Sigh. They better not protest too much....
Posted By: sam on 2008-10-31
In Reply to: Obama Plane Pitches Reporters From McCain-Endorsing Papers...sm - ms
or the Obama faithful background check squad will be after them. They better quit putting their garbage out by the street or people will be going through it.
The degree of control these people want to exert BEFORE they have real power is bad enough. THink what it will be like when and IF they do....
Godspeed John McCain to the White House.
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pro war protest
This morning on the Bakersfield, CA news (totally conservative town), they are having a protest..*Not in our Name, Cindy Sheehan* and then they are going to Crawford to protest against the antiwar protestors..Well, of course, the local news has had it all morning on their shows. Anyway, they said they are going to offer to Cindy to join with them to sponsor an Iraqi orphanage to see what she will say. I almost choked on my soda. Sure, lets go kill their parents over NOTHING and then we will sponsor an orphanage for the remaining children. One lady, a marine, was practically crying as she talked about how she believes in this war. I was watching her in amazement and I realized..they are freaking brainwashed. They have to tell themselves they believe in this war otherwise they would not be able to live with themselves for what they did. Same with the parents who have lost children to this immoral war. They have to say it is right and back the warmonger, otherwise how could they get up day after day after day, knowing they sent their children to die for nothing. *Hello America, where are you..dont ya know that Im your native son/daughter*
Protest. sm
Perhaps the anti-war movement needs to provide an effective intellectual case against war. Many protesters instead have personalized their opposition to President Bush, making him the focus of their ire. Maybe this feels good, but anti-Bush slogans are counter-productive if the aim is to stop the war. I have seen thousands of pictures of the war protests and in every single one of them, most of the signs vilify President Bush, not the war. How in the world can they ever be taken seriously? I am for freedom of speech, but this isn't what is happening. And still, the left has not learned the lessons about how the war protests affected Vietnam.
protest . . . protest . . . protest
as you wish . . . we are entering a new era and there are those of us whose hearts are soaring with joy. Label it anyway it makes you comfortable, we are joyous.
protest in bakersfield
One other thing this morning (Im raring to go this morning..smile). I live close to Bakersfield, CA, and today they are having a memorial for a serviceman who died in Iraq. There is a church in Topeka, Kansas who is coming to Bakersfield and going to protest the memorial and burial cause they say this war is because America has accepted ****fags**** and until we come back to God's way, American military will die. I MEAN IS THIS FREAKING READY FOR A 5150 OR WHAT???? This is super crazy. Oh geez, what the heck is happening to MY America?? Absolute nuts, that is what they are. Plus, why are they picking on Bakersfield, a central CA rural town?
Protest Warrior
Just because someone is against the anti-war movement does not make them pro-war. Just because a group protests the anti-war protestors does not make them pro-war. BTW, I know of only one person on the conservative board that is a member of Protest Warrior, but I will add that I like what they do. You do not have corner on the protest market. You don't have a corner on the free speech market either. I do believe you all have gained a big corner on the spin market, because you and the liberal press are masterminds of spin. How's that working for ya? Let's see. you lost the congressional/senate majority in 1996 and have yet to gain it back. You lost the Presidential elections in 2000 and 2004. The spin market doesn't look to profitable to me right now.
and how is it extremist to protest this...
when liberals applaud people protesting the war. They are both protesting government acts, but if the protesters are conservative, then all of the sudden they are threatening? I'm with you, it is absolute silliness. By the way, I know some black people who are going to tea parties. Are they racists, too?
Religious Protest from the Left
A Religious Protest Largely From the Left
Conservative Christians Say Fighting Cuts in Poverty Programs Is Not a Priority
By Jonathan Weisman and Alan Cooperman
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, December 14, 2005; A08
When hundreds of religious activists try to get arrested today to protest cutting programs for the poor, prominent conservatives such as James Dobson, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell will not be among them.
That is a great relief to Republican leaders, who have dismissed the burgeoning protests as the work of liberals. But it raises the question: Why in recent years have conservative Christians asserted their influence on efforts to relieve Third World debt, AIDS in Africa, strife in Sudan and international sex trafficking -- but remained on the sidelines while liberal Christians protest domestic spending cuts?
Conservative Christian groups such as Focus on the Family say it is a matter of priorities, and their priorities are abortion, same-sex marriage and seating judges who will back their position against those practices.
It's not a question of the poor not being important or that meeting their needs is not important, said Paul Hetrick, a spokesman for Focus on the Family, Dobson's influential, Colorado-based Christian organization. But whether or not a baby is killed in the seventh or eighth month of pregnancy, that is less important than help for the poor? We would respectfully disagree with that.
Jim Wallis, editor of the liberal Christian journal Sojourners and an organizer of today's protest, was not buying it. Such conservative religious leaders have agreed to support cutting food stamps for poor people if Republicans support them on judicial nominees, he said. They are trading the lives of poor people for their agenda. They're being, and this is the worst insult, unbiblical.
At issue is a House-passed budget-cutting measure that would save $50 billion over five years by trimming food stamp rolls, imposing new fees on Medicaid recipients, squeezing student lenders, cutting child-support enforcement funds and paring agriculture programs. House negotiators are trying to reach accord with senators who passed a more modest $35 billion bill that largely spares programs for the poor.
At the same time, House and Senate negotiators are hashing out their differences on a tax-cutting measure that is likely to include an extension of cuts in the tax rate on dividends and capital gains.
To mainline Protestant groups and some evangelical activists, the twin measures are an affront, especially during the Christmas season. Leaders of five denominations -- the United Methodist Church, Episcopal Church, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, Presbyterian Church USA and United Church of Christ -- issued a joint statement last week calling on Congress to go back to the drawing board and come up with a budget that brings good news to the poor.
Around 300 religious activists have vowed to kneel in prayer this morning at the Cannon House Office Building and remain there until they are arrested. Wallis said that as they are led off, they will chant a phrase from Isaiah: Woe to you legislators of infamous laws . . . who refuse justice to the unfortunate, who cheat the poor among my people of their rights, who make widows their prey and rob the orphan.
To GOP leaders and their supporters in the Christian community, it is not that simple. Acting House Majority Leader Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) said yesterday that the activists' position is not intellectually right.
The right tax policy, such as keeping tax rates low on business investment, grows the economy, increases federal revenue -- and increased federal revenue makes it easier for us to pursue policies that we all can agree have social benefit, he said.
Dobson also has praised what he calls pro-family tax cuts. And Janice Crouse, a senior fellow at the Christian group Concerned Women for America, said religious conservatives know that the government is not really capable of love.
You look to the government for justice, and you look to the church and individuals for mercy. I think Hurricane Katrina is a good example of that. FEMA just failed, and the church and the Salvation Army and corporations stepped in and met the need, she said.
Tony Perkins, president of the conservative Family Research Council, said the government's role should be to encourage charitable giving, perhaps through tax cuts.
There is a [biblical] mandate to take care of the poor. There is no dispute of that fact, he said. But it does not say government should do it. That's a shifting of responsibility.
The Family Research Council is involved in efforts to stop the bloodshed in the Darfur region of Sudan as well as sex trafficking and slavery abroad. But Perkins said those issues are far different from the budget cuts now under protest. The difference there is enforcing laws to keep people from being enslaved, to be sold as sex slaves, he said. We're talking here about massive welfare programs.
The Rev. Richard Cizik, a vice president of the National Association of Evangelicals, returned yesterday from the Montreal conference on global climate change, another issue of interest to evangelicals. Frankly, I don't hear a lot of conversation among evangelicals about budget cuts in anti-poverty programs, he said. What I hear our people asking is, why are we spending $231 million on a bridge to nowhere in Alaska and can't find $50 million for African Union forces to stop genocide in Darfur?
© 2005 The Washington Post Company
Holy cow! Even the llamas sat down in protest.
As far as your imagined knowledge of where I get my information, I refer you back to your very own post above:
You infer that you know how and where I get my information. If you're so freaking clairvoyant then what are you doing here? The elitism just oozes from you.
You made a fine point in your other post: Those in glass houses best not throw stones.
Do you practice what you preach?
I don't know if you took the time to actually read the article I posted. Nowhere in my post did I negatively pass judgment on you, as you have me. Everywhere in my post, I discussed how and why I feel the way I do and I stuck to the issues.
What made me suspicious that the White House was behind the Israeli-Lebanon war was simply the sense of deja vu all over again, as if I were viewing the summer rerun of the Iraqi war because it was all carried out Bush style:
1. The use of shock and awe.
2. The feeling that the Israelis could easily win against Hezbollah when in fact Israeli troops also encountered fierce resistance from Hezbollah guerrillas, who took a page from the Iraqi insurgents by using explosive booby traps and ambushes to inflict heavier than expected casualties on the Israelis.
3. Not enough troops deployed.
4. Reservists complaining of not being supplied with enough body armor.
5. Other soldiers found equipment to be either inferior or inappropriate for battlefield conditions.
6. And once again, animals proved they are smarter than humans: One Israeli plan to use llamas to deliver supplies in the rugged terrain of south Lebanon turned into an embarrassment when the animals simply sat down.
The only element that was missing was the mythical claim that they would be greeted as liberators but who knows? Maybe all those roses just couldn't be delivered because the roads in Lebanon had been destroyed.
I totally agree that there are radical Muslims who want to kill us. What I totally disagree with is Bush's belief that everything can be solved with bombs. The United States is quickly becoming the most hated country in the world because of Bush's total lack of diplomacy, and I'm afraid that he is only provoking more terror attacks as a result.
The world doesn't like to be bullied by a country with a president that clearly wants to dominate the world. Ask the Soviet Union. Whoops. Sorry. The Soviet Union doesn't exist any more, do they? At least for the time being. I personally predict that even though Bush claims to know Putin's heart, we're soon going to discover that you can't take the KGB out of the Russian, and maybe, just maybe they're finding pure greedy capitalism isn't all it's hyped up to be. I believe Putin is going to prove to be a very dangerous and painful thorn in America's side, only proving once again that Bush's judgment is very poor.
I'd be glad to debate you further, but if you're going to continue to make it personal, pretending to know who I am, what I feel and where I get my news, then I'm not interested in communicating with you any further and once again refer you to your very own quote to another poster: You infer that you know how and where I get my information. If you're so freaking clairvoyant then what are you doing here? The elitism just oozes from you.
he was *detained* during a protest rally...
for the moment - but they have been after Gary for decades - I recently saw him on Bill Maher explaining it all....GREAT GUY by the way, Gary....
Massive abortion protest set for
March 31.
It may seem that those who believe abortion is wrong are in
a minority. It may seem like we have no voice and it's
shameful to even bring it up. Let us show our President and
the world that the voices of those of us who do not believe
abortion is acceptable are not silent and must be heard.
The Red Envelope project.
On March 31, red envelopes are being mailed to protest Obama's agenda of unfettered worldwide abortions at taxpayer expense. The envelopes will be empty.
Get a red envelope. You can buy them at Kinkos, or at party
supply stores. Or you can visit the Red Envelope Project for a source that you can order on line for $10.95 per 100.
On the front, address it to
President Barack Obama
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW
Washington , D.C. 20500
On the back, write the following message.
This envelope represents one child who died in abortion. It is empty because that life was unable to offer anything to the world. Responsibility begins with conception.
The envelopes are to be mailed on March 31, 2009.
Forward this event to every one of your friends who you think would send one, too. Share this ministry with your church. Bundle the envelopes in 5s or 10s and ask that the front be personally handwritten to Obama and ask that your church members take 5, 10, or however many they wish and apply the postage to each one so that no one is burdened unduly with the expense of the postage . To save time, print up labels for the message to be applied to the back of the envelope and place them on the envelopes before handing out. Be sure to supply with the bundle President Obama's mailing address to personally be handwritten.
All details of this worthy grassroots effort can be found at www.redenvelopeproject.org. Just click to see how many have signed up!!
This is an issue that reaches beyong partisan politics. This is an issue of life. I don't care whether you are pro-life or pro-choice, whether you voted for or against Obama. This is an issue of life. It is no longer about choice. It is an issue of global wholesale slaughter of innocent life. It is within my pay grade to protest, and I hope yours, too.
Sorry, but your protest idea, is what's UGLY,
You people are trying to force your beliefs on women you dont even know. You're trying to force them to have children you'll never see, and will never lift finger to help. The pro-choice folks don't tell others they must HAVE abortions, who why do you think it's your place to tell us they CAN'T?
Control, people. It's all about CONTROL. Right now we have control of our own bodies and life destinies, and they're trying to take that right away from us. Once that's gone, what will they take away from us next?
This is about a protest to a proposed change - it happens. - nm
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Massive protest outside of the White House sm
Of course, I am getting it from an international media source. Anyone seen this on TV?
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20111539-1702,00.html
Need help with YouTube war protest arrest video
While researching war protests from yesterday, I came across this interesting article.
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003845496
I tried to view this video through numerous direct and indirect links. I am able to get video, but no audio. It appears that Amy Goodman, investigative reporter, age 51, and her crew were arrested while trying to report of the RNC convention protests. Without sound, it looks like she was not in the middle of anything particularly dramatic. All I could see was street and building, no spectators. It looked like she tried to talk to the officers and they spontaneously started manhandling her, detaining, cuffing and ultimately arrested her. I am curious about the conversation that was going on but have been unable to find audio and video together.
Is there anyone else who has viewed this video WITH the audio. If so could you possibly post the link you used. I am asking because my computer does not seem to be having any problem with other audio on video clips. For anyone who is not deeply offended by news reporting of the war protest, I have included another link to an LA Times article about the arrest below.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/09/amy-goodman-arr.html
St. Paul Police Protest the Press
Be careful of your constitutional rights - they are rapidly disappearing.
http://www.truthout.org/article/st-pauls-police-protest-press
There was a big protest in Alaska against Palin. I can get the link.
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methinks thou doest protest too much
holy moley
Yes, put your protest call on the Faith Board,
these people will agree with you, they live, like you, in another, imaginary world.
To mt: Really over a million people took place in the protest. s/m
http://www.windsorstar.com/News/Turnout+tepid+modern+parties/1500117/story.html
To mt: Really over a million people took place in the protest? s/m
Check out this Canadian news article on this pitiful event -- this might answer your question about why no other news stations were giving this much air time -- NOT NEWSWORTHY!! Not even 10s of thousands, much less a million!! Where did you get your statistics? Is that what you heard on TRIX news? 
http://www.windsorstar.com/News/Turnout+tepid+modern+parties/1500117/story.html
Protest Warriors was hacked by radical leftists. SM
The administrator's had nothing to do with it. In fact, they fight this on a daily basis. As far as ISP numbers, I don't know of a chat board anywhere where the administrator does not keep track. And I don't know of one anywhere where the information is shared.
Thousands show up to protest at UN today urging end to war Iraq.
Reuters: By Gertrude Chavez-Dreyfuss
NEW YORK, Sept 19 (Reuters) - Thousands of protesters including former American soldiers rallied outside U.N. headquarters on Tuesday, urging the U.S. government to end the war in Iraq and bring home the troops.
Nearby, about 200 other protesters demonstrated against the presence of the Iranian president, others called for human rights in Myanmar, and just a handful demonstrated to press claims the United States orchestrated the Sept. 11 attacks.
While world leaders gathered at the U.N. General Assembly inside, about 2,000 anti-Iraq war protesters chanted Peace can work, no more war half an hour before U.S. President George W. Bush spoke.
This war has drained the economy and has cost a lot of lives, said Claire Thompson, a nurse and union leader. We're calling on our leaders to end this unsustainable war and just bring the troops back home.
There have been 2,681 U.S. military deaths since the Iraq war began in March 2003, according to Pentagon figures, and 147,000 U.S. troops are serving there. At least tens of thousands of Iraqis also have died in the war.
People in Iraq also want to end the war. We want our country back, said Raed Jarrar, an Iraqi-American who moved to the United States last year.
Iranian-Americans rallied outside the U.N. headquarters, protesting the presence of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at the General Assembly.
I am outraged by the presence of Iran at the U.N. general assembly. I think Ahmadinejad's actions and statements are pushing Iran to war, said Shirin Narunan, a leader of the Ad Hoc Committee to Stop Iran's Nuclear Weapons.
Iran, saying its nuclear program is for civilian purposes, has declined to suspend its uranium enrichment program despite U.N. Security Council demands to do so.
Burmese pro-democracy activists demanded the dissolution of the country's pro-junta organization, the Union Solidarity and Development Association, and the release of opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi who has been in prison since 1990.
A group of protesters claimed that the U.S. government orchestrated the attacks on Sept. 11. Les Jamison, an event coordinator of NY 911 Truth, said the 9/11 tragedy was scripted by the U.S. government to regain military might.
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Big Enormous Sigh.....whatever
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Yeah..sigh..***heart feeling heavy, soul feeling so heavy***, knowing we cant bring our soldiers back who have died for nothing..***my whole being feeling so heavy***.
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Too bad for you that you are so closed minded..sigh..I pray for you.
Sigh.... I know...
I hope it's something my grandchildren will be able to experience.
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Wow, seems like I turned on your spigot of liberal hate.
Yes, I was trying to type doesn't (does not). For some reason, when I type an apostrophe it won't post half of the time hardly justifying the sermon you just preached to me.
You are a mean, hateful person, and I hope you find something more joyful to do than obsess about our president.
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU...
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Yes I know Rx drugs for pain are dispensed for pain and if one takes them as prescribed, one does not get a buzz. The medication acts as it was designed to act. If, however, the person begins to self medicate for whatever reasons, i.e. taking more than prescribed dosage for said pain, soon he will be feeling no pain, that is for sure. Soon he will be feeling good, so good in fact that he will continue on this course for as long as it works out for him. I will never agree that anyone and I mean ANYONE who becomes addicted to any substance did not have a choice in the matter. There comes a time when the addict has no more choices, but that comes much later in the disease process. They will tell you they didn't, they will lie, they will deny and be in denial...that is what addicts do...This is not a case of **when bad things happen to good people.** I disagree and I believe you are simplfying things when you try to separate the addicts based on the course of how they got there.
What in the world makes you think I am obsessed with politics. I don't come on this board for weeks at a time. I have become increasingly frightened these last 6 years as I have watched our country change for the worse but I am not obsessed wtih politics.
My gratitude list, they are all on it...the right-wing screamers that is. You don't get it??? It works for me and that is all that matters because it is my list.
I appreciate prayers from anyone anytime so you guys go right on ahead and pray for me. I would never turn away prayer. Thanks.
I have gone to a **dark place.** YIKES, and I didn't even know it. You have a sore spot about abortion, stem cells, etc., for personal reasons. I have a sore spot about addiction and do not appreciate being told I don't know anything about it and that is for my own personal reasons. What is the difference.
And last but not least, none of what this thread has become from my standpoint anyway had anything to do with stem cells. It could have been any personality promoting any politician for any reason. My point is, was and always has been that Rush blew it big time on this. He was cruel and ugly. He did apologize and it should have stopped there, but as I understand it, he has carried on about MJF every day since (something I read, did not hear it from Rush himself as, if you will recall, I don't listen to him). I am done with this thread. I have ended up talking about things I did not intend to talk about. That happens a lot here, getting off track. So, I stand by what I said. Rush behaved badly and addicts have choices. The end. Aho.
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I appreciate the time spent on your reply but unfortunately you are not seeing the big picture here. I am quite certain there are countries on this planet whose history does not contain genocides or atrocities, there are several that come to mind. However, that is most certainly NOT what I was referring to. As I said, literal micro-analysis was not the point of my posting.
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My friend, my faith has NEVER been in politics. If you will read my posts I have begged people to look at this situation as Americans, not as Democrats or Republicans. I have said I don't know HOW many times that right or left up or down liberal or conservative does not matter. Radical Islam hates us ALL equally. And the fact that you and other liberals just pooh-pooh that idea, after what happened on 9-11...boggles the mind. And then, of all things, try to say that whatever happens is God's will. What MT said was correct....God gave us free will and we need to realize how far reaching our actions or inactions are. If there had been more action during Clinton's 8 years against terrorism and not Ms Lewinsky's black dress and cigars, we would be a long way down the road to safety. But he chose inaction, which paved the way for 9-11. Pardon me if I do not want to see the same thing happen again...because no telling what liberal inaction will bring us to the next time. And it has absolutely nothing to do with God's will and everything to do with man's.
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Did you think that those folks would behave as adults? They are bullying children, after all. You were set up to be mocked and chastised.
Y'know, Teddy, I don't think Lurker needs you to champion her. While I do think she is an intelligent person and gives much thought to her posts and limits personal attacks, which is to her credit, I cannot say the same for you Ms. butt-in-chair use-of-defecation as an adjective....
I do have to say, though, that your posts for the most part have been an eloquent and ethical plea for a more humane world.
Once again, I BEG of you, talk to the terrorists and stop preaching to the choir!
I would think that anyone, no matter their personal ideology, would have been moved, even inspired, to ponder a different manner of viewing our world and our role in it.
When have YOU done that, Teddy? When have you ever viewed the world from a position other than yours? Stop quoting OTHER people and say something ORIGINAL.
This all reminds me of trying to argue/debate with my mother who was a borderline personality (a mental disorder). It's hopeless. You cannot have a straightforward discussion/debate/argument with someone for whom the bounds of reality are constantly shifting as their logic will never be grounded in sane reasoning.
You just described yourself, dear. Do you not read your own posts? Slam your mother on a public board...yep, that tells me a lot about the content of YOUR character.
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"The Republican Congress..." Check the yay and nay vote. The Republicans alone could not do it. There are many, MANY Democrat names on it. Otherwise it would not have passed. Even the most partisan should be able to grasp that. That is the basis of democracy...majority rules. And the Republicans could not have passed it without democratic support. Just could not have happened. So like it or not...BOTH sides responsible for the war.
As to the grossly inaccurate information...if the Senate Intelligence Committee (ahem) bought the same inaccurate evidence the President did, and reported such to the Senate...why do I not see the same degree of disdain for them? They somehow are allowed to be fooled and Bush isn't? Would these same things be being said if the President in question was a Democrat? The answer to that is no.
I did not bring up Somalia, but my husband was there and saw that debacle first hand. Don't even get me started on Clinton and Somalia. He cut and ran there and if he had not, AL Qaeda would not be nearly as strong as it is today. By the same token...if Clinton had taken the Sudan up on their offer, bin Laden would have been in an American jail, not plotting 9-11. Even he has said himself that was his biggest mistake. Gee, Bill, ya think?? But I don't hate Bill Clinton or demonize him.
There is plenty of blame to go around on BOTH sides for most things. Trouble is, most folks look at the issue through blinders...can only see one side.
As I stated on the list of books...written for money by Bush haters for other Bush haters. No interest in the truth.
Democrats launched the protests? I would love to see how that idea is supported. From what I remember, my bet is most of them were not registered and never voted. Did someone card them and I missed that?
LOL. I did not say Clinton invented regime change. All I said was he was on board for it. And Richard Clarke was on board for it when his guy was in office. Bush's BIGGEST mistake was not cleaning house after Clinton left. He kept Clarke and Tenet on. He took their advice. They both at first stood behind the "lying" intelligence. The head of the CIA no less. So please....just let the old "lie" thing die. No body lied.....well with the exception of Tenet and Clarke, because they had been on both sides of the issue, depending on who was their "boss" at the time. Or, as I guess they call in politics now....flip-flopped. Yeah, flip-flopped....like a beached whale.
And my friend...the buck for going to war stops at Congress. All the Democrats and Republicans who voted for it. And if you will check the roll vote...a good many Democrats DID vote for it. Otherwise it would not have passed. Sheesh.
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John McCain did not invent outsourcing. You need to do some research on Mr. and Mrs. Clinton. China and INDIA were big projects for them. You know..INDIA. Where most of our jobs went.
McCain renegotiated a big defense contract that went to an overseas division of an American company so that the actual work would have to be done in the American division...created thousands of jobs on our side of the water.
Without free trade there are no overseas markets for goods manufactured in this country, and a lot of Americans will lose their jobs. But it is okay to lose THOSE jobs?
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You aren't going to change my mind, I'm not going to change yours. But, as I said before, I don't think Obama is running around killing babies yet, and I don't think he is going to. I think McCain supporters are getting a little anxious right now, so they have to try bring up crazy crap in hopes of swaying people their way.
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........sometimes I wonder why we even try.
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sigh..so predictable
and the stories of a half a century ago keep coming..sigh..shall I post ALL THE CRAP that Bush and his family have been involved in? Like the stripper who had an abortion and later was murdered in Texas..she was involved with GW..do we need to post the sins and horrors of our politicians..it would fill this board big time..Now, get along little fool, get along and run on back to the conservative board so you all can rip liberals apart and pat each other on the back about what good xtians you are..NOT..
Sigh....you have condescenion down pat....
for this obviously inferior of intellect Native American, please to explain what the point of your post was?
Sigh..........sighhhhhhhh......
If you read the whole thread, I told Teddy and I will tell you...I was being facetious. I am sorry if you do not know it when you read it. And yes, Teddy did most certainly talk down to me, even more once I told Teddy that I was of native american descent. the first post Teddy made had nothing to do with my post anyway. But once the post was up there, I dissented and wanted to discuss. All Teddy did, which many liberals have done to me and others on this board(and this is not a bash, it is an observation), is never answer the questions asked of them and instead talk down(*I appreciate the time spent on your reply but unfortunately you are not seeing the big picture here. I am quite certain there are countries on this planet whose history does not contain genocides or atrocities, there are several that come to mind. However, that is most certainly NOT what I was referring to. As I said, literal micro-analysis was not the point of my posting.*) When I asked her to please enlighten this poor native american of lesser intellect (being facetious because of her pompous talking down post), I get this answer: *You have the nasty cliches down pat, but I generally tend to avoid cliches, as I generally avoid using the racial/ethnic I'm being picked on because of my race/country of origin/gender/you name it cliche also but I'll make an exception in your case.* I made no nasty cliche. And she did not answer my question, again. But another condescending post: *You don't seem to realize there's a written record of all your posts for folks to review. Many of your posts with other folks are quite strange and don't seem to make much sense.* And never DID answer my question. And no matter how much you deny it, it happens quite regularly. I ask a question, ask for clarification, and I get condescension and no answer. To me, the simple thing to do, if you don't have the answer, is just say so or answer the question without all the condescending rhetoric. There is no need to personalize it. Why can't there just be civil debate? And why do I keep asking that question when I know the answer....but it doesn't matter, because you aren't going to read this anyway.
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