Read up on venezuela. And Cuba...Cuba started with a "socialist"
Posted By: sam on 2008-10-09
In Reply to: Doesn't anyone know what it will mean for us to live in a socialist country? - dee
revolution...they are Communist today.
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Yes, there was a revolution in Cuba....
did not say anything about a revolution here, although with Bill Ayers around...who knows. He could be our next secretary of defense. lol.
Cuba communist not socialist. nm
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What do you actually know about health care in Cuba? sm
from what I have been able to find out about it, Cuba has excellent basic healthcare for all. Do you have sources that say different, or are you just guessing?
Obama wants to loosen sanctions on Cuba...sm
With Cuba realigning itself once more with Russia and strengthening ties with China and Venezuela, is this a good idea considering they are only 90 miles off our coast? 
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-12-07-obamacuba_N.htm?csp=34
dr's urge america to accept cuba's offer
Doctors Urge US To Accept Cuba's Offer Of 1586
Disaster-Trained Doctors
By Ken Thomas
Associated Press Writer
9-8-5
ATLANTA (PRNewswire) -- A prominent U.S. medical group
voiced deep concern over delays in health care and
epidemic prevention reaching Katrina victims, and
urged U.S. authorities to accept Cuba's offer of 1586
disaster-trained physicians to prevent a second wave
of sickness and death.
Latest reports indicate the U.S. State Department is
backing away from the offer, implying they are not
needed.
Up to this point, there been a clear need for more
medical help for Katrina victims, said Peter Bourne,
MD, Chairman of MEDICC and former special adviser on
health in the Carter White House and former Assistant
Secretary General at the United Nations. The Cuban
physicians are accustomed to working in difficult
third-world conditions without the resources and
supplies most of us are accustomed to. Since they are
just an hour away, it is a shame that they have not
been allowed to join our committed medical corps
already.
He is joined by other physicians, medical educators,
international health experts and a former U.S. surgeon
general associated with MEDICC, Medical Education
Cooperation with Cuba. From 1998 through 2004, MEDICC
has provided medical electives in Cuba for nearly 1000
students and faculty from 118 U.S. medical, public
health and nursing schools.
Cuba has been recognized by the UN, Oxfam and other
international organizations as a leader in disaster
response, expertise that could be saving lives now,
said Doctor William Keck, former long-time director of
the Akron, Ohio Department of Public Health.
A 2004 Oxfam Report, Weathering the Storm: Lessons in
Risk Reduction from Cuba, states that there are real
lessons to be learned from Cuba on how to safeguard
lives during extreme natural disasters, including
getting medical attention to vulnerable populations.
The report can be found at
http://www.oxfamamerica.org/cuba.
On Tuesday, August 30, Cuba first offered U.S.
authorities hurricane relief in the form of 1100
disaster-trained bilingual physicians, each equipped
with 52-pound pound backpacks of medical supplies,
including rehydration therapy, insulin,
anti-hypertensives, and medications for systemic and
topical infections.
On Saturday, September 3, Cuba increased the offer to
1586 doctors, ready for immediate deployment and
prepared to stay as long as necessary to help wherever
needed. A Cuban spokesperson said that as of today
there has been no official response from the U.S.
government.
Cuban disaster relief experience spans 45 years,
mainly in hurricanes faced by the Caribbean island and
in coping with disasters confronted by other
developing countries. Another nearly 25,000 Cuban
health professionals provide longer-term health care
services in 68 countries, under
government-to-government agreements.
Cuba trains 10,500 medical students from 27 countries
at its Latin American Medical School -- 65 of them
from poor and minority communities in the USA. (See
The New England Journal of Medicine, 2004;
351:2680-82.)
What an irony that the first U.S. MD to graduate from
the school this August is a young African American
from New Orleans, said Diane Appelbaum, RN, NP, MS.
He just passed the U.S. medical boards and is eager
to fulfill the commitment he made in exchange for his
free education from Cuba to serve the very
poverty-stricken areas now devastated.
For additional first-hand reports and interviews from
Cuba, please see MEDICC's on-line journal, MEDICC
Review at http://www.medicc.org, Archives, Vol VI, No.
3, 2004 Disaster Management in Cuba: Reducing the
Risk.
MEDICC (Medical Education Cooperation with Cuba) is a
non-profit organization based in Atlanta. MEDICC is
committed to maintaining institutional and educational
links between the U.S. and Cuban medical communities.
MEDICC publishes the English-language journal MEDICC
Review, reporting on Cuba's medical and public health
programs, available at
http://www.medicc.org.
Yeah, check out health care in Cuba....
quite an acorn.
Relax, "socialist" is the tag that every republican...sm
candidate in my lifetime has at some time attached to the democratic candidate as a scare tactic. This is nothing new. Of note, there is a reason it is called the "democratic" party and not the socialist party, progressive party, communist party, fascist party or nazi party. We believe in a democratic party of the people, by the people and for the people, not for just the few who are the richest and think they know what is best for US.
Viva Venezuela!
Robertson's Not Alone in His Dislike of Chavez
By Mattie Weiss
Star Tribune
Monday 29 August 2005
Last Monday, Christian televangelist Pat Robertson called for the assassination of Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez. While Robertson's remarks were shocking in their utter disregard for global democracy and the rule of law (he eventually apologized), he is by no means the first to beat the drum against Venezuela.
In fact, his comments were merely a more vitriolic version of what the Bush administration has been saying for some time, with declarations to contain Chavez and the funneling of millions of dollars to opposition groups within the country. The White House even supported a 2002 military coup, before popular uprisings restored Chavez to power. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and now Robertson are all in their own ways trying to build the case that Chavez is a menace, a danger to democracy and a source of instability in the region.
But I was in Venezuela just this month. And I saw a different reality.
I attended the 16th World Festival for Youth and Students, which drew more than 15,000 young peace and justice activists from across the globe.
What I saw, in the enormous city of Caracas and the rural towns of Monagas state, were huge numbers of people who, for the first time in their lives, have free and adequate health care, the opportunity to attend university, access to land grants and work contracts, constitutionally assured rights for women and indigenous people, and free breakfast programs for children. And with all this, a sense of dignity and ownership over their lives.
Let me show you.
In a room that smells of Tiger Balm, with rain beating on the roof, a doctor massages the curled hands and feet of a crippled boy while his mother murmurs gentle words. Before the free hospital was built, the boy had no access to regular physical therapy and lived in constant pain.
An old woman, her eyes gleaming through thick glasses, says that two years ago, when she enrolled in a reading class taught by university volunteers, she practically ate the books in her hunger for words, flying through basic reading and moving on to high school equivalency courses. She plans to attend one of the nation's new free public universities next year. At 76 she dreams of being a lawyer.
The 22-year-old Osmar, with tight curls and baggy jeans, says that in yesterday's Venezuela he would have been a taxi driver or sold cigarettes on the street, doing work without honor. But he was among the thousand top scorers on a nationwide exam and will soon leave for five years of free medical school in Cuba.
These individuals, like millions across Venezuela, have experienced tangible, visible change in their lives over the last several years. But while these changes have made Chavez a hero in the eyes of Venezuela's poor majority, they have made him an enemy in the White House.
It makes Washington's blood boil that Chavez not only denounces its global mandates of fiscal austerity, structural adjustment and radical privatization, but that Venezuela has the resources to successfully enact its own development model.
Using its oil wealth, Venezuela is constructing one of the truly alternative models of economic growth in today's world. The fourth-largest exporter of petroleum to the United States, Venezuela has shifted production from multinational corporations into the hands of the state, which now harvests the bulk of this liquid gold in order to sembrar el petroleo, sow the oil, and invest billions inwards.
So while Venezuela sows its oil, Washington is sowing the seeds to unseat Chavez. It is building up the case for invasion, a coup or an assassination. If, for many of us, Robertson's comments were the first we registered of this positioning, it is not the first for Venezuelans, who speak often of being the potential next battleground, overt or covert, in the United States' deceptive and never-ending war on terrorism.
Let us be wary. Very. For those moving to vilify Chavez are the same people who knowingly lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, who used nonexistent uranium to justify a war in which tens of hundreds of young Americans and countless Iraqis have died.
Let's also honor the value of freedom, of human dignity and democracy. Let us support Venezuela's right to build its own future.
Venezuela will ship 1,000,000 barrels to USA
Venezuela will ship an additional 1,000,000 barrels in the wake of Katrina
Venezuela Embassy, Washington D.C. -- Press Release -- September 7, 2005: As announced by President Hugo Chavez, the Venezuelan national oil company, Petroleos de Venezuela (PDVSA) will ship approximately one million barrels of PDVSA-produced gasoline this month directly to the United States in the wake of the horrible devastation and destruction caused by Hurricane Katrina.
This volume is in addition to PDVSA’s normal shipments to the United States.
“Venezuela is privileged to be able to help the United States in this time of need,” said Venezuela's Ambassador to the United States, Bernardo Alvarez Herrera. “We see ourselves as a compassionate people and hope that our efforts will help cope with current market needs of the U.S. for gasoline, and provide some immediate relief to the victims of this horrific natural disaster.”
Four additional shipments of gasoline, totaling over 960,000 barrels, taken from storage and diverted from other customers, will be sent to and distributed by PDVSA’s wholly-owned US subsidiary, CITGO Petroleum Corp (CITGO) and will supplement PDVSA’s previously scheduled shipments to CITGO in September of 1.2 million barrels of petroleum.
Each of the four additional gasoline shipments will be sent from Venezuela to CITGO during the following time frames:
September 14-16, September 23-25, September 28-30 and September 29-October 1.
With shipping time from Venezuela to the US Gulf Coast only four-five days, these shipments from Venezuela will arrive much more quickly than cargoes from Europe, the Middle East or Asia and, hence, will be able to meet US needs that much sooner.
PDVSA is the fifth largest provider of petroleum products in the world and the third largest provider to the United States. During the last year, Venezuela has occasionally been the largest supplier of oil to the United States, surpassing Saudi Arabia, Canada and Mexico. It exports 95% of its hydrocarbons, 57% of which are earmarked for the United States. PDVSA’s oil refining capacity globally is 3.3 million barrels per day.
Venezuela and Russia are going to hold
military manuevers near Venezuela.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457106,00.html
Check out Venezuela....they have a socialist...
government. Does that look pretty good to you? And also, while you are at it, check history, and see where most socialist governments end up. I prefer good old capitalism, and they can KEEP socialism AND communism. I wish our current Prez shared my views, but he doesn't.
This all started because you said
*founded on Christian principles*....now I see you've moderated it to *God* Yes, they were *Deists* not Christians as you said in your first post...big difference....not that you will even admit there is a difference.
First of all, GP started this particular
thread, so she is not responding to anybody's attacks in this case. Second, I think it is very mean to attack someone's religious beliefs. Third, GP indicated that George Bush said that God told him to be president. If I remember correctly, George Bush said that God told him to RUN for president. So he did. SP did not say that God doing the right thing would put McCain in the White House, nor did she imply it. She said that she has faith that God will do the right thing and that his will for the country will be done. Imagine, two Christian practicing their faith and treating God as if he actually exists.
Guess what? God told me to call my sister last weekend. Am I delusional too? Or is it only delusional to think God speaks and leads if you are national figure?
That is not how it started...
This has been going on for quite a while on the Politics forum. The rabid right-wing Christians have been forcing their beliefs on all of us for months and months and months. They have quoted scripture and told us that anyone who does not believe as they do is destined to burn in eternal fire. They have no respect for people of other religions. I was born into a Jewish family, and I have never felt animosity towards any Christian until recently. These posters have forever changed my opinion of Christianity and not for the better!
For nm-So have I. Plus 2 others started lately.
Does that give you a hint?
Don't get that started here......... sm
That is rude and totally uncalled for.
Looks like you started it
When you tried to accuse W of having a double digit and O of triple.
The fact of the matter is you don't know what GW's score is or O's for that matter. I've been on several sites pro and con for both sides. I've read that people were trying to pass a lie that GWs was 99 (looks like you want to believe the lie too). However there are many sites that say he scored around 129. They also said that some people want to believe O's is higher, but according to his SAT/LSAT is ranges in the 115-120. However, it also says that he won't release his SAT score. Imagine that....Obama not releasing information? Say it ain't so Joe.
The fact is before you start accusing someone of a low or high IQ score maybe you should research a little more. We get it, by your posts you don't like GW. Don't know many who do (including myself), but I don't lie to make one look bad.
Don't even get me started.
Double standards, contradicting, arrogance, etc. How much money does that jet cost for promotional tours? I thought stimulus passed.
You don't even know who I am, I only started coming here.
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No, it started with a real
when they couldn't find anything, they dug up the sex scandal. Clinton was investigated for 7 years; can you name a high-level Clinton administartion official indicted? I know Clinton can't practice law; he was also impeached...what's your point?
So if WWWIII is to be started to
we're just supposed to sit down and shut up? Excuse me, but I was raised Catholic and I do not support this at ALL. Bush does NOT have a direct line to God Almighty.
No, not at all...it started on the far left rag...
the dailykos. That is where it broke. And then the rest of the far left picked it up and ran with it.
I was the first to congratulate Obama on his renouncing of the behavior. But even with him saying that, his supporters continue the salvos at Palin's family. Big time Dem pundits on TV still taking shots at her. Blogs still taking shots at her. Posters on this board still taking shots at her. Now you take people who are not committed yet, they see this happening, and you are left with only two conclusions...either Barack was very serious and meant what he said (which I believe) and his followers and pundits and the media are still going to attack regardless; or that he just made that statement to take the political high road while all the time in the background he is saying "sic her." It has to be one of the two...but either way, if his supporters and big Dem pundits continue the attack it reflects badly on his candidacy. I realize that he cannot control what people do...but one would think they would heed what he says (they claim to believe everything he says) and just lay off...but, to each his own.
Let's just get some more rumors started.
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you are wishing him out before he has even started?
I understand being cautious, but can't you give the guy a chance? I gave Bush a chance even though I didn't vote for him. I'm not happy with how it turned out, but I wasn't wishing him out of office before he even started.
If your son joined after the war started...
I would be interested to know what HE thinks. There is no draft. No need to send your son to die. Again, you and I disagree on whether or not we should be there. I think that it is silly to think that Hussein was not a threat, or at the very least, a future serious threat. I think our biggest mistake was not taking him out and getting this all done the first time.
Judy started it.......
then I just got sucked in. It was like watching the toilet overflow. What can you do?
I know the Californias started
For awhile, I thought I was in California with all the license plates and Hawaiian shirts everywhere. Got tired of all the traffic too.
they became Medquist! I started sm
wit the Detroit office of TL in 1981 and worked for the company until February of 2006. Like you I made big bucks but after the change to the name Medquist and subsequent yearly changes like everyone else I left. At one time I workekd directly for John Donoho out of the Feasterville office and couldn't have been happier. My whole career with them was spent working at home but hiring MTs and supervising in the area that I live in. I miss the way it use to be. I was 50 years old when I left them and I truly remember a time when they valued their employees, gave bonuses, raises and great Christmas gifts. Its too bad MTs starting out now don't have that type of experience. Yes you could write your own ticket even with TL. They would gladly give out a good raise to a person who had great quality and production and was loyal to the company. Very sad to see what they hve done.
Wrong. It may have started that way...
But once again has degenerated to immature name calling and personal attacks.
5 years old? well when do you think the war started?
who hid a fact there were no WMDs? and there WERE you just dont find the mass media reporting on them. ill find that link to if you would like me to if you want to deny there were ever any weapons found, and let me remind you how long did they have before we invaded to move the weapons?
No iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, that was not why we went in now is it? was that said? We are attacking Iraq because they attacked us? NO, because they WOULD HAVE ATTACKED US as soon as they could.
as most everyone in that link agreed...
5 years old? well when do you think the war started?
who hid a fact there were no WMDs? and there WERE you just dont find the mass media reporting on them. ill find that link to if you would like me to if you want to deny there were ever any weapons found, and let me remind you how long did they have before we invaded to move the weapons?
No iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, that was not why we went in now is it? was that said? We are attacking Iraq because they attacked us? NO, because they WOULD HAVE ATTACKED US as soon as they could.
as most everyone in that link agreed...
Just remember that you started this one...LOL..(sm)
First of all, I am a firm believer in evolution. From what we know from archeologists, man started in small groups and gradually formed larger and larger groups, forming communities. We do know that they worked collectively for the benefit of the community, some hunting, some preparing meals, etc. So, I think there is a large element in society that says we choose what is "right" for the sake of the good/success/survival of the community.
I know that most will say the Bible, and I think the Bible did play a role, but not the only role. This is evidenced by the fact that all cultures have gone through this evolution of determining what is right and wrong. Consider the tribe in the middle of nowhere (and yeah there are still a few) that has had no contact with ANY religion. Scientists have studied cases like this before and have found that even they have a set of "rules" that they go by, and these rules were based on what would or would not benefit their community.
I think the most important thing though is that the rules of right and wrong are constantly changing as we evolve. If you asked your standard white christian lady in the 1800s if it was okay to beat the slave out back, the answer would have most likely been yes. Ask the same question today of anyone and the answer should be no.
So, I think evolution and probably instinct for self preservation are the key factors.
This probably all started with a 7-yo misunderstanding his teacher.nm
The flames have begun. They were started by you.
All you've done since you've come here is flame and insult. If you'd treat people with some respect and dignity, you'd be surprised at how quickly it would come back at you. Instead, you're treated the way you treat others. How does it feel?
I cited examples of true things that happened. Unlike you, I didn't bash or negatively judge one single poster on this board.
Yes, I call them CONS, as in NEOCONS. I don't know how anyone who believes they are a Republican can worship someone as they do Bush who is the complete antithesis of anything REPUBLICAN.
Since you continue to show your contempt for the monitor and the monitor's rules, how about you leave me alone on this board, and I'll return the favor?
Nah, you aren't capable of doing that, are you? Well, keep flaming away. I'll take the higher road which you've never traveled and ignore you.
One more thing: Every single thing I posted is the truth. Your claim that it's hysteria without any facts to back it up merely proves the negative value you contribute to this board.
If you're referring to my health situation as hysteria, then until you've walked in my shoes and know what I've been through in the last month healthwise, you have no basis or right to claim that anything I said is hysteria. Having no compassion for someone who's very ill is clearly a CON point of view, so dressing yourself up in a costume representing another political party isn't fooling anyone. You may be a little higher up on the food chain than I am, maybe insulated with a husband who provides you with health insurance and additional income, but America has become a hungry shark where only the strongest survive, the weakest are disposable, and the same thing could happen to you.
Maybe not but our future could have started 5-1/2 years ago.
Bush's policies in all areas are making it look pretty bleak. 
You started the condescending, Teddy...
read your post again. It was very condescending. You talked down to me, and I thought it might be fun to respond from down there where you put me. You talked down to me and you were rude. You know it and I know it. I was just giving it back to you. Now that we are past the kid stuff, could you please answer my question, and enlighten me as to what the *big picture* was that I missed and leave the condescending attitude out of it. As to being a dumb condescending Polack...your words, and not mine...it is so hilarious to me the parallels. My guy is of Polack/German ancestry and he is standing behind me as I type, and we are enjoying a good laugh, so thank you from this Choctaw/Cherokee/Irish gal and her dumb Polack guy. LOL. We are looking forward to the *big picture* point, though.
Not to get a fight started...just an observation...
that little twinge is probably be the Holy Spirit and you would be well served to maybe listen to it....? Or perhaps you think not listening to the twinge in favor of listening to John Edwards is the better path.
God bless!
WHy don't we check and see which administration started...
borrowing money from China. The Clinton administration took huge amounts of money from Chinese...remember the scandal? Ahem.
I did NOT imply that his camp started it....
in fact, I said the dailykos started it, and unless his camp blogs there and I don't know it, that is exactly what I meant. What I said is that when he asks his supporters not to continue and they persist, it reflects negatively on his candidacy in some people's minds...and that is all I said. I also said that I believe him and that he was sincere...and that his supporters are ignoring him. However, I have heard others suggest that he is saying that publically but behind the scenes his camp is fanning it. I did not say it, and I do not personally think it, and would not unless it was proven. All I am saying is that some perceive it that way.
Thanks for the links. I started reading through them. sm
I started with the first link and only got partially through Palin's. Hope to go back later to finish it and read the other candidates too.
One of the things I read it said where her husband worked for BP. They had said that he would quit if she were elected gov. but after she was they backed out of that and stated that since he was not management it wouldn't matter or wouldn't be a conflict. But wouldn't it be? He works for an oil company, she is for the drilling of oil, etc. To me that is still a big conflict.
Also, why is one thing saying he quit and another thing saying he still works there part-time. This link from above was a direct quote from them I believe.
Anyway, again, thanks for the links. Hope to read up some more tonight.
LOL!. That is where the problem started. Mexicans
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All you have to do is look at the figures and when they started declining....
and 20 months is about right. This democratically controlled congress sat on their hands even when Greenspan was telling them they needed to tighten up on Freddie and fannie. Instead they made their hold on the housing market even bigger.
They failed to act to do anything about rising cost of fuel, went on freaking vacation rather than vote on energy bill. Not only do we need to vote in McCain/Palin, we need to clean up that viper pit that is Congress and finally start acting like adults and work together to clean up that viper pit. Only one candidate is talking about that, and it isn't yours.
Now that you mention it....here are links to get you started.
Ignore it if you like...but you know, the duck thing...if it quacks like a duck.
All of these things can be independently verified. The policies that he is proposing are socialism 101...redistribution of wealth. The "people" of Cuba has not done so well after the Castro/Che Guevara revolution, now have they?
http://politicalcenter.newsvine.com/_news/2008/05/04/1466498-obamas-marxist-revolution-must-be-rejected-
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/07/what_barack_obama_learned_from.html
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-international-socialist-connections
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/08/31/america/France-Socialists-Obama.php
http://www.acton.org/commentary/443_marxist_roots_of_black_liberation_theology.php
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2008/08/michelle_obama_4.php
http://www.tysknews.com/Articles/dnc_corruption.htm
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=75101
I wouldn't even get started in that direction
Don't even get into donning church talk or we can bring up a whole lot of information about Obama and his ties to the Muslim church and then Rev. Wright, Frank Marshall Davis, Larry Sinclair, and the multitude of other liasions and then right before him getting into politics he just happens to swtich. If you open up a can of worms be prepared to have the mud slung back at ya.
The "revolution" started as socialism....
and as socialism generally does, rolls into communism and dictatorship. Che Guevara introduced communism to Castro. Che Guevara...far left Marxist. The one whose pic is in an Obama campaign office. Obama studied and taught Alinsky method of organizing...Alinsky = communist. See a common socialist/communist thread here?
Who is the REAL Barack Obama? Does anyone really know?
He quit after he started his campaign
has fallen off the wagon several times during the campaign, just FYI.
That is when this started, back during the primaries
The first lawsuit that is still ongoing was filed by a lifelong democrat attorney in Pennsylvania.
But yes, I agree with you on that last point.
Not so fast Mrs. M.....Democrats started
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Unfortunately changed started 8 years ago. n/m
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my job has already been affected since this stuff started -
I am already down about $1500 a month in the last 3 months. I know what is going to happen - but I don't think I should have to keep helping bail other people out!
Is anybody helping bail me out because I cannot pay my mortgage this month? No - because I was responsible... is anybody helping me out because I can't put gas in my car this week? No, they are not. Is anybody helping me out with the power bill, the water bill - are they going to pay my cable so that it is not turned off this week? No they are not.
It is time to stop bailing these companies out and let them figure out how to straighten their messes out on their own.
We are just giving these companies more money for more of the same and I for one am tired of doing it.
Actually, Bush Senior started the
tradition of pardoning the Thanksgiving turkey in 1989. His son has continued the tradition.
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