Proof? Or is that not important to Dems?
Posted By: reboot on 2008-09-29
In Reply to: And I worry about PALIN's obsession with it! - (If I were Wiccan, I'd be worried, as well....)
Palin has never said word ONE about 'witchcraft.'
What you bitterly cling to is a YouTube video of Palin standing before her church's congregation for a blessing. (We whacky Christians do that stuff all the time, kuz, y'know, it works and stuff.) A VISITING minister from Africa (y'know, where Obama's father is from?) has CULTURAL beliefs which differ from western culture and in asking for God's blessing and protection he incorporated that word from his CULTURE.
Are you condemning Palin for what some visiting minister from Africa said? Or are you just condemning his CULTURE? Is that what you're using to try and whip up a frenzy about your cause celeb? So, so sad.
Can we say "Deliver us from evil?" (Lord's prayer since you probably aren't aware of that quote.) Would THAT be okay with you?
I say again, I worry about your fanatical obsession with the already disproven subject. Maybe there's a Salem 12-Step program or something. :)
Let's count how many more times you can throw out your 'lookie-lookie-guys-WITCHCRAFT' post before election day. Maybe you'll sway one person into voting for your candidate. Probably not, but there's no law against beating a dead horse I suppose.
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Funny how the dems want to overlook this one important fact
On one hand they say Bush is such an imbici!e (can't even read), but then on the other hand they blame everything on him. If they believe he's that bad, then how can they believe he masterminded this whole thing and its all his fault. Seems it would take someone with a bit more smarts then he. Good observation on the part of who was in the congress (the people who really vote on issues).
The proof is in the pudding - and there is no proof......no WMDs....nm
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Proof, my dear, proof. s/m
Give me one shred of evidence that Obama is planning to "steal" from one hand to give to another. If you have heard HIM say that, then tell me where I can find it. If not, may I suggest a hearing check-up?
Proof
I have seen pictures on all the cable news stations of the women in their Birkas and the Taliban striding by with their AK47s. The stories go The Taliban is back, stronger and more organized than ever. The president of Afghanistan is resigning one term was enough. The opium trade has done better this year than any year previously. I pick this stuff up everywhere, TV, radio, magazines...
As for Lamont, do I think his win means everything will change? Of course not. What it meant and what it emphasized was the presence and strength of grassroots organizations, blogs. For some of us this is the only power we have. For some people they can vote in every election and their vote will never count. If you are in a definite, forever and ever amen red or blue state, if you are the opposite color your vote will not count ever. Your states votes will go to the same party it has always gone to. The Lamont win gives us some hope that we the people can vote again and have it count, not to mention just be counted...but that is another story. Secondly it put the spotlight on the fact that people are really sick of this war and the incompetent way it has been handled. The war will be a big issue in 2008.
Rabid hatred of Bush...I feel nothing towards Bush at all. He is a benign, hapless puppet. He pretty much does what he is told by his handlers. Now, Rove, Cheney...there are 2 fat bald guys I really dislike.
But where is the proof? sm
Where is the proof that a Republican president raped anyone? The fact is, I never heard those stories. The burden of proof is on the person making he accusations.
Once again...proof that no one
wishes to make an actual list just to see how very little experience Obama has. So just keep spatting about Palin and ignoring the fact that Obama has less experience. Such denial.
Here is the proof...........sm
Obama’s Comprehensive Tax Policy Plan for America will:
* Cut taxes for 95 percent of workers and their families with a tax cut of $500 for workers or $1,000 for working couples.
* Provide generous tax cuts for low- and middle-income seniors, homeowners, the uninsured, and families sending a child to college or looking to save and accumulate wealth.
* Eliminate capital gains taxes for small businesses, cut corporate taxes for firms that invest and create jobs in the United States, and provide tax credits to reduce the cost of healthcare and to reward investments in innovation.
* Dramatically simplify taxes by consolidating existing tax credits, eliminating the need for millions of senior citizens to file tax forms, and enabling as many as 40 million middle-class Americans to do their own taxes in less than five minutes without an accountant.
http://www.barackobama.com/taxes/
"I think we're going to need a second stimulus. Part of my commitment is to make sure that the stimulus includes a tax cut for 95 percent of working Americans. It may be the first bill I introduce."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/31/obama.blitzer/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
the Tax Foundation estimates that there will be 47 million tax returns with zero income tax liability in 2009 under current law. That's one-third of all tax returns, and those 47 million tax returns represent 96 million individuals.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/23631.html
So here we have roughly 1/3 of all tax returns with zero tax liability and Obama's own words saying that he will give 95% of working Americans a tax cut. Sounds to me like folks paying no income tax will get a tax refund. Satisfied?
you can look up the proof yourself - its there
you just don't want to because you agree with them.
Facts are facts.
And yes, I am too busy to do your research.
WHAT proof do you have, that this what you are
saying is REALLY the truth and that it will really be like that?
HOW do you REALLY know that YOUR religion is the ONLY right one?
Please explain to me!
WHAT PROOF DO YOU HAVE !
I believe he's a dem, but have no proof. SM
He's always played his politics pretty close to his chest. Heck, even when he ran for Prez he tried to get onto both tickets. Of course, it may be own stereotyping of industry type folks, but he just seems a democrat to me.
I believe he's a dem, but have no proof. SM
He's always played his politics pretty close to his chest. Heck, even when he ran for Prez he tried to get onto both tickets. Of course, it may be own stereotyping of industry type folks, but he just seems a democrat to me.
And you don't have any proof he isn't
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And you don't have any proof otherwise
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You have no proof that this is a rumor!
Hoping something is not true doesn't make it so! Did you see the pictures? Her daughter looked much more pregnant that Palin did!
Please cite your proof........
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i saw that too. she is living proof
that a fetus is more than a glob of cells.
Petition as FBI and CIA still does not have proof.
http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244/stop-obama-constitutional-crisis/
Proof that FM/FM regulation was
tried as far back as 2001.
Sorry if this is old news, but my cousin just emailed me this link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM&feature=related
Then I took it further:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYz1rbB5V1s&NR=1
Ok, so do you have proof that it is not true?
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What proof do you have that YOUR religion, whatever
it is, is THE TRUE ONE?
Of course I don't have any proof. I'm not peeping in his windows..sm
trying to see if he's going to drink or not. You have no proof that he doesn't drink. This is all speculation.
This is a bunch of bunk. If you think discussing the wrong doing of one person holds no water because other people are doing or have done it too, then I'll just have to agree to disagree. That's like saying, it's OK because the Clinton's and Kennedy's did it. Again, whatever gets you through.
I think the discussion we need to be having is that the media needs to get out of these people's personal lives.
With liberals it's not the proof behind the accusation
it's the seriousness of the charge....
I'd like to see proof that more impoverished people are fat...sm
than middle and upper classes. Though I wouldn't count it out. It's not a secret that the most unhealthy foods are definitely the cheapest foods to buy.
This coment is living proof - nm
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There is no proof. Birth certificate has been
The only proof you have is that you have no legitimate campaign strategy and your candidate's campaign is going down in flames over this relentless stupidity.
You have all the truth there is. Needing proof
Obsessing over an internet myth....fanatic. Bankrolling lawsuits to nowhere....fanatic. Believing in fairy-tale usurpaton of unwanted election results....fanatic.
I guess you have absolute proof.......sm
of all these accusations?
Laying that aside, conservatives have just as much right to voice their opinions without being referred to as "certifiable loons" as do liberals. Come back in a couple of years and let's talk about how your paycheck is looking and how hard it is to make ends meet in the Obama economy. I have a feeling there will be a lot of disillusioned folks.
your statement/sarcasm is proof women have NOT
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Just proof that Obama really isn't out for the middle class.
He just wants our vote and he figured this would be the way to get it. To promise to not tax us middle class folks. I don't believe he intends to keep his promise. He may at first but the bottom line is that all the government spending of his and the 3 trillion dollars he plans to spend....where he is going to get that money? He is going to get it from us and that includes the middle class.
All the companies who get tax hikes will pass that tax onto us as well by jacking up prices of products and services so we the consumers pay for that tax hike. Then Obama will have to raise taxes on the middle class as well to cover his government spending. It is common sense people. Look at his record. He has consistently wanted to raise taxes and that includes on us middle class folks he is all of sudden so interested in helping out since he is up for election. Give me a break. I see through the lies and false promises. That isn't change. That is Washington elitists at their norm.
Ah no, burden of proof is on Obama to prove his
is supposed to be with any immigrant wanting to come into this country. What part of that do you not understand? Of course, I realize most "illegals" aren't proving anything now days and BTW, I can understand their love for him, seeing how O wants to give all "illegals" a drivers license.
Like I said, what a sellout he is.
All very good points. But the proof is in the pudding....
it is up to HIM to change our minds and prove us wrong, and for the good of the country, I hope he is able to. Sincerely.
Take heart tho...they did not get a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate like they hoped, so if the Republicans will grow a backbone and stand up to them...he will be limited somewhat in what he can do. Especially in the case of SUpreme Court justices. I hope they step up (the Republicans). They have to earn my respect TOO.
Proof it...just empty words by frustrated MTs..nm
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I don't tihnk a BC proof of citizenship is stupid.
Let the "stupid crap" go on until it is cleared up. I'm sick of hearing it, too, but I'll be dang if I want someone who is not a citizen to run our country. I want to know the truth and, so far, that truth isn't there. Too much secrecy (sp?) to warm my toes. It opens a whole 'nother can of worms if he is not a citizen, yet becomes president anyway.
It would mean a constitutional rule struck down and, (I shudder to think of this) even terrorists could run our country if they so desire and could pay off people who's vote count. Gee, do you want Chevez or Putnin to run our country? How about Ayers or Wright?
I'm just pointing out a few things here. There's too many question as why this was not resolved and why, all of a sudden, his records in Hawaii were sealed or whatever, after he went to "visit his sick grandmother."
Truth is all I want and I don't have it yet. But I will let the SC decide (if they weren't bribed) and then, I will embrace the O as a president until he screws up which, eventually, he will. He's coming off as "too perfect". There is no one "perfect" in my eyes.
Show me proof that it didn't work......
Maybe you just got your history lesson from Faux Noise. The New Deal DID work until the Republicans pressured FDR into instituting tax cuts - then we went into a recession - after that World War II pulled us out of that. It sure doesn't look like Ws wars have helped our financial situation.......perhaps that's because he told us all to SHOP till we DROP instead of asking Americans to sacrifice like FDR did.........but. WWII wasn't based on lies, either......
Asked for proof, suddenly she's too busy. LOL. Figures. nm
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Uhhh. BTDT. What part of burden of proof is on the prosecution
Give it up. Ain't happenin'.
more important to you?
Excuse me, more important to you than me? No, it is more important to ME. You are an onlooker, it is my blood.
He has just never been that important to me.. nm
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So are dad's not as important?
Is this what you are suggesting because I do believe some of SP's children are older than Obama's and yet no one seems to be spatting about him leaving his children to run for president. Of SP's 5 children....only 2 are younger....which is the same number of young children Obama has. Yet it seems to be okay with everything that he just let Michelle Obama raise their children while he runs around the country to be prez. Why is it not acceptable that Todd Palin take care of the two younger children while his wife tries to make this country better....including for her children. Why....because Todd is the dad and he should be out working while SP stay at home cooking, cleaning, taking care of the kids.........seriously....who time warped us back to the 50s?
Oh I see....what was more important than ....
the Katrina victims at that point? Looks like I need to go to the senate site and see what Biden and Obama felt was so important they had to vote for the bridge.
People WERE suffering from Katrina and they had a chance to vote for it. They chose not to. Where does integrity come in? Where is country first, party second? What was so all-fired important they voted FOR a huge earmark for a bridge and against help for Katrina victims?
As as for pork...it is added by BOTH parties and that is what McCain/Palin seek to stop. Plus earmarks for personal gain...like Obama earmarking a million bucks for his wive's employer...who had just that month DOUBLED her salary.
Face it...Obama is old Washington politics, just like Biden is. There is no change there. Same old washington politics. He has demonstrated throughout his career. Yes, other politicians do it. That is exactly what I am talking about.
It is time it stopped, and the only people who have ANY history of bucking their own party to do that are McCain/Palin. Now THERE is change you can believe in.
Well, I think it is more important when the man...
running on the ticket with you only a few months ago voiced the opinion that you were not qualified for the job...however...in a strict changing your story view, yes. Weighing the importance of the two issues (lipstick on a pig and your #2 saying you were not qualified for the job) is up to the reader.
How is this not important?
I know that, on the surface, it's really easy to write this off as a nonissue. But I would ask that, regardless of party, everyone stop for a moment and consider what it MEANS.
It means that a make-up artist was more important to the McCain campaign than any other adviser or staff member. It's representative of shallowness and wasteful excess. It shows clear skewed judgment in what's important in our nation.
And, frankly, it was clearly wasteful expenditure. Palin looked perfectly fine before the excessive celebrity life the campaign brought to her. There was no need for this. She's an attractive woman, and absolutely not in need of this Paris Hilton-esque extravagance.
Why the campaign and RNC thought it would make her more "popular" is pretty head-scratching. Instead, they just made themselves look like, well, the type of people who aren't really "for" the middle class after all. The type of people who think style is more important than substance.
Is it?
Why this is important...(sm)
If Bush is not tried for his crimes, it sets a precedence for successive abuse of power....even for Obama. As a country, until we acknowledge and correct our shortcomings we cannot move forward. What do you think the rest of the world will say if we don't do something about it? We talk alot about justice and being fair, but until we can show that we are willing to uphold those ideals we are no better than the ones who would commit those crimes.
The economy is the focus right now, and yes, it should be dealt with first and foremost, and that is being done. But that is not to say that we cannot accomplish other things at the same time. If they do go after Bush, all Obama has to do is step aside and not stop the preceedings. This is all about the judicial branch of government, not the White House.
Seems pretty important to me
Well, if his trustee is saying Frist was updated regularly on his blind trust, I kind of think that is something. It is a formal investigatinn by the SEC. I kind of think that is something.
Yeah, you wish you were important enough
for somebody to be spying on you....does your paranoia know no bounds? 
BUt that's the most important thing to me....
Unfortunately not all news sources are created equal and unbiased.
As far as things changing over time.....it seems that things have to change as new information is brought to light. Ask Colin Powell. We have to adapt and change with this new information.
Can't find your quote from Russert to Cheney anywhere on the internet.
As far as Tenet's slam-dunk comment, the people at that meeting were Bush, Cheney, and CIA-director John McLaughlin.....oh, and you. Couldn't find any female names mentioned in that meeting, however.
As far as the 747 fuselage in the desert....could only find a handful of references to it on the whole internet and none were compelling and again, most were from far right wing publications.
I feel a story is only as truthful as its source and sometimes the truthfulness of a story can never be completely determined. You say the source doesn't matter, I say it is EVERYTHING. Reflect upon North Korea today, former communist Russia and China even today....all highly censored government news sources. Those folks will never get the real story and heaven knows it's hard enough to get it in a free country like the US.
much too important to go unread
brought up from below.
It's long been a safe assumption that U.S. troops generally vote Republican. And with Vietnam war hero John McCain leading the GOP presidential ticket, many pundits expect the military to favor the Republicans with their wallets, too. But so far, Barack Obama appears to be leading his rival by a 6-to-1 margin in campaign contributions from deployed troops. The nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics reports that Obama has collected just over $60,000 from deployed troops compared to McCain's $10,000 in figures up to June 30.
More importantly, why is it so important to YOU
What are you so afraid is going to happen if some of us don't?
Important issue
Dealing with our enemies - I read an article and was going to post the link, but the article is positioned on the page odd and I had to scroll down to the bottom and words went off the screen so I cut and pasted some of it here. If you still wish to see the article let me know and I'll provide a link..
Obama is described as “eloquent and dazzling. In writing, he sounds like the candidate for class president pledging no more homework and free pizza”. – (pretty good description I'd say)
His position on Iran – “If Iran continues its troubling behavior, we will step up our economic pressure and political isolation”. – That, that’ll show them.
While other candidates have insisted that we should threaten to drop nuclear bombs on terrorist training camps, Obama believes that we must talk openly about nuclear weapons – because “the best way to keep America safe is not to threaten terrorists with nuclear weapons”. Obama will secure all loose nuclear materials in the world within four years. “This will deny terrorists the ability to steal or buy loose nuclear material”. – Does he really believe the most vicious people will be thwarted that easily?
People should remember that no matter how eloquently offered it is not always for the better.
You actually think it is more important for Obama...
to keep campaigning than to go back to Washington and do his job as a United States Senator which he, by the way, still is and we are paying him for? Pullezzzeeee.
Did I miss something important? AS is a pub gov
He ran under the pub ticket and was elected by Californian pubs and other star-struck Californians. Do you disagree with the idea that repulicans come in different flavors or should I be translating you message from Christian right-wing fringe-speak to mean roughly "my way or the highway" on what it means to be a REAL republican?
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