Perhaps your narrow world, not mine.
Posted By: A.Nonymous on 2009-03-24
In Reply to: Hmmmm... - Clarice
Trying to figure out exactly what a community organizer does (besides having dinner with terrorists, listening to - but never actually hearing - hate speech in church, rallying fraudulent votes, etc.).
Perhaps you could enighten me, o wise one?
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It doesn't narrow our view of the world,
it expands it.
In your world....thank God not in mine. nm
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your world is not mine - if you cannot get jobs or they are being lost,
or you can no longer afford to go to college, then there is no way to survive without social programs. Lucky for your life, more power to you, but opportunity is shrinking for most of us in the country. The people with the most chance for opportunity and becoming rich are now $250,000 and over - we make $40,000 between 2 of us - sorry, we are just not buying into the mentality that we should just be lucky to have jobs and we should just work hard for our money. we have spent some 40 years putting money INTO this society only now have no control whatsoever over anything.
you honestly think people are going to just keep giving and giving, taking less for themselves and be happy?
I totally disagree with you and I am not all that intereseted in what people who have money think or what their opinions are about what to do with my money. my point is at least it comes back to ME via social programs, or helps some disadvantaged children to get ahead. do you think whoopie there would have gotten anywhere without utilizing some kind of social programs?
I am not bickering about small things here, I am talking about rich people who do not pay taxes and get all the tax breaks and credits while I pay higher in percentage of taxes on everything, such that I cannot even survive on what I am making now.
you act like it is so easy to just go get a job, work hard - where, tell me where to get a job paying enough to cover cost of living. are you living in reality? I do not have a college education, could never afford one, and more and more people cannot afford college education, a lot of grants are gone, no help for the disadvantaged.
have you ever had to decide whether to buy groceries or to pay the electric bill that is going to be shut off? I could go on but what is the point. the republicans just seem to want to get rid of dead weight and just use people as servants, that is the only kind of job I have to look forward to after all my hard work, a service job at some fast-food chain.
again, this is a good point because all this is doing is going to cause a revolution, but it will not be a good one and it will only open up for some worse type of 'party' to take over.
we have more crime than ever going on where I live, because of the economy, but wait until the rich start getting hit because we are starting to see that a lot now here.
they have everything and flaunt it all in front of the poor living right beside them.
Are you that narrow-minded?
Are you so stuck on being "anti-religious" or amti-Christian or whatever that you don't realize everyone that opposes abortion is not a Christian?
Why is it if someone opposes abortion they MUST be Christian. If someone opposes abortion that has no religious beliefs, what do you call them? Maybe they just know murder when they see it?
Must have. Guess my scope was too narrow.
Besides that, while comparing one to the other, some folks might make a few distinctions between the 2. Studds was openly gay US federal level politician, a seat he held for 24 years. In 1973 he had a legal, consensual relationship/affair with a 17-year-old minor congressional page (age of consent being 17), Dean T. Hara, who became his partner for life and who he later MARRIED in 2004 Evidently, they had to wait for gay marriage to become legal, or would have married much earlier. Hara had clearly stated "knew exactly what he was doing" when he had the affair with Studds. Since the act was legal, no charges were filed and Studds received a congressional censure for inappropriately engaging in a relationship with a subordinate, after which he was re-elected to 6 consecutive terms. Studds worked consistently for same-sex marriage, AIDS funding and civil rights for gays and lesbians. His behavior was entirely consistent with his politics. Studds was no hypocrite. He died 2 short years after he was finally allowed to marry the love of his life.
Fast forward to the current century. Mark Foley one of the foremost opponents of child porn, worked on behalf of missing and exploited children and worked to outlaw web sites featuring sexually explicit images of preteen children, which he considered as a "fix for pedophiles." He also worked for tougher sex offender laws. Upstanding guy, yes?
Enter the creep factor. Behind the scene, he was sending solicitous e-mails and IMs to former teenage male congressional pages OVER A PERIOD OF TEN YEARS. To his credit, I suppose, in at least 2 cases, he waited until after the boys turned 18 and 21 respectively, before having sex with them. He sent 5 emails to a former 16-year-old page in 2004, when among other things he requested the minor send his photo and remarked about the great physical attributes of another underage page to him. He reported this to a senior official and said he had been warned about other female pages who had been "hit on."
In 2002, he invited a 17-year-old over for oral sex, an offer the youth declined. He had asked another for a photo of his erect penis. That guy knew 4 or 5 other pages who had received similar sexually explicit emails. There were at least another half-dozen or so pages who received the sexually explicit IMs.
There's more, but it is pretty sordid and would be quite time-consuming to get into on this forum. Suffice to say that these "advances" were unwanted and unsolicited. They occurred over a decade with so many pages one loses count and were reflective of a pattern of sick, sick behavior. There was the spectre of stalking underpinning the episodes. All of this was occurring while the HYPOCRITE was doing the above described "good works" legislation.
Studds and Foley were both indiscrete, to be sure, but beyond that, there is no real comparison. Call me crazy here, but somehow, I do not see these 2 behaviors as being the same thing by any stretch of the imagination.
Must have. Guess my scope was too narrow.
Besides that, while comparing one to the other, some folks might make a few distinctions between the 2. Studds was openly gay US federal level politician, a seat he held for 24 years. In 1973 he had a legal, consensual relationship/affair with a 17-year-old minor congressional page (age of consent being 17), Dean T. Hara, who became his partner for life and who he later MARRIED in 2004 Evidently, they had to wait for gay marriage to become legal, or would have married much earlier. Hara had clearly stated "knew exactly what he was doing" when he had the affair with Studds. Since the act was legal, no charges were filed and Studds received a congressional censure for inappropriately engaging in a relationship with a subordinate, after which he was re-elected to 6 consecutive terms. Studds worked consistently for same-sex marriage, AIDS funding and civil rights for gays and lesbians. His behavior was entirely consistent with his politics. Studds was no hypocrite. He died 2 short years after he was finally allowed to marry the love of his life.
Fast forward to the current century. Mark Foley one of the foremost opponents of child porn, worked on behalf of missing and exploited children and worked to outlaw web sites featuring sexually explicit images of preteen children, which he considered as a "fix for pedophiles." He also worked for tougher sex offender laws. Upstanding guy, yes?
Enter the creep factor. Behind the scene, he was sending solicitous e-mails and IMs to former teenage male congressional pages OVER A PERIOD OF TEN YEARS. To his credit, I suppose, in at least 2 cases, he waited until after the boys turned 18 and 21 respectively, before having sex with them. He sent 5 emails to a former 16-year-old page in 2004, when among other things he requested the minor send his photo and remarked about the great physical attributes of another underage page to him. He reported this to a senior official and said he had been warned about other female pages who had been "hit on."
In 2002, he invited a 17-year-old over for oral sex, an offer the youth declined. He had asked another for a photo of his erect penis. That guy knew 4 or 5 other pages who had received similar sexually explicit emails. There were at least another half-dozen or so pages who received the sexually explicit IMs.
There's more, but it is pretty sordid and would be quite time-consuming to get into on this forum. Suffice to say that these "advances" were unwanted and unsolicited. They occurred over a decade with so many pages one loses count and were reflective of a pattern of sick, sick behavior. There was the spectre of stalking underpinning the episodes. All of this was occurring while the HYPOCRITE was doing the above described "good works" legislation.
Studds and Foley were both indiscrete, to be sure, but beyond that, there is no real comparison. Call me crazy here, but somehow, I do not see these 2 behaviors as being the same thing by any stretch of the imagination.
only the conservative, narrow-minded ones!
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That is the MOST narrow-minded post....
I have seen here. Got a mirror handy? :-)
narrow minded? yup that is the O lovers
P.S. - last time someone was called stupid they were banned.
You don't like what I have to say fine. Maybe you should keep your opinions to yourself. No need to be rude - oh wait! Your an O lover. Guess you do feel you have the right to be rude.
As Ben Franklin said, which fits perfectly about your post, .... "Better to keep silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt".
More like narrow minded people
Without resorting to throwing out some silly retort.
Who says your way is the right way? That is why we live in AMERICA - we are FREE to make our own choices. It is not up to the government to watch your children. That is YOUR job. Their job is to uphold the Constitution OF the people BY the people...lest you forget!
Nor I with the cloistered and narrow-minded.
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No, I challenge you to show me mean, narrow minded,
shallow, pure hatred from the reps to the dems on this board.
I think you libbies have it won down pat. Same on other boards, not just this one.
And for that matter, show me anywhere, that same degree of "hatred" toward Obama, that is now being shown to Gov. Palin.
I don't mean mere dislike, or spoof of his lack of anything, either. I mean the hatred.
Republicans don't act that way. But if they have, please give me an example, please.
That is so narrow-minded and not true. You are so judgemental (sm)
apparently, you are the only non-racist, good person in the United States, aren't you? Take yourself off your pedestal. Many of us are just as kind-hearted and see race as a nonissue as you claim to be. Get off your high horse.
You've got to be kidding! How narrow-minded
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Isn't google wonderful? For expanding your narrow scope? sm
I also remember them comparing the two a while back, especially since Studds passed away recently. I guess it does depend on whose imagination you're stretching, doesn't it.
Nice of you to be so graphic about it.
Your views are so narrow. Blind religious fanatacism
Sad.
So has mine. nm
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Mine too
I was seriously bummed when he left the race. I really think he could have shaken up the party and turned Washington around. Oh well, guess we'll never know.
so are mine nm
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So were mine
I get aggravated too when people lie or use eloquent words to gloss over the real issue.
Neither are mine
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None of mine
have either. I usually lurk but I enjoy a good debate and intelligent conversation.
And clearly, neither did mine...
we are still spending money that doesn't exist to try to spend ourselves out of debt. But are you serious that everyone supports the troops? Have you not seen people protesting at military funerals? Or how about the people who stood outside our base with signs that said that all military men are terrorists who only want to murder helpless children. Whether or not you personally know them, there are people who are not behind troops. Take a look at the person who said they die for "no reason." Heaven forbid that my husband does not make it home from Iraq, God help anyone who has the audacity to say to my face that it was for nothing!
Unfortunately, not in mine......
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SP said it, too. In the post above mine. :) NM
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and you keep making mine
So if something is amiss in the word you don't try to fix it at all you just hope that it goes away?
Would you rather deal with Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, Hamas before they get nukes or after? Should we have let Saddam get nukes too?
This whole *Bush was too preoccupied with Iraq to deal with this situation* the Dems are crying is bull. Just like everything else they say in fact. This situation has been ongoing for years. The cease fires so touted by Madeline Albright and Clinton have never been true cease fires. This is a conflict that has been going on ever since there were Jews and Arabs. This is one situation you cannot historically place the blame on Bush. Doesn't hold water. So, if you are so concerned about our President supposedly not knowing history or geographics then I suggest you do some studying of your own, because your history and your perception of it is a little skewed itself.
so was mine, but I guess
the recipient didn't get it . . . .
It's their own words, not yours or mine. nm
Sam, you give closed-minded people way too much of your time! Oh well. It's your call.
They may be off your radar, not mine...
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and I base mine on
available information .... don't just pull them out of my bellybutton.
Mine is nm, stopping using that too.
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I have a friend of mine who has a
few nieces who are biracial and they are absolutely beautiful kids. I think some of the cutest kids are "oreos."
Your words, not mine.
Got it?
Her message....not mine..(sm)
"If there is an open door in 2012 or four years later, and if it is something that is going to be good for my family, for my state, for my nation, an opportunity for me, then I'll plough through that door," Mrs Palin said.
All indictations, from what I see, are that Palin is going to run for Prez in 2012. I would guess that this means the pubs are going even farther to the right.
Mine's 148, and I'm just "Joe MT".
and you missed mine...
All I meant was she wasn't judging her on her LOOKS, but I believe how she looks at people. does that make sense? She is a beautiful woman and she does love her family, that is great. But I believe the poster was relating her personality... which some find abrasive and a little rude and "above" others you know? you dont see it that way, but some do. that's all. personally i have no opinion of her i dont know enough.
Your comparison, not mine.
Can't blame him at all for trying to grab a couple of gasps of fresh air after being immersed in the cesspool with the tax cuts for the rich or else monolith.
So did mine - but one wonders when?!
I've dropped all kinds of hints, and finally went upstairs and came back down in my pyjamas and slippers. But they're still sitting there swilling my punch, dropping cake on the carpet and acting like they own the joint.
Did mine. YOUR turn.nm
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That's your notion, not mine
As I said in a previous post, I believe in Jesus's death and resurrection. I just don't believe that belief is all it takes to get into heaven.
That's funny, it's in mine. s/m
But I can understand that it is not in yours since it has more than 3 letters.
What exactly is your problem? Why did you think it necessary to make a comment like that? Tell me, did it make you feel more superior? Or are you just so pathetic that you cannot even come up with something more grown-up sounding? Were you the bully or the bullied in school? Which was it -- something you never grew out of or something (or someone) you're trying to get back at?
contacted mine and...
also Nancy Pelosi. You can email her even if you aren't in her district. There is a place on her web site for anyone to email her. I hope everyone does the same.
I contacted mine too
I hope it does some good. There are just so many of them in lock-step with the big O and they don't want to cross him.
Her words (the missionary's), not mine.
Bush: A Case for Murder and Execution by Vincent Bugliosi, the Los Angeles prosecutor who so far has batted a thousand in murder cases: 21 trials, 21 convictions, including the Charles Manson case in 1971. He laid it all out there. Please do not come back with that tired rant about authors and book sales unless you have read it yourself.
Or maybe she just watched the horror unfold and came to her own conclusions. She and Mr. Bugliosi are not alone in this view/opinion. Despite the absence of mainstream media coverage, this book is enjoying brisk sales.
Like the OP suggested to you: If you come out of your comfort zone you might be surprised by what you find.
Pompous is your forte, not mine.
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Writing mine in because I don't care
Many say that's a "wasted vote," but I think not. It shows both candidates that there are people that don't agree with either one of them! Besides, if I don't like either one, I'm not voting for the "lesser of two evils" because either way, it's still evil in the end, right? I'd rather "waste" a vote on a write-in candidate than have any remorse later for placing a vote I can't stand behind.
I couldn't live w/o mine
I have 3 CCrane radios, which are designed for AM radio, durability, etc. At least you can catch many podcasts. The thing I like about them (the free ones, of course, which basically all are), have the commercials extracted from them. The only problem is that there literally aren't enough hours in the day for all of it. The best part is that it's free--no cable, etc.
You may have already signed up for Glenn's things being sent to your inbox. I get those and many more...
WHAT 401K? Mine evaporated after the
And since my job will probably end up in India soon anyway, I'll be the next one needing a government handout. So bet your bippy I'm voting for a democratic president!
Please refer to mine and give me
relative to your double standard.
NO!! Those are Palin's words, not mine!! She said that!
I was responding regarding qualification. Palin had no idea what the VP does... not sure what interview it was, but she said that the VP was in charge of the Senate.
Well, mine is definitely Okie. Never lost it.
Guess I haven't been gone long enough to lose it. I think NE Oklahoma/NW Arkansas accents pretty similar. So we probably do. I say "coke," (the Okie all purpose word for Coke, Pepsi, DP, lol) these folks up here say "soda." Drives me nuts. Soda is made by Arm & Hammer. LOL. The very FIRST thing I do when I get back to my old home town is get a chicken-fried steak, mashed potatoes and white gravy. These people up here don't even know what white gravy is. lol. Traveling for a few years has been real educational though. Still...ready to go home. :)
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