Sigh...you go right back and play the religion card....
Posted By: Observer on 2007-12-15
In Reply to: Oh for Pete's sake, it won't work. - piglet
despite how many times I tell you it has nothing to do with what my Christian beliefs are, other than my belief in Christ strengthens my moral resolve. Abortion is morally wrong and it is on that level that I most strenuously oppose it. I have no reason to believe that if I parted ways with God as you have that my moral convictions would go with Him. I had moral convictions before I knew Christ. All knowing Him has done is strengthen them.
You have morals, right? Has nothing to do with religion, as you don't have a belief in God, right? You and He parted ways a long time ago didn't you say? Did your morals go with Him? Of COURSE they didn't. You think war is morally wrong. That does not come from any religion in you does it? NO. It comes from your morality. The same place my exception to abortion comes from. There are many people against abortion on moral grounds who aren't Christians.
You ignored my question again. Do you think war is ever justified? Was the Revolutionary War? Was the Civil War? ANY war?
Just as you think it is a shame war casualties do you light a fire in my heart like millions of aborted children, I think it is a shame that aborted children don't light a fire in yours.
Geeezzzz piglet. Is there a GOOD way to murder a baby? I don't think so!! I don't care how they do it...it still kills them. Murder is rarely done in a "humane" manner. It would not be more palatable to me no matter how it was done. I mention how it is done because you continue to talk about maimed and mangled and bloody war casualties. That is why I bring the point that that is exactly what abortion does...maim, mangle, torture, and kill. Neither is pretty. Both are ugly, and both end with death. Would you want pictures of aborted babies on the 6:00 news? Would you like live video footage of a late term partial birth abortion with your evening meal? Perhaps we could have a half hour of war victims and a half hour of abortions?
I think you are wrong about abortion going underground. Women would start going to Mexico or to whatever state abortions were available. But at least the woman still has a choice of an illegal abortion or carrying the child. The child NEVER gets a choice. In your world that is fair. In mine, it is not. That being said, I realistically do not believe that we will ever live in a country again where abortion is illegal nationwide. I do not believe it will happen. That does not mean I will not continue to speak out against it or work with organizations to give women a choice other than abortion. And if called upon to vote for or against...it will be against. Just like I would not vote to legalize murder. Or theft. It is just amazing to me how outside the womb it is a crime to kill a child, inside the womb it is open season. Freaking amazing. That is why in a partial birth abortion they have to force a breech delivery, then pull back skin of neck, insert needle and suck the brain out, to collapse the skull, while the head is still inside the mother. So that the baby is dead when it is "delivered." If the head was out before that procedure, by law the child has been "born" and to kill it then would be murder. So, to be "legal," have to suck the brain out while the head still inside. Sick.
Going to war is not a unilateral decision. It requires a majority of Congress. Abortion requires a majority of one. Giving one human being total control and choice to take the life of another is morally wrong. Any other time that happens we call it murder without blinking an eye.
So, whether we "agree" with disagreeing or not....we disagree.
Have a wonderful Christmas, Piglet. :)
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here we go, let's play the "racism" card again....
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Ummm, don't play the race card here
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When all else fails, play the race card, right?
"You have a problem with someone speaking against THIS president, cause he is black and you can't stand it!"
This is what happens when you let Janine Garafalo tell you what to think.
Puh-THETIC.
Religion has no place in politics. It should go back
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LOL. *Liberal Religion* = ANY religion that isn't YOURS.
You don't want EQUALITY in religion. You want yours to be SUPERIOR to all others. You want to force your narrow and specific religious beliefs down the throats of every single American. You can't get them into your religion willingly so you'll FORCE them to fall in step with you via government if you have to.
You couldn't stop abortion by killing abortion doctors, so now you'll do it through the Supreme Court. And your God on earth just happens to be a president who wants the same things that you do, and so he's willing to throw the Constitution out the window (in violation of his Presidential oath) in order to replace it, not just with the Christian Bible, but with his own personal clone who will legislate her own narrow evangelical Christian views that don't even agree with the less radical, quieter forms of the Christian religion.
Government, schools and universities don't fall into the same categories.
There already ARE religous schools and universities. Isn't THAT enough for you?
And what about all those many, MANY buildings with crosses and other religious symbols on them throughout this nation where people of like-minded beliefs congregate to worship the God of their CHOICE? I believe they're called CHURCHES. Isn't THAT enough for you, either?
Nope. You're not going to be happy until you can be *superior.*
The sad fact is that in a country with freedom of religion, you never WILL BE, whether you like it or not. You can put 9 THOUSAND justices on the Supreme Court, you still won't be SUPERIOR, and I believe God, who is all knowing, knows that as well!
Because the Muslim religion is the only religion that says.....
Convert or die.
can we all play
I can remember when republicans attacked Hiliary and Chelsea big time. Dont you remember? So, now that someone has attacked Bush, his daughters and wife (seems like quite a bit is not attack but truth), the poster is wrong. Geez, I can remember when I would read awful attacks on Chelsea, who was only a child while in the White House, and I often thought all this is gonna affect her self esteem. Hiliary has been a punching bag and continues to be from the right wing. So, can we all get over it? Politics is tough and yes both sides attack, even personally (really..wow??) the other side. From the posts I have read between these two (GT and MT), me thinks one has a grudge against the other and that to me is ridiculous and tiring to read. So, kiddies, can we all play nicely in the sand box?
I just got it to come up and play
for me. You might try it again.
Ah the race card!
always played when a leftist is against the wall when it comes to facts. France has changed diametrically in the 200+ years since the revolutionary war, but you probably have your own leftist rewritten history book on that too, so why bother...
Is it any different than the race card?
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Don't need a library card but thanks
Well, I never said homosexuals were making up these feelings. I truly believe that one doesn't just choose to be attracted to another of the same gender, that they biologically are for whatever reason. I don't believe one would want to purposefully put themselves through the ridicule and scrutiny they have been through. I have a friend who is gay. Everybody in the neighborhood knew it as young children. Four decades later he finally actually says his partner's name, as though we didn't already know it. I certainly don't think less of him as a human being. He has made great accomplishments in his life and is well known in the interior design business and has done great for himself. Some who read the high end design magazines would probably even know him if I mentioned his name, but I won't; it's not my place. He's even been on A&E from time to time when describing old mansions/homes in the US.
The question was asked do I believe two of the same sex should be allowed to "marry" and I said no. I believe marriage is between a man and a woman but if two of the same gender want to live together, no one has the right to stop them.
I don't need a biology lesson to know common sense......and I will say again, body parts weren't made to fit same sex to same sex for a reason.
This guy I speak of was raised in the church, he knows God's plan for him, he will have to choose his life, no one can do it for him. That doesn't mean I don't love him as a friend.
pity card. nm
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Exactly, and the other race card is
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Ok...I'll play along with this one
So by your reasoning if a child molestor had molested a child many years ago....you would be okay with the person teaching young children? Because that person has a right to privacy and if they are qualified to teach...their prior history should not be of any concern?
I'm sorry but there are exceptions to every rule here. A person who willingly, knowingly, and admittingly helped blow up several buildings while running a terrorist group should have no right to be a teacher or instructor to any students......period.
I'm tired too - can I play?
What I'm tired of - denial. Widespread total denial, even as live as we've known it crumbles to ashes.
Take the healthcare mess. Lobbyists of insurance and pharmaceutical companies buying the vote of every senator and congressman in Washington to keep the status quo. The people we elected to office taking bribes to betray the very people that elected them. I am sick of knowing that no matter how much I pay in insurance premiums, when the time comes for a claim to get paid, big business will find any loophole to deny the claim and bankrupt me - and they get legislated more loopholes every day by anybody I vote for. And if I am unlucky enough to have a disease that requires a procedure to save my life, the "loss prevention" department at any insurer I pay will diligently seek reason to deny that procedure as "unnecessary" so I will do without the procedure and die. All Washington can do is lie and deny about the healthcare situation.
The lie that the more the government spends on "defense", the safer we are. I found out after Katrina just how safe I was, just how much my government would take care of me, and just what fun living under martial law is. I have learned just how much respect for our enlisted men the government has as they deny insurance claims to their families if they die in action, and force them to pay back sign-on bonuses if they are careless enough to get hurt on the job and have to be removed from duty before their stint is up. I have learned how much are government cares for our other heros, as they deny 9/11 rescue workers healthcare, while providing the best healthcare that can be bought for the terrorists they have incarcerated. Whatever the government claims to be defending, it is not you and me, it is the interests of the big businesses that have bought their vote. Oh, and PLEASE, search every sweet little grandmother that gets on any plane going anywhere - that'll make me feel real safe, because nothing can possibly go wrong with a flight if all the American passengers are treated like criminals before they board it. Keeping the sky safe is all we need, since our borders are so secure that no terrorist could possibly sneak into the country by any other means, like our illegal aliens do!
I am sick of profiteers getting bailed out at the expense of the little guy. I am disgusted to watch incompetence be rewarded and responsibility punished. I am tired of watching people lose their homes, jobs and way of life - while we legislate billions to keep the corporate profits strong, and swallow the propaganda that offshoring our jobs to other countries is a good thing.
I am sick of the war on drugs. How many years and how much mony have been spent on this, yet we are not winning it, so lets just keep throwing money at it and surely someday we'll win. Certainly a DEA agent would never take a bribe or feel any greed like the folks in Washington do.
I am tired of the welfare system and the corruption within it. I am tired of reporting fraud just to be shushed because it causes too much paperwork for them to investigate. I am tired of hearing how anyone can get a government check for threadbare reasons such as questionable mental disabilities, drug/alcohol addiction, or simply the desire to breed irresponsibly until their reproductive organs give up the game. I'm sick of us giving welfare to anyone that strolls into our country illegally and sticks out their hand. I'm 49, I am assured that there will be nothing left for me when I am old and ill, and I have paid into the system all my life. I am also assured that no matter how much wealth I may amass to try to pay my own way, health care costs will continue to skyrocket past it and any illness at all will financially wipe me out, so the best I can hope for is a quick, severe illness that kills me before I'm penniless and homeless.
I am tired of charities that bombard us with heartwrenching commercials - then turn around and pay any contributions we give to CEOs, advertising, and overhead - only then maybe a few cents will actually be left over for the pitiful victims we intended to help.
I am sick of the environmentalists, PETA activists and vegans. Get real, folks. We can't even stop being barbaric to other humans - considering the way we treat our heros, veterans, children, elderly, poor, disaster victims, mentally ill and homeless - do you seriously think we'll become misty eyed about a marshland or an animal? Well, obviously some of us find it preferable to caring about other humans. But your lectures regarding what will we leave our future generations and where is our conscience also apply to the national debt and all the other problems we continue to allow to escalate. So which fire needs to be put out first, would it be possible to actually define and prioritize all the issues intead of just jumping on your bandwagon?
I'm also tired of hearing about the horrific conditions in other countries - imagine taking an interest in what's wrong with our own country before we go fixing everybody else on the planet!
I am tired of being politically correct. We are sooo, sooo worried about offending "someone", and a slip of the tongue in front of a camera can ruin a career....but we have no problem taking away anyone's livelihood, housing, self-respect, dignity, health or even their life if it stands in the way of corporate profit. So why keep up the pretense that we care how anyone feels?
I am tired of going to the polls to vote for people who claim to stand for something, but are prepared to change their mind the minute they hit Washington and the bribes start rolling in. I am tired of having no good choices on election day, and no candidate that I have any faith in actually making it on the ballot. I am tired of knowing that any candidate from any party that makes it to Washington will be on a lobbyist's payroll before they cast their first vote on any issue, so whoever I vote for will put the highest bidder's interests first.
I am tired of the widespread apathy of my fellow citizens, who waste their brainpower on entertainment and fluff, instead of questioning the system and working to change it. I am tired of greed that has taken over every aspect of this country. I am tired of a society that worships wealth, celebrity and beauty for all the wrong reasons. I am weary of everyone being in debt up to their eyeballs, one paycheck away from total financial anniliation, and thinking its a sensible way to live because "everybody" does it. After all, our national leaders show us by example that the solution to huge debt is borrowing more money without a thought for tomorrow, and daily the media assures us those guys really know what they're doing! I am tired of conspicuous consumption and planned obsolesence. I am sick of the skyrocketing costs of education and transportation. I am sick that everything I voluntarily purchase or involuntarily contribute to via taxes has been deberately engineered by some corporate fat-cat to cost me more and give me less than it did yesterday.
Sign me - Just another unheard voice in the land of the deceived, home of the naive.
Nobody should play games with these
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Worried about $2,000 debit card? Oh please!
I was reading some posts on MTStars main board last night and OMG some people are wondering what will happen to the $2,000.00 debit card money the victims will get. One posted she did not want her tax money going to alcohol or drugs!! Would she be saying that if it had been a middle class white neighborhood or just because most of the victims are black, so she thinks they spend all their money on alcohol and drugs. These people had jobs, they had lives, they had homes, they had animals..they now have NOTHING, due to not fault of their own, due to our governments inaction and criminal neglect. So, until they can get their lives back on track (dont know if I ever could, sure hope they can..God help them all), our government is their employer and whatever money they get through the government, they can do with what they want. My God, they have nothing, nothing. I cannot imagine. It blows my mind and each day I get sadder and more angry over the horror. I gotta tell ya, if I went through what they did, when I got that $2,000.00, I probably would buy a bottle of wine along with finding a home to rent, clothing, food, getting my kids back in school and paying for transportation so I could find another job and then I would relax the first night in my new home with my kids and drink that darn bottle of wine..and thank the powers that be that I am still alive.. I am glad my tax dollars will help these unfortunate people.
The $2000 debit card sm
has provisions that state the card cannot be used for alcohol or cigarettes. They will get no cash back on any purchase.
The government has already thought of all these things. The card can only be used for food, personal items, etc.
Here's the fear card, people.
Lap it up.
That's not a fear card, that's the truth.
If Clinton had dealt with the terrorists a little sooner, 9/11 may not have even happened. I know this is a shoulda/coulda kind of statement, but everyone's always going on about Bush and the war - I may not agree with why he went into Iraq, but I know with him in the Oval Office, we're a lot safer in this country, as well as several other countries. The truth is that there are many people that hate us and our country not because of who our President is, it's because we choose to be free, have freedom of speech and freedom of religion and freedom from tyranny. Can you imagine someone just walking into the White House and declaring himself President? That happens in the kind of countries that hate us. There are problems in this country, yes, but at least be glad that you live in a country where you won't get sent to jail or killed because you have different beliefs than the government. And as far as being afraid of these people? We should be!!! They have nuclear weapons (or will soon) - you don't think they're crazy enough to use them? That's why I want someone leading my country who's not afraid to stand up and say NO! You can't mess with my country and her people!!! Now, whichever candidate you think will do that is the one that deserves your vote.
Like I'm really SURE any card-carrying feminist,
would support someone who is:
100% anti-abortion (in all cases, even rape); homophobic; pro-guns; so non-environmental as to not be 'green' but totally 'black' and one of those who believes that somehow the more children you produce, the more rights you have to step on those who choose not to overpopulate the planet.
Yeah, she's definitely got the feminists' vote, alright.... NOT!!!
but when his card gets to the polling office...
it will be knocked out and not counted. ACORN has to turn it in, it's up to the registrars in each town to verify it and count it.
Plays the religious card?
When it suits him? How about trying to set the record straight when others spew baloney about him? If you were running for office, you would do the same thing if people were saying incorrect things about you, what you believe in, have voted or not voted for, etc.
If he didn't people would then say, "See, he didn't dispute it, so it must be true." Either way, the bashers find reason to bash ... cause that's what they do.
There is also all that untraceable credit card...
money. I imagine a few campaign law restrictions were shattered with that. and yes, he took money from lobbyists in the form of bundlers. Mccain did too. They ALL do.
It's always the race card with any black....
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Play nice, boys.
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Go play outside and egging people on
it's not very flattering, and it's obviously you're trying to stoke a fight.
now now children, play nicely.
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Go play your own games. Would rather seek
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Let's play "stump the candidate."
It was a setup. This from a Latin American who heard the interview:
Basically, McCain was getting questions about Hugo Chavez, about Evo Morales, and about Raul Castro and then when the interviewer pivoted to Spain’s José Zapatero, McCain responded with some boilerplate about his approach to Latin America being that we need to stay close to our friends and stand strong against our enemies.
Perhaps he did not know the name of the President of Spain, and when thrown out there with enemies of this country with no qualifier....I have no doubt Obama or Biden either one would have failed the "test."
Obama didn't know how many states are in this country, either...after 3 guesses. I am more comfortable with someone who can't immediately recall the name of the President of Spain than a President who doesn't know how many states are in the country he is going to govern.
Sheesh.
It was tacky of him in the 1st place to play the
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Turn about's fair play so...
If you're condemning Palin for THREE MINUTES standing before a visiting minister, I'd love to hear your take on Obama spending TWENTY YEARS in the company of his spiritual mentor (Obama's words, not mine), Reverend Wright.
You believe AIDS was created by the US government to wipe out minorities?
You believe 'GD America is in the Bible?'
Or do you only believe things subjectively, when it suits your cause?
Race does play a part -
I have a friend that just told me today that she is torn about who to vote for even though she is a democrat and has voted strictly democrat her entire life, but this time she is "just not sure". I asked her if it was because he was black and she said no, it is because he is Muslim - I explained that no he was not and she said she was still going to have to be careful and think things through this time about whether to vote for him or not.
race does play a part
And I agree with you..however, I am so SICK and TIRED of people saying that "Obama is a MUSLIM"...he has stated time and time again that he is NOT, yet there are those who have set in their minds that he IS...sad and yes, underlying racist mentality in this country that many people try to state does not exist...sad
You are a very childish poster..go play with the
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Privatize SS, as in play the market with SS tax $.
and see what you come up with.
you do not play fair when you do this to inviduals
and attack them personally
Oh pleeeze........don't play that game
You have name called left and right on this board and you know exactly what you were doing but you didn't hear anyone scream MODERATOR, even though you were definitely name calling and it was racially intended. Just because some have thicker skin and overlook your nasty comments does not mean they were not racially motivated.
Even then, rabid republicans and creepublicans is nasty....I suppose it's what you consider nasty and racist, huh?
There is the old typical refrain, play it
Bush, baby. Thank God, the pubs in the house wised up, along with 11 of the dems! Prayerfully, so will the Senators!
what do you mean, play YOUR full deck., come on!..m
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More might have forgiven her had she not played the race card.
Which she is constantly doing. She tried to make this all about race. Shameful and I am sure a lot of blacks would agree. I heard Larry Elder talking about it and he agreed. I wonder what Bill Cosby would say. She needs to stop doing that.
This does not cost anything. Just pick a card and a message...sm
Or even type your own message and Xerox handles the mailing. This is neat.
So playing the gender card to get votes
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Totally agree. Now with card check, bye bye
Wal-Mart. Yeah, the unions will get what they have wanted for a long time, the total destruction of a company where many of us shop because we can afford it on our meager MT paychecks.
Your post paints a very good picture of the destructiveness of unionization, now which will be made worse by coercion and intimidation.
I agree - paid last card off today
The same thing here - my rates got raised on all my cards as of April, for no reason at all. I'm a good customer too, never late, never over limit. I'm going to try to live within my means, and let the banks live without my interest payments. As more people do that, maybe the banks will see that we are tired of being punished for playing by the rules so that the incompetent and unscrupulous can profit!
People like you like to pull a race card all the
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Harry Reid wants it both ways, and has tried to play JM...sm
for a fool in this.
Somehow, I think it's going to backfire on Harry Reid.
Love that race card. Pure class. sm
This is coming from someone who trained at the gym for 2 years with a black guy. Yeah, I'm racist, all right.
Like Bill Clinton said, "they played the race card from the bottom of the deck!"
Obama started the race card game all by his
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Notice how the dems are the ones always playing the race card...
and then blaming it on the pubs....typical.
No race card here...just a simple rhetorical question
See how they run....far, far away from the inbred racism of their own faction....the same racism that mobilized hoaxters and assassins.
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