Rich does not mean corrupt........
Posted By: but these companies are....nm on 2008-09-24
In Reply to: No Bailout for the rich - American Constitution
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Obama is most definitely corrupt.
I agree....you should have seen Glen Beck last night. Barack Obama is not the person who should be president. The very idea of him being president terrifies me.
No, but Illinois citizens are so used to corrupt
even this guy has suddenly made them stand up and take notice...... what a sorry crook! He'd probably sell his mother for a buck.
All this corruption is fueled by the corrupt
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Because the bailout is a corrupt piece of
Most people do not even realize that HALF that money they are stealing from us is going DIRECTLY to foreign investors, i.e., the China
2-step......read up on it. Better yet, I'll send a link... sickens me to no end!!!!!
http://www.carnegieendowment.org/publications/index.cfm?fa=view&id=234
The problem is corrupt organizations
When you have organizations outside city hall going out on the streets and registering people, even the homeless and even those names who are deceased, this sets up a perfect storm for voter fraud. Now, when you have a group such as ACORN which has already had many members indicted of voter fraud, continuing to do this, this will continue to happen.
Matter of fact, over 2500 proven voter fraud registrations have been proven in Indiana as of today. And there will be many many more to come. Democratic election officials are calling them out on this, unlike the "pubs" some ignorant on this board want to believe. Their own democratic officials are blowing the whistle on this and do not understand why this is not being investigated. Corruption all the way to the top is why it is not being investigated. They are now finding this in several other states where ACORN sends out folks, anyone, to coerce people into voting, even if they have already voted.
But those wanting Obama in office do not care that this is taking place, because they know if they want him in office, fradulent voters will have to get him there.
Corrupt Obama caught in the act.
How's this for abuse of power?
While in the Illinois State Senate, Barack Obama sure seems to have played footloose and fancy free with the taxpayer's money, to the benefit of his own circle of family and friends.
A $25,000 grant to his first cousin.
$100,000 for a garden for one of his campaign workers
$100,000 for Father Pflager to badmouth Hillary Clinton from his pulpit.
$75,000 to FORUM, a group who helped Obama pay off the debt from his failed 2000 Senate race.
Yeah, THIS is the guy I'm going to trust with 'changing' the way government does business. 
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=6BA619B2-88A2-4245-8617-AA0A07F47068
Poll: Which is the most corrupt state?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/14/weekinreview/14marsh.html?ref=us
Illinois Is Trying. It Really Is. But the Most Corrupt State Is Actually . . .
3 different criteria based on verifiable facts were used: Convicted public officials, conviction per million residents per year and reporter scores. Illinois failed to make even the top 5, coming in at 7, 22 and 10 respectively.
ND says the only thing corrupt is the story...
N.D. says the only thing corrupt is the story
http://www.bismarcktribune.com.....171625.txt
Dec 12, 2008 - 04:05:31 CST
By BRIAN DUGGAN
Bismarck Tribune
First Illinois. Now North Dakota.
Plenty of head scratching was happening at the state Capitol on Thursday after USA Today ran a story with the headline: "North Dakota tops analysis of corruption."
Where's Illinois federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald when you need him?
The story found that, based on the 53 federal public corruption convictions between 1998 and 2007 in North Dakota, there were 8.3 convictions per 100,000 people in the state - the most in the nation. Illinois had 3.9 per 100,000, according to the story, ranking it 18th overall.
A little context: North Dakota has about 640,000 people. Illinois has 12.8 million and 502 federal corruption convictions between 1998 and 2007.
As for North Dakota's company in USA Today's analysis: At No. 2 is Louisiana, with 7.7 convictions per 100,000 people, home to disgraced Democratic Rep. William Jefferson. And No. 3 is Alaska, with 7.5 convictions per 100,000 people, home to the recently convicted Republican Sen. Ted Stevens.
Attorney General Wayne Stenehjem called the article "patently ridiculous" on Thursday, adding among the most recent examples of high-profile federal convictions in North Dakota are the six Twin Butte school district members convicted of misusing school funds.
"I think everyone would agree that a group of local school board officials is far different than a governor accused of selling a U.S. Senate seat," said Stenehjem, referring to Gov. Rod Blagojevich, who federal authorities arrested on Tuesday for trying to profit off of President-elect Obama's vacated Senate seat.
He's the second Illinois governor to wind up with federal charges this decade.
As for the article in USA Today: "This is what happens when you have somebody who takes statistics and doesn't do any analysis or comparison or puts anything into context," Stenehjem said.
While U.S. Attorney Drew Wrigley was unavailable for comment Thursday, other state officials expressed their confusion over the corruption article.
"You gotta be kidding me," Secretary of State AL Jaeger said. "Boy, I've lived here all my life. I can't think of anybody who's been nailed for something."
Russell Mokhiber, Editor of the weekly Washington-based newsletter Corporate Crime Reporter, said his organization ran a similar story in 2004 that pegged North Dakota as a hotbed of public corruption, with 45 federal convictions between 1993 and 2002.
Columnist and former Lt. Gov. Lloyd Omdahl responded with a column in 2004 critical of the newsletter's finding, writing that many of those federal convictions stemmed from American Indian reservations, based on a letter he received from the state's U.S attorney.
"First of all, Indian reservation are not state entities, nor are they political subdivisions of the state, so employees of casinos are not public officials engaged in official public duties," Omdahl wrote.
In the Corporate Crime Reporter's 2007 report, Mokhiber said his newsletter only included the 35 most populated states because of the statistical unfairness on sparsely populated states like North Dakota. The report found that Louisiana, followed by Mississippi and Kentucky, are the country's most corrupt states.
"We learned from our mistake when we crunched our numbers," he said. "What your columnist wrote we took to heart; we agree that North Dakota is not the most corrupt state."
Dana Harsell, a University of North Dakota political science professor, said calculating corruption on a per capita basis isn't exactly fair for states like North Dakota.
"I'm not sure if it gives a true measure of the extent of corruption," Harsell said. "We have one of the most accessible open-access laws in the country."
As for corrupt North Dakota state officials, State Historical Society Editor Kathy Davidson could think of one outstanding North Dakota politician: Gov. William Langer.
He was convicted of federal corruption charges in the early 1930s for diverting federal funds to political matters. He was later exonerated of the charges, re-elected to the governor's office in 1935 and went on to the U.S. Senate and served there until 1959.
So what happened since then? "We've just got boringly honest," Davidson said.
(Reach reporter Brian Duggan at 223-8482 or brian.duggan@;bismarcktribune.com.)
GE corrupt and makes Watergate
http://www.foxnews.com/oreilly/
The O'Reilly Factor.
Will GE get paid for supporting President Obama. GE owns NBC is very aggressive for supporting Obama in the election and now attacking his critics and so on.
Many rich are rich because they too are hard
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It'll only be a disaster (I HOPE!) for all the corrupt
it'll also be a 'disaster' for all the unscrupulous companies in the US that send our work to India. That kind of a 'disaster' has been long awaited, and eagerly anticipated.
US MTSO's better start re-thinking their pay scales, because hopefully their 'sacred' cash-cow (India) is about to run out o' milk.
Corrupt liberal democrat Governor arrested.
Of course no surprise here. Why is it every day we see nothing but corrupt liberal after corrupt liberal? This is good though. Why can't liberals just be honest? It only supports the theory that liberals are mentally derranged.
LOL, this is rich! sm
Patrick Buchanan who the liberals labeled "certifiable" during his last presidential bid but not that he is saying what you want to hear, he's a great guy! That's okay, because Zell Miller said just the opposite of Patrick. Up is down and down is up!
This is rich.
Since when is it UnAmerican to want to know the TRUTH? Why are you people so ANTI-TRUTH? Wouldn't surprise me if this administration goes down in history as much more corrupt than Nixon.
In the middle of a "war"??!! Bush should be protected because we're stuck in HIS war that HE started based on HIS LIES? At the very least, it would show the entire world that not ALL Americans condone lying, attacking and occupying sovereign nations for no reason. I personally hope they FRY him and hold him and all those involved in his administration accountable for every single EVIL thing they have done.
Your theory that we shouldn't do this while we're in the middle of a war is like the guy who killed both his parents and then threw himself on the mercy of the court because he's an ORPHAN.
Whatever happened to "The truth will set you free"? Why are you people HATE the truth so much?
that 5% rich...
he is among them. wonder how much comes out of his pocket and how much o his own wealth he has been redistributing??
If you were rich, would you be saying that?
I know I wouldn't, especially after I had worked so hard to get the money I earned. Unfortunately, I'm not rich by any standards, but I'm infuriated and insulted by Obama's thinking that I need a hand out from those with more money! If we take money from those who have it and give it to those who don't, where's the motivation for those that don't have it to get it for themselves? Why would they want to go to school to get a better paying job or go for that promotion at work if they know that first of all, they can sit back and get it for free and second of all, if they do start making more money, they'll just have to turn around and give it to someone that doesn't have it! How is it that the American Dream has turned into the American Entitlement?
who hates the rich?
Just another broad generalization of how **we people** believe/feel/think..Rich people? I dont hate people I dont know..be them rich, poor or in between. I have loved and cared for the best and the worst..I could write a book (smile). To say we dont like or hate the rich..another broad generalization and bigoted statement by a neocon. I dont judge a person by their riches, I judge them by what they are giving back to this earth and when they pass, will the earth be a little bit better off for them being here..
Who knows any rich people???? nm
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never said rich were evil
I never said the rich were evil. I said there are many who dont care about the working class and yet you defend them. As an example, I just read a news article earlier this week that Dr. Phil pays his transcriptionists $7.00 to $8.00 an hour!!!!!!!!! Have you ever seen Dr. Phil's house in LA? I have passed it a few times..OMG!!!! Let me tell ya, the guy can afford to pay his transcriptionists better than that. If it wasnt for Oprah, he would still be working in Texas and not a celebrity but does it even make him realize, hey, I got a stroke of good luck thanks to Oprah, maybe I should take care of my staff better. Obviously he is one of the rich who does not get it. Sure there are some who care and give back, as they realize how lucky they are and there but for the grace of God go I. I have seen personally some rich give back greatly, some volunteering at jobs every one else would be paid for, giving to charities and so much more. The good ones realize they must give back, cause that is just the way it should be in a moral caring upright society. The others, they cant get enough money. Their religion is money. The more millions they have, they are worrying about how to make millions more.
The rich ARE the democrats
Look back over time. Who benefitted from tax breaks Clintons 2% of the richest people. Everyone makes it sound as though only republicans are rich. The democrat party has some of the richest people and they aren't paying their fair share. With the Democrats I've always had to pay more taxes. With the republicans I received refunds every year.
Ain't that rich! - see link
Did George Bush serve his country??????? I'd say Obama served his country right on our shores by working with the impoverished in Chicago. GW wouldn't dirty his hands and neither would McSame.
McWayne looks like a corpse with too much makeup on. One heartbeat away from the presidency? JC...............It is God's will we are in Iraq? W?
No Bailout for the rich
Say no to the bailout. The FBI is investigating all of these companies for criminal mortgage fraud.
Obama is a rich fat cat as well! You are being
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maybe sam's one of them rich oil pubs
well-being of the rest of us.
Exactly......since when is RICH supposed to be
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What problem do you have with being rich?
Not sure what you call rich but you seem to be very bitter towards anyone who has more than you. MOST RICH in this country have worked their butts off to get where they are. They educated themselves and work more hours than most to get where they are. They have sacrificed a lot and they should not have to pay for those that sit on their butts and do nothing for a living, except walk to the mailbox the 3rd of every month to get their check.
I can guarantee you if you were rich, whatever number you consider that to be, you would be keeping your mouth shut because you would not appreciate some socialized nut job coming in and telling you to give more than half of what you make to some lazy bum on the street and pay for all their needs while yours go unmet.
Get a reality check!!
There's plain ol' rich, and then there's
Like yer Wall Street execs, bank CEO's, etc. Even worse our this nation's spoiled, mollycoddled pro athletes.
Does any of their wealth trickle down to us? Nope. The more tax breaks and loopholes they get, the more we have to take up the slack and fill in the gaps.
If they can pay a football player $38 million to play a stupid game, then I think those of us who actually work for a living should at least get a few more cents per line.
You seem to have struck it rich in a
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Obama is rich, and
The Kennedys and plenty of philanthropists are rich. Look, it shouldn't be trickle down economics. It should be trickle up for a change. Let's not wait for the crumbs and I'm sorry but anyone who is an MT is probably not rich.
Why don't the mega rich..........
toss down some billions to help their country out? It's a tax write off......wait until their houses get robbed, their cars get keyed and their yachts get pisd on. Don't think for a minute their hired help won't be getting even in some nasty, discreet way......I think I want to be a CHEF!
That's rich, JTBB....lol...nm
would you have a problem with being rich?
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'Rob from the rich,
give to the poor' is unamerican. 'From each according to his abilities, to each according to his need' is unamerican. 'You poor fellow, lemme give you some of that guy's money' is also unamerican. 'Give me liberty or give me death' is American.
Oh, this is rich. You accuse me of drinking and then cry when it happens to you. SM
Typical liberal double standards. 
To those who think the rich should pay their FAIR taxes..
Bad news for Democrats: Top 5% of taxpayers paid 53.8% of all indiv. income taxes...
Okay, this is the one area Democratics leaders always try to mislead the American public on: The rich get major tax breaks. The rich get all of the Bush tax cuts. The rich pay no taxes. Of course they never want to explain what an unproportional percentage the wealthy in this country pay to taxes. Now to the FACTS from the Department of the Treasury: The latest data is from the 2002 taxes. The following incomes split levels from the IRS are (% of total individual income tax in parenthesis): Top 1%: above $ 285,424 (33.71%) Top 5%: above $ 126,525 (53.80%) Top 10%: above $ 92,663 (65.73%) Top 25%: above $ 56,401 (83.90%) Top 50%: above $ 28,654 (96.50%) Bottom 50%: below $ 28,654 (4.50%) The President's Tax cuts actually increase the burden on the wealthy while providing greater relief to the bottom 50 (who are not contributing proportionally to the federal coffers). DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY Office of Public Affairs March 2, 2005 FACT SHEET: Who Pays the Most Individual Income Taxes? The individual income tax is highly progressive – a small group of higher-income taxpayers pay most of the individual income taxes each year. • In 2002 the latest year of available data, the top 5 percent of taxpayers paid more than one-half (53.8 percent) of all individual income taxes, but reported roughly one-third (30.6 percent) of income.
• The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid 33.7 percent of all individual income taxes in 2002. This group of taxpayers has paid more than 30 percent of individual income taxes since 1995. Moreover, since 1990 this group’s tax share has grown faster than their income share.• Taxpayers who rank in the top 50 percent of taxpayers by income pay virtually all individual income taxes. In all years since 1990, taxpayers in this group have paid over 94 percent of all individual income taxes. In 2000, 2001, and 2002, this group paid over 96 percent of the total.The President’s tax cuts have shifted a larger share of the individual income taxes paid to higher income taxpayers. In 2005, when most of the tax cut provisions are fully in effect (e.g., lower tax rates, the $1,000 child credit, marriage penalty relief), the projected tax share for lower-income taxpayers will fall, while the tax share for higher-income taxpayers will rise.• The share of taxes paid by the bottom 50 percent of taxpayers will fall from 4.1 percent to 3.6 percent. • The share of taxes paid by the top 1 percent of taxpayers will rise from 32.3 percent to 33.7 percent. • The average tax rate for the bottom 50 percent of taxpayers falls by 27 percent as compared to a 13 percent decline for taxpayers in the top 1 percent. Summary of Federal Individual Income Tax Data
stop defending the rich
Either you are rich or a fool..Do you actually think the rich are defending us the way you are defending them? We need to take care of the people who carry America on their backs, the middle class. The rich could not care less about us. They dont even know the workings of every day life. I have an extremely well off friend..he does not use credit cards..pays with cash..told me I should just pay with cash for my new Jeep that I bought a few years ago instead of monthly payments..yeah, right, LOL..thanks for the advice...moon beam..he never even used an ATM..thinks being rich is justified cause they can show us Renoir paintings (as when Bellagio had Steve Wynns paintings on show), they can show the little people the beauty of life..Oh geez..the rich do not even realize that the middle class exists..other than to work at their companies and factories, so they can stay rich.
who trashed rich republicans?
My post referred to rich people, not rich democrats or rich republicans, there can be nasty out of touch rich republicans and rich democrats. Where did you read that my post was putting down on rich republicans? Once again, you conservatives amaze me..you read things that arent there or you pump up the information you have to fit your own agenda and bias. Your post made no sense because no one from the posts I have read was trashing/putting down on republican rich.
Me..tear people apart...that's rich!
I did not use phrases like keep your butt in your chair and *defecate. That was your class act.
If Lurker does not mind being grouped with you, far be it from me to care. You can champion whoever you like.
Are you as angry as you sound? ;-)
Republicans = The rich and the fools.
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That's rich....coming from the party who is trying to...
silence talk radio. So much for free speech. There is that nasty double standard again.
That's rich, isn't it? "No President is above the law..."
Bill Clinton ring a bell?
Rich slithering around the country....
Well, I do know several rich families. One in particular that is very well off. They have a son who voluntarily went into the military out of high school and then went on to college. He wanted to make the military his career but his wife saw otherwise, so he does reserves. Well, he has been sent to Iraq twice, watched friends blown up in front of him, barely made it back alive himself. Now, he is being redeployed to Afghanistan in a few weeks, leaving behind his wife and two small children. He is one who firmly believes he is doing the right thing, even though this is extremely hard on his family. His rich republican daddy didn't make that decision one way or the other for him, he did. His rich republican daddy is very proud of his son. He could have not entered the military, but he chose to. He is a very successful businessman in his own right and not because of his father. He has worked hard in his own career. And, shock of all shock, he is WHITE!!!! I cannot tell you how many republican whites in my church alone have been deployed over and over to Iraq and Afghanistan, so you need to stop your pity party and false accusations that just poor blacks/nonwhites are sent off to war. Remember, none of them had to sign up, they chose to, just like all the whites who put their name on the dotted line did. We have lost dozens of young men in our nearby communities to Iraq, and I can honestly say it wasn't more blacks/nonwhites to whites. You really need to stop spreading that kind of thinking. Just be grateful there is no forced servitude into the military (drafting), which is not what a free country should have in the first place. I don't want anyone fighting for my country who is being forced and not a willing participant.
What corporations and rich folks have done for you...
they already and have always paid the bulk of taxes that keep this country running. But you still want them to pay more? You really think it is fair for those who have been successful to redistribute their money to other people? Be punished for success? I do not get that mindset. Sorry.
As to the rich having more power...the remedy to that is getting someone in Washington that will address the under the table power brokering, under the table pork barrelling and under the table lobbying. McCain is the one who has a history of trying to do just that. With the veto pen, he can put his money where his mouth is.
And contrary to popular opinion, not all rich people are Republicans. If Obama thinks higher taxes on the rich are the answer and all his supporters think so, then let him tax all rich Democrats. Let them check that box on their income tax returns and just give more. Let HIM do that. They could have been doing this all along. Stop taking all the deductions they take. Put their money where their mouth is. Lead by example. And if they want to redistribute that to other Democrats, more power to them. Just leave we independents and republicans who do not want to participate out of it.
Works for me.
Obama's definition of rich
Being so hateful and against Hillary all these months (and for Obama), after finding this article I now am rethinking my decision as to why I thought he was the better of the two.
Obama's Scary Definition of "Rich"
I was a bit alarmed last night when during the debate Obama said that people who earned $97K a year are not part of the middle class and therefore should have their payroll taxes raised. Good grief, if this guy gets in the White House, hide your wallets.
If Obama thinks someone making $97K a year is in some way "rich" and not part of the middle class, I hesitate to think what tax hikes he has in store for people who make $250K or more.
I worry when I find myself agreeing with Hillary, but I found myself nodding when she responded by pointing out that in some states such a salary is definitely middle class, and that in New York school superindents, school principals, fire department chiefs, etc., etc. earn more than $97K and yet certainly can't be considered "rich."
Mike Griffith
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service. . . ." -- John Adams, Inaugural Address, March 4, 1797
I'm surely NOT RICH and I want no part of it in my
country. Like the other poster said, Cuba has real estate for sale. How many Cubans (besides that little boy that was adrift and landed in the US) actually want to go BACK to Cuba??
weaving a rich tapestry of
today's posts. I saw Gov rendell say that to make the voters in PA happy, all they needed was a warm place to do their business and some big shoes. That might explain a few things about today's subjects
Somebody got a little hatred of RICH folks?
McCain's wife coming from money has no bearing....she is an awsome woman, just as her husband is an awesome man. Get over it that you weren't born with a silver spoon in your mouth for heaven sake.
And since when do the rich and powerful get to make...sm
all the decisions for the hardworking, undereducated, less intelligent, the poor and middle class to their own benfit. That is not a democracy.
Keep it up girl! RICH is NOT a bad word, only for
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'outlaw' something that so many of 'em got rich
sheesh
He said it was patriotic for the rich to pay more taxes -
I can hardly disagree with him. The rich of the United States are not sending their children to war to die, they don't get dirty when the country needs it, what is wrong with asking them to contribute something more?
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