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Right on...freedom of speech...how dare we have that right

Posted By: nm on 2008-09-14
In Reply to: why not have him fired, I mean how dare he? - MTPockets

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Freedom of speech, LOL
Freedom of speech?  To get up there and state you believe A WHOLE SOCIETY OF PEOPLE, A WHOLE ETHNICITY OF PEOPLE OUGHT TO BE ABORTED?  Yet, you people jump all over Cindy Sheehan when she rags on Bush, LOL..You jump all over anti war people when we scream..STOP THIS WAR..But NOW you are stating freedom of speech..LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL..Better to shut up now about Bennett, cause you sure are looking silly..
Ah, yes. Freedom of speech.

I remember it well. 


It was a cute joke.  In case any of you missed it before it was removed from the board, one of the many places it can be found is http://www.justpetehere.com/2004/11/george_bush_pas.html.


Better do it quickly, though, because this post is sure to be removed as soon as the Cons start whining again.


freedom of speech

 Check out the St. Pete Times, Sunday, 11/13/05, The Perspective, article by Robin Blummer. Sorry I don't have the link but it is easy to find. Talk about scary. By the way, I see that there are a number of comments to posts listed on the board but they are not available to see. Is this a new policy...we know people read or responded but we can't see what the response is?


do you or do you not believe in freedom of speech....
and do you or do you not believe in the right of people to have opinions different from those and voice them? Is someone holding a gun to your head and forcing you to read my posts? You might be more comfortable in Russia where it is the policy of the counry to control thought that does not agree with the party line.
Freedom of speech.
Freedom of speech is freedom to all.

When watching TV if there is something I don't like I change the channel. I would suggest you do the same on this board instead of trying to silence those you don't agree with.

Keep on postin sam - you must be hitting home if there are those who want to silence you.
So is freedom of speech.
If the lady wants to talk about religion, so what? It's not like she's gonna get into office and make us all abide by her religion - Pa-leeeze!!!
Freedom of Speech? Think Again.

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  • freedom of speech
    Hillary said that Bill always was a hard dog to keep on the porch. So what. At least we weren't embroiled in an unjustified war, we had a SURPLUS in the treasury and the whole country wasn't going to the dogs. I believe in the 1st amendment - she can say whatever she wants. Take some cojones to talk about propriety................look at dubya and turd blossom.
    Who's denying her freedom of speech.sm
    What you guys want is for her freedom of speech to go unanswered. Since she is an army mom then we should worship her and allow her to dump on us because of our beliefs.

    If she wants praise and high-fives she should be posting on the conservative board.
    Its called freedom of speech
    Hey, neocons, its called freedom of speech..part of our Constitution. Dont like it, dont read the posts, dont come on the liberal board to cause trouble..stay where you are safe on your own board..
    Called freedom of speech....
    both sides here have posted letters and blogs from private citizens. There are a lot of true things in the letter as well. Just to be fair.
    Good for you - freedom speech
    That's what I say! I'm not wild about Rush, and I can only take so much of Sean, but I do like a lot of conservatives who tell it like it is. Absolutely love Michael Savage (even though he is independent). I will also listen to Alan Colmes, Keith Olberman, and Rachel Maddow. I listen to them all and make my own decisions based on what I hear. I don't go with the party line telling me what I'm supposed to think and how I'm supposed to vote.
    It's called Freedom of Speech. sm
    and if you don't care what she has to say, then don't waste YOUR time responding.  Enjoy your popcorn!!
    it is called freedom of speech - nm
    nm
    It is not slander. It is freedom of speech

    Generally speaking, defamation is the issuance of a false statement about another person, which causes that person to suffer harm. Slander involves the making of defamatory statements by a transitory (non-fixed) representation, usually an oral (spoken) representation.Typically, the elements of a cause of action for defamation include:



    1. A false and defamatory statement concerning another;
    2. The unprivileged publication of the statement to a third party (that is, somebody other than the person defamed by the statement);
    3. If the defamatory matter is of public concern, fault amounting at least to negligence on the part of the publisher; and
    4. Damage to the plaintiff.

    A defense recognized in most jurisdictions is "opinion". If the person makes a statement of opinion as opposed to fact, the statement may not support a cause of action for defamation. Whether a statement is viewed as an expression of fact or opinion can depend upon context - that is, whether or not the person making the statement would be perceived by the community as being in a position to know whether or not it is true


    Example:  A defense similar to opinion is "fair comment on a matter of public interest". If the mayor of a town is involved in a corruption scandal, expressing the opinion that you believe the allegations are true is not likely to support a cause of action for defamation.


    Under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, as set forth by the U.S. Supreme Court in the 1964 Case, New York Times v Sullivan, where a public figure attempts to bring an action for defamation, the public figure must prove an additional element: That the statement was made with "actual malice". In translation, that means that the person making the statement knew the statement to be false, or issued the statement with reckless disregard as to its truth. For example, Ariel Sharon sued Time Magazine over allegations of his conduct relating to the massacres at the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps. Although the jury concluded that the Time story included false allegations, they found that Time had not acted with "actual malice" and did not award any damages.


    I.E., what the poster stated was freedom of speech, not slander, libel or defamation of character. It is a known fact that O hung around with not-so-nice people until he ran for President. Is that slander? Nope.


    The poster was giving an opinion. That is freedom of speech. If it was slander, O would have be having a lot of lawsuits on his hands towards all the people who have ever stated anything against him, which would probably be around 250,000,000....including me...out of 300,000,000 people living in the USA.


    The first amendment is freedom of speech. You are the one squelching it. sm
    I said I agreed that I was not respecting the rules. YOU are not respecting freedom of speech.  Obviously and easy to prove. However, I will from this point forward respect the rules and not post here.  Anyway, I am not a conservative. I was just making a point.  That has nothing to do with politics. It's too bad you must label everything when someone proves you wrong 
    thank you for the ringing endorsement for freedom of speech....
    yet another reason why I would never vote for a Democrat.
    So basically it's a freedom of speech thing?
    That's a scary thought! It would be illegal to say you're against people who are pedophiles? Because according to this bill (if this is what it means) they have the same rights as gay people.
    So basically it's a freedom of speech thing?
    That's a scary thought! It would be illegal to say you're against people who are pedophiles? Because according to this bill (if this is what it means) they have the same rights as gay people.
    Political correctness stifles freedom of speech. nm

    spoken like a true freedom of speech liberal....NOT.
    nm
    if you accept and confuse slander as freedom of speech
    I would not like to socialize with you.
    Bible verses would be freedom of speech - common sense!
    xx
    freedom of speech excludes and stops at slander and foul language...sm
    You are slandering the President of the United States out of ignorance, shame on you!

    Where is this written in the Constitution that it is allowed to grossly insult the President?

    Even if I disagree with the decisions of the President, I would NEVER slander him.

    I am an independent, not a liberal, and I never slandered Bush, although I very much disagreed with him.

    Therefore there are presidential elections set every 4 years, when we can elect another President, but we are disrespecting ourselves by slandering the President the majority of the population voted.

    And you are calling yourselves
    American citizens?

    What a hypocrisy.

    You are insulting the incumbent President of the United States of America and it is not even PROVEN that he made mistakes up until now. That you disagree with him, does not make it a mistakes from O's side. Or do you want to say that you are better qualified to be the President of the United States?

    Can you all look into the future, like Nostradamus?


    True freedom of religion if you are Christian, or freedom to Islam,Buddhist, Hindu, Jew, agnostic, a
    all are religious beliefs, and if you are looking for true FREEDOM, all must be tolerated, understood, and welcomed. cannot put parameters on FREEDOM
    "kill him" speech is not acceptable free speech - it is against the law - nm
    x
    How dare you!

    Just because she differs from your view points doesn't mean she shouldn't be allowed to be on this board.  I for one agree with a lot of what Sam says.  This board is way right-winged.  It needs people like Sam on here to bring focus to the other side.  If you don't care for her posts and opinions, be the bigger person and ignore them instead of whining and complaining. 


    I'M WITH YOU SAM!!! 


    How dare you

    You know, you really hurt my feelings today.  I know that probably doesn't matter to you, but today I really realized that this is the world I am bringing my daughter up in and there is nothing I can do about it...nothing.  Mean, hurtful people.  I would lay down my life for my daughter without a thought to save her, but there is nothing I can do to save her from this cold, hateful world that we live in.  How dare you treat me like that?  How dare you be so mean!  How can people act like this?  I'm not some sheltered idiot who doesn't know which way is up, but I have never had anyone be so hurtful and mean in my adult life.  If my FOUR-YEAR-OLD ever talked to anyone in the way that you just talked to me, there would be some serious disciplinary action.  Shame on you. 


    How dare he!!
    You mean Obama actually wants to encourage teenagers and young adults to be decent human beings and productive members of society. The horror of it is beyond comprehension!!
    How dare they!!
    How dare homosexuals want the right to be married and enjoy the benefits thereof, just like "normal people." How dare they "draw attention to themselves" demanding rights and equality.

    Give me a break. Anyone that wants to commit themselves to a relationship should have the ability to do so. Why should a gay couple not be allowed to "live happily ever after" and have the rights (and problems) that go with it.

    If you don't "believe" in gay marriage, than don't marry someone of your own sex.
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    RUSH: My friends, there's another reason why the Sheehan thing is going to derail, why this train is going to derail, and that's because look at who her public relations outfit is. It's the mainstream press. They don't have universal respect anymore. They don't even have any concept of how they are harming her cause by championing it, but I want to talk about something larger here with you liberals. I know there are a lot of you here in the audience. We hear from you now and then, and it may be a waste of my time but I'm going to try it anyway. But I think you all need to look at things differently than you do. You need to take your focus off of government. You know how absurd it is for us to hear that a war is ignoble because the president's kids aren't there or because congressmen's kids aren't there? Do you know how irrelevant that is? Do you know who makes this country work? Can I ask you people on the left if you have the slightest idea who makes this country work? Because I'll tell you, it's not the president, I don't care who he is, and it's not Congress, and I don't care who they are. The people who make this country work are the people, and they're people you've never heard of. They are people unlike Cindy Sheehan, who are not seeking publicity, they are not seeking fame. They take life seriously. They try to mix their work and pleasure into a proper balance. They try to raise their kids the right way. They're doing everything they can to follow the straight-and-narrow. They sometimes slip off, but the people who make this country work, the fabled average American. That's who you liberals condemn, whether you know it or not. That's who you impugn. It's always been the case.

    World War II was not won by Eisenhower. World War II was not won by FDR. World War II was not won by any particular leader. World War II was not won by Patton. Everybody played a role. But without the sons and daughters of the American people, this country wouldn't amount to anything. It is the people who make this country work, and the ease with which those of you on the left disparage the people in this country while you seek to focus all attention on government, is a sight to behold, and it is why you are losing elections; it is why you are losing favor; it is why you are becoming more fringe and extreme and kooky, because you've lost touch. You've lost contact. You've lost all ability to understand who it is that comprises the heart and soul of this country. You have no clue who the backbone of this country is; but I will tell you this: it's not Cindy Sheehan and it's not one member of her entourage in a ditch in
    Crawford, Texas. Those people are a bunch of squatters. Those people right now are contributing nothing to the greatness or future of this country. Neither are the members of the media who are down there trying to elevate all those people in the ditch to be superheroes. There's not one of them that comes anywhere near rating the title of hero. They are nothing but a bunch of squatters who are miserable and unhappy for who knows whatever reasons and deciding to take it out on people who they think have control over their lives. In this case, with a bunch of liberals, it's government. You want government to have control over your life, you want government to be able to do this and that for your friends and neighbors and help you, but the simple truth of this country is that it's the people who make this country work. It is the people who comprise the economy.

    It is the people who comprise the morality. It is the people of this country who determine the ethics. It is the people of this country, and that's what you're upset about because you're in the minority. The people of this country, the people who make this country work differ from you in tremendous ways. They are religious. They are God-fearing. They respect values and morality. They know what's right and they know what's wrong, and they do their best to abide. You are offended by all that, claiming they don't have the right to make such decisions, while you sit around and make no decisions whatsoever because you're willing to totally put your life in the hands of some liberal politician and that will take you off the hook for having to make any decision about your life or anybody else's. Well, that's not how the country works. This country works on the basis of an educated and informed public seeking excellence in their own lives to whatever degree they wish it. People pursuing life the best they can, using freedom, God-given freedom -- and for you to call here and to come up with something as irrelevant as to say this war is not worth it because the president's kids aren't there or because nobody from Washington's kids are there doesn't say a thing about the war effort, doesn't say one thing about it, doesn't make it noble, doesn't make it ignoble, doesn't make it anything, because the war is taking place. Whether you agree with the fact that it's going on or not, we all have come to the decision that it's best that we win it. You haven't even joined us on that. You hope we lose it. You want to lose it because you want to embarrass the leaders of the country. What must your lives be like?



     








     


    Are your lives so endless, baseless, and void of substance that the only pleasure you get from life is through watching the misery of others and trying to cause misery for others? Are you so incapable of enjoying the God-given gift of life that you've got, that you can only do so when other people are suffering, hopefully as a result of actions you've taken? What must it be like to be you people? What must it be like to get up every day and to have to go to your calendar and write "Destroy somebody today. Destroy something today. Destroy America today"? What must that be like? When you look out across the country and you see a burgeoning economy, you see the lone world superpower -- and it's not because of any president, and it's not because of any weapon, and it's not because of any military, it's because of the people of this country and our values and our Constitution. We're no different than any other people, other than we have freedom -- and you don't even like that! You only want freedom for yourselves, defined as you define it. So people can't say things that offend you, they can't do things that offend you, we can't have stupid names for sports teams. The absurdity of this whole political correctness movement. We can't have some team called the Redskins, we can't have some team called the Seminoles. Don't you understand these team names do it, it's an honor? Do you think a school calls itself the Seminoles to make fun of the Seminoles or are they trying to build themselves up? It's a matter of pride. But you people are so miserably unhappy that you have to find ways to constantly make everybody else around you unhappy, and so you go hang around with a woman who's crazed out of her mind in a ditch in Crawford, Texas, and then you have the audacity to call here and tell us that you are the great ones, that you're the ones that care, that you're the ones that have this country's best interests at heart.

    If it were up to you people we wouldn't exist as a country today, you would have given in to the Soviets long ago, you would have appeased the Soviet communists. You would appease Iran right now, you probably wouldn't have cared about the war on terror or the bombing on 9/11. You would have sought out bin Laden and tried to make a deal with him, and this country exists today only because we have been able to prevent you from gaining power to do that kind of thing. We've had our run-ins with Neville Chamberlain types and you're the modern incarnation. To sit here, to actually have the gall to call this program and advance something you think as an intellectual argument that Cindy Sheehan's cause is noble, because the president's daughters aren't in Iraq, or congressmen's sons and daughters aren't in Iraq, have you no shame? Do you realize whose sons and daughters are? Do you understand it's voluntary? Do you understand these are people who are offering their lives in sacrifice for things they believe in? And what do you do? You come along and you try to disabuse them of their belief by telling them that they're wrong and that their country sucks. Well, to the extent that they think their country sucks it's because of you and your efforts to constantly undermine this country's best interests and our desires and efforts to protect the people of this country and to bring freedom to as many others in this world as possible. You people on the left used to be the ones that were all for civil rights around the world. You were all for human rights. Now all of a sudden you couldn't care less about the status of Iraqis. You couldn't care less. It's gotten so absurd, now that Howard Dean said on TV that if this new constitution is enacted as written, that the women of Iraq are going to be worse off than they were under Saddam Hussein.

    Do you realize how patently absurd and bordering on insane that comment is? No, you don't. Because you think so little of your own country, you think so little of this president, you have such little faith in the ideals that have combined to make this a great country, that you assume it's worse here than anywhere else, and the places that it is bad is because of us, either through environmental pollution, or whatever cockamamie, asinine, stupid, ignoramus idea you can come up with. It's gotten to the point now where it is common to go on Democrat websites and read about the pleasure it would bring if the president were assassinated. It is now common to read letters to the editors in newspapers which say it would be fun if bin Laden actually came over here and slit Bush's throat, which is what a supporter of Sheehan wrote to a letter of the editor in one of the newspapers in this country. Yes, it would have been better if bin Laden would have just come here and slit Bush's throat. Do you have any idea how you people are perceived? Do you have the slightest idea how the decent people who make this country work perceive you? It is not with any respect. It is with contempt and it's with sorrow. But it's also with this realization: This country, if it is to survive, cannot be turned over to you people to lead and to run, because we will cease to exist as the
    United States the day that happens, and mark my word. It ain't going to happen.


    why not have him fired, I mean how dare he?
    for that matter, fire anyone and everyone who ever says or does anything you do not agree with. There you go, problem solved. Maybe you could all go to Alaska to live and only allow people there who agree with you and you could have your own world while you are at it and never be bothered with the poor or the sick, you know - I mean, what nerve these people have right?
    How dare you post here and not go through . . .
    pages of past posts to make sure it hasn't already been discussed. You misinformed liberal!!! LOL.
    how dare you say that anyone died for no...
    reason!!!? Saddam was a terrible mass murderer and needed to be taken care of. We should have never let it get this far. I am sure that the men and women who died did not think that it was for no reason.
    Yep....they don't dare leave the US

    The Hague (World Court) has pretty much charged Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush with war crimes.


    on January 26, United Nations Special Rapporteur on Torture Manfred Nowak insisted that the pursuit of Bush and members of his administration for the torture of terror war prisoners is crucial if justice is to be served.

    Nowak added that he believes enough evidence exists currently to proceed with the prosecution of Donald Rumsfeld, the former Secretary of Defense who was credited as being highly influential in the crafting and push for America's invasion of Iraq and the prior administration's abusive interrogation tactics.


    And I'm told to forget about Bush - NO FREAKING WAY! This sucks out loud!!!


    link posted here - don't ya dare look
    http://meaningfuldistractions.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/news_national_enquirer_promises_more_on_alleged_sarah_palin_affair_78787/
    You mean the other women who dare to present
    Americans are not a monolith.
    Don't you dare suggest we don't pray to the same God
    you are bad
    Puleeze -- dare we look at the dem posts?
    Palintology, ageism, free trade (like that's a bad word), Keating 5, feminist's vote.  My list could go on.  It's not a 1-way street.  I can admit that; too bad you can't.
    Lest we forget accountability, how-dare you ask?
    x
    That's how I feel. How dare the victims be judged.sm
    while we sit cumfy in front of our PCs and eat popcorn. That kind of stuff makes me SICK!


    How dare they assault SP the long suffering
    su
    While she does deserve our thoughts and prayers, I dare say...
    some will say she deserves as much respect as the left showed to Mrs. Palin's handicapped child and pregnant daughter.
    How dare you suggest that people are voting
    for Obama based on emotion?  The statistics are 25 million people that are voting don't even watch or read the news and don't have a clue what is really going on with this campaign, and guess what, those (I will say politely) UNINFORMED people are the ones that McPalin are targeting heavily.  Boy, talk about desperation, when you have to resort to praying on the gullible ignorant to get a vote!
    No it's not. Use google, if you dare. Some states are raising the age to 30
    I have no problem with children who need healthcare. Children. Not adults.

    It's just another social welfare program, when they raise the age to 30 (as if age 25 wasn't old enough to be still called a child).




    Okay. I dared. *yawn* Now, tell me something *davebuoy* Do YOU *dare* to put on the uniform and go

    Or are you like the rest of your lowly cowardly bunch who just don't have the guts?


    That's a rhetorical question, davie.  It's obvious that Rush speaks for you, so I already know the cowardly answer.


    By the way, don't you think it's rather childish to post something about one of your heroes on the liberal board and then to run back to the conservative board, bragging about it, like you did something special?  If anything, I'm guessing you're in the elephant dog house now, daviebuoy, because it didn't incite the anger and hatefulness that you were so obviously trying to achieve.  I realize things have been slow for all you hate addicts lately, but don't despair.  One of your beloved "ushes" (be it "B" or "R") is bound to do something else controversial, unethical or illegal before long, so things will heat up again soon enough, and all you hate addicts will get your "fix."  Must be very painful for you, though, with all that hatred and intolerance just busting at the seams! 


    You dare speak of character. Open your eyes to
    nm
    hahahah!! You are so insecure that you do not even dare to post a username and STICK to it..nm
    nm
    It's a dark day in America when voters dare to feel inspired and hopeful?
    rasberries
    Freedom
    I just want to say THANK YOU for your opinion, which is very valid.