and hate Obama with so much venom. Obama hasn't been able to do ANYTHING yet. Both sides of the aisle wrote that stimulus package - so figure it out.
debt you can believe in
I can only hope our economists can somehow separate Obama's debt, which will kill us all in our sleep, from Bush's debt, which made us all rich and strong ("Reagan proved deficits don't matter," as VP Richard Cheney famously said--haha, I can't use his usual first name in the post; how stupid is that?).
No, wait. What I actually hope is that the difference between governing and politics keeps becoming more and more visible, so that people are forced to think outside their usual assumptions about what their political party stands for.
No. Remembering the debt we owe all of those
Camera angles, selective footage, media spin do not paint a true full picture. When the emphasis is put on the guys you describe and the rest of the event is never broadcast, it is not be accident. They strive to create the images and impressions which you now express. What is more pertinent here is the anger you see there, in these posts, between the parties and all over our country after 8 years under the regime. This is not blame. It is statement of fact. It's not pretty, granted. But to really undestand what you are looking at takes a little more than a sound byte or a drive-by post.
Considering our national debt is now......... sm
sitting at, what, $3 trillion dollars, I doubt government oversight would be of much benefit to the auto industry. In fact, I kind of feel like the government really has the audacity to ask a private industry to prove a solvent plan when the government can't even balance their own books. Either way, the auto industry is going under. It's just a matter of whether it is now or 6 months from now.
True. We are in debt already. Let's just
and now our country will go bankrupt. Depression, here we come.
True. We are in debt already. Let's just
and then our country will go bankrupt. Depression, here we come. Although some cities are already feeling depression. Cannot wait for our treasury guy who does not know how to do TurboTax is going to say how much more debt (money) we will need coming this week. I betcha the stocks will fall between 300-400.
Wow. New jobs coming. Cannot wait. Maybe a 5',2" and 110 pound woman can apply working on building bridges, paving roads, building a train track from CA to NV. Then the jobs will be finished for me and then what?
She ran our state into debt.
SHE is an extremist.
If you are talking about the war debt, your congress did...
when they voted to go to Iraq. Would not have passed without Dems' support as well.
Our country was not in debt with Clinton but it was sm
when bill got in office and saw the mess bush senior made, it had to be dealt with.... just as this mess GW made will take years to clean up.... but Clinton did get us in the black. Barack is going to use that same tax formula and that is why he said you will pay no more than what you paid in taxes under Clinton. That goes for the rich too.
HC's campaign debt would suggest that
dontchathink?
This plan is not going to affect this debt
growth rate at all, it will continue to grow on a daily basis. This stimulus package will just be added to the total debt. And, actually we do NOT KNOW THAT THIS MONEY WILL BENEFIT people. At this point, we can only pray that it will, we have no other choice. Time will tell.
Will never last. Obama is putting us in debt we may
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Bush sunk himself and our country......DEBT
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Democratic = surplus - Republican = debt
Based on Congressional accounting rules, at the end of his presidency Clinton reported a surplus of $559 billion.
After 8 years of Bush...As of September 2008, the total U.S. federal debt was approximately $9.7 trillion.
Has anyone watched "Money as Debt" video?
It's a 47 minute animated video you can find on line (I believe it's on You Tube as well as other places.) I watched most of it once and it's just unbelievable what the banks have been doing for YEARS and it explains a lot of why (at least around where I live) there are new banks with names I've never heard of popping up on every corner and in every new strip mall.
It also goes a long way in explaining how these banks are in such trouble and how they're pulling everyone down with them.
Obama will make sure our children pay for this debt
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who could possibly care? War, financial ruin, health care needs.
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Any ideas on how paying down too much debt could be a terrorist threat?nm
And what about the debt he inheriteed from George W. Bush, take off the blinders......sm
and they say WE have been drinking Kool-Aid? WE had a president who could hardly color inside the lines, was an inarticulate moron, catered to special interests, led us into an unjustfied war with Iraq (HELLO, IT WAS THE TALIBAN/OSAMA IN AFGHANISTAN ON 9/11), we lost all respect around the globe, and he took a balanced budget from President Clinton and got us into trillions of dollars worth of debt, all the while allowing all bhe banking deregulation, feeding the GREED machine in this country. The past administration was a TRAGEDY perpetrated on the American people, so you folks can keep drinking your Republican Red Kool-Aid, keep prematurely judging this president as you lick your lips praying for his failure, which by the way means RUIN for you, me, and the rest of the nation. The man is willing to TRY, to compromise, and he has only been in office barely three weeks. All the harshness against Obama is misdirected anger and pique that the Republicans were ousted. IMHO. Saying stuff over and over DOES NOT MAKE IT SO!!!
Yeah, lets spend billions, go into more debt while
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What a snooty post, no,we have PAID OFF all debt, own our home,,,,sm
outright, thank you, own both our cars, but when you are caring for three kids, taking care of their needs, paying about $300.00 a week on food, I have several serious illnesses with lots of meds, we have high costs here in the North East, AND we are putting money into 401K and retirement, sometimes we DO have to wait a day or two to buy something, it is called A BUDGET, it is called self-restraint in spending, and you, my friend, need some serious counseling in compassion, communication, ....do you even have friends with that kind of attitude??? what is your problem exactly?
Dont talk to me about Debt. Dems wanted loans for
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Well, I care. I also care about the constitution.nm
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I don't really care. sm
It just seems it has been carried on long enough. I would rather just debate. It sounds more like a grudge, but as I said, just my 2 cents.
I don't really care!!! SM
All of you all need to stay over here and try and find some topics to discuss like is happening tonight.
Do you think I care what you think of me? sm
Get over yourself. Grow up. Learn how to behave on an adult chat board. Stop lying. You are such a liar. I mean, lying all over the place. It's really terrible. You need help.
How does it feel?
I don't care about that. sm
That is insignificant to what is going on in the world right now.
I don't care either
Just pointing out what a fool you are making of yourself in talking about things you have absolutely no clue about, but if it's a fool you want to be so be it. At least you're a good source of laughs for those of us living in reality.
Liberal church--that's an oxymoron isn't it?
Man, that was very Coulter of me.
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why do you even care?
Would you prefer to punish the child she is carrying by offering no prenatal care? Would you sleep better if that woman went back to Mexico where her baby will receive no care at all? Did you ever stop to think that someone in your family was once an immigrant? Illegals don't pay taxes? If they work, they have taxes taken out of of their check and that is free money to the government that they are not eligible to ever collect once they are old.
Republicans are going to want to keep the illegals here to benefit big business (cheap labor) and democrats are going to want to help them, so either way, nothing will be done.
Why do I care?
You know why I care? Because me along with my husband work our a**** off to make it. When I got accidentally pregnant at the age of 20 and had no ins. do you think Medicaid paid for me to have my baby? NO!! I didn't qualify because my husband made too much and believe me you don't have to make much to make TOO much. Well we worked our asses off and took on the responsibility for what had happened and paid for our baby. Nobody GAVE me nothing! And I am a citizen here. She does nothing but milks the system. And no taxes are not held out of her check where she works. I guess it is called contract labor. I don't know. She is ILLEGAL! Why hasn't she been shipped back to MEXICO? Our country is having to close hospitals because of people like HER!! That is why I care. Our country is going to h*** in a hurry. And it is people like you who say well what about prenatal care for the poor little illegal Mexican? If I hadn't had the money to pay for my prenatal care, guess what? I wouldn't have had any. It is not our country's responsibility to take care of every 3rd world person who comes over here for their handout. We have American citizens who can't even get benefits when truth be known some do need them. They can't get them but you let a d*** illegal Mexican stroll up in there and the world stops to kiss their a**. Hundreds of years ago someone in my family was an immigrant but they didn't sneak and scam to get what they had. They worked and did it the right way.
Cheap labor? What do you mean cheap labor?? These illegals come over here and they don't want our cheap jobs, they want the good ones Americans need. Makes my blood boil!
I should care what you think?
Not in the slightest. I don't care that you think I'm ignorant and I don't care if you don't like my posts.
Then why do you think any of us care what
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I don't care what you think....sm
But some intelligent posters (on both sides) do care what the military on the ground, over in Iraq and Afgahanistan, how they truly think and feel.
Not just what the media feeds you.
I care what the troops on the ground, themselves, think and feel.
And let me say again...No....I don't care what you think, as obviously you don't think much at all. All you do is attack.
Kaydie was right. All that a couple of you of you dems on this do is attack, attack, attack....what children you are.
still don't care
just because she is on the committee of anything, doesn't make her opinion any better than mine.
I care very much for how this came to be. sm
To be able to fix this, we need to understand where it started, who started it, who continued it, who tried to fix it but were stopped (I think it was 12 times Bush tried to pass legislation to help, and dems shot him down each time...but no, we don't hear about that, do we), it's important which candidates now had a hand in it, which ones still do, which ones are blaming the wrong people.
It goes on and on.
Give me Republican names that contributed to this, and I will condemn them just as much. Give me Republican names of CEOs and fat cats on Wall Street who perpetuated this fraud, and I care if they did.
The truth is, there are a few Republicans that stood in the way, as well, but the dems far outweigh them, and when they had many, many changes to fix this before it occurred, they did nothing to help it.
And just today, the main players in this mess, Sen. Dodd et al., pontificate and blast everyone but themselves in a Senate haring, when they are the very ones, on the very committees and oversight, that did next to nothing, except line their own pockets.
That to me, is a disgrace, and disgusting.
Yes, I care very, very much about who did this, and how it happened. It matters.
And the only thing that will be remembered, is that it happened under Bush, and he will be blamed for all of it.
The dems will be given a free pass, yet again.
And we care what you think?
I care what everybody thinks, that's how I learn. Unfortunately, I think your thinking is wrong, nothing wrong with disagreeing. Obama needs to be honest about his past, his entire past, and everything he has had his hands in. Something is not right with him.
whatever you say. i could care less what you think.
I know what I know, and that's good enough for me. I do get tired of the race card being dropped constantly. I'm Italian, & my kin were treated horribly for many years. I never heard them crying "racism."
My closest girlfriend is a Jew, and she says Obama is anti-semetic. I believe it, too. But she doesn't go around crying in her milk. It is what it is. Check out frontpagemag.com. David Horowitz has been treated horribly, esp. since he went from being D to R.
Get over it, already.
Sam, try as you may, they don't care.
I have posted almost ver batim what you just posted and they never have anything to say back. They just start going on about Palin this and Palin that or some ridiculous stuff they just heard on their TV.
They just don't get that Obama will run what businesses we have overseas, which is where he really wants them. That way he will have government run businesses and can take over everything for us, the poor little citizens. They don't get that the average businesses will go under, including the very ones who employ their family members because they will not be able to afford all the MANDATES and policies Obama will stuff down their throat. They will lay off people by the thousands and the unemployment rate will soar, but they just don't get it.
They hear "free money" and they actually believe all that money will come from BIG businesses, those RICH HORRIBLE BUSINESSES that employ everyone. Those businesses will go overseas to where they don't pay high taxes or the ones that do stay will just pass on their higher taxes to us, who in essence will be paying the taxes for them.
They just don't get it!
I don't really care
if he is from Mars, he is wrong for this country wherever he is from
I really don't care how many or how much -
I do not want to spend my money helping somebody else sit on their butt, while I am sitting on mine trying my darndest to make a living and barely getting by - I am tired of bailing out everybody because they did not make good decisions!
The only bad decision I made was to become a transcriptionist. While my job is going downhill, I am going to school to be able to do something else and not sitting on my butt for 2 or more years drawing a check for doing nothing - I am taking care of myself. Those auto workers can do the same darn thing!!!
I don't have enough money to keep giving to other people to get by - I need it myself!
I don't care if its before or after
Since its a little late in the game (he should have been impeached a long time ago) I don't care if he is impeached now or if he is arrested for war crimes after he leaves office. The boy needs to go to jail and pay for what he did. But you are right, there are more pressing issues on our plate.
Bill Clinton was impeached. He truly truly deserved to be impeached. He lied to the American people (forget the Lewinski issue - I could care less about her). He lied to us. Sat there in front of the camera and lied. And he lied to the congress. Lied under oath. How can you trust a leader or commander in chief who lies?
As for the dems not holding grudges. You are lumping them all into one category. Some don't hold grudges and others do. Just like conservatives. Some hold grudges and some don't. It's not right to praise one group and say they are all angels while people demonize everyone on the other side (both sides do this).
I think if in the future children are asked to write a paper listing all the reasons Bush qualified for impeachment, they better start at the beginning of the term because its going to take the whole term to finish the paper. However, hopefully their paper will be titled "Why Bush should have been impeached but jailed instead after leaving office".
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