Please provide a reference showing that you were the first to mention Alinsky?
Posted By: Proof Please on 2008-09-21
In Reply to: I believe I was the first one to mention Alinsky... - sam
As you can see by the post below, the first reference to Alinsky found on this forum was made by Jules on 09/02/2008 regarding Alinsky's son's letter to the Boston Globe. Could you please provide us with an earlier reference indicating that you were the first to have mentioned Alinksy?
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I believe I was the first one to mention Alinsky...
and actually, Obama is the expert...he taught the Alinsky method and used it in his community organizing for years. You can educate yourself if you choose to, or you can repeat democratic talking points and post criticizing others instead of valid points. Up to you...but it appears which road you have chosen.
Alinsky
Raise you hand if you give a flying frito about Alinsky and his effect on the national debate. Maybe just raise your hand if you have heard of this guy. I am familiar with the name and related issues, but it is a red herring. No offense to Joe Lieberman, dual citizen, who always puts USA first. Pass the lox.
Sam & Alinsky
I don't believe you had even heard of Alinsky until it was mentioned on this forum several weeks ago. Now, you profess to be an expert on the subject, throwing his name around as if you have studied his doctrine for years. It just goes to show that a little information can be a very dangerous thing.
Your modus operandi is to keep repeating things over and over and over again, hoping someone will eventually believe it is true. It may work with those weak of mind, but the rest of us can see right through your dishonorable tactics.
Well, I don't see the son of Saul Alinsky..
sending letters to any other newspapers congratulating anyone else on using his father's techniques and using their names. If you see that, please post.
True...poltiics of personal destruction...another Alinsky
teaching. Silly me. I guess Marxism IS what they want.
If this is in reference
to a Bob Dylan's song....it is supposed to be "everybody must get stoned."
If you weren't referring to that song, ignore my post. LOL. 
I will. If you want a reference I will give it to you. You may not like it though...sm
I have heard this "Kool-Aid" reference several....sm
times on this board and don't know if you realize the history of your comment. I find it very offensive. You are referring to people that drank poison-laced K-Aid because they were so indocrinated in their false "Jesus/Messiah" doing so in the name of the SAVIOR! !. A cult that they allowed to take over their lives and ultimately resulted in the death of many people all in the name of God, with Kool-Aid, get it? Be very careful, it can be very scary.
I don't agree that the Biblical reference...
to "the numbers of his name" refer to numerology. We agree to disagree.
I challenge you to find any reference in any of
my posts referring to Barack Obama as a messiah. Just one more example of the vicious twisting of words done by your ilk to suit your own agenda.
I don't know where you get the cheap motel reference from
But I think you are clearly a republican and represent your party perfectly.
For the last time, the "spook" reference
was located in the body of the email sent out by these racist Republicans, followed by a little "wink-wink" suggestion that they forward the email to 20 of your friends makes you look like an out-and-out bigot." THIS WAS PART OF THE BODY OF THE EMAIL IN QUESTION. No reporter -- liberal or otherwise -- wrote this. This is the whole POINT of the post: See the red "spooked" word below? It was written by Republicans as part of their racist email, because the word "spook" is a racial slur, a word that is no better than the "N" word.
From the "Racial Slur Database," defining the word "spook": http://gyral.blackshell.com/names.html
Spook Blacks Because of their dark skin, which can blend into the night, making them ghost-like.
Once again, quoting the email:
We've never seen President Obama in person, but we're pretty sure those pair of spooked white eyes against a black background don't quite do him justice. In fact, one could argue that forwarding an e-mail like this to 20 of your friends makes you look like an out-and-out bigot."
This is the last time I'm going to comment to your posts because either won't or don't get it!
I was making reference to an earlier conversation...sm
Look it up.
It was a Star Wars reference......you're the one that injected racism. nm
Huh? Even the reference disappeared! (Twilight Zone music plays). 1984. nm
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You can't provide them. Just say so. lol.
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So are you saying you are not able to provide
one single solitary link, citation or reference? I keep up with all sorts of news, though I must confess I am not a Fixed News fanatic. I am simply asking you to back up your own claim. Either you can or you can't.
It is as American as apple pie to challenge close election results and certainly is not a phenomenon confined to the blue side of the aisle. In fact, a fixed recount was the ONLY way W was able to slither into office in 2000 (can you say hanging chads?).
Are recounts only legitimate when they favor the GOP, as was the case of Saxby Chambliss in Georgia? Thank God we avoided one in Alaska. We could have ended up with a convicted felon being shunned in the Senate chambers and defeated GOP VP candidate/Gov Palin annointing, er I mean appointing herself as his successor. What a disaster that would have been.
In any case, recounts have their place. It does seem that Coleman's claim to victory may have been a tad premature, even though he did arrogantly concede that Franken did have the right to "purse official review." This was mighty big of him, considering it is mandated in Minnesota when the margins are less than 1%.
If you are defending Cornyn in his assertion that the process should "play it self out," why do you have such a problem seeing that happen in Minnesota? Could it have anything to do with the looming threat of supermajority? Suppose we just wait and see which way the ball bounces. If it doesn't happen to land in your court, better luck next time.
but they will also provide
energy and lessen our dependence on foreign oil. Getting rid of our dependence on foreign oil is such a big thing.....I would think that would be top priority, but it doesn't seem to be. I still say we look into solar, wind, biofuels, and go ahead and drill where we know we have oil. It is just stupid of us to continue giving money to people who hate us.
Would you please provide a link so we can see what it really says?
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Can you provide support for this
All the research I have seen says that ectopic pregnancies cannot survive, that an embryo must be in the uterus to thrive. I would love to see some support/back up of this if you have any (I am honestly curious, not trying to be difficult!)
Thanks.
Just WHO do you think does provide jobs?
the middle class?
Can you provide a link to what you are saying? Thanks. nm
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I see sam has yet to provide us with evidence
are going to be given to people who are not paying tax. Show me what in his plan describes a refundable (AKA non-wastable) tax credit. So far, all I can see is that sam does not understand the basic concepts of socialism, Marxism, tax cuts and tax credits. Tax cuts are a reduction in taxes, based on lowering a tax rate. You cannot reduce a rate on tax in the absence of tax due. Tax credits for the most part are paid against TAXES DUE. The 2 exceptions in the US are the earned income tax credit and the child tax credit
So show me where Obama has said that his tax credit would be a refundable/non-wastable credit. Also, naturally, I am still waiting for sam's answer to my original question on how it is that progressive tax reform is only socialist when it is Obama reform but no other president who has reformed the tax structure is a socialist? Please answer that question and the one about the refundable tax credit. Direct answers would be very much appreciated.
Please PROVIDE the examples.
Since these examples are so plentiful, you should have no problem coming up with a few of them.
Actually, this attempt to misdirect attention away from the REAL content of the posts, which you don't like, is what's boring. It's a trick you probably learned from Obama, who figures most people won't even notice that he's changed the conversation.
We notice that you're changing the conversation, so you lose.
Please PROVIDE the examples.
Since these examples are so plentiful, you should have no problem coming up with a few of them.
Actually, this attempt to misdirect attention away from the actual content of the posts, which you don't like, is what's painfully transparent and truly boring.
I won't answer your absurd accusations again and return the other readers to the program previously in progress. You just carry on with yourself.
In an effort to provide some information sm
I was on vacation when the posts were made, but a friend of mine copied them and sent them to me. They were no exactly death threats, but under a post wishing President Bush Happy Birthday, there were two posts saying something to the effect that they hoped Bush died and burned in hell. Also, every single thing you accuse conservatives of in this long post, every SINGLE thing, has been committed on this board by liberals. You might also notice that most of the conservative posters have stopped coming over here, something the liberal posters have not been able to do, as their drive-by postings still appear sporadically and predictably.
Please provide factual evidence of this...
....but MUST be from a nonpartison source absolutely. Actually I thought it was just as much the case with the Republican party, but I freely admit that I have no concrete statistics at this point to back that up.
Please provide substantiation for your claim.
After all, you are not GW who can manipulate the truth as he pleases. But anyway, please provide the "burn in hell for eternity" quote that seems to appear over and over. I notice that this "quote" also changes slightly each time it is "quoted."
I will provide an answer to your question
I feel it is in poor taste to adopt the moniker of a liberal-leaning poster on a liberal board and then post anti-liberal messages. This is common sense and if you have to ask why it matters...well you are probably lacking common sense, as well as basic manners.
But thought I'd try explaining it anyway.
Signed,
?? (am changing to Teddy, a less ambiguous moniker)
Saddam Hussein would provide anyone...
with anything if he thought it would be used to help bring down the United States and would make a "deal with the devil" (Al Qaeda) in order to attack the US, and I think anyone who thought differently would be disingenuous to say the least. Mortal enemies are often joined together by their hatred of some other entity....in this case of the United States, and Americans.
As to the 18 generals lined up behind Obama...what about the hundreds not lined up with him?
We will definitely disagree on this one.
Have a good night.
can you provide me a source so I can hear it? x
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Please provide details and link regarding the...sm
42 meth labs in Wasilla. I have not heard of this. Was it while SP was in office as mayor there, or what?
I truly want to know....thanks.
6 mil provide a bit more of an incentive to recant.
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How did the McCain provide this info??...
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Show me where Obama has said he would provide
did not earn income. Try to stay on task with this Sam. The associations argument is a one-way conversation headed toward a dead-end destination. Let's talk PROGRESSIVE TAX...which is the central issue here.
SP seems to be fine with windfall profits....call them what you like, rebate of whatever, but they are still windfall profits redistributed oil company revenues to the owners of "collectively owned resources"...her words, not mine.
Did you look at the chart? Do you have any comment on those telling historical rates? What about McCain's intent to keep the progressive tax structure as is...since it has serve our CAPITALIST economy well in the past.
Your argument is bankrupt. No soup for you.
Interesting that you provide a link
directly addresses and refutes your allegations that Snopes is steeped in liberal bias.
Quote:
Is TruthorFiction.com a more reliable source?
TruthorFiction.com has condemned this anonymous attack against Snopes.com and lauded the website as an "excellent" and "authoritative" resource.
What's ironic about the claim that TruthorFiction.com is more reliable than Snopes is that when you compare the contents of the two, their findings rarely diverge in any substantive way (does that mean TruthorFiction.com is biased too?).
Where the sites do differ is in the depth and quality of their coverage. On Snopes.com the Mikkelsons go to great lengths to address the finer details of each text. They supply critical analysis, as well as background and contextual information. They cite sources.
Not to disparage TruthorFiction.com owner Rich Buhler -- who does maintain an up-to-date and generally trustworthy resource -- but by comparison his analyses tend to be perfunctory, and his sourcing minimal at best.
Snopes.com boasts a 12-year record of providing accurate, dependable information and analysis, and in that time has earned the confidence of the media, government agencies, the business community, and the general public alike.
Given all of the above, Snopes is surely the preferable resource.
You won'the provide links because you have none, and
FREEREPUBLIC???? Are you kidding me? They are known to be the whackiest of all the whackos. The majority of republicans even disown them, but that certainly explains a lot about your mentality.
Well a hand up will not provide the people of New Orleans with sm
what they need in this time of crisis.
What are you smokin'? Do you think these people don't need emergency money now, they have lost everything.
Good grief. There are mannnny Americans who still live paycheck to paycheck and if the little they have is wiped out, they have nowhere to go. But some people don't see it that way. I call them the I got mine generation.
I guess Harvard fails to provide that course, eh?
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Then why didnt O just provide the REAL documents
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No bridger, you don't provide the links every time. That's
the point.
Mrs., if there ever was anyone posturing in a contest, you would definitely be the winner.
I don't intend to argue with you. I have cautioned you because you are putting this board and its owners at risk.
I don't click on links people provide because my
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I worry every time I provide the government
Where will this end up? How long will it stay there? How will it be used? Do I trust the guy presently in office? Congress? Will I trust the next crop of office holders? There is a reason why people are going *off the grid*
The pic isn't showing up for me so I am not
sure what one you are referring to, but I have seen video and pics of him saying the allegiance with his hand over his heart. There is a big snopes.com article about the whole thing and follows in line with with Chele said.
www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp
I think that showing them would....(sm)
definitely make it more dangerous for our troops in the middle east. I'm not sure how the rest of the world would look at it though. Here's the problem I see. If the photos are very damning, then it would again bring to the forefront pressure (from the public as well as other countries) to do prosecutions. I'm not so sure Obama wants to deal with that pressure since he hasn't been too excited about prosecutions anyway.
I personally wish they would go ahead and get it all over with (prosecutions, that is). If we lose a couple dems in the process, well, then so be it. If they were in on it, then they need to go anyway.
I think that showing them would....(sm)
definitely make it more dangerous for our troops in the middle east. I'm not sure how the rest of the world would look at it though. Here's the problem I see. If the photos are very damning, then it would again bring to the forefront pressure (from the public as well as other countries) to do prosecutions. I'm not so sure Obama wants to deal with that pressure since he hasn't been too excited about prosecutions anyway.
I personally wish they would go ahead and get it all over with (prosecutions, that is). If we lose a couple dems in the process, well, then so be it. If they were in on it, then they need to go anyway.
Please provide verifiable quotes to back up your claim.
I am not right or left and think you are all pretty much full of it but I have to see allegations made without proof. I haven't seen the staunchest of Republicans doing anything of the sort. I really hate when people throw things out without any kind of fact behind it.
Do not cut and paste long text...provide links!
Sheesh!
your ignorance is showing...
Your ignorance is showing...
Your paranoia is showing again. sm
Some things never change.
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