So much for the American dream.
Posted By: Chele on 2008-10-14
In Reply to: So basically the poorer I stay - sbMT
The more you work, the more they take away. It will be the middle class people to suffer from this. The rich will survive. The low-income and no income people will be the ones to benefit from this. This just encourages people to not work hard. The more money you make by working hard.....you will be penalized and that hard earned money of yours will be given to someone who doesn't work. This will be a huge snow ball that will eventually crush us entirely as more and more people work less and then the middle class and the rich will have even more people to support. Like I've said before.....it sickens me.
What ever happened to accountability and self-reliance? What ever happened to hard working Americans who were too proud to receive a hand out. Now it seems that is all I hear....people screaming about not getting handouts and playing the victim. Give me give me give me. Instead of encouraging them to get a good education and work hard.....we are enabling them to remain "victims" while we foot the bill.
Why should hard working Americans suffer? Shouldn't they be rewarded for their hard work instead of penalized? I guess that doesn't matter to Obamanation as he is rich and this won't hurt him....so why should he care. As long as he is taking care of his low-income homies...I guess it is all good, huh?
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This is the story of one American's dream...sm
about to be shattered by Obama's spread the wealth plan, should he be elected.
That's all there is to this story.
This everyday guy, Joe American, has aspirations to better himself, much the same way most of us do.
I think most Americans completely understand his story. It strikes a chord with us, all aspects of it.
That even includes all the supposedly negative stuff that was dug up today about him, which does not detract one iota from what this story is really about.
that's called the American Dream -
don't we all want that? Is that not what everybody is fussing about - that we should all have the right to make as much money as we want to and keep as much money as we want to?
His life has been interesting, his story has been bought, so of course he is making the money.
Do you fuss about Oprah, Dr. Phil, Ellen... the list goes on and on - they don't share their wealth and I do not see you complaining about them.
My American Dream went down the toilet
last year when my retirement account was cut in half, and there has not been much work lately for DH or I, so there's no way to offset the loss and no way to put money back into it.
I don't gripe about anyone making money, but...and this is a large but....I believe this was just another piece of campaign propaganda. After all, it came out while he was running for president. What better timing?
Do you think if he wrote the book before running for prez, it would have sold as well?
Did you hear how much he gave to charities? I haven't. If you have a source of that info, please enlighten me.
Hey, that's the American dream - I'm all for sitting on my butt and making $$$
Hurrah!!
I was brought up Buy American made products, keep American jobs.
Always bought American made cars and bought products from companies where my family was employed. Now look at America? We are definitely connected all around the world.
My feeling? Obama states he wants to start from the poor upward. Not the other way around like it has been for quite awhile. That to me does not necessarily mean just in America, but around the world by taking the poorest countries and working upward so America's pay wages and everything else will be so low and comparable to the poorest countries. After all, we are now connected together.
Cannot wait to see what will happen with the Swine flu this fall with the second wave and what it will do to the economy of all the countries combined at once.
Any child born to American parents is an American -
I am sorry, but I respectfully disagree with you - any child born to American parents is an American even if they are born overseas. The birth has to be registered with the United States, but they are still an American even if they are born in the foreign hospital.
I have 2 cousins who were born in Japan and they have no problems at all being "American".
oh, dream on...
Silly, maybe. Burned out on all of it, you bet!
I, too, Have a Dream......
We have just lived through a commander-in-chief presidency whose oppressive power and overwhelming hubris would undoubtedly have left our first early presidents in shock, if not armed revolt. They would have seen George Bush's world - in which strength was the byword of power and weakness an anathema - as the scion of European autocracy. These were, after all, men wary of armies and military power, who had sacrificed the very idea of executive strength to a tripartite form of government that would, they hoped, have the advantages of resiliency and responsibility. They understood - and embraced - certain limits that Americans may only be waking up to now.
Of course, given these last years of a government gone dark and ominous, it's not surprising that we generally don't. Facing the imperial, never-apologize, don't-listen-to-a-word-you-say, Caesarian, unitary-executive, commander-in-chief years of disarray, we Americans have - despite some online liveliness - largely suffered a failure of the imagination.
Have we ever had a president who told more countries what they "must" do? - I'd like to hear our next president speaking more like one of us and less like the ruler of the universe, more like the president of these imperiled United States and less like the autocrat of the planet.
Of course, Americans, especially younger ones, have long been alienated from their government - aka "the bureaucracy" - and a national capital that projects the oppressive look of a Green Zone. That's where an eloquent black president, an improbable crosser of all sorts of boundaries, standing before us next Tuesday to express his -- and our - dreams and fears, offers an immediate ray of hope. In his very words that first day, he can potentially begin airing out the most secretive (and inefficient) government in national memory. He can remind us of our better selves and let the sun shine in.
If we want to have a government we care about, we had better start exercising those imaginative powers fast. After all, if you don't use it, you lose it. Voting isn't faintly enough. Supporting Barack Obama isn't faintly enough. Either we start acting like we, the people, can set a few agendas of our own, write a few speeches of our own, or we might as well forget it.
I think that would be a dream ticket
but I don't know if they could get along after all of the nasty things they said about each other. Or at least, what Bill has said about Obama
Dream on........zzzzzzzzzz nm.
Dream on, lady.
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Sorry, but that is just a dream. Obama is just
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One man's nightmare is another man's dream
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question about a dream/obama
I heard something about Obama saying he had a dream of some sorts that lead him to believe he would be a leader or something along those lines? Or is this just some gossip?
As Clinton said, the Obama dream is a
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It's the anniversary of MLK's "I've got a dream" speech....
....as I would imagine the DNC and Sen. Obama planned it this way.
I thought it was a very simple, well stated, congratulations, give by McCain. He was very sincere to me and meant every word.
You're living in a dream world
You think the thugs are targeting the poor neighborhoods where they assume there's nothing there to steal. No, they target those they think have something they feel "entitled" to. My neighbor up the street last February drove into his garage, got out of his car, and had a gun pointed to his head forcing him back into his car, where he was made drive to a local ATM. When he got out to go the ATM, he just sad the h@ll with it and starting running next door to a pharmacy. Why guns? Protection from what? Are you looney? Guns in a purse that the robber isn't betting on could mean his head blown off instead of yours.
The lady sitting in her living room a few weeks ago watching TV, when a couple of jackasses broke through her plate glass window and came after her with a gun. You think if I were in another part of the house, heard this, and could get my hands on a gun or a baseball bat, I would choose a baseball bat? I'd blown their freaking brains out.
What you gonna tell them? Wait a minute, please get close enough where I can get a good aim with this here baseball bat.
Violence is out of control in places it did not used to be. I have known several in our neighborhood whose homes have been broken into around Christmas time. They were just lucky not to be at home. And believe me, they have guns and would have been judge and jury real quick. It's their life or the the thieves.
It just hasn't happened to you. This isn't the same world I grew up in where we left our doors unlocked more times than not. I do live in a neighborhood where I would hope might be safer but that's exactly where all the low lifes come to...like I said they're not going to the poor neighborhoods. To steal what?
NO dream world here, Bush is one step better than Al Qaeda
He and Cheney are crooks. AL Qaeda are the bad guys but guess what, they aren't in Iraq? We were tricked into supporting a bogus self centered war for bush and cheney to make MONEY.
Democrats See Dream of ག Victory Taking Form ...see link
see link
So, you're not American?
I see the trap you're setting here...and this conversation is over.
Did you know that the American
Indian was ***bestowed*** citizenship in 1924. Until that time I guess he would be described as an illegal. Since so many Indians had died in WWI the government was publicly embarrassed and so made the indigenous people citizens of their own land.
I don't know why I put the moccasin article on the other board. I guess, being an optimist, I thought this was 1 thing we could agree on, but alas, tis not true. I might add that $21 is incredibly cheap. Handmade moccasins made the traditional way, sewn by hand with sinew and leather strips usually cost around $50 to 75$ for the most plain design. I hope some of you will do this. It would mean more than you know.
I'm with you there.....BUY AMERICAN!!
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Sure, that's the American way.
Having lost some $30,000 in the stock market, I'm not exactly thrilled with the change that brought that about. Wouldn't mind seeing some "change" there.
If you are an American
Then you should support the American president. If you do not support the American President for any reason at all, any reason at all, you are not patriotic, you do not stand for this country, you should not benefit from it, and you should leave. One America under God.
American....
I don't like Obama and that doesn't MAKE me anything one way or another, except this is not the man for the job IMO. I didn't trust him before and I certainly have absolutely no faith in him now after he has sunk this country to the tune of trillions, which my children and their children will be paying for dearly! Thanks for nothing, Obama!
I have strong feelings against both parties because they have forgotten what they were put there to do; it has turned into a free-for-all up there. They look out for their OWN interests....definitely not mine.
You are right. WE are the government and we are allowing this. Those sitting on their cushy little bums every day drawing huge paychecks think they are thing to rule us, the American people, like we need to be showed how to live, how to raise our children, how to think for Heaven sakes! I'm sick to death of it. Even seeing the posts on this board prove to me how complacent people have become and will turn a blind eye to anything.
My gut feelings told me this guy was not right to lead this country and I believe it more and more every day.
I still say Ron Paul was the only one with the right path and the only one who really showed true character and leadership for this country....not what was in it for him!!!
SHE is Un-American. We need to get rid of her.
Come on people in California, you voted for her. Please get her out ASAP.
She is coddling ILLEGAL immigrants while Americans are living in tents and lining up at soup kitchens.
She should be ostracized!!
What do you mean by REALLY AMERICAN?
Do you not understand that what you are saying here is blatant discimination?
Are YOU a REAL American?
If so, then you MUST BE AN INDIAN, one of those with the feathers on your heaad.
What are you talking about?
If you had to take the American citizenshiptest, you would flunk it!
Of course we all want the American
dream but what you fail to realize is that everything this administration is trying to do will crush the American dream. It is knocking the middle class down. Obama was already rich to begin with. It is the people who are in the middle bracket who are trying to reach that American dream and they can't now. The more money they make, the more government will take away and all these taxes that the government is talking about now.....it will hurt even you whether or not you continue to keep drinking the kool-aid or not. Wake up!!!!!
American Woman
American Woman, Dont leave, Im the one *they*, whomever (I frankly dont care..smile) tried to ban..Im the one they reported like back in grade school..oooohhhh..gonna tell the teacher..Im still here and NO ONE is gonna get rid of me or my opinions or beliefs unless they ban me and then I will move onto another political board..Dont leave, American Woman..I enjoy your posts and think you are an intelligent person who shows she cares through her posts..We need that here..heck if you leave, I probably will end up leaving, so will Lurker, Observer and all the rest and then what will become of this board..Please stay..Ya know what I do when it gets too much, I spend a half hour or so on Bill Mahers board (they are so friendly)..What you post about is the truth in America, dont deny others of reading the truth that you post..Please stay.
Hey, American Woman!!
Glad to read ya! Come back here, we all must maintain the liberal site, no matter what, ya know? I have been posting at Bill Maher's site, GCT is my *handle*. I usually go into the Current Events arena. I posted a hi to you on Bill Maher's site about one week ago. I didnt see your post, was focused on posts concerning crazy lady Barbara Bush mostly, LOL. Tell ya what, put a clothing pin on ya nose and come back here. I alternate between here and Bill Maher's site.
To American Woman
Dont ya know when I get off this board, I feel like I need a shower after dealing with the attack conservatives? It bugs the heck out of me at times..however, I enjoy reading what other democratic liberals are posting and knowing we are the future for America, the liberal people..There is no way the me-me, lock me behind a gated community, who cares about you, I got mine society will exist..It is not workable in an expanding world. So, as much as sometimes the conservatives, for some reason or another cannot stay on their own board and bug the heck out of me, I check back here every once in a while..I wish you would too. We need you here as a compassionate sane poster..I was on Bill Maher last night in Current Events, talking about jury duty, which I have to do in October..Blah!!
you mean Brunson/American
you might get challenged to a duel.
Hi American Woman!
Hi American Woman! Come on back here regularly. We have some really good liberal posters now. Yes, Im in CA. The fires are all around me but havent come to the desert yet (where I am). They have been moving towards the ocean instead (opposite direction). With a change of the wind, though, the fires could change direction, then they would come over the Sierra Nevada Mountains to get to the desert. About two years ago a fire came up over the mountains and you could see it from my house and the air was thick with smoke and soot. Was quite scary..but the firefighters were able to get it out. Yup, CA, the land of mudslides, wildfires, earthquakes, torrential rains (when it does rain..smile). So good to hear from ya..Come on back here. The board isnt the same without ya. :o).
P.S. American Woman
I should have included this in my last nights post..thank you for thinking of me and praying for me and my family. You are so kind. :O)
gt: Where's American Woman??
I haven't read too far yet tonight but is she back? And don't know what you're referring to in terms of your family but please let us all know if there is anything we can do to help?
To Kill an American...sm
Disclaimer: Not sure if this is a true story or not, but it is a great write.
To Kill an American
You probably missed it in the rush of news last week, but there was actually a report that someone in Pakistan had published in a newspaper an offer of a reward to anyone who killed an American, any American.
So an Australian dentist wrote an editorial the following day to let everyone know what an American is . So they would know when they found one. (Good one, mate!!!!)
An American is English, or French, or Italian, Irish, German, Spanish, Polish, Russian or Greek. An American may also be Canadian, Mexican, Puertorican, South American, African, Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Australian, Iranian, Asian, or Arab, or Pakistani or Afghan.
An American may also be a Comanche, Cherokee, Osage, Blackfoot, Navaho, Apache, Seminole or one of the many other tribes known as native Americans.
An American is Christian, or he could be Jewish, or Buddhist, or Muslim.
In fact, there are more Muslims in America than in Afghanistan . The only difference is that in America they are free to worship as each of them chooses.
An American is also free to believe in no religion. For that he will answer only to God, not to the government, or to armed thugs claiming to speak for the government and for God.
An American lives in the most prosperous land in the history of the world.
The root of that prosperity can be found in the Declaration of Independence , which recognizes the God given right of each person to the pursuit of happiness.
An American is generous. Americans have helped out just about every other nation in the world in their time of need, never asking a thing in return.
When Afghanistan was over-run by the Soviet army 20 years ago, Americans came with arms and supplies to enable the people to win back their country!
As of the morning of September 11, Americans had given more than any other nation to the poor in Afghanistan . Americans welcome the best of everything...the best products, the best books, the best music, the best food, the best services. But they also welcome the least.
The national symbol of America, The Statue of Liberty , welcomes your tired and your poor, the wretched refuse of your teeming shores, the homeless, tempest tossed. These in fact are the people who built America .
Some of them were working in the Twin Towers the morning of September 11, 2001 earning a better life for their families. It's been told that the World Trade Center victims were from at least 30 different countries, cultures, and first languages, including those that aided and abetted the terrorists.
So you can try to kill an American if you must. Hitler did. So did General Tojo, and Stalin, and Mao Tse-Tung, and other blood-thirsty tyrants in the world. But, in doing so you would just be killing yourself. Because Americans are not a particular people from a particular place. They are the embodiment of the human spirit of freedom. Everyone who holds to that spirit, everywhere, is an American.
I don't think every American wants democracy. sm
In fact, I know they don't. There are more than a few Americans who think we deserved 9/11. Nancy Pelosi is one of them. Now look where she is.
Somehow, American Girl
something tells me we are preaching to the choir here. See posts below. 
American is clearly a threat to some
America is clearly a threat to many countries, especially seeing what we have been doing for the past four plus years and how we have fueled the hatred and terrorism around the world by chosing to invade and kill instead of holding diplomatic sessions..the thinking mans way of handling a disagreement/problem..no not cowboy Bush, he thinks nothing of sending over our loved ones to fight his illegal, immoral so wrong war, just as long as his daughters and the children of the lawmakers dont have to go.
Proud to be an American
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BJjKCBbI2s  Cat
This American sure doesn't. nm
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First and foremost - I am an American
Stupd is as stupid does. His stepfather was muslim. His biological father had nothing to do with his upbringing and his grandparents (white folks from Kansas) raised him. He went to a primarily Muslim school and also Catholic schools. He is a Christian. But, Christians can be violent terrorists just as much as Muslims. Please research before you make judgments - it just makes you look ignorant.
a responsible American
how about you being a responsible American too and stop blaming EVERYTHING on republicans. Do you think the Dems had no role in the current situation in this country? Take your head out of the sand. There is enough blame to go around for both the republicans AND the democrats. And a responsible American would embrace the freedom of respect the other opinions of other people. We all have a right to express our opinions and be respected for them, not criticized for not thinking just like you.
American made
I gladly pay more if necessary to buy American made but it is getting so hard to find anything made in America. Remember when Wal-Mart's slogan was "Buy American" and now it's "Bring It Home to America?" I don't shop there since Sam died and the whole goshdanged conglomerate changed. They sell JUNK made in China and everywhere but America. We need to start thinking American jobs and to do that we have to quit buying just "cheap" and as someone else said, you usually get what you pay for. I wouldn't think of buying fruits and vegetables from Wal-Mart anyway, they're imported and there is something just disgusting about stuff that is grown with human fertilizer!
I hate to tell ya American MT, s/m
You are just a young chick! I have 25 years on ya. So, yep, you're young all right. Just wait a quarter century. I'm not in bed now because we've had a change in the weather and I don't have a bone or joint in my body that doesn't ache! All-in-all though I'm very thankful, I'm in pretty good condition for the shape I'm in. LOL
As for the freeloaders, I could not possibly agree with you more. I just see the politics thing a little differently, that's all. When I think about the big bank bail-out that has threatened the secure retirement that my husband and I worked so hard for for so many years, I am past grouchy, I am furious. Bush pushed for it, Obama and McCain voted for it so how the heck can I expect things to get better no matter which one of these creepy crooks are elected?
I tell you what though, I feel more sorry for you and the young 'uns in your age group (my kids are 46, 44, 42 and 38), my grandchildren (22, 21, 18, 16, 15 and 8) and great-grandchild (age 3) more than for myself and my husband. As I see it things are going to get a lot worse before they get better. The only one of my children who has any retirement benefits is my youngest, a plumber, who aspires to own his own business and is trying so hard to save enough money to start his own business. He's a superintendent for a big plumbing company in Houston, lives modestly and still has a hard time trying to save money. His wife is an MT and she works hard, fighting for work and ever decreasing pay. Then there's the matter of Social Security, which I doubt will be there when you reach that age, mostly because it is being siphoned off to support freeloaders.
Well, I'll go on and get down off my soapbox and go to bed.....thanks to Advil-LiquaGels!!
Best to ya.
Did she not say she was not proud to be American...
until now with her husband running for president. I think that says a lot. And since you don't know one thing about me either, do not go making assumptions my race, nationality, religion, my political affiliation, my attitudes, intelligence or anything else
How any American can vote for a ...
socialist just this side of Marxist is beyond ME. :-)
The American 'babies' who die in the war....sm
are grown, adult American men and women who made the conscious choice to join the Armed Services knowing full well the implication that they would very likely see active combat. They go to war because they love America and want to protect our liberties and freedoms.
The REAL American babies who will suffer if Obama is elected are the ones who are literally dragged from their uncaring, unloving mother's womb, stabbed in the back of the head and have their brains chopped to mush and sucked out with a tube. Google "partial birth abortion" and look at the pictures of the procedure and then call me a liar.
Is O really African-American?
http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/09/rush-limbaugh-obama-really-isnt-african-american/
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1584736,00.html
Is O really African American?
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1584736,00.html
http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/09/rush-limbaugh-obama-really-isnt-african-american/
More added uncertainty as to who he really, really is. At least with McCain, there is none of this distrust. I do not have to worry that McCain is hanging around terrorists, where he was born and if he is a true US citizen, if he was raised and taught by a pastor for 20 years to learn hate, and could go on and on. What you see is what you get with McCain. None of this junk of trying to prove who he is.
As for O, there is no trust for me. He seems deceitful. He gets mad when newspapers go against him and then kicks them off the plane and so on. Even Clintons have said Obama needs A LOT OF ADVISORS if he wins this election. This is not an election, but an eerie movement. Even had to arrest skin heads because of a plot to assassain the O, already. Freaks me out. Just not right for this country or should I now say for this WORLD as the O wants to change it. He does not know anything about foreign affairs to CHANGE THE WORLD. He scares me to death and I am not the only one who feels this way.
Can anyone give me reassurance about the O?
Exactly. Need to BUY AMERICAN PRODUCTS
Part of it is our fault for buying foreign made cars. Yes, the 3 car companies need to make better quality cars. I have a post about the 3 car companies just 2 above this.
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