Sadly the blame game is what we
Posted By: Chele on 2008-09-26
In Reply to: I have learned so much about the economy over...sm - oldtimer
get to hear the most instead of actual plans and solutions to this that won't end up screwing us in the end.
I've learned more about the economy than I ever have in the past couple of days. Makes me wish I'd have listened in economics in high school. Hind sight is 20/20. LOL!
Have a great day!
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All you can do is the blame game. Then you better
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Thank you! That's BB's gig. Blame game
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The blame game president
Ain't it funny how the winger spin is one of this is SO not the time to point fingers, you liberal vultures! - Yet we're being buried 24/7 by wingers falling all over themselves to cry that the blame is on the state and local officials, and worse, on the victims themselves.
I find the current they'll find better lives elsewhere murmuring really chilling. Combined with Hastert's early assertion that NO shouldn't be rebuilt, the recent talk of mandatory evacuation at gunpoint of the survivors who don't want to go, and the repeated refusal of FEMA to allow anyone (ever ministers!)to enter even the dry areas of the city if their mission is to alleviate suffering - to me it looks like the stage is being set for one of two possiblities:
1. Big oil gets the land because it's known that the area under NO is a rich pocket of oil reserves; and
2. The casino racket gets the land because they've always wanted to make NO the Las Vegas of the south.
If either of these interests get the prize, we have to wonder...how much did the slow reaction of the federal govt. which seemed to increase casualties rather than reduce them, have to do with dollar signs in their eyes as they saw the poor population finally being displaced? Horrible thought, I know. And pure conjecture, but we will see how it turns out. If they rebuild the city and the people can come home, fine. But I don't think that is what is going to happen.
No blame game here. Hello. It's the cold
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I'm tired of the blame game myself.
Just fix this. Come up with a plan that is good. Don't just vote for the first plan that is thrown onto the table. Take the weekend to think it through and pick the plan that will give us the best chance to recover from this mess. Don't allow CEOs to walk away unscathed with their pockets lined with money. Why reward crooks?
This is no partisan blame game.
long saga of voter registration/voter fraud, election and campaign finance reform. Left-wing progressives have been focusing on this issue since 2000 but so far, nobody has listened because they are so busy dismissing them for being lefties. It is that id of partisan division and bickering that at the moment has our country so frozen up with spite that we cannot even managed to put together a clean election. We have no business trying to bring democracy to any other developing or third world countries until we at least get this part of our own back yard cleaned up. In terms of THIS election, 18 days before D-Day...a litle late in the game.
Don't much care for that blame game.
throwing out a well established fact. 401Ks lost 38% of their value in the past month. I said not one single thing about who was responsible for that. It's not my place. Voters will make up their own minds about that. My comment in the previous post was directed at the slimey, rock-bottom campaign tactics that seem to have no end in sight, desipte the overwhelming evidence that it is ruining McCain's chances of winning this election. When they start invading my privacy, it's time to take a stand....against the invasion and in support of the candidate whose campaign does not feel compelled to ignite culture wars and play on fear with wildly unfounded accusations.
Blame game is for pubs, not me.
Your glass mansion is bigger than our glass hut.
I'm less worried about the blame game....(sm)
and more worried about what she is saying now. Just the other day she had the audacity to say that she would glad to help and support Obama and yet in the same interview reiiterated that she is still worried about his associations with terrorists. She's not getting any smarter. In fact, the more interviews she does, the worse she looks.
Stop the blame game. How to fix it is the question. nm
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Stop playing the blame game!
There are millions of people who were not "sucked" into buying more house than they could afford. Unfortunately, many people got greedy and bit off more than they could chew. It is very easy to blame someone else for your bad judgment, but the bottom line is that you have to take responsibility for your own actions. Smoke that!
I can understand fully why you don't want to play the blame game...
considering where the blame falls. If those were all Republicans in the dam*ing video, would you be on this board saying stop the blame game? I think NOT. Where is accountability? You should be fighting mad about this...and demanding accountability from your party members who brought this down on us. I do not understand that. You want to hang Bush out to dry for every little wrong, and here we face the biggest financial crisis in decades, and the evidence is irrefutable Democrats on the hill are responsible..yet you give THEM a pass. WHY is that?
Don't blame Obama for the coins...blame the Franklin Mint!
The Franklin Mint has an entire series of presidential coins that are tacky and cheap looking just like everything else they manufacture.
Let's blame Clinton...Let's blame Obama.
The FACT is that Bush BECAME prez on 01/20/01. He was told by Clinton to beware!! It was Bush's duty to know, to care what was going on.... the FACT is he didn't give a rat's patooty!!! FACT is he was on vacation most of his first 7 months in office. The FACT is he stared into space for 7 minutes after being told America was under attack while kindergarteners were reading "MY PET GOAT." I am so sick of the LIES you people want to ram down my throat. And when Obama takes office, God-willing, I am positive he will be under a microscope like NO president has ever been as there is a different standard set for him and never has a president-elect undergone so much criticisizm BEFORE taking office.
Sadly, no.
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Sadly....
to some Americans, we will never be "color blind" and the race card will still fly frequently by some people.
Also, it is sad that even though some of us see that Obama is inexperienced and how that has hurt us, etc......there are many that still love the fool. I guess it will take, God forbid, another terrorist attack on US soil or our economy to totally collapse before people get a clue. Although I'm sure they will still give Obama the thumbs up because....hey.....this is ALL Bush's fault....remember? Can someone please pass the kool-aid around?
Sadly, the first thing...
I thought when I heard **foiled terror plot** was Wag the Dog. I do not believe that this is a hoax in any way, but it is certainly distressing when the first entity you suspect in any cover up or any **make up stuff** is your own government. The timing was what made me think that. With W's popularity in the toilet, over half of Americans wanting out of the war and Lamont winning in Connecticut, without something to distract us, the Lamont win and what it means could have taken over the news for some time to come. Can't have that. Now we are not thinking about Iraq, Lebanon, Hezbollah, Israel or changing the face of our House and Senate in November. We are all focused on the terrorists again. Same thing with BP. Very much like Enron, all of a sudden they have to close down the oil pipe and CA gets hit the hardest. BP makes tons of money, we all begin to think drilling anywhere is okay. The administration is happy. The oil companies are happy. I did hear that BP is going to try to keep the pipe open now while they do repairs. There was SOOOOO much criticism about the timing and the fact that they have known for years that the pipe is corroded that they have been forced to do something different. Anyway, I believe that the deal at Heathrow was the real thing, not a ploy in any way. I trust the British and Scotland yard much more than I do this administration and the CIA/FBI. It is just disturbing that it has come to this. I take everything I hear with a grain of salt until it is proven to me to be true. I used to trust my government but I fear them now. I just hope we are all still here in November 2008.
Sadly this is so true
Like I said, this is a high school class president campaign, not a USA presidential campaign. What he promises he cannot deliver.
Are there any adjectives besides sad and sadly? n/m
Sweet! Sadly, I think you are right. I need a better job. LOL nm
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Sadly, some of the senators, if not all,
think we DO want this. Doesn't matter how many calls they get. They think we just love mortgaging ourselves, our children, and our grandchildren.
There are a few that are fighting against the bill as it stands but....and I know a certain person will blast me for this but Schumer, Dodd, and Kerry absolutely screamed today that this package is what HAS to pass. Schumer stated right out that it's what the people want. Kerry stated there was no reason to cut anything from it. Dodd stated that the TARP package has money in it to help with the mortgage debaucle so why they want amendments to the tune of $9B in this one was beyond him.
So, if there is money in TARP for the homeowners, why aren't the homeowners being helped? No rocket science in that. The banks and Wall Street are keeping it.
They just don't get it.
Sadly, most don't have a clue and
don't really care what got us in this mess. Banks and mortgage companies were forced to give subprime loans because the democrats wanted EVERYBODY to have house, whether they could afford it or not, giving everyone the belief they were somehow entitled to a home, money or no money. The law was pushed by the democratic party (for those who bother to read it) and it became law that the banks HAD to make these loans AND the law put in place these institutions making money on these worthless pieces of paper. They were forced to do the business with those who had no business in there in the first place getting a loan. And for those who knew they were living beyond their means and even lying about the income, they should have to bear the burden of their stupidity. I do not feel the least bit responsible for keeping them in their home. We live well below what a bank told us we could afford and we have......better safe than sorry!
For all those that think free handouts somehow will make a better country for us and hitting companies that employ with MORE taxes and treating those who are fortunate enough to be rich as if rich is a bad word and going after their income, do those same people EVER stop to ask themselves who the heck pays their assistance!!! It's those who have more money.....duh!! If you didn't have them, you wouldn't have your free money in the first place but lets certainly not discuss that, Heaven forbid!
I'm glad you see the writing on the wall but I'm afraid for those who voted for Obama who are now changing their tune are realizing all too late they have been screwed.
Sadly enough there are those that live in the same make
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I sadly enough agree with you Gourdpainter
I think the ugliness has barely begun. Truth will out in the end, it always does.
Sadly, this is reality in my state, also......nm
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Exactly! Sadly, Americans cant seem to wake up.
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You're right. Sadly enough you've wasted your
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It is disgusting, huh? Sadly, I have lost faith
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Sadly, there are plenty of wimpy miserable little
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I think sadly you are right, I always thought that if I would vote Republican, it would be for McCai
and believe he really wants to do good for this country; my own thought was that he was advised, after seeing all the disillusioned Hillary supporters who were not completely sold on Barack yet, that he should pick a female running mate, scoop up all the disappointed Hillary supporters who would want a female in the White House, and it all blew up, Ms. Palin was just not an intelligent choice as running mate, she brought him down, and I think it all snowballed so quickly that all Mr. McCain could do was watch as the snowball hit bottom and disintegrated. But I believe he is a very good Senator.
Sadly, common sense and good behavior...........sm
are seldom rewarded but highly expected and those who practice sound financial habits are often not given the breaks that those who do not are given. It just seems harsh to say "screw them" when one may not know the circumstances and when there may be children involved who would be homeless through no fault of their own. Guess I'm just a little tender-hearted about that.
Sadly, the haters started to hate him way before he even took office....sm
I have mixed views here, but I found it amazing, as I read this board around election time, and then shortly thereafter, that all the Bushwackers and Right Wingers were already condemning and DOOMING the Obama administration....way before the man even took the oath of office! Now George had 8+ years to do good for this country, to help the economy, the reach out to the poor, to upgrade the educational system, and what did his administration do? Let's see, instead of getting Bin Ladin, we spend billions and billions, and thousands of precious lives, on a war with Iraq for those infamous invisible WMDs which no one could find, and which was reported to the President ahead of time. We have made most of the world hate us for our arrogance and stupidity. He let Wall Street run amok and watched the country go down in ashes....stop bashing Obama, no he is not God, he is not perfect, he has faults, he will make mistakes inevitably (and I am not fond of several things in the stimulus bill), but by God give him a chance, he has barely been in office a MONTH versus 8 excruciating, embarrassing years with the Bush gang, support him as our American President, and stop DOOMING his administration before he even gets a chance. Sorry, off my worn-out soap box now!
the Name Game...........sm
Probably a little before your time. LOL
I'm game.........sm
I've always said "Yank that Golden Fleece Retirement Program and see how fast they fix the mess!" I'm hacked at my Reps and Senators anyway, so I might as well give them an earful. (BTW, mine are some of the same ones as the author of this article, so they need a double earful!)
The name game is always
fun. We always particularly enjoyed the names Chuck and Ruby. LMAO!!!
You know my game? You don't even know your own words.
I responded directly to your post and quoted your own name calling words, but you don't know what I'm talking about?!
No, not a conspiracy....it is a game that...
the poster enjoys...though one of the standard lines is "I won't play your game" and then does exactly that. Frankly, I could not care less. The posts all say the same thing, in the flowery elitist condescending language...should be patently obvious to anyone who would like to go into the archives. But it does not really matter...the poster has made it personal, and the posts are in direct opposition to everything the posterior states are liberal qualities.
I came on this board a few weeks ago and just asked posters to define what they viewed as a "liberal." I got varying descriptions...and then I got a couple of posters who said there were no true liberals in the Democratic party. And based on the description of liberal ideals of other posters, and applying that to how those same posters post...I am left with the idea that that person...the one who said there were no true liberals in the Democratic party...is probably the closest to the truth. LINOs I guess. Liberals in name only.
Have a good day.
Hating the game
Maybe it is not hatred, just failure to understand the hypocrisy and warped logic of those who seem to hold her in such high esteem. As the following indicates, both she and Senator McCaine come out sorely lacking in many regards.
I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight.....
If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're 'exotic, different.' Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, a quintessential American story.
If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim. Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.
Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable. Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.
If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.
If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive.
If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian. If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.
If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society. If , while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible.
If your wife is a Harvard graduate laywer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's. If you're husband is nicknamed 'First Dude', with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.
OK, much clearer now.
It's a little late in the game, isn't it?
Poll: Early in the game but.sm
Who will get the Democratic nomination, and who will that person pick for a running mate?
Who will get the Republican nomination, and who will that person pick as a running mate?
Winner gets a 22K gold-plated crystal ball, and the top position on Wall Street..!!!l
So you still think that children are fair game...
I would say that definitely has to do with bottom feeders. But if Obama's followers continue this...it will not help his case with the average American and he knows it. He is asking you not to deep six is campaign. I, however, say go for it. Smear and fear, go after Palin and her pregnant daughter. get right down there on the bottom and chomp.
Pub regime - loser game
The dems don't have a large enough majority to override a presidential veto. They don't have enough votes in the senate to override a filibuster. Therefore, the pubs can kill their legislation, STILL.
Intentional Intelligence is my game!
I am way too smart to let your feeble attempts at right-wing propaganda affect the decisions I make regarding this election. I consider the source and do not give you a second thought! I have seen you repeat your talking points over and over and over again, hoping that if you repeat them often enough people will somehow believe that they are true. Well you don't fool me! You will have to find some of your Joe six-pack buddies and try to sell your line of crap to them. I am with the elite group!
Oh pleeeze........don't play that game
You have name called left and right on this board and you know exactly what you were doing but you didn't hear anyone scream MODERATOR, even though you were definitely name calling and it was racially intended. Just because some have thicker skin and overlook your nasty comments does not mean they were not racially motivated.
Even then, rabid republicans and creepublicans is nasty....I suppose it's what you consider nasty and racist, huh?
Other interesting "Name Game"
Alice, Dallas, Tucker, Buck, Huck, Bart, Art, Mitch, Rich, Richie, and Maggie
From Alaska fish and game website....
Wolves and bears are very effective and efficient predators on caribou, moose, deer and other wildlife. In most of Alaska, humans also rely on the same species for food. In Alaska's Interior, predators kill more than 80 percent of the moose and caribou that die during an average year, while humans kill less than 10 percent. In most of the state, predation holds prey populations at levels far below what could be supported by the habitat in the area. Predation is an important part of the ecosystem, and all ADF&G wolf management programs, including control programs, are designed to sustain wolf populations in the future.
The Alaska Board of Game approves wildlife regulations through a public participation process. When the Board determines that people need more moose and/or caribou in a particular area, and restrictions on hunting aren't enough to allow prey populations to increase, predator control programs may be needed. Wolf hunting and trapping rarely reduces wolf numbers enough to increase prey numbers or harvests.
Currently, five wolf control programs are underway that comprises about 9.4% of Alaska's land area. The programs use a closely controlled permit system allowing aerial or same day airborne methods to remove wolves in designated areas. In these areas, wolf numbers will be temporarily reduced, but wolves will not be permanently eliminated from any area. Successful programs allow humans to take more moose, and healthy populations of wolves to continue to thrive in Alaska.
Click on links below to learn more about wolves and predator-prey relationships.
NO! You mean Obama is playing a shell game?
It's just too simple and too obvious. All the obots here won't be able to compute that information. It'll have to come up a bit 'em in the butt!
Obama started the race card game all by his
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blame
September 1, 2005 Conservatives Helped This Happen by Dan Pashman, Senior Producer, Morning Sedition
As terrible as it is, this attack could be miniscule if, in fact, God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve. The ACLU's got to take a lot of the blame for this…The abortionists have got to bear some of the burden for this because God will not be mocked…I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians…all of them who have tried to secularize America, I point the finger in their face and say, 'you helped this happen.' - Rev. Jerry Falwell, September 13, 2001
Who can forget Jerry Falwell's infamous post-9/11 indictment of America? 'You helped this happen,' Falwell said to the majority of Americans, who disagree with him on a majority of issues.
Now, a conservative group called Columbia Christians for Life has proclaimed that Hurricane Katrina was another one of God's punishments, citing as evidence the supposed resemblance between the hurricane's image on a weather map, and a fetus.
Trying to refute such claims from these zealots is truly an exercise in futility. But searching for explanations after a disaster of Katrina's magnitude is not. And if you do in fact search for those explanations, you'll reach an unavoidable conclusion:
Hurricane Katrina may have been an act of God. But the level of death and destruction it caused was not. That was an act of conservatism.
It is conservative policies that made this natural disaster unnaturally catastrophic. I say to conservatives, you have blood on your hands today. I point the finger in your face and say, You helped this happen.
Conservative policies have led to an increase in poverty across the nation, especially in New Orleans, one of the poorest major cities in America. About 150,000 people in New Orleans lived below the poverty line before Katrina, 100,000 of them in abject poverty, making less than $8,000 a year. Their poverty left them with nowhere to go, and no means of escape, as the hurricane bore down on their homes.
Conservative policies have led to more global warming, which scientists agree has already begun producing more intense hurricanes and storms. Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour, a former Republican Party Chairman and longtime GOP operative, has seen his own state ravaged by Katrina. But he was vital in helping to convince the Bush administration to squash the Kyoto Protocol on climate change, and pushed Bush to go back on his campaign promise to regulate carbon dioxide. Governor Barbour would dare express grief over the deaths that he himself enabled.
Conservative policies have led to a war in Iraq based on lies, and tax cuts for the rich, both of which, we know for a fact, took money directly away from vital hurricane preparedness work in New Orleans. On nine occasions in 2004 and 2005, The New Orleans Times-Picayune specifically cited the cost of the Iraq War as a reason for the shortfall in hurricane- and flood-control funds. The levees that gave way under Katrina's pressure were supposed to be upgraded with money that ended up in Halliburton’s coffers.
Conservative policies have also led to the National Guard's misuse and abuse, leaving the Gulf Coast without the personnel and equipment vital to a recovery effort of this magnitude. More people will die on the Gulf Coast as they await their would-be saviors, who are in Iraq, victims themselves of conservative policies.
There can be no doubt that while Hurricane Katrina was not preventable, much of the death and destruction left in its wake was. I say to conservatives, you have blood on your hands today. I point the finger in your face and say, You helped this happen.
Blame must go somewhere.
So you put it solely on the poor themselves? More people in this country are slipping into poverty every day - whole families of them, fathers included. That was a good thoughtful post and I thank you for writing it but hope you will take a moment to consider another side.
While throwing money at a problem is not guaranteed to fix it, one thing is for sure - throwing billions to the already obscenely rich is sure as heck not going to fix the root cause of any social disorder.
If we want to really get to the root cause of poverty in our society (which I agree is a good idea) we must not exclude the role that capitalism itself plays in not only producing a permanently disadvantaged underclass, but also in keeping it that way. A fair and impartial look at our laws and operating procedures is enough to convince anyone that things are just the way the movers and shakers want them to be. And, you are correct that only the very most motivated and exceptionally gifted will make it out of the morass. That's also the way it's supposed to be, father or no father. Social Darwinism - the cream rises.
Trouble is, we can't all be the cream. It's unreasonable to expect that of everyone. But this is the society that free market capitalism builds. It's going to get worse, too. The next step is a bonding of purpose between the corporate oligarchy and the government itself, and the next step after that is a military police state run by those who consider themselves the cream - in other words, just another banana republic, the very antithesis of what America should be.
Now I don't know about you but I don't think this is the direction America should take and I don't think for a minute it's the result of poor kids having no fathers. That may leave them more vulnerable and more easily manipulated, but it's hardly on their backs. Everyone who's not the cream is victimized in the kind of society that values money and power above everything else.
Right now there are billions upon billions of dollars being handed over not to the poor but to that handful of defense corporations powerful enough to rub elbows with Bush and his cronies. That is where America's money is going and that's where it's going to continue to go as long as we support a government that delights in making itself and its friends wealthy at the expense of everyone else in America.
You know what and who is to blame, don't you?
Deregulation schemes ala John McCain, George Bush, and the Republican Party.
Doesn't that make you and your husband the least bit interested in trying to help change this dire economic situation by changing parties?
If McCain is elected, there is no doubt in my mind that this country will see another great depression, possibly worse than the one that began in 1929.
Heaven help us all!
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