Poster asked for the link and I provided it.
Posted By: Observer on 2005-08-19
In Reply to: I read the article. sm - sm
As far as preying, the articles and examples of that are, as they say in laboratory terminology, "too numerous to count." And that is unfortunate.
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the exmilitary man is on the link I provided -
I did not hear him say he had to "push" through them - he just said they were there and he was not going to let them intimidate him.
Did you even read the link you provided?
Obama is requiring community service not military service. Community service is a constructive way to spend time and energy. War is a destructive way to spend time and energy.
Obama also said that he would provide a college education to anyone who volunteers to do community service. This can only help make the United States a stronger and better nation. It sounds like a wonderful plan to me!
The following is from the link you provided:
The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps. Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.
If you copy the link I provided, paste it...
into your browser and click "go," the page will come up with the entire article. If you scroll down a bit, you will see the video screen which will work if you click on it.
I just tried it, and it works fine. I will try again to post the link below under "URL/Link."
I personally believe that your husband and all other soldiers who are placed in harm's way deserve so much better, whether it's safe food/water, safe electricity, better vehicles to protect them against IEDs, etc. They are doing their best for us, and they deserve the best FROM us, IMHO.
For the poster who asked for me to
was a Moslem.........
The rag was himself while on "This Week" with George Stephanapoulos. Obama was talking about his religion and said, " My Muslim faith" and then said when questioned that he "made a mistake".
Is that enough citing for you or do you not believe what he said either?
You blind O lovers need to open your eyes folks!
Blindness will get you nowhere when he has sold your country down the river to the terrorists.
To the poster who asked the original question.
BDAyes response. I realize that my concept of this is biased by a leftward lean. Nevertheless, I am not alone in this viewpoint and she has said it better than I ever could because I DO get very passionate on the subject of Katrina refugees.
My best friend lost 2 family members in that storm because they could not get out in time. In any case, I thought it was best to frame the question in this format so you could get a broader perspective than my own and hear from all sides. I tried my best to fend off the bashes and innuendo I myself was giving into yesterday. I had three hours of sleep the night before, stocking up, boarding up, and calling relatives who live closer to the Gustav's bullseye to tell them to come on down to my place.
Next day, I spent several hours posting in the middle of the acidic environment of this forum to which I was vulnerable. By the time late night rolled around, I was not exactly in my top form and never really am when it comes to this subject.
You see, my best friend still wakes up in the middle of the night being tortured by the memory of her own near-death experience and the loss of her grandmother and father. I tell her to call me whenever it happens. She does. I listen. For some of us, it is WAY personal and we are still living out the aftermath of that tragedy and the way it was handled.
A previous poster asked who PNAC was. I answered. sm
They influence US and world policy, so believe they are definitely a threat. I first heard about the Illuminati in a Bible study class. Thought everyone knew about them. You all must think everything said is a conspiracy theory. No, Bush isn't one, but I am sure he takes orders from them, and so does other world leaders. In the book, The Creature from Jekyll Island, the creature is a monster known as The Federal Reserve System conjured up at a secret meeting by a group of Illuminati snakes on a remote island off the east coast of America in 1913.
I do believe Islam is a threat, but I also think they are being provoked and persecuted. If you do not know history on the above, then you wouldn't understand why I think this.
Here Macula, Correct link - thanks to poster below
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUdjhKbImwE
yes, I asked you...but I asked you a specific question...
about the peace movement. I asked why you did not take your ideals to the real enemies of peace...and your answer was that you leave them to God but will instead preach to us not to fight them, even when they bring the fight to us. So be it.
We will agree to disagree.
I did not personally call you a whiner. As to who sent the military...I will say one thing. When you join the military, you take an oath. That oath has been posted here. You are under no illusions. You know that you may be called to war. It is an all voluntary army over there now. There is no draft. No one is over there because they were forced to go.
As to the people sending having never been...what has that got to do with anything?It was not just George Bush and Dick Cheney, Lurker. It was Congress. Many in Congress do have relatives, even sons and daughters, in Iraq. Have you read the resolution? It is very clear. They knew exactly what they were signing and exactly what it meant. I do not buy the lied to hooey. The Senate and House intelligence committees got the same briefings, or at least enough briefings to vote for the resolution. If they did not (in their own words) use due diligence before signing off on that resolution, whose fault is that? Certainly not Dick Cheney's or George Bush's.
Where were all these people when Clinton was calling for regime change? Because he was a Democrat they will follow him to war? You will see why I do not buy into their rhetoric.
And while I understand your big picture, as I have said over and over and you have never addressed, that will work only if the others in the big picture wish it to work. And if you honestly feel that God wishes that you lay down and let this country be overrun by terrorists, then so be it. I am not of the same mind.
The big difference is that I believe, as did Americans at the time of the Revolution, and that Americans did at the time of the Civil War...and that even some Americans did at the time of Viet Nam...some things are worth dying for. Most of our volunteer military feels the same.
When that is no longer the case, if you are successful in robbing that sense of patriotism from the generations to come without changing the minds of the enemies, where they feel that nothing is worth dying for...in my mind that will only bring death quicker, not keep it at bay, and the loss of the greatest nation on the face of this earth.
So, we agree to disagree.
God bless.
You are right on - that's all we ask for. If he would have provided it
But because he has not and instead of providing he has it legally sealed goes to show you there is something to hide. This is one of the reasons the SC will be taking on this case.
Links provided
The words were witnessed by two McCain aides and three reporters who did not report it at the time.
If it wasn’t true there would be lawsuits (which there are not). And with him running for president you KNOW he would be denying it as he is denying other things, but he is not denying it.
Here are the links below where this information can be found. Many more links but I think five are enough.
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2008/05/02/194648.php
http://www.thepost.ohiou.edu/Articles/Opinion/Columns/2008/04/15/23789/
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/8/17456/91972/887/492360
http://agonist.org/schecter/?p=8571
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=536_1210293502
They've already provided the BC, but some
just are not "satisfied" with it & insist on wasting the courts time & money, only to lose repeatedly because the whole thing is baseless.
UN provided GPS coordinates and has
has issued numerous statements that dispute this lie. If you watched the interview between the UN rep and Israel's spokesperson, you can see the Israeli skirt the issue and state the rockets were coming "from the vicinity" of the school. It's not like this would be the first time Israel has lied about their reasons for bombing schools.
It's beside the point. If they KNEW this was a UN school (the the GPS coordinates AND the fact that it is clearly marked with the UN flag on its roof), that civilian refugee families had sought refuge there and they were putting large numbers of children at risk (they had been informed of this), the humane thing to do would have been to decide NOT TO BOMB IT.
UN provided GPS coordinates and has
has issued numerous statements that dispute this lie. If you watched the interview between the UN rep and Israel's spokesperson, you can see the Israeli skirt the issue and state the rockets were coming "from the vicinity" of the school. It's not like this would be the first time Israel has lied about their reasons for bombing schools.
It's beside the point. If they KNEW this was a UN school (the the GPS coordinates AND the fact that it is clearly marked with the UN flag on its roof), that civilian refugee families had sought refuge there and they were putting large numbers of children at risk (they had been informed of this), the humane thing to do would have been to decide NOT TO BOMB IT.
Yeah, because he provided SO MUCH
Bush was a fool. History has shown that. Obama's history is not written yet, even though there are those on this board who like to think they can see into the future.
My *teacher* has provided the Bible...
the same Bible that says Do Unto Others is very clear about homosexuality. It is called an abomination. Not too many ways you can take that. Therefore, the twinge you feel about homosexual marriage probably was not caused by bad cheese. But, as we all know, no one but you will have to explain your decisions when you stand before Him, and no one but me will have to explain my decisions when I stand before Him.
God bless.
O has already provided valid evidence and
fanatics to hound and stalk him like hunted prey. Fanatics also unsuccessfully tried to use the guilt by association argument to win the election. It did not work then and is will not help them now.
Where did I say McC camp provided this information?
the word "fodder." With Webster at your fingertips, you might try looking it up next time before you leap to unfounded conclusions.
I did - and I'm the one who provided the actual quote
Look. Just get this straight. If you know anything about Boehner at all, you will know perfectly well that he does not support the notion that cold rooms, sleep deprivation and caterpillars add up to torture.
Intellectual honesty is a wonderful thing. Waiting to "pounce" on any fortuitous language that suits your purpose when you know very well that's what you're doing is NOT intellectual honesty and speaks ill of the character of those who practice this form of charade. I certainly don't respect you for it, although I do respect honesty in political discourse. I wish it weren't so rare.
Employer provided medical insurance
originated, I believe, during FDR's New Deal. When wages were capped, employers found a way to circumvent this by providing ''sickness insurance'' for their employees, thus giving them a raise without violating the wage caps.
Another example of government meddling. Had they not imposed wage caps, employers would have been able to keep paying their employees and give raises to enable them to afford their own healthcare. But instead, we grew the employer-provided healthcare system we have now and people experience ''job lock,'' unable to move to another employer because of pre-existing conditions which may not be covered by a new company's insurance plan.
Of course it's income, always has been. Same as use of a company car, or executive housing provided by a company (both of which are taxable to the extent they are used outside of actual business activities.) I'm amazed nobody until now has taxed insurance.
Does this constitute a new tax on people earning under $250 thousand (or $235 thousand, or whatever the new number is?)
I will, provided courtesy is held on the conservative board as well.
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post the link only, not the whole article and the link. See rules for posting.
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I never asked you what you did. sm
I made the statement that you are a whiner. I would never tell the personal information some of you have on here, just for safety's sake if nothing else.
YOU ASKED ME !!!!..
I do not remember specificially but you asked me where were my legs and my mouth. What did I do besides coming to the C board and whining and I answered you.
The peace **movement** as you call it is different from a peaceful nonviolent approach to life. The movement is but one small fraction of trying to live a life of nonviolence. The **movement** shows its face big time when a tragedy the size of Iraq erupts but most of the time we work behind the scenes.
Again, this is our board, I'll preach to the choir as much as I want. If you don't like it, don't read it, how simple is that.
You seem to see promotion of a peaceful existence as one thing and that is resistance to war, or conflict or whatever they are calling it these days. It's all about the **them**, the politburo, the Viet Cong, the communists, the socialists, the terrorists. I don't see things that way. I see a bigger picture, bigger than this country or Iraq or Iran or China or this planet or this galaxy. I have been instructed in no uncertain terms how to behave towards my fellow man. There are no riders attached. That is the part that seems to be so hard for you to deal with. Christ instructed us to love our brothers as ourselves, to do for the least of our brethern as if we were doing for Him. He does not say, except for the drug addicts, the alcoholics, the bums, the slackers, the liars and thieves...there are no riders. That is for Him to sort out, not me.
The terrorists you refer to are everywhere. It is a mind set, not a place. They are here in our country, they are certainly in Europe, in the Philippines, in Africa, in the islands of the South Pacific, Indonesia. It makes no sense to go somewhere else and protest. We have to look at ourselves first, always. Your approach seems to be to wage war on everyone. I think that is an exercise in futility. I will stick with my approach. I will continue to pray, continue to do the things I have always done. I empathize with your position, knowing where you come from but I will never see killing as a way to accomplish anything positive. I also sincerely truly and honestly believe the terrorists hate each other more than they hate us and that we would not be in any more danger if we left Iraq than if we stay; in fact, I think just the opposite, the longer we stay, the worse things will become. It is a horrible position our troops have been put into. They were sent into an immoral, unethical, illegal snake pit by people who have never seen a day of combat in their lives, who got out because they had **other priorities.** And now they're stuck and we're stuck and whatever way we extricate ourselves it will not have a good outcome. My own personal opinion is that it is better to get out now and save what lives we can. I know you disagree, so be it.
By the way, I have one question for those of you who have served in the military or have husbands who have done so or are still doing so, doesn't the fact that people like Cheney with 5 deferments bother you/them. That no one who has sent people into war have actually been there themselves. Doesn't that bother you??
As you asked, here's a few...
These are just from the past week. There's plenty, plenty more, a veritable ton to choose from......
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Can we just admit it...you don't care what the facts are.
What a twisted value system. Twisted.
Here she is folks...the aspiring Ann Coulter of the liberal board.
Don't pretend you actually talk about issues here. You don't.
You do not believe your own platform.
Yeah....liberal compassion. I see a LOT of that on this board....
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Ahh....the writ handed down from she who decides who and who does not deserve compassion. lol.
You care nothing about the truth. I don't even know if you recognize it anymore. Pathetic.
Cannot let go of prejudice long enough to see the truth when it is in plain black and white.
Again...if this is a liberal trait then God save us from liberals...
Typical pile on attack liberal tactics. Just admit it. You know they are lying, you just don't care.
What a twisted, twisted set of values you have.
Denial, denial, denial. It is so patently obvious...you cannot get past the Bush hatred...cannot see the forest for the trees. Amazing....utterly, completely, amazing
You have so much class, reveille...really, so much class. You could not debate an issue if your life depended upon it. Let us hope that it never does.
LOL. You do love to wallow in it.... (to Piglet)
Once again, you get what you asked for
I gave it to you and you want to call it retoric. You just can't stand it because you have nothing else to go on. Your own man for president is disliked by his own VP. Strange bed fellas indeed. Gotta wonder what's going on there and just how Obama got talked into Biden for his VP.
Didn't you say show us your facts? What about it don't you like? I admit, it doesn't look good does it?
At least Palin wasn't caught putting down McCain left and right. That bothers you I know but too bad.
You can you tube it and find it yourself since even proof isn't good enough for you.
Such denial you guys are in.
I just asked him and he said
he is FOR the secret ballots because he said that companies start intimidating workers when the subject of unions come up, telling them, we will have to cut your pay, prices will go up, we will have to lay off most of our workers and finally, "we'll have to close our doors." So it cuts both ways. I'm sure he'll be more than happy to expound on his RABID pro-union stance if you're sure you're ready for that. LOL
Yes, I know Todd Palin is a card-carrying union member and good for him but that still doesn't mean I want to see his wife in the White House!!!!
He was never asked
if he spoke to dead presidents or anything about seances with Nancy Reagan.
I'm for Obama doing well but we do not need humor right now. We need some serious answers to what promises he is going to keep to us and what he is going to do to help us.
Granted, this was the first conference I think he's had (I think, not sure), but don't joke. Jokes are not what we need. He needs to take some time, get acclimated, first get sworn in, show the people he is going to do what he promised, and then there will be time for jokes. This was not appropriate.
And he needs to tell the reporters who as the absolute a$$nine questions, that he is there to answer questions about his plans, not his personal life.
You asked for it...
**Fellow Business Executives:***
**As the CFO of this business that employees 140 people, I have resigned**
**myself to the fact that Barrack Obama will be our next President, and**
**that our taxes and government fees will increase in a BIG way.**
**To compensate for these increases, I figure that the Clients will have**
**to see an increase in our fees to them of about 8% but since we cannot**
**increase our fees right now due to the dismal state of our economy, we**
**will have to lay off six of our employees instead. This has really been**
**eating at me for a while, as we believe we are family here and I didn't**
**know how to choose who will have to go.**
**So, this is what I did. I strolled thru our parking lot and found 8**
**Obama bumper stickers on our employees ' cars and have decided these**
**folks will be the first to be laid off. I can't think of a more fair way**
**to approach this problem. These folks wanted change; I gave it to them.**
**If you have a better idea, let me know.**
**Sincerely,***
*J.D.*
asked, but --
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He also said when asked..(sm)
Are you saying you think women have the right to choose abortion?
"Yeah. I mean, again, I think that’s an individual choice."
So which is it?
Of course I make fun of republicans, just like you guys make fun of dems. So what else is new? I'll tell you what. I'll name one republican who I think is reasonable, and you name one democrat who you think is reasonable. I'll go first.
How about John McCain's daughter....Meghan McCain. She is 24 years old, just out of college, and smart as a whip. She has a column on The Daily Beast. I think she leans a little more towards the center, but is definitely a fiscal conservative. Give her about 8 years and if she goes into politics she will be a force to be reckoned with. Check out these interviews.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#29645772
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#29645895
Who asked you?
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You asked....
here ya' go.
I was asked what I do besides whine, where..
were my legs. This is in response to something on the other board. Again, let me reiterate, I was ASKED.
I asked a question
About Casey Sheehan becuase I honestly didn't know and I have not seen that before.
As far as throwing troops to the dogs, I never said that, I said bring them home, and I am not sure how that got interpreted in to throwing them to the dogs.
But as usual, the conservative posters love to put words in our mouths.
Sigh ...
uhhh well so far I have never asked one of you if you...
pee venom? So far you have the sole capture on that lovely piece trash talk.
I do understand it, which is why I asked you
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You asked the supporters why and they
gave you what they thought, why are you "attacking" this person because you don't like their answer.
It is truly a ridiculous question. It is a flippin' pin. Does it really matter? Shouldn't we be more interested in the people who are running views and formats, be they Democrat or Republican. Why do we keep getting caught up in all of this garbage?!!
Many people were taught that the hand goes on the chest during the pledge and you sing the anthem.
No I asked if someone could tell me why he doesn't and no one knows sm
instead you want to say it is just silly. Who is attacking whom?
Asked and answered...
...ad nauseam! 
If you were homeless and asked for one...
you would have gotten it...along with a ride wherever you wanted to go after you voted. lol.
I didn't ask how old it was, I asked
if any of you Republicans want to address it. Apparently not. Do you REALLY think the idea is dead? Oh yeah, now I remember, Republicans. Hallaluja and amen.
I've never been asked either.
I was quite shocked really. The first time I went to vote I had my voter registration card on me and my driver's license to show them, but they never asked. Then when I told them that my address had changed, they didn't ask for proof of that, they just marked out my old address and wrote in my new one. Too easy to mess with the system and that was in a small hillbilly town. I can't imagine how easy it would be in a huge town.
I asked my parents about this
and they both laughed at me. My father comes from a very politically involved family. My dad tells me things were very charged when Kennedy ran and especially when Nixon ran. He has especially bad memories of the Nixon campaign.
Who asked you to trust me? (sm)
I really don't care if you trust me or not. That's just rediculous. Don't trust me...look something up for a change. I'm simply stating facts. What you need to do is just admit you got busted and quit digging yourself into a deeper hole. 
I asked what is wrong with this? s/m
Obama just said in his speech: "I ask you to believe, not so much in my ability to bring about change but in your's." I think he sure got that one right.
That is my point, WE don't get asked to
handed a pay cut and told it is a 'good thing.' You don't get a chance to be willing to take a pay cut.
this is exactly why I asked the questions I did -
everybody else either has to make it on their own or fail - they obviously have been ripping the American public off for years - a quality product could have been made for a lot less money. Why should we have to bail them out now? The problem is they don't want to lose those big bonuses and big paychecks and actually have to get a job like the rest of us do!
LOL...I'm glad you asked...(sm)
No....When I get spooked I walk around the house peeking into closets and under beds with whatever is handy....LOL.
I don't think he asked for that picture -
In fact, I read that he was already wishing he had a little bit more privacy during that vacation trip and thought it was a bit ridiculous that people wanted to see pictures like that of him...
I don't think there was a thing wrong with him going shirtless on a beach in Hawaii and I don't understand how could that equate to not having dignity?
I don't think he asked for that picture -
In fact, I read that he was already wishing he had a little bit more privacy during that vacation trip and thought it was a bit ridiculous that people wanted to see pictures like that of him...
I don't think there was a thing wrong with him going shirtless on a beach in Hawaii and I don't understand how could that equate to not having dignity?
no, i dont, that's why i asked
is it relating to the posts below?
because those were about someone's personality, not the way they looked.
Why are you trying to argue? all i asked was a question, if the OP wants to answer, that's fine, answer and we can have a discussion
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