Perception and spin are so interesting
Posted By: Mythbuster on 2009-04-03
In Reply to: Obama is doing an awesome job!!!! - Just the big bad
The shoe-throwing incident is a perfect example. I saw Bush pretty nimbly dodging the thrown shoe, not ducking or "cowering" as some of the MSM talking heads described it, just whipping his torso to the side briefly, and centering up again with remarkable aplomb.
Wondering what he was supposed to do: Stand still and get smacked? Execute a perfect tai kwon do block? Catch and throw it back? Just askin'.......
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Sigh....spin, spin, spin, you are making me dizzy....
deny, deny, deny. I have said over and over and over again...do you people have a cognitive disability? I don't give a rip about who or when or how many times Clinton had sex or who it was with...the man committed felony perjury! He broke the law. Instead of acknowledging that, saying it was wrong, and that any President who committed a felony should be impeached, you just wanna say well no matter what he did, Bush is worse. You are so totally consumed by hatred for George Bush your value system is skewed. Look...is perjury against the law or isn't it? Should a sitting President who breaks the law not be impeached? If George Bush had dinged an intern, lied about it, and then lied before a grand jury, would you be saying you shouldn't impeach George Bush for committing perjury because he lied about sex?? OF COURSE NOT, you would he asking for his head on a pike!!
So, try to focus...either it is wrong or it isn't. It does not matter what the lie is ABOUT. It is a matter of principle...if you care about principle, and I do.
And another thing, if it WERE Bush who did the same thing Clinton did, I would be calling for HIS impeachment. Because I, unlike you obviously, believe that no MAN, including Bill Clinton is above the law.
Where did you get the figure half a million people? Oh nevermind. I am not supposed to ask you for sources, forgot....my bad.
So, even if it WERE a half million people, if you want to impeach Bush you need to fire Congress because it was THEY who voted to send the troops, not George Bush. He can't vote...helllooo.
Denial, denial, denial. It is so patently obvious...you cannot get past the Bush hatred...cannot see the forest for the trees. Amazing....utterly, completely, amazing. And at the same time...appalling.
That's your perception
the whole was it legal issue is still being hashed out. Again, who has been abused by this? None of Pres. Bush's accusers can seem to find any abuses of innocent American people. Again, you have no idea about intelligence. When you sign onto a public internet or make a phone call using a public phone system you are not guaranteed privacy. Now, if someone was breaking into your house and planting bugs--that's another story.
Again, what's your beef with catching terrorists?
Just my perception, I guess.
I don't have specific reasons, it's just the way I view you guys in general. I guess you just seem to disagree with 99% of posts on this board, so you seem to be polar opposites to all things even remotely liberal. Please feel free to set me straight if I'm wrong. I honestly don't mind at this point. I did get sick of arguing with you over the SCHIP plan and just grew weary of the whole argument, but I really do like a good debate and do learn things through arguing. I don't think I'll have any reason to argue with you on this though, because obviously you would just be describing how you classify yourself, which is obviously completely up to you.
I understand your perception....
it is the same perception I have of liberals...polar opposites to anything remotely conservative. Sooo we do have something in common...lol. I am still trying to figure out what a liberal really is...I asked the question and got so many different answers...but none of the answers I got seemed to fit with the posting that I see here. So color me confused.
I had been a registered Independent for many years...however, this election and this group of candidates was too important to me, so I changed my affiliation to Republican so that I could vote in the primaries. I don't toe the party line and never have.
I do look forward to discussions with you...seriously. But let's call it debate and discussion and not arguing...lol. Put a positive "spin" on it so to speak. ;-)
Have a good evening, kam.. :-)
The problem with your perception...(sm)
of these things is that you don't look for the cause. If you don't know the cause of a situation, it is impossible to fix it.
North Korea is flexing it's muscles right now because they know (along with the rest of the world) that militarily right now we are spread so thin it's ridiculous. Wonder what caused that? And your solution to North Korea would be? Perhaps an invasion--- with what? Are you ready to implement a draft for this purpose? Maybe we should just nuke them? I don't think Russia would be too happy about that, especially when we're getting ready to renew nuke disarmament treaties with them. So what are our options? How about talking to other countries (aka 6-party talks) and getting some backup? That is what's happening in that situation.
Why do you think so many in the Middle East hate us so desparately? Could it be that our foreign policy over there has been absolutely dreadful? Maybe it's because we treat Isreal like a shrine and provide them with the means to terrorize the region, and all we do for other countries in the area is trade out dictators -- the same ones that would treat women like dirt? Keep in mind that we facilitated the rise of Sadaam.
My answer to this is exactly what Obama is doing. Talk to other countries. Work with them instead of trying to rule them. Accept the fact that everyone in the world does not share our ideas of freedom or our perception of how things should be done. This is the kind of thinking that will lead to a more stable Middle East (as well as other volitile regions) because this is the kind of thinking that will change US foreign policy --- something that is long overdue.
BTW, China is right. We are the cause of the economic mess the world is in. They are simply stating facts.
You call a difference in perception a lie?!
What's wrong with you and the others that you are always calling people liars? I mean that is a serious question. You don't know me, I don't know you. I have no preconceived notions about any of you. I just thought things were handled badly, however, to call ME a liar because I perceived something differently....that's kind of disturbing to me. And certainly not a place open to discussion. I'll go back to the Yahoo board I usually post on. I don't recall anyone ever calling anyone a liar on there. It must be this board. LOL.
Spin this one.
Parish President Aaron Broussard breaks down on Meet The Press
The guy who runs this building I’m in, Emergency Management, he’s responsible for everything. His mother was trapped in St. Bernard nursing home and every day she called him and said, “Are you coming, son? Is somebody coming?” and he said, “Yeah, Mama, somebody’s coming to get you.” Somebody’s coming to get you on Tuesday. Somebody’s coming to get you on Wednesday. Somebody’s coming to get you on Thursday. Somebody’s coming to get you on Friday… and she drowned Friday night. She drowned Friday night! [Sobbing] Nobody’s coming to get us. Nobody’s coming to get us. The Secretary has promised. Everybody’s promised. They’ve had press conferences. I’m sick of the press conferences. For god’s sakes, just shut up and send us somebody.
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There wasn't anyone to send. By all accounts this is not a unique story. At another nursing home 30 residents perished for lack of any assistance. How many nursing homes in New Orleans? Patients too ill to move laid in the beds on the roof of Charity Hospital awaiting rescue and had to watch healthy non-essential personnel being evacuated from the roof of Tulane (closely tied to government research agencies) across the street. The chopper left and it didn't come back for them. The doctors at Charity were reduced to giving each other saline IVs to hold off dehydration so they could try to continue to protect their patients while armed drug addicts were shooting the locks below trying to get in to get the drugs they thought were there. How many of those patients or doctors are alive now? Seems like everyone coming out of there has a story like these to tell, about horrible things happening not during the hurricane or first flood but two, three, four, five days later. These aren't just unfortunate and unavoidable consequences of natural disaster.
You can spin it however you want....
And, no, I do not think she is decent. I also do not believe she will ever be First Lady. Her own mouth will put an end to that dream....
it the spin
Of course we all know they are just spinning it like they can. If Clinton had gotten Edwards' endorsement then all their talk would be about how it solidifies them as the candidate for the blue collar worker. Obama gets the endorsement, so not it's just not important anyway. It's like the spin on the WV primary. She makes it out to be this crucial swing state the likes of Ohio when it matters little and has trended Republican the last two presidential elections anyway. Well, what else can she do? If that's all you have to work with I guess you blow it out of proportion (or minimize it in the case of Edwards). That's politics for you.
Spin the spin........
I think I will throw up now. Just think, if all animals were gay! And.........truth be told.........billy goats give themselves BJs....................and there are still billy goats!!!! hahahahahahahaha!!!!!
spin, spin, spin. - sm
You stick it - this is a valid news source.
It's out of their own newspaper. What a load of crock that you know the pubs cheat! Check your facts!!!! Oh wait you do know the facts, you just don't want to admit it because your god is in there.
It's the dems who cheat! Plain and simple. You're like a child that doesn't get your way and you decided to throw a temper tantrum.
In the primaries supporters of Hillary had rigged their voting machines so that she received most of the votes, even when people had voted for Barack, they rigged it so it went for Hillary.
Supporters or Hillary who lived in New York and Pennsylvania came to Connecticut and registered there to vote in their state too.
In the 2000 election they found a huge democratic official with a voting machine in his car and he was creating more votes for AL Gore than thee were people. Even the headline in the newspaper read that more people voted for Al Gore that actually lived in the county.
It has always been the democrats who cheat and then they spin it around to make it look like the big bad republicans are doing it.
spin, spin, spin
Change the subject. Nice try. Maybe you missed a very serious case and the pitiful facts surrounding that sex ring in VT a few months ago. Are you sure you really live there? You've got some real doozies for elected officials there. You should be mighty proud to be the #1 most pedophile-friendly state in the union.
Any reason why you try so hard to avoid that story? The perp was supposedly rehabilitated when he was doing all this disgusting stuff. Of course, there's scum in every state.
I'm glad (a) I don't have kids, and (b) I don't live in VT, where you might be someone "supervising" the playground or something. Wow. Where do they find people with such twisted mindsets, anyway?
Pro-war..what a nice little spin
GT I could almost believe you were Cindy Sheehan yourself. Heck, if I were George Soros, Howard Dean, or Michael Moore I'd snatch up as a publicist, a spokesperson in a heart beat. You've sure got the rhetoric down pat. I'm sure you will take this as a compliment but it's not meant that way.
Please do not spin my thoughts on CSK
I stated in my posts that I admire Mrs. very much. You have a very jaded view of Republicans and conservatives, so having a further conversation with you would not be productive and/or would not change your mind. I'm not trying to anyway but just trying to refute some of the gross misstatements in your posts. From your thoughts you think Repubs are the essence of evil. I think putting every Republican in the evil box implies that you are very polarized. I am not. There are some Democrats that I admire greatly as well as there are some Republicans I think should fall off the face of the Earth and vice versa.
I didn't sit and watch the whole funeral (I have to make a living). I heard Sen. Kennedy was there and spoke. I could be wrong on that one. I know there were some very upbeat and positive moments during the funeral. It definitely wasn't a dire depressing event. I'm only making comments about the politicans. You may think that no one was put off by Carter's comments, but please be assured talk radio is abuzz about the inappropriateness of the comments during Mrs. King's funeral and how classless it was. I'm sure the majority of the audience agreed with Carter. Our present Commander in Chief attended the funeral and to insult him nearly directly was definitely inappropriate and classless to say the least, especially at a funeral.
I think you need to get your facts about the Wellstone funeral straight. The Wellstone funeral turned into a Republican bash-fest by Democrats, so I don't see your point in bringing that up as an example of Republicans desecrating a funeral, because Democrats did that all on their own.
Anyway, I think America sees what is going on. I know that many people don't agree with Bush, but most people don't have the deep seated hate for Bush that you and other liberals seem to share.
This is my last post on the subject here...have a nice evening.
The spin stops right here....sm
So they have all had their panties in a wad for a lie. Is there any new news?
If they can find the right spin they will..sm
But they have to be careful how the approach active duty soldiers you know. Especially since they have spent the last 3 years saying liberals were not supporting the troops.
Talk about spin.....
He is giving you a $5000 tax credit to help you buy the insurance you want that fits your family's needs (McCain). And it is not taxed to you. Go read about it other than listen to what Obama's campaign says. I went to Obama's site, that is where I learned about his plan, not from his opponent, from HIM. Tax the middle class my eye. Obama says even the small businesses will not pay more than they paid under reagan. Under reagan the top rate was 28%. Obama's top is 41%. Helloo?? Laugh all the way to the poorhouse, friend. Buy a case of that snake oil. You may need it.
lol.
OMG! No SPIN on this board?
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What spin - these are my thoughts
There is no spin to ones thoughts and feelings. I'm not sitting here trying to get you to believe one thing or another. I posted about a news story I read and my feelings. That is not spin.
Propaganda - whatever spin they need
We also have socialized K-12 schools and libraries; how is it that big business missed that chance for profit? Never turned me into a Bolshevik. But somehow, if we had free health care, it would corrupt us completely. 
Well...talk about spin.
O may be spending a tad more than Bush in total budget, but he is cutting back 1.4 million on missile defense.....which, IMO, is not a very smart thing to do right now. If Iran, Pakistan, and North Korea have missiles and are sending them up and we show up with a tank....it is like bringing a knife to a gun fight.
O'Reilly: Twisted spin, again.
A quote:
O'REILLY: Massive neglect? Let's take a look at that bit of overstatement. Halfway through President Clinton's tenure in office, the poverty rate was 13.7%. Halfway through President Bush's tenure the rate is 12.7, a full point lower.
[COMMENT According to statistics obtained from the U. S. Census site, when Bill Clinton began his term as President in 1993, the poverty rate was 15.1%. By the time Clinton left office the poverty rate was 11.7%. By 2002, under George Bush the rate began to rise again to 12.1% in 2002, 12.5% in 2003 and 12.7% in 2004.
According to the Christian Science Monitor this most recent increase was unforeseen by analysts who expected the number to drop along with unemployment and may indicate a disturbing trend. While the poverty level for Asians declined and it remained stable for Hispanics and African-Americans, the only group that saw an increase was non-Hispanic white Americans living in the midwest. In other words there are 1.1 million poorer red state residents this year than there were last year.]
O'REILLY: In 1996 the Clinton budget allotted $191 billion for poverty entitlements. That was 12.2% of the budget. ... However, the Bush 2006 budget allots a record-shattering $368 billion for poverty entitlements - 14.6% of the entire budget - a huge increase over Clinton's spending. Did the elite media mention that? Jesse Jackson mention that? Of course they didn't. Because it's much more convenient for Evan Thomas and others to imply that America under President Bush has turned its back on the poor. But it's absolute nonsense. Even in the midst of the war on terror [Note: Did he mean the war of choice in Iraq?], this country is spending a massive amount of money tryin' to help the poor. So why the lie? Because political gain can be made off the suffering of others, that's why. Those who oppose the Bush administration don't care about the truth. They only want to advance their own agenda, so once again the No-Spin zone rides to the rescue.
Hard-working Americans are providing the poor with Medicaid, food stamps, supplemental security income - that's free money - child nutrition programs, welfare payments, child daycare payments, temporary assistance to needy families, foster care, adoption assistance and health insurance for children. But, it will never be enough for the Jesse Jacksons and Howard Deans of the world. Never! If they told you the truth, they'd go out of business.
Now, I fully expect to be attacked by the far-left media for tellin' you all this. I'm sure they'll label me a racist, a shill for Bush, stuff like that. But, I don't care. The dollars don't lie. We are a generous nation. And that is the truth.
COMMENT
Most of the poor in this country WORK, many of them hold down two and three jobs. If you want to read a damning book on this topic, I suggest you get Barbara Ehrenreich's Nickeled and Dimed: On (Not) Getting by in America. Ms. Ehrenreich went underground and worked at minimum wage jobs for a year. She discovered a few unpleasant facts about life on the lower rungs of the economic ladder. Self-satisfied, replete, rich men like Bill O'Reilly sit in their posh offices and scare hard-working Americans into believing that their taxes go to indigent scofflaws who sit at home guzzling beer, smoking pot, eating chips and watching TV. Those of us closer to homelessness know this is not the case.
When he mentioned that SSI (social security supplemental income) is free money, he neglected to say that it is money that goes to disabled Americans or that providing health coverage for children reduces trips to the emergency room!
Sometimes I wonder how many poor people Mr. O'Reilly actually knows or has associated with on a long-term basis? For the past 15 years I've been involved in a local program that offers music scholarship to needy families. In that time I've taught 7 different children from 7 different poverty situations and I came to know the families personally. Most of the adults in the family work really hard. Sometimes the kids worked, too, after school. Some had parents trying to break a drug habit (yes, they held down a job) or schizophrenic parents (who were incapable of working) or an abusive parent (who worked, then took it out on the family), but most were blessed with caring parents who were doing the best to provide for their children against almost impossible odds.
So when I hear guys like O'Reilly spout their simplistic tripe implying that the poor are sucking the lifeblood out of hard-working Americans, I see red.
Also, I don't trust O'Reilly's numbers on entitlement programs simply because he never once used the words inflation-adjusted dollars. If he was simply quoting raw numbers, I'd like to remind him that 15 years ago the dollar went farther. Additionally, he did not indicate through graphics or verbally whether or not there was parity between the two budgets, i.e., was he citing figures that included exactly the same programs in both figures?
Given O'Reilly's dubious track record, one cannot accept his statements without independent verification.
Yeah, loving your spin
MT was answering a POLL, not actively saying she was going back to Iraq. Any idiot could see that except people who have spin reality to suit their liking which goes on here all the time.
The MSM did cover it, but all positive spin. sm
They said the troops were unarmed. No mention of FEMA thwarting relief efforts either.
Here is an article archived on Alex's page about some of it. Of course, since it did not come from Fox News it can't be believable.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mexican_dutch_troops_sent_biloxi.htm
zero still equals zero no matter how you try to spin it
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Of course you will. It's called spin. lol...sheesh.
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Kissinerger Spin Doctor?
Palin, Kissinger Split on Talks with Ahmadinejad
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ABC News' Teddy Davis, Arnab Datta, and Rigel Anderson Report: During an interview with CBS News' Katie Couric which aired Thursday evening, Sarah Palin called Barack Obama "beyond naïve" for wanting to talk "without preconditions" to rogue leaders.
"I think, with Ahmadinejad, personally, he is not one to negotiate with," said Palin, referring to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. "You can't just sit down with him with no preconditions being met."
"Barack Obama is so off base in his proclamation that he would meet with some of these leaders around our world who would seek to destroy America and that, and without preconditions being met," she continued. "That's beyond naïve. And it's beyond bad judgment."
Asked if she considers former Republican Secretary of State Henry Kissinger to be "naïve" for supporting talks without preconditions, Palin said, "I've never heard Henry Kissinger say, 'Yeah, I'll meet with these leaders without preconditions being met.'"
Palin was overlooking that Kissinger (with whom she met earlier this week) has backed negotiating directly with Iran over its nuclear program and other bilateral issues -- a point which Couric reconfirmed at the closer of her interview.
"Incidentally," said Couric, "we confirmed Henry Kissinger's position following our interview, he told us he supports talks if not with Ahmadinejad, than with high-level Iranian officials without preconditions."
When contacted by ABC News about the split in position with Kissinger, the McCain-Palin campaign had no immediate comment.
Wrong - no matter what way you spin it
I make less than 250K a year and my taxes have doubled. Each year I used to either get something back (it was small, maybe a 100 or 200) or break even, and on top of that I used to get a rebate. Now because of the tax INCREASE my taxes are doubled this year.
Why you keep saying $250K is beyond me because even after he said 250, he then said I mean $200, then I mean $175, and then it went to I mean $150. Even Bumbling Biden came out and said it's now $150.
What your spewing is spin. In other words it's a BIG FAT LIE. "He passed the largest middle class tax cut" my foot. That's in the same boat as "voluntary mandatory"
His plan is to make the middle income poor, raise the lower income to be poor/middle income so we're all equal. And he aint touching the wealthy.
Tax cut my butt...One big fat lie and I know because I am now reaping the consequences of his tax INCREASE!!!!!!
Conservative Spin Fail
Cavuto was directly addressing coverage by cable news organizations when he made those quotes, directly comparing Fox News to CNN and MSNBC. (Watch the video clips.)
And, unless they covered it on Married with Children or the X-Files, there was no "Fox" coverage of the Million Man March because the only news broadcasts on Fox at that time were provided by local affiliates from other networks,and that was at the discretion of individual stations. They did not have a national nightly news broadcast.
It's a figure of speech..., not spin. I was always referring only to.
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ADHD. The no bash reply was to your spin
Of course we should compare plans. Your question is a rhetorical innuendo. Your words, not mine. Comparing plans is where it's at.
Think for yourself. Kick the Fox spin to the curb and think people.
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Nice spin there.....but give it a rest.
Nobody in their right mind wants Biden in charge of this country. That doesn't mean that person would want Obama killed if Biden wasn't the VP. So stop putting words in people's posts.
There is no spin, no excuse, no reason. The govt did not do as they were supposed to do.
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Despite your attempt at spin - Afghan and Iraq are 2 different wars.....nm
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There is no Fox spin when we are reading the same news elsehwere - see message
Believe it or not people who listen to Fox news ALSO get their news from other reputable sites (newspapers, CSPAN, local news, etc). Unlike those who will only choose MSNBC (a propaganda station) or CNN (Communist News Network). People who listen to those two stations are so blatantly hateful towards anyone else. MSNBC is the worst. The commentators on that station definitely have an agenda to put fear and paranoia out. They have nothing to back up their claims and they are attacking the other news stations (mainly Fox) because they are losing huge huge sums of money (millions) because more and more people are turning them off and watching the stations that will give them the truth, and let both sides speak without acting like elitists.
Think for yourself? Let me tell you. I've been reading this board for some time wondering why people are writing some of the stuff they do. Well yesterday while the tea parties were going on all over the country I heard MSNBC was not covering it at all. I thought that's pretty stoopid because they are going to lose more viewers if they choose not to cover a major event (which watching all the coverage even my DH said this is bigger than election day was). So I was curious and said surely they wouldn't be that stoopid. Well sure enough, nothing. However, within the first 10 minutes I saw exactly the same thing that posters like you come to the board and do. Trash others for not having the same viewpoints they (or you) do. I could only take 10 minutes of MSNBC. Then had to turn it off. However, throughout the day I kept going back to it thinking surely someone there would have sense to cover any of it. After all over a million people in this country participated. I remember MSNBC covered the million man march. I did keep switching to MSNBC through the day, but still nothing, and I was never disappointed to find the same ol hate spew being reported, and then I remembered why I stopped watching them. However, I did learn that every negative post and bashing of people who are not liberals on this board are an exact replica of what was being said on MSNBC.
The people who watch Fox news and other stations do think for themselves because we are given all the facts (both sides) and we make our own opinions and conclusions. We are not told by Keith Olberman, Chris Matthews, Rachel Maddow, and the others how to think and what to do and how to bash and destroy. People who continue to listen to MSNBC, CNN and other left-wing liberal stations who have nothing but hate for the other side, those are people who cannot think for themselves. You need others to tell you what your opinion should be.
Conservative outright spin and BS, spread on Fox by Gregg Jarrett, for the real whole unbiased story
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgif=/c/2009/101/02/ED151514UE.dtl, there was one slight recession in 1937-1938 because of spectacular growth when it took off, read the rest of the story. Pubs will say anything to rewrite history and try to save face. IMO
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This is interesting. SM
I did hear on the news the person that leaked this story is a former coworker of Roberts named Walter Smith who is somehow associated with "People For the American Way", an anti-Christian hate group. It's my belief that this was meant to turn the Republicans against Roberts. Well, big surprise, it didn't work. They have to be shaking their heads.
Somewhat interesting.
AR, posting in a message line that someone is irrational is not the most innocent of maneuvers, so let's not waste too much time congratulating you on your imaginary moral superiority. I sometimes maneuver that way myself but I don't deceive myself into thinking it was anything but honest hostility and I don't act surprised when people respond in kind. So sorry if there was a misunderstanding just in case there was, I'm always willing to give a benefit of a doubt - once or twice. After that you get what you get.
That said and out of the way, what is it about the rest of Bennett's statement that you believe exonerates the controversial part? I did hear the whole thing and I don't know what you're referring to in that respect.
Yup, will be interesting,
Apparently there is a crucial email somewhere that has gone missing and there are some inconsistencies in the testimony. We'll see. I'm sure they'll try to explain it all away.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9630676/site/newsweek
interesting
From John Stossel's Myths, Lies and Straight Talk (link at bottom)
MYTH #8 — Republicans Shrink the Government
Republicans always trot out the slogan that they oppose big government and want to shrink the federal payroll. President Bush tells us that big government is not the answer.
President Reagan told us, Our government is too big and it spends too much.
But for more than 75 years, no Republican administration has cut the size of government. Since George W. Bush became president, government spending has risen nearly 25 percent.
And the spending increase isn't just tied to the war on terrorism. The Office of Management and Budget says spending at the Environmental Protection Agency is up 12 percent; it's up 14 percent at the Agriculture Department, 30 percent at the Department of the Interior; 64 percent at the Department of Labor, and 70 percent at the Department of Education.
And the pork keeps pouring out. Even the Peanut Festival in Dothan, Ala., got $200,000.
Alabama congressman Terry Everett, a Republican, got them the money. He wouldn't talk to us about it, but the locals said they like getting your money. I think it's a waste of money, but if they're going to waste money, I guess it's better to waste it here than anywhere else, one man told me.
Economist Stephen Moore, a Republican, says, We fought a war against big government and you know what? Big government won.
He noted, You look at what's happened to the government in the 10 years since the Republicans took control of Congress, the government is twice as big.
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123606
Yes, I saw that too, PK. It will be interesting, no?
This is interesting...sm
I heard this a few days ago, but since everyone only pays attention to articles in mainstream papers and TV news, thought I would post it. Could explain why Bush is acting like a brat. The pressure coming from the families, the public, and the truth movements is getting intense.
Apparently, CIA officers are buying legal insurance to cover the cost of their defense should they be indicted by a federal grand jury for their roles in 9/11. They are worried that the results of an internal CIA investigation into some CIA agents’ roles in 9/11 may soon become public and the public outcry would immediately lead to their arrest for murder and conspiracy among other charges.
CIA officers who are charged with something that was done in the line of duty, i.e., for something that is constitutional and legal; are defended by the largest law firm in the world; the U.S. Justice Department. However, for illegal and unconstitutional charges they are on their own. That is why this private legal insurance has suddenly become so attractive to some employees of the CIA; they know that they will not be defended by the Justice Department because what they did was so illegal and reprehensible. That is why they are busy buying private legal insurance. For a well-researched, excellent article found in the mainstream media see the Washington Post for R. Jeffrey Smith’s story titled, “CIA Officers Buy Legal Insurance”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/10/AR2006091001286.html?nav=hcmodule
Interesting
OKay, so based on your analogy.....if someone trespasses on my land with intent to do me harm and I order them off my property and remind them that it is illegal to harm me or to trespass......you imply that I am NOT allowed to mention what the law states and that it is illegal for them to harm me UNLESS I am a law enforcement officer?
Very interesting view of the world you have.
You never stated a time frame for cons ordering liberals off the board, ....you stated it was never done and that suggests an indefinite period of time. Once again, pretty shoddy logic.
Interesting
Guess I shouldn't assume we all learned the same things!! We were always taught that Job was most probably performed as a play and was a teaching piece, not the actual word of G-d.
It is interesting to hear what others have been taught, within the same faith, as well.
interesting that everyone behind him on TV
I don't get that.....why is everyone behind him, around him, in every speech/TV appearance....white? I see nearly no black people around him EVER....this is what I do not understand.
Very interesting!
Isn't disclosure is a beautiful thing? and this could be the beginning of the fall for the Bush administration. Gratifying that people are beginning to speak out about the incompetent Iraqi policy that has been implemented. However, this film seems to be chronical just a few months of 2003 and wonder why that is. The review from the New York Times was also very interesting. I encourage anyone to read it. Doesn't look like it's going to hit too many theaters, so it looks like I will be buying it and loaning it out!
Yep...some of that is very interesting....
I would venture a guess that part of the reason poverty has "gone up" is that social programs run amok are starting to erase the middle class, and those who used to be in the "middle class" are now in the "poverty" class...as entitlements extend higher and higher up the income ladder and the "poverty" threshold right along with it. That is why they quote a lot of ballpark statistics and none of the specifics.
I would also venture a guess that as teen births have gone down, teen abortions have gone up.
I think you hit the nail on the head with the broad overview comment...but what they never tell you is, as Paul Harvey would put it..."the rest of the story."
There are usually mitigating factors that go into any statistic. I am not a big fan of ballpark statistics....as you can see.
:-) Have a great day, piglet!
I did. Very interesting!
This was actually the first debate I watched this year. I wanted to watch the others but just missed them somehow. I will definitely be watching them from now on! I found it so interesting, and it really gave me more hope about our country's future. I just loved hearing so many great ideas for the future of America (from all of the candidates). I have been very discouraged over the last 7 years. Things just keep getting worse and worse and worse. I cannot wait to have a strong, intelligent leader running this country who can help heal our very injured nation!
I was most impressed with Joe Biden, Bill Richardson, Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton. I don't know if Richardson has what it takes, but I loved what he had to say about education being the most important thing (I agree!) and just how he presented himself and his ideas in general. Biden seems to have the experience behind him and a good solid head on his shoulders, and I really appreciated his ability to get right to the point instead of dancing around aimlessly.
Obama may not have had the strongest night (and I was not happy about how he interrupted Hillary!), but he is my favorite candidate, so I am giving him the benefit of the doubt because I know where he stands on the issues more than I know any other candidate. He just needed to be much more quick and direct with some of his answers, but of course, I still think he's the man. :) I do fully expect him to learn from his mistakes and completely wow me at the next debate.
Hillary is a very impressive politician. I really find her to be extremely intelligent, extremely strong, and very likeable in general. She would indeed be an incredibly strong leader for this country. She is a great speaker. Although people keep talking about how she is being attacked, I do agree with a lot of the critism she receives on her voting record and her alliances (best word I could think of) with major corporations. That makes me a bit nervous because to me one of the biggest problems in America is that the corporations are using our politicians like their own personal puppets. However, I am really impressed with her knowledge overall and how she plans to turn this country around, and obviously we would be at least 100 times better off having her in office than Bush and the current sorry excuse for an administration! January of 2009 cannot come soon enough.
That's very interesting (sm)
I am also related to the Bush family and others on that list. I guess it's possible that I am related to Obama as well. I don't know if any of them are/were Muslim, but I am. I love geneaology!
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