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Radical relationships proved or hear say?

Posted By: gourdpainter on 2008-10-31
In Reply to: How ANYONE could vote for O with his RADICAL - relationships should feel ashamed!.nm

Unless you're talking about preacher Wright?  I am beginning to wonder why that is not an issue since John Mccain is so righteous.




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I referred to in my other post, the fact that I lived in the region and worked with refugees both here and over there, my info comes from all over the place because I make a concerted effort to educate myself on these issues, especially the history of the region, its political parties and the constant interference it has had to withstand from the West for the past 100 years or so. The only thing you suppposedly "know" about who is supporting "these terrorists" is what you are told by a skewed one-sided press that has done nothing but promote and serve the government's agenda when it comes to Israel.

I gave you several logical reasons based on well-known facts that mitigate against the idea that Iran smuggles arms to Hamas. If you knew anything about the occupation and about the relationships of the parties, you would know how logistically impossible that notion is. If you are referring to Hamas instead of Iran (hard to tell by the way you phrased your post), then what you are trying to say is even more absurd and AGAIN is nothing more than a regurgitation of what the media is feeding you.

Hamas are citizens of Gaza themselves and they live in a place that is the 6th most densely populated area in the world. There are 10,792 Gazans per square mile with a total area of only 139 square miles. It is blockaded by land and sea by Israel. There is no exit from the place and there is no way Hamas can NOT live among its own fellow citizens, who by the way, elected them to office in a democratic process, hold them in high regard and recognize them as their representatives. They are hardly embedding or hiding themselves anywhere. They live there, for heaven's sake.

Now whose putting words in whose mouth? I know no such thing and agree with nothing you have said here. You also have no idea how I feel about my country or my fellow Americans. I will not hesitate to say that I think the US policy on Israel is ignorant, barbaric, self-serving and has really very little to do with support of Israel or her people. That makes it hypocritical as well, and I really do not like it one bit when my own government lies to me, which it constantly does about Israel. I also have fairly hostile feelings toward anyone who supports this terrorist apartheid state and turns a blind eye to the human abuses there and to the fact that the only terrorists breeding terrorism there are the Israelis and their benefactors.

As a real American, who is patriotic enough to care about what this country has become, and especially how it's better side has been so eroded by the Bush years, I get to say those things, think those things and still be considered your fellow citizen. Like the Palestinians, I am not going anywhere and your little love it or leave it mantra and your fellow choir members who chant it ad nauseum are nearing extinction, so I'll pass on any further time-consuming comment on that one.


How about Obama's lies regarding his relationships
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Obama lies about his relationships and is a big
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You just proved how clueless you are
Are your paranoid or have you been drinking again?  I love confusing liberals, but then it's not too hard to do.
You proved your point to yourself.
I was responding to the he original statement about white reaching minority status by 2042. I was not trying to discuss immigration policy. I stated my opinion and put out some objective facts. I'm am not overlooking the word "illegals"…just refusing to engage in myopic nationalism. Facts are facts. Whites will be outnumbered. I think it's a good thing. You don't. I don't find their presence in the country particularly disturbing. I understand the political forces at play in this issue to my own satisfaction. Personally, I think it has been a long time coming and it has arrived for reasons much more complex than the anti-immigration cult dogma found on this forum. I am very much at peace with the idea. You're not. So sue me.
You proved my point
he can't do both. You're too old, Go home.
Thank you! You just proved the point with the
voting present. That is basically what it means in the Il. state when you vote the present.
You proved my point.
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You just proved my point.
I love it when people are too cowardly to give themselves a name and, instead, hide under the "nm" moniker.

You're right.

You have absolutely NO MESSAGE.

Pfffffft.
LOL! I've proved it???!!

For the last EIGHT LONG YEARS, all I've heard is, "It's CLINTON'S fault."  Now all I'm hearing, BEFORE THE MAN IS EVEN INAUGURATED, "It's OBAMA'S fault."


If/when Obama does something to deserve "fault," you can bet I'll be one of the first to say it.  However, the man hasn't even taken his oath of office, and all the soothsayers on this board have already judged his presidency to be a failure.


All the anti-Obama rhetoric is quickly getting old, again, BEFORE the man has even taken his oath of office.


The people have spoken, and the majority of them voted for Obama.  Please...get used to it and at least TRY to inspire some good feelings and hope instead of whining all the time.


This board has become a very toxic place to visit. 


Yup, you proved my point
Guess I should have expected nothing less than a juvenile reply.

Don't know who "Sue Ann" is. But then again I expected nothing more than in incoherent reply and that didn't surprise me either.

Have a good one, I've heard Obama is planning to pass out lots of Kool-aid at the coronation (oh I mean innaugeration). Don't forget to get in line. Oh yes, and it's free (or so he say's, you'll just be taxed for it later).
you do know, proved by your posts below.
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Umm.... I think you just proved her point.

Actually, you just proved her/his point.
I just stated the facts. You were the one who stooped to personal attacks. Nice going right back at you!
your post proved my point
My post has turned out to be a right winger nothing to attack GT fall back on that post thingy, LOL, so funny.  I love it.  Anway, isnt hell and burning in hell where xtians say we all go when we commit crimes, break the ten commandments?  Well, that is what I wish for this administration and Bush and his family.  It is obvious that is where they are headed when standing in judgment for this war.  But, hey, I get it, the old right wingy thingy, do as I say, not as I do.  The xtians can spout all the time about burning in hell but if a liberal says it, oopphhss..the worst thing in the world.  Right winger, Coulter can say liberals ought to be shot and publish plagerized books full of lies, but hey, she is a right winger, its okay, right winger, Robertson, can call for the assassination of a duly elected leader, but hey, he is a right winger, its okay.  Right wingers equals a bunch of hypocrites...  Anyway, your post to me proves my point of attacking and ranting and raving from the right wing.  *BIG HUG to ya*.
You have just proved the point I made below

While I don't agree with your opinion 100 percent at least you can talk to us without making anything we say personal, A.W. and Carla cannot.


I'll agree that some had a visceral hatred of Clinton.  I never did personally.  I didn't vote for him, did not think he was a good president, but I didn't walk around everyday blaming everything bad in my life on him either.  I disliked by his personal example that he lowered the morality level in our country several notches, and yes, I do think that he should have been thrown out of office for #1) having sexual favors performed just outside the oval office by someone other than his wife, and #2) then looking in the face of every American and lying about it (#2 being the damning impeachable offense).


At this point I haven't seen proof that Bush has done anything impeachable.  I think Bush has done some good things while in office and has also done some things I don't agree with.  However, if I support the president in any way then I'm accused of bowing down and worshipping at his feet by A.W. and Carla, and let's not forget the late-to-this-board gt.  Their reactions are way beyond the rational although it is understandable why Carla may have these strong feelings given what she's gone through this year.  I think she may be misdirecting some of her anger though.


 


do you know what YOU PROVED MY POINT MEANS?
IT MEANS that there is NOTHING else to say to you because you have no intelligence left to discuss with, that's the bottom line. you proved OUR point by just wanting to name call instead of having a discussion. This is so stupid we have to do this back and forth and look you ALWAYS have to have the last word... you'll probably prove my point on that one too!!!
You just proved my point. - no message
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Yes. That poster more than proved your point.

You're reaching out to a person whose views you respect and are looking for an intelligent, adult conversation to take place.  About 95% on this board are more comfortable playing the playground bully and calling names.  Unfortunately, there's just no value to be found in their form of communication.


Now you and I have given them the "gift" of having two more people to attack on this board.  Anyone else want to be bullied and treated badly?  Just say something even remotely nice to JTBB, and you'll be ready for the he!l they inhabit now.  It's really sad that such "Americanism" exists out there.


Well.....you proved her point with your zinger. Sigh. nm
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Geez. Well, just proved that the bottom of the barrel...
had not been reached until just now. What a nasty, sick comment.
You just proved my point. Still nothing positive to say about Obama.
There you go. At least counter the argument with something positive about Obama. That is if there is anything. Otherwise its all just blowing smoke.
Yep, sitting in Rev Wright's church sure proved that
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Either you can't read, or you've just proved her point. Nice going.
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Hear, hear! He is an exceptional person for an ....sm
exceptionable time. They say that God is watching us from a distance and I believe that is true. I think that Obama has a good pure heart, extraordinary intelligence, does truly want to improve our lives, and my prayers are with him. How about that he has Bobby Kennedy's desk (my hero).
radical jew
Radical jew:  Whew, I have known many.  Dress in all black, top hat, long side burns down to the elbows practically.  Will not even look towards anyone that isnt orthodox jew and believes like them, will dismiss you in an instant.  The ones who check restaurants and such places serving or making foods, they are paid off so the radical rabbis/orthodox jews give a clean bill of health for kosher, even though the establishments are kosher but the radical jews question it until they get $500.00 or more to give the okay and the establishments will pay cause without that okay that it is kosher, your company will go broke, at least in heavily jewish areas, NY, where I grew up.  They act like organized crime, for pete sake.  These guys are quite smart, they know how to work the system.  They get welfare.  They refuse to work as orthodox jews are supposed to pray and read and study all day and night, so the state (Im talking about NY state) gives them welfare as they are *holy men*.  They wont accept anyone that isnt born jewish.  Forget about marrying a non jew.  That person is a non person and will NEVER be accepted no matter what, not even if they become jewish.  Their children, born to a jew and non jew will also be nothing in the orthodox jews eyes.  I can go on and on.  Like I said, I invite you to check out New City, NY, Borough Park, Brooklyn and see what radical orthodox jews are all about.  I grew up with them.  Plus, a women is nothing in their eyes. If you go to synagogue with them, you sit in the back of the room. 
No more of a radical than Jesus was.

:)


Especially among the radical and oh-so-holy
Incredibly homophobic, too. Ever hear anything so silly as that 'pray-away-the-gay' convention going on up in Palin's hometown?
I am not radical because I am a Christian....
You need to do your homework and stop believing things you know nothing about.

My Bible teaches to love everyone, even those that hate you. The Muslim Qur'an teaches hate, hate, hate, to hate anyone who is not Muslim and to pray for their demise and they pray daily for only themselves, not others. All men are not created equal under Islam, according to their teaching. They believe that even their own people who may be handicapped are not equal to them. They believe in different levels of human value.

You know nothing of what you speak because if you did, you would realize my faith is NOTHING like that.
ma is tied to one radical after another.
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How ANYONE could vote for O with his RADICAL
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Radical Agenda...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/25/boxer-seeks-ratify-treaty-erode-rights/


 


 


I think the artciles are a little radical

but it depends how you look at it. I will be looking into this some more. As with any new bill, it is outrageously large.


Further on in the bill, it states what must be done and I must say, it may put a lot of restaurants, small fishing fleets, etc. out of business. The records that must be kept are absolutely ridiculous. I did see where food producers must keep a record of what they use to grow the food (fertilizers, other nutrients, food for animals etc.), where it comes from, and some really nitpicky rules.


Mainly, what I get from this bill is to protect the American people from big farm producers in meats, poultry, and veggies, and foreign meat and veggies so the illnesses that have become part of the American way of life are no more (dream on government).


From the bill itself:



      (5) CATEGORY 1 FOOD ESTABLISHMENT- The term `category 1 food establishment' means a food establishment (other than a seafood processing establishment) that slaughters, for the purpose of producing food, animals that are not subject to inspection under the Federal Meat Inspection Act or poultry that are not subject to inspection under the Poultry Products Inspection Act.



      (6) CATEGORY 2 FOOD ESTABLISHMENT- The term `category 2 food establishment' means a seafood processing establishment or other food establishment (other than a category 1 establishment) not subject to inspection under the Federal Meat Inspection Act, the Poultry Products Inspection Act, or the Egg Products Inspection Act, that processes raw seafood or other raw animal products, whether fresh or frozen, or other products that the Administrator determines by regulation to pose a significant risk of hazardous contamination.



      (7) CATEGORY 3 FOOD ESTABLISHMENT- The term `category 3 food establishment' means a food establishment (other than a category 1 or category 2 establishment) that processes cooked, pasteurized, or otherwise ready-to-eat seafood or other animal products, fresh produce in ready-to-eat raw form, or other products that pose a risk of hazardous contamination.



      (8) CATEGORY 4 FOOD ESTABLISHMENT- The term `category 4 food establishment' means a food establishment that processes all other categories of food products not described in paragraphs (5) through (7).



      (9) CATEGORY 5 FOOD ESTABLISHMENT- The term `category 5 food establishment' means a food establishment that stores, holds, or transports food products prior to delivery for retail sale.



      (10) CONTAMINANT- The term `contaminant' includes a bacterium, chemical, natural toxin or manufactured toxicant, virus, parasite, prion, physical hazard, or other human pathogen that when found on or in food can cause human illness, injury, or death.



      (11) HAZARDOUS CONTAMINATION- The term `hazardous contamination' refers to the presence of a contaminant in food at levels that pose a risk of human illness, injury, or death or are capable of reaching levels that pose such risk during the shelf life of the product.



      (12) FOOD- The term `food' means a product intended to be used for food or drink for a human or an animal and components thereof.



      (13) FOOD ESTABLISHMENT-




        (A) IN GENERAL- The term `food establishment' means a slaughterhouse (except those regulated under the Federal Meat Inspection Act or the Poultry Products Inspection Act), factory, warehouse, or facility owned or operated by a person located in any State that processes food or a facility that holds, stores, or transports food or food ingredients.




        (B) EXCLUSIONS- For the purposes of registration, the term `food establishment' does not include a food production facility as defined in paragraph (14), restaurant, other retail food establishment, nonprofit food establishment in which food is prepared for or served directly to the consumer, or fishing vessel (other than a fishing vessel engaged in processing, as that term is defined in section 123.3 of title 21, Code of Federal Regulations).



      (14) FOOD PRODUCTION FACILITY- The term `food production facility' means any farm, ranch, orchard, vineyard, aquaculture facility, or confined animal-feeding operation.

You are voting for a radical socialist.
Be VERY careful what you ask for.
That's not far right wing radical Christians..that's the
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Obama is the one with radical friends and
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I hate any of these radical groups
and the panthers are no better than the klan was and it does seem like the news media just ignores what they don't want to report. They certainly should not be allowed to block the entrance which they were doing this morning. I have heard cops have been preparing for rioting, so all please be careful. I am reminded of Rodney King and rabblerousers just started attacking whites with no regard for how they may have felt as individuals. And, once again, the military vote will not be counted - how long are we going to tolerate that? It arrived "too late", probably because it was sent too late by Washington. Amazing.
He is a radical.. wants to be Robin-Hood.
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Radical Islam is not a religion......
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So when do we canonize this radical anti-American? sm

Hugo Chavez I believe is a growing symbol on the American radical Left like his mentor Fidel Castro. Chavez is a paranoid anti-American who believes America is out to get him just like Fidel believed the same thing.


Robertson’s comments to assassinate Chavez, unfortnately strengthens Chavez’s tyrannical grip over his people (and his paranoia). Chavez himself is becoming a tyrant who is funding international terrorism. From al-Qaeda to FARC. Chavez’s mentor Fidel Castro has funded international terrorism from the PLO, Hezbollah, Tamil Tigers, African National Congress and a whole bunch of other terrorist groups.


Chavez is a threat to America because of his ties to Fidel Castro and to international terrorism. I mean if the radical Left really believe Robertson’s comments were wrong, why does it give them the right to support Fidel Castro and his pal Hugo Chavez? Why does the left-wing media like people such as Ted Turner who owns CNN get away with being Fidel Castro’s admirer? Yet when there are reports of Castro and Chavez killing or making tyrannical iron fist rules against their own people, it’s okay but complain whenever someone like Robertson or someone else makes a harsh comments against their idols (i.e. Castro and Chavez)?


There in lines the double-standard of the American radical Left and how much influence they have over the media. If it’s wrong for Pat Robertson to make those comments, then it’s ten times worse for any hardline Lefty in the American media to admire Fidel Castro or Hugo Chavez. But that never seems to be scorned by the media. Only Robertson’s statements.


and he was raised by his radical islamic stepfather

Be very aware..........


and if his wife is a member of the CFR - trust me, he's involved too.....


New World Order - New American Century - Skull and Bones - read up on it.........


And the radical religious right in America teaches...sm
that no one gets to heaven unless they believe in the "Lord Jesus Christ". I do not agree with either, but they both have the same belief that there is no way but their way. There is no difference.
It doesnt bother dems at all regarding O's radical
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Obama is a fraud and a radical, but the people will
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Prophets of Doom - liberal! - radical!

The GOP's new message: Despair







THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter






Either word-torturer Frank Luntz has been writing memos to the brass and issuing orders to the troops again, or the GOP is taking its verbal cues from none other than the certifiable Alan Keyes.


Have you noticed? "Radical" is the new socialist, the new liberal, the creeping unhinged hyperbole suitable for all occasions in describing President Obama's budget proposal. It's now conservative chic, simply all the rage: big-government "liberal" is so yesterday.


Gee, it's almost as if someone -- listening, Frank? -- has focus-grouped the lingering efficacy of again hauling out that old "liberal" bogeyman, only to find that most voters no longer care. After partaking of the desolating fruits of right-wing rule for so long, if liberal is its antithesis, then bring it on, they say.


They're finally numb to the right's tireless stigmatization of the word; hence a new one -- one with more shock-value kick to it -- was desperately needed. And "Radical" must have pegged the bogeyman-o-meter.


Never mind that what Obama now proposes is more or less the same he proposed for roughly two years on the campaign trail; and above all never mind that what he proposes is far more organically pragmatic than schematically liberal. For the right, debate is all about innovative exaggeration and ominous labeling -- "framing" remains the hot-button word for the partisan presentation of hot-button issues -- since an honest argument carries the insufferable risk of losing it.


Yes, I know the word has been thrown about by the right for some time now, or, to pinpoint its origination in application to Obama, since the fizzled phenomenon of William Ayers. But it was just yesterday that I noticed on the Sunday talk shows the word's almost Post-It-reminder-note-on-the-forehead usage by the distinguished gentlemen from the GOP.


The president is engaging in radical exercises, intoned the increasingly preprogrammed Sen. Lindsey Graham on "Meet the Press," oblivious to the profoundly non-radical nature of, say, even corporate support for some form of universal health care. Nor is equal opportunity of education -- so that, perhaps, just maybe, this nation can compete more effectively in the global rat race of capitalism -- customarily regarded by political theorists as Leninist to its core.


But hey, it's a lot more fun to bend reality when reality is incompatible with one's political agenda; and, of course, in this crowded age of competing messages, the bending must be done with overwhelming force and unprecedented volume.


Later, during MTP's roundtable discussion, the solemn consensus among three-fourths of the four-member panel was that the restoration of American confidence is indispensable as the first step in the restoration of the American economy.


Then came Panel Member Number Four, Newt Gingrich, the Big Idea Man, blasting away at -- any guesses? -- yep, Obama's radicalism. It was segment two; removed was the cardboard cut-out of Lindsey and installed was the cardboard cut-out of Newt. Yet the viewer would have hardly noticed the change in personnel. Both were reading from the same Orwellian Luntzism -- Obama's "radicalism" is double ungood.


What was Newt's alternative Big Idea? What, I hear you ask, was his counterproposition for solving what his party has created in the monstrous form of nearly insoluble problems?


Well, he didn't have one. Not one, not even a little Big Idea. Not even a whiff of one. Instead, he wanted us only to know that Obama's radicalism was undermining the very confidence that Newt's fellow panelists sought.


Newt wasn't doing that, mind you. Obama is, or rather, his radicalism is -- which at any rate just won't work, because it's too big in purpose, it's too challenging, it's simply too much for the American people to handle.


As I listened to Graham's rehearsed shock and awe, then Gingrich's, then a bit later Sen. Richard Shelby's strikingly similar exasperation on ABC's "This Week," it occurred to me that what now underlies the conservative argument is the precise opposite of what conservatives have argued for decades: that given a big enough challenge, Americans can accomplish anything -- but first, the gauntlet must be thrown.


I heard none of that yesterday. What I did hear was rote defeatism -- that determined countermeasures to undo what the right has wrought are doomed as radical impossibilities. In short, conservatives of Ronald Reagan's American Mornings are now banking on utmost despair, trusting that Americans will prefer that to "radical exercises."


And that's quite the seismic shift in their own message, a shift even greater than the one they're trying to impose on Obama's.


 


Protest Warriors was hacked by radical leftists. SM
The administrator's had nothing to do with it.  In fact, they fight this on a daily basis.  As far as ISP numbers, I don't know of a chat board anywhere where the administrator does not keep track.  And I don't know of one anywhere where the information is shared.
Are there any good books on *the radical terrorist mind*? sm
and whose the author?
his cousin is Raila Odinga - radical muslim

y'all need to further investigate and not via snopes either....Barack's cousin, Raila Odinga, executes genocide in Kenya.....


you all can just Google this issue and read all about it, I've been reading about it for months on end....and please do not shoot the messenger (me)  LOL


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Your arrogance just wreaks radical leftwing politics

It wreaks so much it stinks.


I weighed in with my radical retired Teamster husband

to make sure I get it right.  Having been married to me for a number of years, he is fairly well versed in the field of MT.  So let's look at unions from that perspective:


Say we have an MT who cherry picks and signs off every time a dictator comes up that she doesn't want to do.  Other MTs that have to pick up after this MT complain until the company finally decides to fire this bad MT.  Okay, the firing is done.  The slacking MT files a grievance with her union.  A hearing is scheduled with the Union representative, the company representative, the bad MT and any interested parties may also appear on either side as witnesses...a sort of trial if you will.  The company must present all records for the bad MT to day 1 of employment.  Co-workers can speak for or against the person.  Let's say that the documentation backs up the bad MT firing.  She is fired.......end of story.


Another real example:  Radical Teamster husband once had a hot-shot supervisor.  Husband got so angry one day that he threw a trash can at the supervisor.  He was fired.  He filed a greviance and was suspended until the hearing.  At the hearing the company brought their records of some 20 odd years of hard work and being a good employee, 1 episode of, I think they called it insubordination.    Co-workers appeared on behalf of husband.  Husband received a reprimand from the union about the trash can throwing incident and went back to his job.  Shortly thereafter the company fired the supervisor. Supervisors were not represented by the union and he was fired...period.


Wouldn't it be nice if MTs had someone to stand up for them today?


It's interesting how radical liberals have labeled themselves "moderate"...
and anyone who is conservative has been labeled extreme. I really think that it depends on who you are. I feel that gay marriage is an extremely liberal thing to support, as do, apparently, the majority voters in California, yet the liberal left would have us believe that being against gay marriage is extreme and for it is moderate. Just something to think about.