Rick Warren? The pastor who prayed
Posted By: during Obama's inauguration? on 2009-04-07
In Reply to: Who the heck is Rick Warren and who cares what he thinks - me
The one who spoke on Larry King Live yesterday about the same sex marriage? Which was probably why the post above brought up Rick Warren. The one who wrote the Purpose Driven Life? The pastor of Saddleback Church who has 22,000 members that attend his church on weekends and a total of 65,000 members on-line? The pastor who has 7,000 volunteers? The pastor who ministers individuals who have HIV/AIDS? I could go on and on. You never heard of him? Must not have seen Obama's inauguration.
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Rick Warren....(sm)
I really do understand Obama trying to be inclusive of all with the inauguration. He has lined up a variety of artists, etc, which I think is a good idea. However, Rick Warren....yeah, that would be the preacher that likened gay and lesbian relationships to polygamy, beastiality, incest, etc.--- had a big role in Prop 8. That's like inviting Charles Manson for dinner. I just hope there's a deal in the background of this that I don't know about -- maybe something along the lines of Rick lightening up on the gay community in exchange for speaking at the inauguration.
Who the heck is Rick Warren and who cares what he thinks
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have you ever prayed?
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Obama voter who approves of Warren sm
Obama and Warren are personal friends, have been for years despite some differences. Warren had Obama speak at his church years ago, the members did not approve, but Obama was invited and spoke there. Same situation here. They also share more commonalities than differences, such as funding for AIDS, ending poverty and other common goals regarding humanity.
Jon Stewart interviews Elizabeth Warren...
...overseer of the TARP Program. Though it's pretty funny, it's also very informative and explained in a way that most people can "get," and I highly recommend it to those who are interested.
It's a two-part video, and I believe it's worth watching, though, unfortunately, some people will probably criticize it without even bothering to watch it in its entirety).
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/16/elizabeth-warren-makes-jo_n_187635.html
Jon Stewart interviews Elizabeth Warren...
...overseer of the TARP Program. Though it's pretty funny, it's also very informative and explained in a way that most people can "get" (in a Jim Cramer/Jon Stewart interview kind of way), and I highly recommend it to those who are interested.
It's a two-part video, and I believe it's worth watching, though, unfortunately, some people will probably criticize it without even bothering to watch it in its entirety).
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/16/elizabeth-warren-makes-jo_n_187635.html
Another Rick at the naug
Is true that Rick James to appear at ball to play his song She a Superfreak so Mich and Bam can freak dance up and down their bodies?
here was Joe the Plumber and then Rick Santelli. nm
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Rick Davis receiving money
for Fannie Mae lobbying even as late as LAST MONTH. Corruption.
rick davis campaign manager
check breaking news on new relevations about mccain's man receiving money up until last month for "consulting" work for FMFM. Big scandal.
Rick James died in 2004
of a heart attack. That was too bad. I loved Superfreak.
Warren Buffett is paying less tax, personally and corporately, than anytime time in his life.
He was interviewed by Charlie Rose last night - excellent interview - but by the time the show was over, my stomach was in knots. I find this very stressful.
I do think that the tax cuts to the rich and corp. America should be reversed. John McCain agreed with this as well early in the summer but I guess his base swayed him to change his stand.
In Buffetts's office, the cleaning lady pays more taxes than he does, he stated.
Stupid question....I got Rick Santelli on a rant with this link.....
did I do something wrong? LOL.
Rick Santorum's claim of finding WMDs is just more false propaganda.
(I can't understand why they must keep lying.)
Lawmakers Cite Weapons Found in Iraq
Thursday, June 22, 2006; A10
Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich.), chairman of the House intelligence committee, and Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) told reporters yesterday that weapons of mass destruction had in fact been found in Iraq, despite acknowledgments by the White House and the insistence of the intelligence community that no such weapons had been discovered.
We have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, chemical weapons, Santorum said.
The lawmakers pointed to an unclassified summary from a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center regarding 500 chemical munitions shells that had been buried near the Iranian border, and then long forgotten, by Iraqi troops during their eight-year war with Iran, which ended in 1988.
The U.S. military announced in 2004 in Iraq that several crates of the old shells had been uncovered and that they contained a blister agent that was no longer active. Neither the military nor the White House nor the CIA considered the shells to be evidence of what was alleged by the Bush administration to be a current Iraqi program to make chemical, biological and nuclear weapons.
Last night, intelligence officials reaffirmed that the shells were old and were not the suspected weapons of mass destruction sought in Iraq after the 2003 invasion.
-- Dafna Linzer
© 2006 The Washington Post Company
No, I don't think she has a pastor problem...
the pentacostal world view is not Marxist for one thing. I am much more concerned about marxist/socialist GOVERNMENT change than I am about Pentecostals. Black liberation theology is not as much about religion as it is about introducing marxist/socialist change to government.
So, to answer question, I don't think Palin has a pastor problem.
Pastor Manning
Move over (or moveon?), Rev. Wright & Father Phleger...
http://www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr07-28-08.html
He was not her "priest..." LOL. Not her pastor either.
He was visiting the church and he prayed for her, and if you actually watched the video, there was no mention of witches. His witch hunting if indeed it even existed was in Africa. This man was never her pastor.
This was debunked a long time ago.
Your post sounded somewhat hysterical. You feel better now I hope?
If you go to church, has your pastor done this?
WEST BEND, Wis. (AP) - Thirty-three pastors in 22 states used their sermons to make pointed recommendations about political candidates today.
The effort was orchestrated by the Arizona-based Alliance Defense Fund.
The conservative legal group plans to send copies of the pastors' sermons to the Internal Revenue Service with hope of setting off a legal fight and abolishing restrictions on church involvement in politics.
Critics call it unnecessary, divisive and unlikely to succeed.
The Reverend Eric Williams of Columbus has organized 55 religious leaders across the nation to file a complaint about the ADF's challenge.
The minister with the liberal United Church of Christ says churches should stand apart from the government.
2nd Colorado Pastor Resigns sm
The founding pastor of a second Colorado church has resigned over gay sex allegations, just weeks after the evangelical community was shaken by the scandal surrounding megachurch leader Ted Haggard.
Haggard, a gay-marriage opponent, admitted to unspecified sexual immorality when he resigned last month as president of the National Association of Evangelicals and pastor of the 14,000-member New Life Church in Colorado Springs. A male prostitute had said he had had sex with Haggard for three years.
On Sunday, Paul Barnes, founding pastor of the 2,100-member Grace Chapel in this Denver suburb, told his evangelical congregation in a videotaped message he had had sexual relations with other men and was stepping down.
Dave Palmer, associate pastor of Grace Chapel, told The Denver Post that Barnes confessed to him after the church received a call last week.
The church board of elders accepted Barnes' resignation on Thursday.
On the videotape, which The Post was allowed to view, Barnes told church members: I have struggled with homosexuality since I was a 5-year-old boy. ... I can't tell you the number of nights I have cried myself to sleep, begging God to take this away.
Barnes, 54, led Grace Chapel for 28 years. He and his wife have two adult children.
Palmer said in a written statement that While we cannot condone what he has done, we continue to support and love Paul.
I saw the You Tube video of his pastor. sm
It was the most racist and startlingly disturbing thing I have ever seen. Kill all the white folks, the blue eyed kids, bury them, dig them up and kill them again. Oh my goodness.
I think the controversy around Obama's pastor
will cause some superdelegates to be very wary. In the end I think (and hope) that Clinton will get the nomination.
Lets bash the pastor.
According to dictionary.com, the meanings of the N-word are “deeply disparaging and are used when the speaker deliberately wishes to cause great offense.” They go on to say, conversely, “it is sometimes used among African-Americans in a neutral or familiar way.” Since he whispered the statement behind what he thought was a cold microphone, it is highly unlikely that Rev. Jackson intended to cause great offense and his use of the word probably falls into the latter category of usage.
For example, the N-word can become much less offensive and even assume neutrality within historical discourse, literature, poetry, cinema theater and the like. One could further argue that within certain contexts (i.e. rap music, conversations within the black households, neighborhoods and businesses, to name a few) connotations of the word can be construed so as to convey a sense of community…even a brotherhood, of sorts. Language is fluid, dynamic and vital in its nature, not static or one-dimensional. Context, message, intent, environment, speaker and audience all impact the ultimate nuance of meaning in all forms of communication.
I agree with you and take deep offense at the use of the N-word, regardless of who says it. However, I would like to comment on some of the other points you raised in your post. A careful read of the actual statement shows that Rev. Jackson did not use this epithet to personally attack Obama. Rather, he was referring to the black population as a whole. Granted, his choice of words was extremely poor (at least from a white perspective), but the statement was not meant for public scrutiny. It was spoken from one black individual to another, much the same was that Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s statements were made from black preacher to black congregation.
As a white person, I do not believe I can sit in judgment one way or another regarding his choice of words when taken completely out of context, in the same way I am not qualified to criticize the sermons of Rev. Wright. I would like to think that I am intelligent enough to understand that, having lived in the US as a white person both before and after the civil right eras (1948 to present), I have not experienced life in America the same way black people have. They are entitled to their own “take” on their own lives. Who am I to tell them how to “tell it like it is?”
One last point. I am sure that much flap and bruhah will ensue over this unfortunate news. However, the very fact that Rev. Sharpton, you, I, the media and countless others will be having this debate over our outrage and dismay is a testament as to just how effective Rev Jackson and other early leaders in the civil rights movement were in defining the key issues, defying status quo of his times, enlisting support for the cause, effectively engaging his opposition in ongoing bipartisan initiatives over nearly 4 decades and producing fruitful, far-reaching and substantial bodies of legislation from which today’s black community continue to reap bountiful benefits and blessings. They weathered storms of protests, incarceration, series after series of setbacks and reversals, and buckets of bloodshed in their efforts to secure the civil liberties and rights that reach far beyond the black community to encompass other forms of discrimination against women, gays, immigrants and the poor, to name a few…all so casually taken for granted and so easily dismissed in the blink of an eye with one ill-chosen, unfortunate slip of the tongue.
For those of us whose memories reach further back than the latest round of CNN sound bytes and chat room chatter, we probably would forgive Obama should he decide not to denounce Rev Jackson’s support, nor would we feel driven to force him to abandon his own pastor of 20 years for the sake of our own righteous indignation.
Does Palin have a pastor problem?
Of course, we all know the Christian Right will haul out the WMDs to slay the messenger, but for the rest of us, this will be a pretty interesting read. I have not had a chance to completely view the video, but it will be fascinating to see how the Christian Right can bash this Pentacostal Worldview. Here's the link. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html
No, he was not her pastor at the time like wright...
was obama's for 20 years. Witches, racists...who's on first?
My pastor gave info
This was not biased, showed side by side the two candidates and their moral issue debates. He did tell us that we could speak to him afterwards on a personal, friendly basis and ask if we wanted to know who he would recommend outside of church. Anybody who reads their Bible knows who any pastor is going to vote for based just on abortion issues, etc.
Obama was a member of a church whose pastor said...
"God damm* America." Obama went to that church for 20 years.
Palin's husband was a member of the Alaskan Independence party several years ago, and this quote came from the head of the party.
I see absolutely NO difference. If you are going to condemn one, condemn both.
Our pastor was talking just yesterday morning about how
we can't depend on the government to change America. It is up to the Christians of America to get on our faces before God and ask for mercy for our nation and pray we will, once again, be One Nation Under God.
Disowning conservative politics is costly to pastor.sm
This is progress, now only if more would follow. Link to story below.
Read the racist comments of Obama's pastor...
of his the pastor's hero Louis Farrakhan...and read the creed of Obama's church substituting "white" everywhere you see the word "black" and then we can have a discussion about racism as a way of life, not idle comments on a talk show. People need to wake up and smell the coffee before they put a racist in the White House.
Obama Disagrees With Pastor's *** **** America Sermon
Obama Disagrees With Pastor's 'God Dam*n America' Sermon
Obama on His Pastor: 'I Profoundly Disagree With Some of These Statements'
By BRIAN ROSS and REHAB EL-BURI
March 14, 2008—
Sen. Barack Obama says he "obviously disagrees" with his pastor of 20 years who said black Americans should sing "God Dam*n America" instead of "God Bless America."
Reacting to an ABC News story about the sermons of Rev. Jeremiah Wright of the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, Obama told the Pittsburg Tribune-Review, "I haven't seen the line. This is a pastor who is on the brink of retirement who in the past has made some controversial statements. I profoundly disagree with some of these statements."
But he defended Rev. Wright's overall record, accusing ABC News of "cherry picking" statements of the man with a 40-year career.
"There are times when people say things that are just wrong. But I think it's important to judge me on what I've said in the past and what I believe," he told the paper.
Palin's pending pastor disaster. As requested,
Thanks to Fox's Rev Wright feeding frenzy/orgy, the media now spotlights SP's religious upbringing. Here are some "legitimate" sources of info on the newest area of inquiry into SP's views, mentors, influences, etc., as we become more acquainted with JM's VP pick. A nutshell description might be politics based on the concept of manifest destiny. Most of these sources have often been cited by right-singers on this site. Keep in mind, these are only the early returns on this inquiry. Stay tuned.
http://www.wasillaag.net/
Due to the avalanche of inquiries, the Wasilla Assembly of God Q&A link has crashed and burned for the time being. Their Official Statement on Sarah Palin is posted here.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/sarah-palins-je.html
Statement from Senior Pastor Ed Kalnins on war, including "I believe that Jesus himself operated from that position of war mode."
http://www.nypost.com/seven/09032008/news/nationalnews/church_prayer_for_iraq_war_127206.htm
"Church Prayer for Iraq War." US soldiers battling terrorists in Iraq are "striving to do what's right" and are part of "a task . . . from God," Sarah Palin told worshippers at a conservative Pentecostal church earlier this year.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13098.html
"Jewish voters may be wary of Palin." After growing up in Wasilla Assembly of God, she switched to Wasilla Bible Church. This article deals with their views of Jews and Jews views of them. Visitors to the pulpit: David Brickner, of Jews for Jesus, who according to the Anti-Defamation League is “targeting Jews for conversion with subterfuge and deception,” asserts in essence that it's okay to bulldoze Palestinians. He goes on to say, "…terrorist attacks on Israelis as God's "judgment of unbelief" of Jews who haven't embraced Christianity."
http://blogs.marketwatch.com/election/2008/09/02/palin-said-war-in-iraq-gas-pipeline-are-gods-will/
"Palin said war in Iraq, gas pipeline are God’s will."
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/02/by_juliet_eilperin_when_alaska.html
Palin Asks for Prayers That War Be "Task That Is From God"
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/09/palins_past_pastor_bushfoes_he.html Tribunes Washington Bureau
"Palin's Past Pastor: Bush foes Hell-bound"
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/09/meet-sarah-palins-pastor-ed-kalnins.php
"Meet Sarah Palin's Rev. Wright"
On John Kerry supporters: "I'm not going tell you who to vote for, but if you vote for this particular person, I question your salvation. I'm sorry."
Palin didn't speak about witchcraft; the pastor
Boo! Scared ya with that scary word, 'witchcraft', huh. The fanatical religious right are scared of their own shadows.
German anti-Nazi activist, Pastor Martin Niemöller:
In Germany they first came for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me —
and by that time no one was left to speak up.
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