Personally, I have no greater fear than........ sm
Posted By: m on 2009-06-16
In Reply to: Ummm....I have a question...(sm) - Just the big bad
the fear of the unknown. Because Obama's promise of transparency went up in a wisp of smoke, many Americans fear what he may do without us knowing and how those actions may affect us.
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The greater good.
Should we have seen this coming? I suppose so. The constipated Republican base lost these elections, not the war on Iraq. A strange inertia seems to have gripped them. I wonder how many are regretting it now. I don't think that will be anything to the number who will regret it day by day as things unfold. To those who think President Bush was not the man for the job, I would say in the current political landscape, when a sitting president can be accused of being a liar by his opposition, pundits in the media, known socialists, communists, and sworn enemies, and it does not infuriate those who should be his supporters, there is something wrong.
When known Socialists and Communists are given kinder words by the media and the Democratic left, and the media fails to challenge those Socialists and Communists, there is something wrong.
When the Minority party can successfully obstruct everything that the majority party tries to do, and can then turn it back around as if it was the Majority party's shortcomings, there is something wrong.
In this political environment, chances are that in 2012, after the next president has had a chance to finish his (or her) first term, I will guarantee you will hear the following statement:
<insert President's name here> was not the man (or woman) for this job.
There will be no perfect Republican candidates. There will be no flawless campaign. There will be no let up from the Democrats or the Liberal media. Our enemies will learn every step of the way, and will modify their strategy to take advantage of the mess that they see...
If the Conservative base cannot put their idealistic expectations of perfection aside and get behind the party that isn't as bad as the other one, we WILL have a Democratic president on November 8, 2008, and I shudder to think what the first thing on her agenda will be...
She took it personally because she was attacked personally. Plain and simple.
Where did you get your debating skills? On the south side of Chicago in some street gang? Because if you did, it shows.
In a REAL debate, there is no room or tolerance for personal attacks. Yet, that's all you people know how to do. You can't stay on the issue. You MUST attack the poster personally, claiming to know not only what they think and feel but also claiming to know what every liberal ever thought or did, what they're thinking and doing right now and what they will be thinking and doing for the next 1,000 years. In fact, you seem to know everything about anything that ever existed on the planet, exists now or will exist into infinity.
As I (and others) have said repeatedly and you just can't seem to grasp, if you constantly treat people badly, they're not going to want to associate with you. Lurker was very gracious in her posts to all of you on your board, but even she, in the end, couldn't tolerate your continued, nonstop, personal attacks any more (as she indicated in her responses to the attackers). If you ever stop knowing it all and become interested in the proper way of debating someone, you could learn a lot from Lurker. You see, having *thick skin* is only important if you're a thug in a gang somewhere. It's irrelevant when it comes to treating humans like humans, and in that area, you have a lot to learn.
As for me, I like to learn from intelligent, friendly people with different political views, so I visit boards where those kinds of people are found. Not all conservatives are angry, rude, come out swinging and need to personally attack 1,000% of the time. Some of them are actually quite nice and informative, and they can be found on other forums. Too bad they can't be found on MTStars.
Have a pleasant evening. 
Fear Mongerer? Obama? McCain and Cheney were fear mongerer
and they STILL ARE !
A *fear tactic* . . .What is to fear in a
bother you!
Fear
Fear is a rational response when based on facts. It has enabled humans to survive throughout history, giving us the sense to run from something that is dangerous and encouraging us to use our wits to make good decisions to ensure our future survival. It was your fellow committed dems below who said their reasoning for not liking Palin is because "she creeped them out" and they don't like her voice. Is that the type of voters we want?
Nothing to fear
abide by the law. Why does that scare you?
I fear you are right.
They will be back under this administration. That, however, doesn't mean they are any good. it just means they will be there. Then we shall see whether they help or harm.
More fear??
 I absolutely agree with you. It seems that the harder Obama works to clean up the mess left by Bush the more ridiculous over-the-top the accusations get from the Repubs and Conservatives. Really, it is okay to not agree with Obama but come on-if you need to b***h, at least make it real. Trying to increase unemployment to wipe out capitalizism?? Puleez!!
Politics of fear?
Intrigued by what is scaring you and why. A few questions. Politics of fear. Which party embodies and promotes this concept? Why? Whose agenda does it serve? Who benefits? More importantly, who doesn't? Visions of terrorists licking their chops with itchy trigger fingers? Where is this coming from? Media? Party rhetoric? Bush/Cheney/McCain? If you think they will attack "no matter who the president will be" then the politics of fear and its manipulation is working well on you and we are all doomed to repeat that anguish. So you fight fear with more fear and leave that weapon in the hands of a hot head? Does that scare you more or make you feel more safe? Do you want to base your vote on a surrender to fear?
Now, how about that other conference table vision? You fear the Obama cult? What is it that they are following? Hope? Vision? A different approach? What does the alternative have to offer? An alliance of diplomacy?
While doing your research, it might help you to go to the following link and read it in it's entirety, including all the links embedded under At a Glance. Would be very interested if you are still having those visions and feeling as frightened after your research.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/#diplomacy
My fear is that if we bail them out
what have they learned. They obviously won't have any consequences to their actions. We will be the ones to suffer for their greed and crimes. However, what is to become of us if we don't bail them out? I really don't know the answer to this. I am just thoroughly ticked off that our government has allowed things to get like this. Now they are sitting around crying and whining, pointing fingers, wanting special interests included in the bill, etc. I'm just so disgusted.
The fear of Obama --
Why do some people think that 1 person can change everything? I've read comments on various sites, injecting fear that Obama is the one they speak of in Revelations, that he is a muslim trying to infiltrate this country from the inside out.
I hope that if anything can be learned by this recent economic situation, it is that 1 person, even the "top dog", can't bring about a change unless everyone else is on board. Pres Bush himself couldn't even get this bill passed. If he's top dog and he can't make that kind of change, why the fear that Obama could?
Excuse me, but we should fear someone who has a
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fear machine
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2008/10/01/ldt.tucker.economy.cnn
Here is where that comes from......fear factor
Brad Sherman is right....sorry bunch of cowardly people we put in there who brown-nose out of nothing more than fear that they feed on with each other. Nothing written in cement.....just the fear factor!
http://revolutionarypolitics.com/
Fear mongering. Do you ever have anything...sm
positive to say? You are the one who is marching in lock step with the republican party. There are good, average and bad in each party. No one is all bad or all good. Get it?
Obama knows the fear everyone has
He knows everyone is so worried about the economy that many will ignore his associations, his true feelings and where they lie. Unfortunately, many are doing just that.
I fear for his life.
I truly do worry about Barrack Obama for the simple fact that there are nut jobs out there who would rather he be killed than take the presidency. We've already had one plot to take his life. I hate to say that I believe there will be more. I will not be voting for Barrack Obama and I do believe he is a liar and will drag this country down into the dumps, but I do not wish him any harm.
If, God forbid, something horrible should happen to Barrack Obama....I believe it will tear our country apart. It will segregate us and racism will become even worse than it is now. We could potentially have our own civil war started with all of this.
The only thing we have to fear is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uwOL4rB-go
I really think that this is a ridiculous fear. sm
Should it happen, feel free to say, "I told you so." But I really think that you are all being just about as ridiculous as those saying the Obama is the antichrist. Neither is very likely in my opinion.
Smear = Fear
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Another lie. Another SMEAR=FEAR.
Please stop spreading lies.
Sorry, didn't mean to cause fear...(sm)
It sounds to me like the contractors may be able to get out before this is implemented......Hopefully they all will.
For those of you who so fear socialism
(and I don't want to see socialism), what do you think the Bush administration has done? Buying interests in banks, etc.
I also know quite a few wealthy folks and some who are just well-to-do. All grieve their losses in the stock market and they are all RABID REPUBLICANS who supported John McCain. They HATE Obama. They "get it." They hate him because they believe he is going to raise their taxes so he can lower taxes on the working class. All of them have been part of the working class. The wealthiest one is a widow who married her money. They aren't afraid of "Robin Hood," they're afraid of having to give back some of the windfall Bush gave them with his tax cuts.
Your fear of fact is
FOS
Fear SHOULD be acknowledged
It's a major players in this economic woes. MILLIONS of Americans don't need any politician or reporter to monger them into fear. They are there already, all by themselves. Losing their jobs, houses and savings, not being able to afford health care, medicines and food, uncertainty of what the future will bring. Pretty scary stuff. Acknowledging what Americans already know, defining the problem and signaling an awareness of how widespread the fear is before presenting a solution seems more than apprpriate to me. Some of us find it reassuring to know that our leaders are acutely aware of what we are going through. beats the heck out of repeated and blatent denial such as what we witnessed in the recent past when recession was whispered only in terms of the R-word.
FEAR will happen -
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should be - do NOT live in fear.
typing too fast and with too much emotion!
He's nothing more than a fear mongerer....
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To them it is a bad idea because they fear
they might come after THEM.
Therefore they want them out of the country.
They are the responsible ones, they ordered it and the ones who followed the rules were imprisoned.
No wonder Cheney is so desperately trying to defend his misdeeds.
And those of us who are conservative are living in fear that...
our courts will further erode our society to the point that everything goes. Heck, one third of the country already has to live with the notion that their 12-year-old can consent to an abortion without our knowledge (thanks to the 6th circuit court in California, legalize gay marriage without letting "we the people" decide how we want our society (yes, 78% of Americans are against it), and I could go on and on. Do you like the fact that another priviate citizen can now take your property just because HIS use of that property would generate more income for the government? Sounds like socialism is rapidly becoming fascism to me. You can thank the imminent domain decision to those wonderful progressives on the court. Yes, let's hope we get another Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the court so our country can continue it's slide down the toilet.
Fear, intimidation, threats.
Sounds like the Bush machine is working overtime. 
Not to fear. The Chinese are interested in...
...purchasing these American icons. More selling out of America, right under our noses.
Thank you, Congress. 
Chinese Automakers May Buy GM and Chrysler
By Bertel Schmitt
November 18, 2008 -
Chinese carmakers SAIC and Dongfeng have plans to acquire GM and Chrysler, China's 21st Century Business Herald reports today. [A National Enquirer the paper is not. It is one of China's leading business newspapers, with a daily readership over three million.] The paper cites a senior official of China's Ministry of Industry and Information Technology–– the state regulator of China's auto industry–– who dropped the hint that "the auto manufacturing giants in China, such as Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation (SAIC) and Dongfeng Motor Corporation, have the capability and intention to buy some assets of the two crisis-plagued American automakers." These hints are very often followed with quick action in the Middle Kingdom. The hints were dropped just a few days after the same Chinese government gave its auto makers the go-ahead to invest abroad. And why would they do that?
A take-over of a large overseas auto maker would fit perfectly into China's plans. As reported before, China has realized that its export chances are slim without unfettered access to foreign technology. The brand cachet of Chinese cars abroad is, shall we say, challenged. The Chinese could easily export Made-in-China VWs, Toyotas, Buicks. If their joint venture partner would let them. The solution: Buy the joint venture partner. Especially, when he's in deep trouble.
At current market valuations (GM is worth less than Mattel) the Chinese government can afford to buy GM with petty cash. Even a hundred billion $ would barely dent China's more than $2t in currency reserves. For nobody in the world would buying GM and (while they are at it) Chrysler make more sense than for the Chinese. Overlap? What overlap? They would gain instant access to the world's markets with accepted brands, and proven technology.
21st Century Business Herald, obviously with input from higher-up, writes that Chinese industry must change and upgrade. China wants their factories to change from low-value-added manufacturing to technically innovative and financially-sound high-value-add industries. Says the paper: "It would be much easier now for strong Chinese automakers to go global by acquiring some assets of their U.S. counterparts in times of crisis."
Deloitte & Touche sees a trend: "Chinese automakers can start with buying out the OEM projects and Chinese ventures of some global carmakers such as GM and Chrysler."
The Chinese appear to have bigger plans than an accounting firm can imagine. 21st Century Business Herald acts and writes as if its already a done deal, and the beginning of more to come. "In the coming two years China is likely to see a few of its large Chinese automakers and other manufacturing enterprises set a precedent for achieving globalization by acquiring global companies, just like SAIC or Dongfeng's possible acquisition of troubled GM or Chrysler."
Just in case you missed it, the Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation (SAIC) is China's largest auto manufacturer. In 1984, the company entered a joint venture with Volkswagen. A decade later, SAIC entered a joint venture with General Motors. In 2007, SAIC bought the Nanjing Automobile Corporation, which had acquired British MG Rover in 2005.
Dongfeng Motor Corporation is a public company, although 70 percent of their shares are reported to be in government hands. They also are one of China's Big Three. The company has numerous joint venture partners, such as Nissan, Peugeot-Citroen, Honda, and Kia. Dongfeng (which means "East Wind") was founded at the behest of Mao Zedong himself in 1968.
Obama supporters have nothing to fear
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Here's the fear card, people.
Lap it up.
That's not a fear card, that's the truth.
If Clinton had dealt with the terrorists a little sooner, 9/11 may not have even happened. I know this is a shoulda/coulda kind of statement, but everyone's always going on about Bush and the war - I may not agree with why he went into Iraq, but I know with him in the Oval Office, we're a lot safer in this country, as well as several other countries. The truth is that there are many people that hate us and our country not because of who our President is, it's because we choose to be free, have freedom of speech and freedom of religion and freedom from tyranny. Can you imagine someone just walking into the White House and declaring himself President? That happens in the kind of countries that hate us. There are problems in this country, yes, but at least be glad that you live in a country where you won't get sent to jail or killed because you have different beliefs than the government. And as far as being afraid of these people? We should be!!! They have nuclear weapons (or will soon) - you don't think they're crazy enough to use them? That's why I want someone leading my country who's not afraid to stand up and say NO! You can't mess with my country and her people!!! Now, whichever candidate you think will do that is the one that deserves your vote.
Could you please cite your sources? No fear here.
Don't you think you are being just a little presumptuous? There is nothing to fear from Saracuda. O will not be addressing her seriously because he is running against the tin man...you know, the silenced sidekick whose mouth has rusted shut that tags along behind her? How presidential do you think that he is looks when he behaves like that? Dems have BTDT 24 years ago. Geraldine Ferraro surged polls up to the sky for a week or 2, yet ended up being the same kind of sideshow JM has become when it was time to come back to earth and address campaign issues. Hype and hysteria is no substitute for substance.
fear is an emotional response
based on perceived danger. Trying to "reason" with fear or fight emotion with "facts" is fruitless. The dems have millions of new voters registered, we are not overly concerned about losing a few votes from those ruled by emotion rather than reason. That's what democracy is all about. Vote or not vote based on any whatever floats your boat.
We are all evil to fear mongers!
Hey fear mongers...Boo!
Fear is that they will still collapse even after the bail out.
Hedge funds are about to fold. Derivatives which I do not understand are a whole other ballgame - They are what made the hedge fund managers millionaires - it is like betting on stocks (as one would with football) and is somehow linked to the stock market.
This site explains it well:
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2008/06/derivatives-market-is-unwinding.html
fear has ruled us for eight years
It is a breath of fresh air to show TRUE faith in God, America, and Americans, by not being afraid of us.
A true Christian has no fear....
Why do you fear anything?
All we hear from the Christians is fear...
Obama scares them, liberals scare them, pro-choice people scare them, people who believes different than they do scare them, their own shadows scare them, etc., etc., etc.
This what I'm personally going to do
In every place I go where the pledge is recited ballgames mostly when we got to the words under God it's amplified UNDER GOD!!! That's what I intend on doing even if it becomes illegal. I don't care if they outlaw the word God period I'll shout it from the mountaintops. First of all to glorify my God, and second of all to irritate those who think it's a curse word.
Go ahead sue me...hang me...chop my head off. The best is yet to come for me anyway.
I personally think that
the McCain campaing has set Palin up to be the attacker of Obama's character and let McCain talk about what they will do if they are elected.
As for Palin lying, I do believe that Obama has not been 100% truthful with things brought out about him. He has changed his story several times on different associations and issues and that makes me not trust him.
I do find it interesting that a lot of times what an Obama supporter can say about Palin....a McCain supporter can say about Obama. LOL! Kind of makes you wonder what the heck all of us are thinking really.
One thing that holds true for me in the case of Sarah Palin is that she cut spending in her state. I truly do believe that for the sake our country....we need to cut back on the government pending and this just reinforces my trust in McCain and Palin to do just that. Obama...on the other hand....I believe will not cut back on spending as he has endorsed more pork in his short term in senate than McCain has his entire career.....and that to me says a lot. And that has nothing to do with him being a POW and having the scars to prove it. LOL!
Personally, you hit on one of her best...
attributes. I like the idea of a VP who could lock and load with the Secret Service if need be. Shove those guys out of the way and take care of herself. Hooah! lol.
Well, I personally am a
right-leaning Libertarian who registered Republican last time McCain made an attempt, just so that I could vote for him in that primary.
This time around he has morphed into something so frightening that I'm voting for Obama, & I haven't voted for a Democrat in 30 years.
Well, personally s/m
I could not care less so long as they don't mess around with the constitution. I do think, however, that there is much ado about nothing. As for the alleged tax breaks...when my husband and I married we asked my CPA about tax ramifications. He said we would be better off to marry. When we filed our first joint return, the same CPA said he didn't realize how much our income was and that in fact, marrying was the worst thing we could do tax-wise. So if gays/lesbians want to marry for tax purposes, they had better take a good hard look at where the marriage will put them.
I don't know that there's anything legal/illegal about it but I expect that in the case of serious illness or injury a significant other would not be kept from the bedside.
My husband and I used an attorney to draw up papers (forget what they are called) that directs everything that could possibly be foreseen and the cost was something like $350. That would work just as well for gays/lesbians I would think.
We have a gay couple in our community, also biracial. They moved here from another state. Both wear wedding rings, I have no idea what it symbolizes, haven't asked. One is rather elderly and has relatives here but they accept the significant other and everyone just goes about their business.
Gay/lesbian relations are not new, it goes all the way back to biblical times. I don't lean in that direction myself so I do not know anything about it, whether it is a choice or people are born with that bend. I just have a hard time with God saying that it is an abomination for a man to lie with a man as with a woman and then that He would turn around and cause people to be born with this kind of sexual orientation. That being said, let them do what they will, it is between them and God. Like religion and politics, they don't need to try to shove it down the throats of the majority who are heterosexual.
I personally don't know anyone......... sm
with voter's remorse right now, but I can guarandangtee you there will be a whole bunch of folks in about 6 months to a year or so who will rue the day they cast their ballot for the O.
perhaps you just don't personally know anyone
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Personally
I think it's all of the above and then some.
guns, fear, what a post, blah
Nah, I dont think terrorists will come my way but, however, when I move back to NY next year (cant wait), if a terrorist decides to blow up my beloved subway system or Long Island railroad, I dont think a gun would mean much. I do suggest Bush check out our borders cause right now Im living in CA, two hours from the Mexican border and it is quite easy to get across, without a problem at all and he should also check out the trucking industry cause there has been a question that possibly they can blow up trucks but, however, you cant live your life in fear. Im not afraid..Im living my life as I have. Im not afraid to die..With introspection, however, I am a bit fearful of suffering, so if it ever happened, I would hope I would die, not suffer, ya know?
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