Shutting up voices of dissent...
Posted By: Observer on 2006-12-11
In Reply to: One of the reasons you are not hearing as much sm - LVMT
have you not watched any of the major news outlets? I heard plenty of dissenting. I heard plenty of inneundo, like we do in every administration. The reason you heard about it when Clinton was in office was because he could not keep his hands off women, and when caught not being able to keep his hands off women, lied until the DNA on the black dress proved him to be a liar. Not even close to same thing. If Clinton had behaved himself there would have been nothing to talk about. He could have stopped it all had he just told the truth because his party would have protected him, but no, he lied until the DNA got him.
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Car dealerships are already shutting down
left and right. My dad called me yesterday morning and said Bill Heard Chevrolet in Orlando (I think it's one of the biggest car dealers in Florida) closed it's doors yesterdays. Didn't give their employees their last paycheck, didn't give any clue they were closing down. People were showing up for work and being sent home. Now as far as I know you can only collect up to $275 per paycheck in unemployment in Florida (correct me if I'm wrong) so these folks that were making $800-$900 dollars a paycheck are not going to be able to make it!
But is anyone going to bail them out?
Get your standing shoes, I think we'll be in breadlines very soon!
They don't want debate or dissent, although....
that is the biggest cry from the left, that dissent is good. Unfortunately they only tolerate dissent that THEY agree with. I actually find it quite boring to simply say on my own board and preach to the choir. That's what's fun about politics, the debate and the banter. But I see far less tolerance for differing opinions from the liberals in this country even though they claim to be all for choice and dissent and all those other nifty little words they volley about.
It is not dissent, it is bashing..
The whole gist of your post is bashing. When I complain about bashing of liberals on the liberal board, you reply by bashing even more....and not just bashing me, but all liberals. Why does it bring you so much pleasure to hate so many?
I don't really want an answer, I'll not read any more of your posts, or AG's crowing about you and her slamming the liberals on the liberal board. They are garbage.
Dissent during WWII - A history lesson the right forgot....sm
Dissent during WWII - A history lesson the right forgot.
Posted by ChrisSal on Wednesday June 28, 2006 at 3:04 pm MST [ Send Story to Friend ]
One of the right’s favorite things to do is to compare the Iraq invasion to WWII and Saddam Hussein to Adolph Hitler. They claim that anyone who opposes the war is an appeaser, a terrorist sympathizer, or a traitor. This rhetoric is absolutely laughable not only because it is a huge stretch, but also because Republicans have obviously forgotten their own history.
Following the rejection of the League of Nations treaty in 1919, America developed a strong isolationist foreign policy. This was, perhaps, in response to the expansionist policies put in place by Teddy Roosevelt and the abject horror experienced in WWI. The citizenry wanted nothing more to do with sending its men to fight in foreign conflicts.
However, in 1935 Italy invaded Abyssina, which provided the first real test of America’s isolationist foreign policy. Congress passed the Neutrality Act, applying a mandatory ban on the shipment of arms from the U.S. to any combatant nation. FDR vehemently opposed the bill, but signed it under intense Congressional and public pressure. Two years later, Japan invaded China starting the Sino-Japanese war. As China was our ally and public opinion was favorable, FDR found ways to circumvent the Neutrality Act and assist China. Another two years later Germany invaded Czechoslovakia and began their conquest of Europe.
In May 1940 Germany overran the low countries, which left Britain open to invasion. By the end of 1940, Britain was financially ruined and the isolationist support was beginning to rapidly erode. 1941 brought about the Lend-Lease act and a more aggressive US posture in the Atlantic. Some claim, with some validity, that FDR provoked both Germany, with the US Naval presence in the Atlantic, and Japan, with support to China and crippling embargoes, particularly the oil embargo, into war. For the purpose of this discussion, that is neither here nor there.
As it became more apparent that the US involvement in WWII was going to deepen, a group named ‘America First’ organized to put pressure on FDR to keep America out of the war. “America First” garnered the support of people from across all shades of the political spectrum, but it was the GOP, who hated FDR and everything he did, that started the ball rolling. Twelve days after Pearl Harbor, Sen. Taft (R-OH) gave a speech to the Executive Club in Chicago. He railed against US intervention into WWII and spoke on the need for dissent, particularly during wartime.
As a matter of general principle, I believe there can be no doubt that criticism in time of war is essential to the maintenance of any kind of democratic government ... too many people desire to suppress criticism simply because they think that it will give some comfort to the enemy to know that there is such criticism. If that comfort makes the enemy feel better for a few moments, they are welcome to it as far as I am concerned, because the maintenance of the right of criticism in the long run will do the country maintaining it a great deal more good than it will do the enemy, and will prevent mistakes which might otherwise occur. - Sen. Taft (R-OH) December 19, 1942
So, the next time a rabid right winger claims that opposition to the war is unpatriotic and treasonous, remind them that as Germany rolled through Europe, Japan rolled through the Pacific, and before the fires of Pearl Harbor were extinguished it was conservative Republicans that took the lead in opposing FDR and the American entry into WWII.
who do the voices in your head tell you I am?
Why does it make you feel better to keep telling yourself everyone on this board is pretty much all the same person? Email me as well as the other folks on the board who you also think are me. The truth will emerge if you care to discover it.
i am sensitive to voices too, but
find no 'shriek' in SP's voice...just wondered how in the world you can do the MT job if HER voice 'bothers' you :)
"I hear your voices, and
What do you suppose he meant by that?
They obviously are hearing voices.....
their take on the President's speech last night had some pretty funky twists......
No is ybbil one of the voices in YOUR head.
 More like Sybil.
Jewish Voices For Peace
Not all jews agree with this latest Israeli/Bush aggression, myself included. Check out the web site Jewish Voices For Peace.Org.
nope. its the voices in your head.
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Let's hope this time that the voices
of the American people are heard. If we do not have standing, no one does.
Do YOU have a lonesome, MT? Or is TM one of the newer, dyslexic voices in your head?
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