So, in a best case scenario for the republicans
Posted By: who insist on challenging Obama's BC...sm on 2008-11-02
In Reply to: US Election Code on certification of - POTUS and VPOTUS eligibility. sm
One would have to wonder how likely it is that these frivolous lawsuits can succeed in challenging the DNC, the Secretary of State and the voters' popular mandate in the aftermath of an election, ESPECIALLY in view of the dire circumstances requiring immediate attention with regard to the economy. If the republicans cannot successfully manipulate voter turn-out through their concerted efforts to suppress democratic votes, cry foul, challenge the election, throw it into months of uncertainty and THEN, on top of it all, push for impeachment proceedings...what will they accomplish? Joe Biden will be president? Supermajority will remain seated? Really. Where do they think they are going with all this? Do they think that after opposing popular mandate, they can call for new elections that will succeed in another republican revolution? Absurd.
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Once case scenario that happens sm
One case scenario that happens regarding employed people getting health insurance through their employers is this. Unfortunately recessions happen. A covered person is laid off. Yes, they can continue coverage through COBRA. Some recessions are long lasting, the laid off person cannot find employment for months or longer. The bills meanwhile are racking up, if there are any savings it not so slowly gets eaten up, and the COBRA coverage is not cheap, to the tune of $600.00 a month or more. That person may very well want to hold onto their coverage but simply cannot. They have to drop the coverage. Hopefully this person eventually is able to get another job that also has health insurance benefits. They then have to go through another pre-existing condition waiting period as they had to drop their insurance and therefore lost their continuous coverage provision. Maybe that person falls seriously ill during that period with some pre-existing condition, and ...financially ruined for the rest of their life as a result..through no fault of their own.
Yes, there are people who are able to afford health insurance but have a devil may care attitude...until they become ill, but there are many other scenarios that are occurring as well, and occurring more frequently.
Another problem is due to the high cost of health insurance fewer and fewer employers are even offering benefits, which leaves working people to attempt to secure individual policies, and in that market anyone can be denied coverage. It does not even have to be a "major" health condition. Heath insurance companies can, and do, deny people coverage due to "run of the mill" problems such as a little hypothyroidism, or that they broke a few bones as a kid while growing up.
I certainly don't have the answers, but tis rather a mess.
Best case scenario, 1 million evacuees.
110 residents from Greater Houston DIED ON THE ROAD during evacuation for Hurricane Rita from Houston 3 years ago.
Another possible scenario
Hi Lurker,
Heard an interesting alternate theory today on Air America - had to do with Judith Miller being angry at Joe Wilson for printing his What I Didn't Find in Africa article in the NYT that seemed to make a fool out of her and what she was claiming all along. So she calls up her contacts at the CIA and demands to know, who is this fool? She finds out who it is,digs and learns who his wife is, and SHE tells Scooter Libby and everyone else including Rove in hopes of getting them to cover her butt by publicly denouncing Wilson and outing his wife, thereby exacting her revenge as well as giving the WH the spin it needed to discredit Wilson's (absolutely accurate) testimony.
Seeing as Scooter Libby gave JM permission months ago to testify, it makes sense that JM may have been the one who actively pursued the Plame outing, which just happened to synchronize perfectly with the BushCo's need to squash Wilson's findings. Libby doesn't have anything to fear in this case since JM would have been the one to tell HIM about Plame's status, not the other way around.
It was an interesting way of looking at it that I hadn't thought about before - what do you think?
I was using the scenario as an example of sm
'facts', not as it related to your post. Since we invaded Iraq, we have not had a terror attack on the United States. Do you see a correlation there or is this just a coincidence. Also, knowing the history of Islam, do you really think the fires needed stoking in that regard to hate us more? Exactly what led up to the escalating terror attacks against the United States? What was the final goal and would it have ended with 9/11. I think not. Those fires don't need stoking. They have been burning since 500 years after the birth of Christ. I don't for a moment believe that the invasion of Iraq all of a sudden made them hate us. Gaddafi said, during Reagan's presidency, that he would not rest until every American was dead in his bed. Haven't heard a peep out of him since Reagan bombed him.
As many of us have. So the scenario described in the OP
to you if it were Palin or McCain? Can you at least acknowledge the possibility that there may have been other considerations beyond the campaign, as suggested?
Here's the scenario in my city
I've been keeping up with what happens to people who actually shoot people in their house or on their property in my area. The majority of the shooters have been store clerks who are tired of being victims. However, there have been several home invasions in the last year where the owner has shot the intruder. Just a few weeks ago a man saw another man breaking into his backyard storage building, and he shot the guy from his house. The subject fled and then wrecked his car about a mile from the break in. When all was said and done the owner was not charged eventhough he shot the man eventhough the man never entered his living space.
As far as I know none of the store clerks or home owners have been charged in the last year (at least that is what the media reports).
Eventhough I believe in gun ownership and defending your property and home I think the recent law passed in Florida where you can shoot anyone who is threatening you (anywhere) is a little broad and I think will be used to get criminals off, because all they have to say is I felt threatened so I shot the dude. I think though when somebody comes on your property then you should be able to take any action to defend yourself within reason. Now, this shouldn't be an excuse for shooting your neighbor because they are piling leaves on your property etc. Common sense should rule, and every case should be judged individually on the circumstances surrounding the incident.
I agree with you completely about the child criminal sentencing aspects. Personally, I don't think these monsters should live but at the very least they should be castrated....seems harsh but its the only way to *neuter* the animal that lives inside these monsters.
Visualize this scenario.
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There is a courtroom scene in the movie A Time to Kill that comes to mind when I hear Bush fans blindly defend their president.
The movie is about the black father of a little girl who is raped, beaten and thrown off a bridge by two white men in Mississippi. Knowing that justice won't be served for a black child, her father kills her attackers and goes on trial for murder.
The scene that comes to mind these crazy days is this:
The defense attorney knows this heartbroken father is facing an all-white jury. And this jury will be incapable of putting themselves in the shoes of a black man.
So the lawyer asks them to close their eyes as he describes in excruciating detail the attack the little girl endured. Can you see it? he asks. Can you see her being tortured? And then he tells them: Now imagine she was white.
It is a similar use of imagination that I would ask the blind faithful in Bush's camp to try.
Please, just close your eyes for a moment as I catalog the abuses George Bush has committed against our country. And then imagine he is Bill Clinton, a man you're predisposed to hate - and tell me you would still defend those actions.
When you consider that George Bush declared war in Iraq based on a lie, close your eyes and imagine it was Bill Clinton who had told that lie. Keep your eyes closed and picture it. In fairness and honesty, would you defend him?
When you consider that George Bush has been secretly and illegally spying on Americans, close your eyes and concentrate. Picture how you would react if it were Clinton wiretapping our phones. Would you defend him?
When you consider that George Bush partied for days at his Texas ranch while New Orleans was dying, close your eyes and picture Clinton partying on Martha's Vineyard. Can you see it? Can you imagine Clinton ignoring the plight of thousands of homeless and dying? Would you defend him?
When you consider that George Bush continues to promote the lie that we do not torture even as he declares the right to violate McCain's amendment barring torture, squeeze your eyes tight and picture it. Can you see Clinton defying the Geneva Convention and Congress? Would you defend him?
When you consider that George Bush has paid journalists to promote his propaganda, close your eyes and imagine Clinton buying off the Fourth Estate. Would you like that? Would you defend him?
When you consider that George Bush continues to send our young men and women into danger in Iraq without protective armor, then hides their coffins from the cameras when they are sent home dead, close your eyes and imagine Clinton doing such a thing. Is this a good thing? Would you defend him?
In the movie, the jurors' collective eyes pop open when the defense lawyer asks them to imagine the little victim was white. It's clear they have seen the light and justice will be done.
In real life, blind allegiance is no better than blind hatred. Both spring from fear and ignorance. It would be gratifying if the Bush defenders were to open their own eyes to see this president for what he really is.
George Bush, by any name, is nothing more than a power-mad liar.
There are 1,091 days 'til Inauguration 2009.
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In the scenario that you mention
using Hitler....Hitler was the terrorist. The Nazis were the terrorists. They were exterminating the Jews because of race. They had no other reason other than they didn't like them.
You cannot compare what we are doing to what Hitler did. The rendition and the assassination of key terrorist members saves innocent lives where Hitler did nothing but destroy innocent lives.
I do not see us lining up all Muslims and exterminating them, sending them to concentration camps, etc. We are going after extremists who would love nothing more than to exterminate us.
I highly doubt that if we were taken over by terrorists or you were in a building that they were planning on bombing....the fact that you disagree with our treatment towards terrorist prisoners will mean absolutely nothing to them. They will still blow you up or cut your head off. These are not people that you can talk to civilly or change their mind. They are on a mission to exterminate infidels....that includes you and me and our family and friends. So seriously....think about that the next time you want to set them free or be nice to them.
I agree with the scenario you speak of.
but there is also talk of growing fetuses for harvesting. I do not agree with that.
Do you want him to lie or make up some scenario that is not true?
If he were to get up there and say we are okay, things are wonderful, tomorrow when you wake up the world as you knew it is going to be back to normal?
I don't know what ya'll want from him. You got one set of people saying he ain't doing enough, one set saying he is doing too much, one set saying he is all doom/gloom, another set condemning him because he says we can change the way things are -
My goodness, what can he do right?
The picture that you make up whatever scenario you want?
And try to pass it off as truth.
Seems to me that you and most of the Republicans on here are the whiners. Get over it. We have another 7-1/2 years with this president. There are a HUGE MAJORITY of us who LIKE him. So sorry your party is in tatters and doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hades of ever getting elected in my lifetime.
get off my case
Did it irk you that I asked AG to post here? Did it get you so upset that you had to repost a previous post? For pete sake, what is your problem? You are filled with hate, absolute hate and anger. You need to chill. When you disagree with someone, you continue on and on and on and on, never letting up with the other person. GET OFF MY CASE. If my posts enrage you as so obviously they do, DO NOT READ THEM. You are so whacked out that you state I would chain myself to the WH with explosives. When I read that, I just about coughed up the soda I was drinking I could not believe any sane person would post something like that. As much as I know you are an angry person, no doubt with rage in your heart, I would NEVER EVER think that of you or post something so evil like that about you. Now, Im saying good bye to you as its obvious through you posts over time you cannot post to me without attacking me, so skip my posts, delete them and MYOB when it comes to me and my opinions.
I second Kam's why. I also don't believe that that will be the case s/m
If you are looking at the primary turnouts, record numbers are turning out on the Democrat side, and on the Republican side fewer are turning out than did in 2004 and 2000, and if that trend continues it bodes well for whatever Democratic candidate ultimately gets the nomination. Also, should that candidate be Hillary Clinton, what candidate on the Republican side is, for lack of a better word, sweeping the voters off their feet, whether with agenda or personality? McCain? Huckabee? Romney?, which one?
Actually, the only two candidates that I think have the qualities of real zeal and enthusiasm are Barack Obama and Ron Paul. Ron Paul isn't going to get the nomination, Obama may or may not, and if not, if the Democrat turnouts remain high, and in general the country truly wanting a different direction, they are going to elect a Democrat this time, and if it is Clinton she will be elected, even if she has no more zeal or charisma than Huckabee, McCain or Romney.
That's what I think anyway.
Just in case.
You accused me earlier of being a racist and posting racist posts. I challenged you to find one post I did and you can't find one. You tried to use something I said after you accused me. I also read through all my posts and there are no racist remarks. When I referred to Michelle not talking like a black woman I was referring to your typical stereotyping us because we don't always talk or write the way you think all black people do. You stereotype and assumed I was white because why, I didn't talk like my friends? I'll say it again. Michelle Obama is one classy lady.
You know one thing I was taught growing up is if I'm ever wrong to at least have the decency to say I'm wrong and am sorry, but I guess not everyone is like that.
You are just wrong.
Of course he would do it in that case, anyone would (sm)
They shouldn't have to do elective abortions that are not for the health of the mother unless it is something they believe in. They should not be forced to do it. It is unethical to ask someone to do something they think is wrong. It would be unethical to ask a non-Christian to pray with a patient if they felt it was against their religion, even if the patient asked for it. In these cases, they should have someone else do it, who does not feel it is against their beliefs.
yes, but the pie man in this case...
was forced to sell pies on credit to people who could never pay for them by whom?.....NOT Bush.
In this case
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In this case.........
it is convenient to maintain the belief that life begins with conception and ends at birth...........
Oh, right. If that is the case, he should have been
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Hardly the case.
Bush escaped that microsope you mentioned in the mainstream media until the kick-off of the 2008 election primaries. There was next to NO scrutiny of his ineptitude prior to that. Talk about getting a free pass. Besides that, there is little to no substance in this witch hunt so far and it is certainly nothing to fear, especially with those lopsided numbers in the House and Senate that have essentialy put the pubs into exile. I'm just starting to kick back and get comfortable and am going to enjoy watching every single last second of it all.
If this were the case...(sm)
then your statment would be relevant. However, that is not the case. The pay of the white male is the pay that everyone else strives for. And why wouldn't a white male be able to sue if treated unfairly? I'm pretty sure there isn't a law that prevents that. Everyone else has had to go through that process for years and years.
Well, in that case....(sm)
the only thing that I can suggest is to buff up. This might help:
http://stronglifts.com/how-to-build-muscle-mass-guide/
In that case....(sm)
I think I've been "pubbed." LOL.
If that were the case...(sm)
then wouldn't the same be true for alcohol? Most people who drink don't make their own alcohol. As far as addiction goes, we'll just have to disagree on that one. There are studies on both sides, and they are a dime a dozen. However, I have tried it, and as Obama said -- yes I inhaled because that was the point. Did I form an addiction? No. As for new people trying it, well, I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone between the ages of 12 and 65 who could honestly say they haven't already tried it.
My daughter is now 24 -- about the age when they start telling you about things they did as teenagers....LOL. I don't know if you have kids or what age they might be, but when they get to that age and if they can openly communicate with you, you might be surprised at what you will find out. No, I'm not saying that your kids would automatically fall into that category, but most do.
If that is the case, why does someone like FOX
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That is not the case
Social Security came into being and started paying out at the same time...there was no contributing to it for years before you got to receive payments. Each person's SS payments are funded by the other workers paying into the system. In addition, payments are determined by what you've earned historically and not by what you've paid in.
In this case.....(sm)
since we are talking about history, I would go with historical facts as opposed to theological references.
Case in point.
I never said what my political affiliation is, gt. Mostly, I have talked about one subject, Bill Bennett, and not from a political viewpoint either. You automatically assume that because I do not agree with you, I am a neocon. But to hear you tell it, you don't make generalizations. But you see, you do, and this is made perfectly clear by this post. Also, the misuse and overuse of the term neocon says a lot about you. Do you realize how strongly you negate intelligent debate when you feel the need to label the person to whom you are speaking?
In that case, you sure must not read much!!!
Plus you seem kind of proud to be so darn ignorant.
Writer, in case you do see this
This is not the first time A.W. has had a hissy fit and said she's leaving....with that said the poster she talked about who was banned (something I didn't know until this thread) was the queen mother of hatred and never posted anything that was not extremely inflammatory. She accused others of drinking while freely admitting she struggled with an alcohol problem. She verbalized death wishes upon the president...so on and so on. She attacked conservatives with her fangs bared. It's really pretty sad that they cannot talk to people without taking broad issues so personally. There are a few, (and I do mean a few here) while we definitely differ with them on a lot of issues are approachable and will have a decent conversation with you. However, the amicable people are usually run off the board by the bitter ones who equate Bush and conservatives with Satan. It's really sad they are stuck in such an immature state and/or overwrought with bitterness.
In this case, I would say it was more Malloy...sm
If it was truly financial, they just made their situation worse firing Malloy. He was very popular and many are cancelling their premium subscriptions to AAR.
well said, ditto, only in my case, it
was cherokee on one side, who by the way, are among those legally here and least heard from and not whining although they certainly have enough reason. The other sides are Irish and English and then there are the Swedes who did 6 months time quarantee on Ellis Island before coming to Texas. She outlived 3 husbands and raised 5 children, 2 boys fighting in WWII and winning for one a bronze star and the other a purple heart and he rode into Berlin on a tank the day the Americans took it. The one with the bronze star saved a man's life at the cost of his own in the 50's on a light pole working for GE. They all grew up speaking Swedish and all learned English. In my case, I learned morse code and that will have to do for my second language.
That may be the case. But it is up to individuals...
whether or not to get down and wallow in that kind of stuff or rise above it. I just wish more would rise above it. I don't think Obama thinks, because he is running for President, his children should be fair game and he should just roll over and take it because of what he is doing in his life. At least I hope he wouldn't. And I find it sad that some of his supporters do. That is all I am saying.
If that's the case, then one thing you might
the fact that Obama's opposition has had a much longer time, including the entire primary seasion (which seemed to last forever) to put him down and promote character assassinating rhetoric. SP, an unknown from out of nowhere, has been on the scene almost one week. Seems like it may be a bit premature to draw any hasty conclusions until a little more time passes. There is still much about her that is unknown. For me, that is a yellow caution light at best.
The case was about a teacher
There was a case where they were trying to ban a teacher from wearing a cross.
Well....that being the case...we only have this guy's word...
that those figures are correct, but you accept those at face value? My whole point in this is that she did her job for the people who elected her...the people of Alaska. I don't see anything wrong with that.
No I think it's another deadly case of
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Case in point......
The fact that I know you have not bothered to educate yourself on the Federal Reserve is the reason you continue to blame a certain party, the party you hate. That doesn't mean that party is to blame, just who you chose to blame because you refuse to take the time to discover why we are in this shape. Bush wasn't even born when the problem began and the institution that started the problem...
Guess what? It is true. The Federal Reserve really does exist and will exist even when Obama is in office. And it will continue to manipulate you and your money and run your government and other governments as well. Who will you blame then?
Anybody heard of this case?
I had heard that there was some question as to where Obama was born ...
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs
I rest my case!
Pittsburgh law enforcement sources tell TMZ they have serious questions about the authenticity of the alleged victim who says she had her face cut by a politically-motivated attacker.
We're told there are several things about the alleged attack that don't add up. A Pittsburgh PD official says they are conducting a "thorough investigation" and have not determined if the alleged attack is real or a hoax. But we're told there is definitely a level of skepticism.
that was proven to not be the case as well
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Oh yeah, in case you want to see what he can do for you...
http://taxcut.barackobama.com/
Well in this case it would be Obama
dressed like he is in that picture. All he needs is Osama Bin Laden with his arm around his shoulder and each one holding an automatic weapon.
If that wre the case, why do you suppose that nobody
The Black Panthers remind me of just how far things had to go and how hard they had to fight before black people in this country were given their civil rights. The Panthers are a part of that history and have as much right as anybody to be there. I would not feel the least bit intimidated by their presence and, in fact, would be grateful that we have come as far as we have since those day. Intimidation is in the eyes of the beholder. Get over yourself.
Who cares what she has to say - she's a case
Just another. She tells him to stop being a hater????? She should eat those words.
Anybody who watches Newt and has read his books knows he is a highly intelligent gentleman who knows what he is talking about. Smart as a whip. Obama's administration would be a lot better off if they offered him a position, but then again Obama will not be uniting the two parties. It will be more separation and filled with liberals.
I so pity you! You are such a sad case
be wasted!
i rest my case
no need for further discussion, you proved my point!
There ya go, I rest my case nm
thanks!
In case you missed it...
The Catholic church has the freedom to produce the ad, NBC has the freedom to reject the ad, and everyone in this country has the freedom to choose whether or not they watch NBC. That is how it should be, freedom for everyone!
If that's the case, why did you start this one?
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Yes, you TRY to make a case for anything
as you are proving in this thread. Listen, I'm outta here. This is getting old, very old.
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