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Potato totally accurate, left out part where

Posted By: JTP is seeking OH 9th congressional district seat. on 2008-12-03
In Reply to: YOU have no facts. You believe what you want. - You are wrong, potato.nm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_the_plumber#Plumbing_career

This will verify all of Potato's claims, and mine.


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Shoot..left out the best part...subpeona specified 30 days! LOL. (nm)
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Dont you bet potato would have defended JOE if he
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This is not accurate.

The website that was provided very cleverly misled the reader to believe it was "required."  They typed the word REQUIRED (in red and underlined just as I typed it) which led to the REAL link describing his proposal.  Nowhere in the GENUINE link did it describe anything that was REQUIRED.  It is a voluntary program.  My guess is that everyone read the propaganda site and didn't bother to click on the link (as I typed it above) which showed the true program.


I'm going to try to explain this again.  Once again, here is the link that was provided as "proof" regarding Obama's program:  http://kokonutpundits.blogspot.com/2008/11/obamas-new-youth-corp-requirement.html


I copied and pasted part of it below.  Note where it says, "Yes, require."  The article then goes on to mislead the reader about the program.  If you click on the "require" link, it will take you to the GENUINE website that TRULY describes Obama's program, which I have also copied and pasted here in full.


"Misleading" site"


Friday, November 07, 2008



Obama's New Youth Corp Requirement?




Obama to set up a draft-like bill requiring 13 to 25 year olds to perform community service. Yes, REQUIRE.



The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps. Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.


Genuine site (that you get by clicking on red "require" link in "misleading" site):



America Serves


"When you choose to serve -- whether it's your nation, your community or simply your neighborhood -- you are connected to that fundamental American ideal that we want life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness not just for ourselves, but for all Americans. That's why it's called the American dream."

The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps. Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by setting a goal that all middle school and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year and by developing a plan so that all college students who conduct 100 hours of community service receive a universal and fully refundable tax credit ensuring that the first $4,000 of their college education is completely free. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.





"Genuine Link":  http://change.gov/americaserves/


NOWHERE does it imply or read that anything will be REQUIRED.


THIS tactic is exactly how lies are started and fears are raised.


Accurate, though.
About as classy as subversive Christian politics, without the million-dollar sheen.

If I could have thought of a "classier" metaphor, believe me I would have. Unfortunately, that is EXACTLY how the ad made me feel, & I have no desire to sugar-coat the insidiousness of the Christian right; not for you or anyone else.
Accurate, though.
About as classy as subversive Christian politics, without the million-dollar sheen.

If I could have thought of a "classier" metaphor, believe me I would have. Unfortunately, that is EXACTLY how the ad made me feel, & I have no desire to sugar-coat the insidiousness of the Christian right; not for you or anyone else.

You should thank your lord & savior that NO ONE is cramming atheism or agnosticism down your gullet in the same manner.
If your definition is accurate
which I highly dobut then I guess I'm a liberal because I don't pledge blind loyalty to Bush. On the other hand I don't think every word he says is a lie either. I think he is a human capable of human mistakes, but I don't think every problem in the world at this moment is Bush's fault like many on this board do. I think many people are obsessed with the fact there's a conservative in office. It wouldn't matter what their name was Bush or Smith, the obsession would be the same. There are many wacko theories out there on all sorts of issues, but some I have read here take the cake. You don't talk about any other issues other than Bush is fault of everything wrong in this world. To me, liberal or conservative, is a little off the deep end no matter what political ideology you come from.
This is not an accurate statement
Please provide non-partisan sources that state that the majority of scientists state that global warming is bunk.
Nope, just accurate.

The polls are not accurate...
slanted for obama like everything else the liberal media tells you. People (myself included) tend to believe what they want to believe
You do know that Wikipedia is not always accurate, don't you?
I would hope you don't believe everything on the internet. Too bad people don't read or think for themselves anymore and have to trust websites (which can be compromised) for all of their information. It's so easy to cut and paste and not do any real research. Just look at some of the reports we type up; Google is used for everything and can be wrong.
Green with NAUSEA is more accurate.
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This is excellent and paints a very accurate picture!

This is so true.  All these people are so ready and eager to kill other people's children.


I didn't notice the name of a very decorated, true war hero on that list, though:  Colin Powell, the only honest, honorable member of Bush's "team."  He's a Republican, very intelligent, reasonable, has seen the ravages of war firsthand, and didn't seem to fit in with all the other boys on Bush's team who were obviously deprived of "GI Joe" playtime hours when they were 5 years old and are trying to make up for lost time.


 


I think it's an accurate reflection of how most people feel.

Which is good, considering how Americans treated Vietnam vetes, which I think was deplorable.


These poor guys are fighting Bush's personal war, and they're doing the very best they can, given the fact they were sent in there so ill equipped by the government they serve. 


I'm so sad today about the news that two soldiers may have been kidnapped by al Qaeda.  If that's true, I think about Nick Berg, and I shudder to wonder what the fate of these young men will be.  I'm praying that they be found, safe and alive.  They are so young.  This is so, so sad.


At the same time, I'm also angered at the fact they were placed in that position in the first place, based on nothing more than George Bush's war of lies and deceit. 


Why won't anyone listen to John Murtha?  In his very first statement, he said our troops should be redeployed to the periphery.  The right wing misrepresented what he said, as usual, and called it *cutting and running,* when what he said was REDEPLOY TO THE PERIPHERY.  That's what every mother does when removing the training wheels from her child's first bicycle.  She cuts him/her loose but is still there in the background to save him/her if there's trouble.  That's what Murtha proposed.  But the neocons would rather our troops be killed or tortured.  I even read a post somewhere, along the lines of Tony Snow's *2,500 is just  number* when referring to American deaths in Iraq, citing something stupid Rush Limbaugh said regarding how many murders take place in the United States and, of course, how many abortions take place, inferring, as well, that 2,500 really isn't that high a number when you compare to murders and abortions.  I guess it's their new spin as soldiers' deaths increase, which is deplorable.


The Iraqis need to learn to defend themselves.  They can't do that if we're in their way all the time.


And don't forget:  We're fighting TWO wars at once, Iraq and Afghanistan.  Funny how we don't hear much about bin Laden these days, even though the war is still going on.  How much thinner can we spread our military?  And could we have gotten bin Laden if we had kept our focus on the people who actually attacked us?


This is just getting worse and worse and worse.  I hope our country can survive through 2008 without Bush doing much more damage to it.  I will be so relieved when he is out of office and I can finally (hopefully) feel a sense of hope for America.  


Polls may not be accurate as pollsters call land...sm
lines and many people only have cell phones. 
only part saved was the ignorant part
You can read the whole article.  This quote was saved to show what she said that was so stupid.
you mean left wing....it's a left wing ding website on the messiah....the right wouldn't bothe

Wow, my post was totally and completely respectful and yours is totally and completely not. sm
what a surprise.  Can't stand to be corrected or proven wrong, can you.  Have to call everyone a liar, don't you.  Got to tell people to stick things somewhere, don't you.   TSK TSK TSK  Anger management might be helpful.
I am being totally serious. What would
I did not ask what you wouldn't believe. I am not being facetious or trying to set up an attack. I am genuinely curious what it would take for those that protest eligibility to hold office on this basis to change their minds.

Let's say Obama produces his birth certificate for verification. Who would have to attest to its validity for you to really, truly believe it?
no he is not hot and I think its totally sm
inappropriate to publish something like this on a magazine cover! He is the president of the United States not some wanna-be Hollywood star...(or is he?)

This is absolutely ridiculous. Sure wish they would put on a cover something he is doing for this country that is positive...but I guess this is as positive as it gets huh? Sickening
And I totally get that.

I understand your point of view and I respect that.  Yet you are one of the few feminists who has come out and said that these vicious attacks are uncalled for.  Whether or not you agree with someone or not, I just thought feminists were supposed to stick up for their fellow women.  I'm just not seeing that out of a majority of feminists.  In fact, the ones I have seen are joining in with the personal attacks.


yes, it is, but not totally.......it is about
creation versus evolution and all the discrepancies mentioned in the bible.

For instance: Who was Maria
Magdalene? What role did she play in Jesus's life?

totally agree with you sm

You are correct on all counts.  And I do agree that Bush lied to the American people to further his agenda as a warlord.  It was not about bringing democracy to Iraq.  It was about domination of the oil market in Iraq.  Bush and his henchmen are making millions out of this deal, while killing our soldiers and causing more tension in the world.  It's the same thing his father tried to do in 1992. 


It's all about greed and money. 


I wonder if a president can be impeached for lying to the American public to procure his own agenda.  If so, I hope it happens. 


Totally agree.
I totally agree that Sadam had to be taken down, kudos to the president.  What gets me is that Sadam had nothing to do with 911, and this adminstration still thinks that people are not smart enough to READ and figure that out.  Yes kudos to President Bush and his daddy for taking Sadam down he needed it; but thousands are dead because of his personal agenda - see ya in church Sunday, Dubya.
This post is totally out there
This post is totally wrong.  I am reporting you to the administrator.  How dare you post something like this.  HOW DARE YOU.
LOL.....totally clueless. So, gt.....sm
It only matters to you if a Republican's ancient ancestor was in cahoots with Hitler.  But Democrats can skate, right?  Right!  Gotcha!
I totally agree!!!!
This woman gave the ultimate sacrifice, and to me, the opinions of people like her hold more weight than almost anyone's.  She has my admiration and respect.
I totally agree! NM

That is like, so totally lame. nm

You are totally twisting what the OP said.
They said, and I agree, that there is a difference between the people looting for food, water and bare necessities than those who are looting for guns, purses, and accessories. No one is promoting people who are stealing guns and harming people.

Take it at face value, and leave the spin for the conservative board.
I agree totally
I feel sorry for the the kids, but I also don't think throwing money at the parents is the answer. I've had an example of a deadbeats in my family who get a check, but the money hardly ever benefits the children. They pocket it and spend it on their selfish desires. To help kids the best thing to do for them is free school lunches and WIC. Food stamps can be traded for drugs and sold for cash. I'm glad to see most states are going to the debit card system with no cash back ability, however, I'm sure the scammers will somehow find a way around that too eventually. I think putting the money directly to what benefits the children is better than a check.
I totally agree. It's at the very top

of my list, as well.  More importantly, I certainly hope it's at the top of Harriet Miers' list.


I can't believe you mentioned the Groene children!!  I just talked with my daughter about that very case not five minutes ago, and I brought up Bill O'Reilly's campaign regarding this issue to her. 


I don't care for Bill O'Reilly, but I do applaud his efforts in changing the sentencing, going from state to state and exposing judges who give out these ridiculous sentences.  These people deserve life or worse.


I totally agree!
And when contraceptives are outlawed, as well, there will be more pregnancies than ever!
I totally agree.
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Yup; totally agree with you.

This is totally wacho...sm
To even put this idea together is wacho much less to make a Christmas greeting out of it. These people are so possesed by politics that they are willing to use Christ to get it.

Shaking my head in disgust. Pathetic.
I totally agree, but I
just wonder how true this really is.  If a 4-year-old is navigating around on a computer and answering POLL questions, how interested is this 4-year-old going to be in BARBIE?  Shouldn't she be studying for high school finals?
To me, that's totally understandable.

If anyone hurt any of my children, I'm not sure what I would do.  If people can't count on the system to do its job, in my opinion, I don't blame them for taking the law into their own hands, and I believe they're justified.


I just wonder what a jury would do to such a parent.  As messed up as the judicial system is, I could see the parent thrown in jail while all the other abusers run free.


Totally agree!
Too bad you right wing whack jobs are selling it off to the highest bidder.
I totally agree.
Very well said. 
I agree totally. sm
And that's why I got banned.  Go figure. 
I totally agree. sm
And I don't believe I have ever asked those questions of any administration.  
Also totally agree - sm

The bigger/biggest danger that our country faces is from those who opine without being informed.


I totally agree. nm

I totally agree - she really went over the top!!!...NM
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TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU
NO DEMOCRAT in the white house!!
I totally agree!

I'm not an Obama fan but I just don't think I would want the support of such a racist person as Jesse Jackson especially since he wants to castarate him.  Sheesh.  Wouldn't it have been a hoot if Obama had put Jackson in his place.  I sure wish someone would and maybe he would shut up for once.  Activist my rear end....he is just a man out to make himself heard no matter what crap comes out of his mouth.


I truly don't know how Jackson could say he supports Obama but then say what he did.  That isn't support. 


I totally agree. nm

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Totally agree on that one

It isn't my business who politicians screw behind closed doors.  I couldn't care less really.  Does Edwards having an affair make my life miserable?  No.  However, I must agree that if that information does come out and they lie about it.....that does show me what kind of person they are.  Instead of admitting their mistakes and saying sorry.....they lie about it and make things worse........that is what I don't like.


Just like Billy Boy....I couldn't care less if he stuck a cigar up Monica's yahoo, but why lie?  He could say no comment or tell us it is none of our business but to lie....different story.


I guess my biggest annoyance is the media because they thrive on finding out trash like this about people and exposing it for the world to see.  I just find it really sad that I looked at my TV last night and saw the words "BREAKING NEWS" and it was about Edwards having an affair.  Sorry....but that, IMO, shouldn't be BREAKING NEWS.


Totally agree with you too.
Right on - I would say I blame the media more than Edwards. I sit here yelling at my TV "This is NOT breaking news. The war in Georgia is breaking news, Iraq is breaking news, not this". Also that missing girl in Texas is not breaking news. They keep flashing it - breaking news, girl in Texas missing. Well she's been missing and I'm really sorry about that but that's not breaking news and if they are giving this story that much attention is she the only missing girl in America? My understanding is hundred and hundreds of kids in America are missing/abducted or whatever. So why don't they all get equal air time? Now...finding her alive or finding her body or finding the killer would be breaking news. But then again not from morning til night and never giving us any news about the what's happening in the war and stuff that is affecting us financially.
I totally agree.

But what I have heard is that he's willing to bring some change.  Of course, Joe Biden, is a representative from my own state, so who doesn't love that?  He's made Delaware famous!  Thanks Joe!!!  Make 'em sweat!!! 



Totally. Besides the B-52's likeness, the
I'm sure that win or lose for the 'pus, Tina will be making a few guest appearances on SNL in order to play part of the schoolmarm/beauty-queen/church-lady. I'm even thinking of dressing like her for Halloween this year (as are probably 100,000 other people!) If nothing else, she sure is fun to watch.