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Found this very interesting site on coal technology. It explains a lot about clean oil technology and what's being done. On the right side of the screen is a map of the U.S. If you click on that, then choose a dot on the map, it tells you what research is being done now.

Read some of the articles. Surf the site.

http://www.americaspower.org/News/

For all those that are in the delusional state of NO TAXES by precious Obama, you just wait and see.  He has already tried to raise your taxes earlier this year, NOT the businesses you all seem to despise so much that employ you but the WORKING CLASS MIDDLE CLASS!  He and Clinton tried very underhandedly to try for a vote just to see if they could get it through.  You need to pay attention and you can say he didn't all you want but he DID!

WASHINGTON - Presidential candidates John McCain, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton interrupted their campaign schedules to return to the Senate for votes on taxes and spending likely to become key points of contention in the race for the White House.

Votes on tax cuts and on a one-year ban on pet projects topped the Senate’s agenda before an expected late-night vote yesterday to pass a $3 trillion Democratic budget blueprint. The nonbinding plan predicts a balanced budget in four years and promises generous increases for many domestic programs, but achieves those goals only by assuming major tax increases when President Bush’s tax cuts expire in about three years.

Obama(D-Ill.) and Clinton (D-N.Y.) both promise to reverse Bush’s tax cuts for wealthier taxpayers, but the Democratic budget they’ll be voting for would allow income tax rates to go up on individuals making as little as $31,850 and couples earning $63,700 or more.

I've been listening to B. Clinton campaign with Obama.  He is saying (not in these exact words and if I'm wrong please correct me), but I believe I heard Bill say "if you liked my tax plan where I taxed the super wealth and gave the middle income a tax break your going to love Obama's plan".  This is just an outright lie.  It's worse than a lie (if I could find a worse word I'd use it).  It's worse than a lie because they know it is and lie and they are insulting our intelligence by thinking we don't remember what really happened under Clintons taxes.  They prey on the weak and the weak believe them.  Here are 2 reasons why he is lying (and with a smile on his face).

First, at no time whatsoever during the Clinton administration did the wealthy pay more taxes (and believe me there are plenty of weathy that benefited from Clinton's tax breaks for them).  He did not tax them, just didn't happen, and most people know it.  You can say all you want, but if it didn't happen it didn't.  The fact is the super wealther became even more wealthy under Clinton;s tax breaks for them.  They hid their assets in off-shore accounts (remember Mark Rich?) and in tax-free havens.  Basically the super wealthy "hid" their money and they were not taxed on it.  On an "off-side" note would anyone care to explain how John Kerry and his wife Teresa Heinz only paid 6% of their total income, etc in taxes while the rest of us middle income had to pay 30 and 40% and more.

Second, I found an article written by Daniel Mitchell.  He is a Ph.D. and an expert in the field of tax policy and economics.  I'll include the link below so you can read the whole thing.  It was written back in February of 1993, the day after Clinton proposed the biggest tax increase in history.  That means he was the first President of any of our Presidents throughout history to put the highest tax increase on the American people.  And who paid that tax increase?  US - The middle income America.  He broke all his campaign promises of giving us tax breaks and instead we all ended up paying more.  When you go from paying 24% in taxes to paying 43% that is a HUGE difference.  Anyway...Clinton tried to claim it was a $493 billion deficit reduction package, when in truth the package was not balanced and did not generate the level of budget savings that Clinton implied it did.  On top of that he increased spending by $10 Billion over the next 4 years.  And they say that Clinton is brilliant??????  I guess if you call deceipful brilliant.  I've got some other words for it though.

Anyway, the link is below, and in the article you can even click on the authors name and it will bring you to a biography about him and other articles he has written.  And I for one will listen to a Ph.D. who is an expert in economics and tax policies over a bunch of Clinton-stooges spewing lies.

So....as for Mr. Clinton's statement that if you liked his tax plan when he was President (i.e., if you liked paying more taxes, while the weathly got to pay a fraction of what you paid and got wealthier) then your gonna love Obama's plan.  That translates into another term of living in he!! with no money to do anything, go anywhere, savings will be wiped out, no extra-curricular activites for kids, and forget retirement.  None!  It will be gone.  

A speech that Gerald Ford once gave comes to my mind, however, now it has turned the tables.  When he said after Nixon was removed from office "our long national nightmare is over", What is a more true statement today is if this Obama is elected the statement will be "My Fellow American's a long national nightmare is about to begin".

A great number of us have serious (and with good reason) doubts about this Obama person.  He is a smooth talker just like Bill Clinton is.  He generates crowds like a superstar.  Unfortunately, these are the same crowds I watch when I watch history films of different dictators.  It sends a chill through my bones to know that so many people have fallen under his trance.  I know a lot of Obama fans love him beyond words and think he is the messiah, but I just say I'm glad I opened my eyes and I wish more people would do the same.

something is bound to crash!  I think my kids are probably responsible for about half of those text messages, thank goodness for unlimited!! 

Too bad we can't develop the technology to come up with a decent government! 

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/senator_obamas_four_tax_increa.html

I confess.  Senator Obama's two tax promises: to limit tax increases to only those making over $250,000 a year, and to not raise taxes on 95% of "working Americans," intrigued me.  As a hard-working small business owner, over the past ten years I've earned from $50,000 to $100,000 per year.  If Senator Obama is shooting straight with us, under his presidency I could look forward to paying no additional Federal taxes -- I might even get a break -- and as I struggle to support a family and pay for two boys in college, a reliable tax freeze is nearly as welcome as further tax cuts.

When a president decides to buy banks, they call that FASCISM.  This is exactly what Bush has done.

Why do you not have a problem with that?

Are all of you so rich that you don't know what the middle class is going through these days?  This country is in a shambles, and people are suffering through no fault of their own.

It's HIGH TIME the plight of the middle class is acknowledged and some help offered.

This "trickle-down" theory is NOT working, and it's time to employ the "trickle-UP" theory.

They are doing all they can to make THEIR life comfortable.  As long as they are getting paid and their pockets are getting filled with money......that is all they care about.  We can't trust our government.  Look at what trusting the government has done to us so far.  Our economy is in shambles and the government wants to blow over 800 billion dollars again.  This isn't going to fix our economy.  It is just going to raise government spending and leave an even bigger deficit than we already had for our grandchildren.  This stimulus package is a joke.  I am totally against it!

What I want to know is why can't the government start something that would charge companies who outsource production to other countries?  Let them open up a factory in another country but they have to pay a huge tax or something to do it.  Make it to where it isn't a good financial decision so we can keep the jobs we have now and create more.  That would help us MTs out as well.  What is the point of creating jobs in our country if companies can still up and leave to go to other countries?  Seriously....what is made in America?  Even foreign cars like Honda who have factories here in America.....that money still doesn't go to the US.  I know it employes Americans but the majority of the money there still goes out of the country.  I want American made goods made by Americans.  I also think people hiring illegal aliens should be penalized and fined heavily for doing so.  That would stop that crap too. 

take your money, just like my money, and put it into a package where it gives money to this group and that group and this group over here and just hope that they use that money wisely and that it helps the people who need help?  Like I said before....that worked out swell when we gave money to the banks. 

I don't want my money to go for irresponsible people either but you know what....it is and it will.  You all talk about how everyone should have healthcare and how government should fund healthcare, through taxpayer money, so everyone is insured.  Yet you refuse to give money so people can keep their houses?  Yes, some were irresponsible and were just plain dumb in their decisions and yet some just got a raw deal during this tough time and got dragged down.

You all talk about conservatives flipping sides when a handout comes along but it sounds to me like all these liberals want to help others out until it comes time to give that help.  Healthcare for all paid by taxpayers.  You may not have a home and your kids may not have a warm bed to sleep in....but hey....you got healthcare.....whoooopppeee!

100 cartons since 2005, not 1981.

So they don't have to pretend to say anything.  They've got documentation from the vendors.

tries to stop us surfing porn sites....that is where I draw the line.  LOL!   

Just wondered what everyone thinks about this subject.  I haven't seen it discussed yet and if it has been sorry.  Do you think the government should bail out these two institutions and if so, or not so, why?

I heard someone on the TV today (didn't recognize the name but he's an idependent) he asked the question, so is it going to be the people who make $30K a year the ones who pay for this or the billionaires and trillionaires?  I thought that was a good point.

Also I heard that one of the guys in charge (forget his name right now) made over $90 million and he isn't paying anything.  I would think that if you make over $90M on this and you run it into the ground you should have to forfeit whatever you made and pay it back (but that's my own opinion).

Just to narrow their choices down to who they want instead of letting the people decide, as in a free democracy, even the states are changing their rules without the knowledge of its citizens..........

http://www.ronpaulforpresident2008.com/editorials/URGENT_Party_Switching_Deadlines.html

I don't think I want to see that.

Your post that Jesus loves us even if we don't love him put a song running through my head.....Alzheimer.........what's the name of it, "He loved me ere I knew him, so all my love is due him...."  What's the NAME of that hymn?????

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November 12, 2008 1:02 PM

This morning Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson addressed a skeptical press about the latest plans for those 700 billion dollars that were appropriated for the "TARP" -- or Troubled Asset Recovery Program. Now Paulson says Treasury won't buy those "Trouble Assets" -- one of the many metamorphoses this program has had in its young life.

In the meantime, care to apply for some TARP money? Turns out there's a five-page, downloadable document to fill in -- if you're interested...here's the link.

And here's ABC's Dan Arnall on whether there has been, as he puts it, a "Great TARP Bait & Switch".

No Troubled Asset Purchases? Then what are they doing with that $700 billion blank check? They are buying bank stock, not troubled assets. We probably shouldn't call it the TARP anymore. Instead, they are focused on a capital purchase plan (CPP) which is the widely reported $250 billion plan to use taxpayer money to purchase a stake in banks. "By October 26th we had $115 billion out the door to eight large institutions," said Paulson. "In Washington that is a land-speed record from announcing a program to getting funds out the door. We now have approved dozens of additional applications, and investments are being made in approved institutions." When we'll get a list of those dozens of additional applicants which will be getting a piece of the $125 billion in remaining taxpayer case remains to be seen. The original CPP participants were told about the program at a closed-door meeting at Treasury and no minutes have been released on what was said during the meeting.

So, is this the biggest bait and switch in American history? There will certainly be critics who say that Paulson and the Bush Administration were disingenuous when they were selling Congress and the American public on the program back in September. And they’d probably be right. Paulson said today, he knew when the bill was signed the purchase of trouble assets wasn’t the right solution to the problem. But history will judge Hank & Co. on the effectiveness of their response. If the risks to the financial system remain low, the future doesn’t bring bigger bank and financial institution failures, and the recession doesn’t get too deep or last too long, then the quick pivot on this plan will probably go unnoticed.

money from SS for years but always forget to pay it back. That's why SS is in such bad shape. From what I know and read, SS is in a general fund, not a specific fund, so they can use that money any time they want to, but they never paid a penny of it back.

for shielding kids from everything.  You're right, it is natural curiosity, but realistically you cannot control that.  Kids are smarter than you give them credit for.  If a young boy wants to see a naked female, then guess what?  He'll figure out a way to do that with or without the internet.  What did they do before the internet came along?  It's a waste of time and money for the govt to try to alter the progression of nature. 

And yes, I believe in sex education, but think it is the parents' responsibility to do it.  When a child starts asking questions, he deserves real answers. 

I think the question is, would you rather him learn by you teaching him about these things, grasping what he can from a glimpse at an internet page, or maybe just the girl next door?  It's up to parents to provide guidelines for their children, not the govt. 

BTW, not everyone that looks at porn on the internet is a social deviant.  Curiosty does not end at age 12.

responsible for this mess including the last administration as well as this one.  I do not like what President Obama is doing.  This stimulus package is a joke.  It is full of earmarks and pork.  I can smell the bacon being fried in D.C. all the way over here in Indiana. 

I want to see jobs created.  I want more focus on alternative fuels.  I want to tap the resources we have now and create jobs.  I'm tired of giving money to banks.  I'm tired of giving money to people who were irresponsible while harding working people suffer and try to stay afloat because of their bad decisions as well as the bad decisions made by crooks in government. 

I didn't totally agree with the bailout Bush pushed for either, but you know what....I believe Barry Obama voted yes to that.  He was in the senate and therefore I hold the senate responsible for things too.  Bush couldn't do everything himself and there were plenty of dems in congress during the last 4 years that could have stopped a bailout during Bush's term. 

I'm tired of the blaming game.  There are too many people involved to try and blame everyone and it isn't fair to blame just one person since so many were involved. 

I'm generally a middle of the road kind of person and in saying that.....I just do not feel that this stimulus package will stimulate the economy and I don't believe it will create and sustain jobs either. 

I also wish our current administration would take some time and make an effort to stop all of this offshoring as there are many Americans who would benefit from this as well.

...we have hired them to handle certain management tasks with OUR money. 

We have grown too large to defend the country with just a militia. We have high-rise buildings and can no longer get by with volunteer fire departments.  We need street crews because we have too much roadway, highways and freeways, and no longer can simply neaten up the road that runs past our property.  We produce far too much trash to simply take it out back and burn it (if that were even still legal in some areas.)  Some elements of modern life have grown just to large and complicated to handle on our own.

We have a system of compulsory schooling now that is doing SUCH a great job educating our children.  Kids were far more literate and better educated when the bulk of their learning occurred in the home.  Read anything written by John Taylor Gatto - Weapons of Mass Instruction is his most recent book - about the origins of public education.

I quote here what was in an earlier post:  *If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until the government gives it to you for free.*  What the government dispenses, the government rations.  Do you really want a government bureaucrat in control of whether you get surgery or some diagnostic test your doctor says you need?  Bad enough you have to fight about it with your insurance company now.  You really want to turn this over to the government?  Really?