Shelly: Please vote. You don't have
Posted By: linda on 2008-10-28
In Reply to: scared now - shelly
to choose in every single category, but there are state and local levels that also matter, and don't forget those pesky propositions referable to your local tax base and bond issues. If you feel uncomfortable about choosing a particular candidate or not informed enough to choose,then you can skip that one.
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Sorry to hear that, Shelly....I hate to see you not vote....
there will be third party candidates on the ballots. Check some of them out. Maybe that will offer you an alternative.
I agree neither choice is great, but will vote McCain just as a vote against Obama. nm
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A vote for Ron Paul is a wasted vote. No chance on Earth he can win. sm
Votes for him only take away from the real candidates.
Good point. I don't vote party, I vote for the
person. Every Democrat is not bad and every Republican good or vice versa.
you go shelly!
All the polls still favor Obama.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/
Seems like the last holdouts are on this very board.
Shelly,
You are not alone with your thoughts... my friends and I have discussed this many times and basically feel the way you do.
Shelly, I am not sure but...
I think it is already a mandate that if a hospital receives government reimbursements (Medicare, Medicaid) then they are required to do those procedures now.
Right there with ya Shelly! nm
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oh wow, shelly...........sm
and you said you live in Ohio??? Gosh, I sure hope your vote did count. Is there someone you could call to find out before it is too late?
Hi Shelly....sm
Very good post. I too, am quite concerned, at how eerily similar things are going between these two.
One day, the so-called transparency will not be there, and we will wake up a changed nation.
I do not like the path of change I see unfolding. In just seven short days, he is starting to show who he really is.
I have a friend who lives in Japan. The news they get is ALL positive about Obama, and how he is strong leader and going to change the world. The world. The EU thinks he is the answer to their economic woes. The young person who cuts his hair, wishes Japan had such a wonderful leader.
Well, I sent him an e-mail back with some of the things that they DON'T see in the news over there, and my friend was quite surprised. Propaganda is alive and well in the world, at least in Japan. They believe only the rosy future that the U.S. and the world has, now that Obama is the next president.
I get it, Shelly! You are so right.
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You are absolutely right, Shelly. s/m
Many churches want to take away the right to choose. I'm glad you're not one of them. I don't think the government has any business messing in people's private life to begin with. Abortion shouldn't be an issue anyhow. There are too many forms of birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place. I think it is just another devisive issue.
I don't believe there is such a thing as a moral politician. Whether people are believers or not, the world would be a better place if people used the Bible as a rule book for life. Who could really argue with the rightness of Jesus' teaching, whether or not they profess to being "Christian" or atheist for that matter.
That is ridiculous, shelly!
I cannot believe you are so easily swayed by right-wing propaganda!
Shelly - there are other choices
We've still got over a week til the election. There is a lot you can read up on, and you never know what's going to happen in whatever time is left. I'm not going to say who you should vote for. That is an individual decision you should make. Also note that if you feel very strongly against both candidates there are other choices. Constitutional, Independent, Green party, etc. IMHO, if you want to look on a lighter side of it, just realize that your vote alone if you were to vote for either of them would not be the one that breaks the tie and wins a victory for them, but if you feel very strongly to vote there are other choices. At least you'll feel like you'll have contributed in the voting process but not chosen someone you don't feel strongly against.
Shelly, you're not alone -- sm
I have been discussing this very situation with my husband and close friends. I also am Christian (probably not as faithful as I should be). I supported him in the beginning, up until as recently as a month ago. The more I talked with my friends and read about the prophecies, the more I feared that he is the one the Bible speaks of in Revelations (and not as the messiah). So many of the prophecies seem to be fulfilled, and yet, these same prophecies could have easily been seen to be fulfilled years ago.
I'm more curious as to what your father's thoughts are on these subjects (from a religious perspective). As for me, I need to be able to sleep at night, and if that means voting for McCain, then so be it. I know that when the true Messiah does return on that white horse, I'm going with him. If my vote is borne out of fear, at least it won't be fear of where I'll end up.
shelly -- don't let these posters
discourage you. Keep spreading the word. As a previous O supporter, I knew that he was pro-choice. I did not, however, know to what extreme. I simply thought he chose to support Roe v. Wade, as many do. Had it not been for this board, I never would have researched and found out about the FOCA. There are people on this board who can still be won over. Keep on "harping"!!!
The people who are trying to keep religion out of politics are the same ones trying to keep it out of our schools, our money, and ultimately our homes.
for Shelly: What's wrong with you...
Are you a STALKER?
What for did you pot such a HUGE picture of O's face and eye?
You are scary!
Give it up and do some MTing, but with concentration.
Shelly, just because I tried to help you with spelling, there is
you are very sensitive and I'm sure it is because you are corrected a lot in your job
Don't sweat it Shelly...(sm)
That's just some fool running around trying to start crap. They even called me a racist---and I'm probably the most liberal poster on this board...LOL. They'll get tired sooner or later.
for shelly: I can only go with what is entered
in posted by:.......
I am with you, Shelly. Also, it seems our nation is
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Honestly, Shelly.
You and I almost never see eye to eye on issues (except I agree 100% with your above comment about filibuster) and sometimes the content of sources you post drive me up a wall, but I've been reading your posts long enough to know that you do not typically get nasty and personal and, for the most part, you try to keep yourself out of the attack mode. At least you do a better job of than than I do.
I guess I'm just feeling old, tired, scared and a little sad. Old enough to remember when the country was not so divided. Tired of feeling like I have to be on the defensive all the time and not being able to talk issues instead of constantly having to wade through a mine field of slams and insults when expressing an opposing view. Scared of getting back on the job market after 6 months of unemployment. Sad because I'm missing the good ole days, which I know deep down in my soul will never be coming back.
I forgot frustrated. Frustrated that I find myself full of sarcasm and anger, sometimes for reasons I cannot even understand myself. I've been active in politics since 1966. More than anything, I love a good healthy debate aimed at exchanging differing points of view and oriented toward common ground and goal-setting, destined toward workable solutions. I used to know how to do that and do it well. Now I'm not so sure I will ever regain that part of myself and I really, really miss that one simple pleasure. Any suggestions?
Shelly, what a beautiful answer! sm
It shows you have had time to come to conclusions, not just answering off the cuff like me. Good for you!
It is scary Shelly. And sad. I don't know what is going to happen either sm
All we can do is pray. I had no idea it had gotten that bad even in the military.
to shelly: Can't you give it a rest?
Are you obsessed with the idea to catch our President-elect in an evil act? What's wrong with you?
President-elect has the right to actions WITHOUT divulging every little petty detail IMMEDIATELY to the press and the people.
After all he is the President-elect and the majority of the people voted for him, not only here in the US, globally he was sponsored as the future President of the United States.
SHOW SOME RESPECT and look for something else to keep you occupied.
Good old Shelly, can dish it out but can't take it
funny !!!! I think the other person was just trying to help and Shelly and Kendra, both cannot spell.... but they jumped crazy like right off the bus from crazytown..looney tunes
Be careful Shelly, we might actually agree on something...LOL (nm)
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No, Shelly, we're not *cramming away*...(sm)
If we were, I would post the same kind of rhetoric that you guys do on this board. How many times have christians on this board defended the pro-life stance and other political ideas with the Bible? I can't even count them. If I were *cramming away* like you guys do, then I would post my real feelings when things like that come up. For example....there is no god, so why should our politics be subject to a philosophy interpreted from a 2000-year-old ghost story? I would also post the name *christian* in a derogatory manner, the same way you guys do with the name *athiest.* I haven't posted things like that on the political forum out of respect for others who do not believe as I do. Meanwhile, I am constantly harrassed on here because of my beliefs by christians, which usually include some kind of biblical verse, BTW. There is no such thing as the term *fair* when it comes to christianity. It comes with the idea of my way or no way. You want to raise cane about a bus sign with an athiest content, but it's okay for the rest of us to have to put up with all the christian crap that is EVERYWHERE. That's not compromise, it's not equality, it's not freedom of religion....it is pure and unadulterated abuse of power by christians. You guys scream foul play when it comes to any other advertisement besides your own, but we are just supposed to stand by and take what you dish out.....the perfect example being the catholic commercial, which not only pushes religion, but also pushes the christian ideology into politics. Give me a break.
Sorry Shelly, but the common thread
parental responsibility versus government interference. You folks can't have it both ways. I have no problem, big or otherwise, understanding these concepts, but you, on the other hand, need to take off those blinders. Government interference in responsible parenting applies to both situations in exactly the same context, that being one of expecting laws to act as the eyes, ears and voices of reason for parents on behalf of their children.
What's that you say? Parents don't have time to be with their children while in the library? Huh? If they don't, what makes you think the government sould be held responsible for this?
I'm not interested in straw issues. Rather, I want to see the constitutional ban on government censorship enforced with clenched teeth while parents stop whining and expecting government to do their jobs for them. Government censorship is a steep and slippery slope. I can't think of ANYTHING that poses more of a threat to our democracy than that and am happy to see a deputy AG nominee who understands that.
News flash, Shelly.
There are millions of people who believe in the concept of God and not all of them believe in the same God you claim to believe in. It may be "your" one and only true God, but you cannot speak for anyone else.
Knock yourself out, Shelly, but just remember
None of the people you are praying for gives a rats behind about it. Your prayers are self-serving and meaningless to those of us don't believe what you believe and would rather not be included in your little prayer fest!
Then you need to vote for Obama. A vote for McCain will...sm
not help you. Obama wants to give tax relief to 90% of Americans who earn 1% of the gross earnings in this country. The top 1% of earners bring in 90% of earnings. Any one person who earns $250,000 or less will benefit from Obama's tax plan.
they didn't vote - they registered to vote -
that is a big difference. The votes were not counted, they were stopped by the means in which they were supposed to be stopped - ID verification, address verification, etc. The cards were filled out by the ACORN workers and then given to the proper authorities to sort through.
The phony registrations were pulled out by the actual authorities. ACORN is just a middle man.
We get what we vote for. If we vote "party", we get extremes.
If we make it a point to try to identify candidates who hold moderate views and vote for them, rather than voting a "party ticket", we'll have a better chance of getting away from these extremes, whether right or left.
One of the problems, though, is that candidates often play games with their real positions. During the primaries, they talk the "party" line and then they move to the center for the general election. Both sides do this, unfortunately.
The only hope is to look at their past records - and take them seriously. History is prologue to the future. When a man has done certain things in his adult life, it tells us more about him than anything he says. If Obama hasn't taught us this fundamental truth, we'll never learn it. The evidence about him goes all the way back to his days in law school, and it was available for anyone to see. Some didn't bother to look. Others looked and didn't take it seriously. Either way, we weren't paying attention or he'd have probably never made it through the primaries.
No one can pull the wool over your eyes unless you let them, and the way they do it is by making smooth speeches filled with unlikely promises (and even glaring contradictions as they appeal to groups with opposite interests). They believe we won't notice the lies, exaggerations and mischaracterizations of their opponent's positions, etc. Unfortunately, they are often right.
Let's start taking the candidates' prior records and their life histories as the best evidence of who they really are - not their speeches. If we do this, we'll make better choices.
Okay...I think most of you have misunderstood the question (excluding Shelly) (sm)
I am not saying anything about christianity, christians, the Bible, Muslims or any other faith. What I am doing is pointing out the ridiculous idea that the republican party would paint someone as a Muslim while at the same time claiming he is a member of a Christian church. That's it. I'm questioning negative attacks that have been directed at Obama and have been repeated here on this board. Personally, as most of you know, I am an athiest, so I really don't care what religion the man is. I'm more interested in his ability to govern (which I happen to think will improve this country). However, as recent as TODAY (after the election) there are still people on this board going on about his religion. I don't think I can be any more clear that that.
You are driving them nuts with the truth, Shelly.
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I didn't see where Shelly has attacked people unless
they attacked her first, and then she tried to explain the first post in simple English.
This is the most I have posted on this board in the last 2 months but I just can't take all attacks against people just because they voted for the pubs. I said it yesterday, and I'll say it again today, STOP THE BASHING. IT DOESN'T GET YOU ANYWHERE. All it causes is hate.
P.S. Mrs. M is the one of the worse on here. I have never seen her post before today or yesterday (didn't look at the dates). I think she's just trying to stir the pot.
I did not make mistakes, Kendra/Shelly did
over and over and I was just trying to help because after all, we are all professionals... I thought
Amen, shelly! Not many are born with a good job or making a...
lot of money. Most of us worked real hard to get where we are. As did most small businesses. If they want to help those "lower income" folks, give them a JOB, not a handout. Help them stand up, don't hold them down. If Obama REALLY cared about them, THAT is what he would do. He brags that he had no help and look where HE is. They have the same shot HE did. They just need a shot of ambition, not a handout. Geez. lol.
Shelly just got called a *poor poodle*...ROFL....
Excuse me Shelly but aren't you the one who likes Palin ? bwaaahahahah sm
You speak volumes about your own brilliance, liking Bush and Palin. Ridiculous. Well YOU LOST AND EVEN THQT TWIT HASSELBECK IS BACKING OBAMA NOW. Time for you to fix your image a little and look patriotic.
Stop whining. The election is over.
She's got my vote
Nominate Cindy Sheehan for Time Magazine Person of the Year - Pass it on!
I'd vote for him
as long as he is a real man and not some man who cowers to every poll or what his wife tells him to do. We need more real men in this country who say what they do and do what they say. I think men are tired of being disrespected and not being, well, men. I think you are right. We as a people need to elect and everyday fly-over-country Joe to the presidency. The type of Joe that still realizes what made this country great. God, glory, and guts. My pastor was just commenting on that this morning.
vote war?
If you like war, empire building, big government then you are safe in voting for any of the candidates running for the presidential office, except for one: Ron Paul.
The agendas are all headed in the same direction, so you really do not have to worry about which one to vote for for.
Ron Paul is the only candidate with a different agenda. And of course, should he win, he cannot make changes overnight. But he could lead us in the direction of limited government, sound money, peace and constitutional law. Paul's ideas and principles are not new, but are similar to those of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and others.
I will vote Ron Paul.
I will vote for either one.
I consider it my job to get a dem elected this time, that's why I don't take part in the arguments about them.
don't vote
Please don't vote. If you can't see all the atrocious things that our current tyrant (err I mean president) has done and how he has damaged America in the world, please don't vote. I would really hate to see someone who has never bothered to open their eyes to the way the world is and taken the time to educate themselves in politics or world issues voting for someone in this election. I think all those people should just stay home because they have no idea what they are voting for or what that person might stand for.
And btw, if anyone was the antichrist it would be Bush and McCain. D-E-V-I-L.
Don't vote?
Who are you to decide who should vote and who should not? Just because people don't have the same political beliefs you do doesn't mean they should sit home on election day! Sounds like if you had your way, we'd still be singing God Save the Queen!
Why vote at all
People have been "dumbed down" into believing they have to vote. Why doesn't anyone realize...our vote doesn't count. There's no way I'll vote for McCain and I'm not sure about Obama. My no vote for me is a statement. Sure you can write in anyone you want, you can say none of the above but why even bother. It's not going to make a difference. Those ballots will just be thrown in the trash without a second thought. Whoever is our next president has already been picked. We're just watching the side show until the election day. Then it will be reported to make it look to the people that we have a say in who is elected president. The simple truth is we don't. I was talking to my dad and he said this year he's not going to vote. He told a co-worker why do you feel you have to vote, it does no good. But unfortunately a lot of people think the same way - that their vote counts. I'm not voting and then if something gets messed up none of my family or friends can "blame" me that I voted for him. So my choice this year is to not vote.
Vote
I am African American born in 1958. The Voting Rights Act was passed in 1965. I remember my father telling me to always vote. I will never give up my right to vote even if others think our vote does not count. There was a time when my parents could not vote at all. I will think long and hard on who to vote for and will vote for the lesser of two evils.
I vote Dem because I believe
in the principles they stand for. I am not against voting for a repub . . . just have never seen one whose priorities are the same as mine. If they did have same priorities, they would be a democrat. Flame away.
Why would the DNC want you to vote?
To support THEIR agenda of course! lol
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