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Peggy Joseph - in her words

Posted By: Just me on 2008-11-02
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"I won't have to work"


http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=L6ikOxi9yYk&feature=related


Gee - maybe we should all quit if Obama is just going to give us all a check for doing nothing.




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I took that as Peggy feels the economy is going to

to finally not to worry about how she will put gas in her car and how she will pay her mortage.  I highly doubt Peggy is looking for a free ride.  She's looking for an answer. 


Again, this is all left up to interpretation of how you feel about Peggy's comment.  Typical pubs will bash Peggy because they think they'll have to pay Peggy's mortgage, which is wrong.


There are already programs in place, i.e., welfare, section 8 housing, etc.  Why does the government helping those in need surprise everyone at this point?  I'll tell you why because the republicans have managed to smear Obama's plan and that's all they've got.  The same old plans of Bush is what they have; that's it.  Oh, wait they Governor Palin; yeah she's intelligent enough to fix anything with her overspending and "fixing of the books." 


I don't think the good 'ole USA needs more "fixed books" to suit the suits.  I'm off my soapbox now I guess.


I can't believe how many people on here honestly believe that Barack Obama is going to just let people have free gas and free homes.  That's absurd.     That doesn't grow the economy. 


I would suspect that Peggy Johnson
is in for a RUDE awakening. 
See the article I posted above by Peggy Noonan.

She talks about Bush's out of control spending, and she's no liberal!


Bush cut OIL COMPANY PROFITS?  Yeah... right!  Time of crisis or not, they don't care.  I'm no O'Reilly fan, but O'Reilly publicly challenged the oil companies on his show to just voluntarily take a small reduction in PROFITS during this time.  Ain't gonna happen.


For all the conservative posts on our board, I haven't seen ONE who can explain who is going to PAY for all Bush's spending.  I pity the poor person who is the next President and inherits Bush's huge MESS.  If (hopefully) it's a Democrat, you can bet the necons will be trashing him/her from the git-go, calling him/her atheist, drunk, and whatever other libel they invent between now and then.


I'm working as hard as I can because my daughter and her husband won't be able to afford to heat their home this coming winter.  There is no way I'm going to let my grandchildren, daughter and son-in-law freeze, and I'm going to try to help out as much as I can.


I've read where some of the most radical whacko evangelicals with a direct pipeline (no pun) to God blamed Katrina on lack of morals of people in New Orleans.  In the light of Rita, seems to me that God's actually targeting the people controlling the oil rigs.  Maybe God's warning that if we don't quit coveting and trying to steal oil from the Middle East's Gulf, God's going to send in a really BIG storm to destroy the oil rigs in America's Gulf.  Maybe it's God's way of telling Bush that Bush isn't listening to what God has been telling him, that we need to protect and take care of our own, and stop lying and murdering and killing for his own personal gain and that of his cronies.


Sorry to go off on a tangent here, but I become very angry at the thought of my family freezing this winter (even though they work hard and are/were considered middle class).  Hopefully, I will be able to help so that doesn't happen, but what about all the other families with children out there?  What happened to conservative family values?  They obviously don't exist if a school choose to CLOSE to conserve fuel, and oil companies keep right on churning and collecting huge profits.


Just like you, I truly hope a revolution is churning.  Someone has to start caring about regular, hard-working, underinsured or uninsured people in this country.  These are the people who are the backbone of this country, the people who do the REAL work, while the fat cats (Bush's base) sit back and get fatter and fatter with Bush's blessings!


I took it as Peggy wants a handout and Obama is her savior..nm
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*Whatever It Takes* by Peggy Noonan re: Bush's out of control spending

 


WSJ.com OpinionJournal



Warning: This is a L-O-N-G article, written by a conservative former speech writer for both President Reagan and Bush's daddy. The condensed version for the conservative trolls with admitted limited attention span:  Bush is a very UNconservative BIG SPENDER with no means or concern how all this will be repaid.  In other words, he represents the complete ANTITHESIS (opposite) of conservative values that you all claim to have.  I guess that's what happens when you elect a spoiled, rich kid who was born to privilege and never had to worry about paying for anything.


PEGGY NOONAN


'Whatever It Takes'
Is Bush's big spending a bridge to nowhere?

Thursday, September 22, 2005 12:01 a.m.

George W. Bush, after five years in the presidency, does not intend to get sucker-punched by the Democrats over race and poverty. That was the driving force behind his Katrina speech last week. He is not going to play the part of the cranky accountant--But where's the money going to come from?--while the Democrats, in the middle of a national tragedy, swan around saying Republicans don't care about black people, and They're always tightwads with the poor.


In his Katrina policy the president is telling Democrats, You can't possibly outspend me. Go ahead, try. By the time this is over Dennis Kucinich will be crying uncle, Bernie Sanders will be screaming about pork.

That's what's behind Mr. Bush's huge, comforting and boondogglish plan to spend $200 billion or $100 billion or whatever--whatever it takes--on Katrina's aftermath. And, I suppose, tomorrow's hurricane aftermath.


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George W. Bush is a big spender. He has never vetoed a spending bill. When Congress serves up a big slab of fat, crackling pork, Mr. Bush responds with one big question: Got any barbecue sauce? The great Bush spending spree is about an arguably shrewd but ultimately unhelpful reading of history, domestic politics, Iraq and, I believe, vanity.


This, I believe, is the administration's shrewd if unhelpful reading of history: In a 50-50 nation, people expect and accept high spending. They don't like partisan bickering, there's nothing to gain by arguing around the edges, and arguing around the edges of spending bills is all we get to do anymore. The administration believes there's nothing in it for the Republicans to run around whining about cost. We will spend a lot and the Democrats will spend a lot. But the White House is more competent and will not raise taxes, so they believe Republicans win on this one in the long term.

Domestic politics: The administration believes it is time for the Republican Party to prove to the minority groups of the United States, and to those under stress, that the Republicans are their party, and not the enemy. The Democrats talk a good game, but Republicans deliver, and we know the facts. A lot of American families are broken, single mothers bringing up kids without a father come to see the government as the guy who'll help. It's right to help and we don't lose by helping.

Iraq: Mr. Bush decided long ago--I suspect on Sept. 12, 2001--that he would allow no secondary or tertiary issue to get in the way of the national unity needed to forge the war on terror. So no fighting with Congress over who put the pork in the pan. Cook it, eat it, go on to face the world arm in arm.

As for vanity, the president's aides sometimes seem to see themselves as The New Conservatives, a brave band of brothers who care about the poor, unlike those nasty, crabbed, cheapskate conservatives of an older, less enlightened era.


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Republicans have grown alarmed at federal spending. It has come to a head not only because of Katrina but because of the huge pork-filled highway bill the president signed last month, which comes with its own poster child for bad behavior, the Bridge to Nowhere. The famous bridge in Alaska that costs $223 million and that connects one little place with two penguins and a bear with another little place with two bears and a penguin. The Bridge to Nowhere sounds, to conservative ears, like a metaphor for where endless careless spending leaves you. From the Bridge to the 21st Century to the Bridge to Nowhere: It doesn't feel like progress.


A lot of Bush supporters assumed the president would get serious about spending in his second term. With the highway bill he showed we misread his intentions.

The administration, in answering charges of profligate spending, has taken, interestingly, to slighting old conservative hero Ronald Reagan. This week it was the e-mail of a high White House aide informing us that Ronald Reagan spent tons of money bailing out the banks in the savings-and-loan scandal. This was startling information to Reaganites who remembered it was a fellow named George H.W. Bush who did that. Last month it was the president who blandly seemed to suggest that Reagan cut and ran after the attack on the Marine barracks in Lebanon.

Poor Reagan. If only he'd been strong he could have been a good president.

Before that, Mr. Mehlman was knocking previous generations of Republican leaders who just weren't as progressive as George W. Bush on race relations. I'm sure the administration would think to criticize the leadership of Bill Clinton if they weren't so busy having jolly mind-melds with him on Katrina relief. Mr. Clinton, on the other hand, is using his new closeness with the administration to add an edge of authority to his slams on Bush. That's a pol who knows how to do it.

At any rate, Republican officials start diminishing Ronald Reagan, it is a bad sign about where they are psychologically. In the White House of George H.W. Bush they called the Reagan administration the pre-Bush era. See where it got them.

Sometimes I think the Bush White House needs to be told: It's good to be a revolutionary. But do you guys really need to be opening up endless new fronts? Do you need--metaphor switch--seven or eight big pots boiling on the stove all at the same time? You think the kitchen and the house might get a little too hot that way?

The Republican (as opposed to conservative) default position when faced with criticism of the Bush administration is: But Kerry would have been worse! The Democrats are worse! All too true. The Democrats right now remind me of what the veteran political strategist David Garth told me about politicians. He was a veteran of many campaigns and many campaigners. I asked him if most or many of the politicians he'd worked with had serious and defining political beliefs. David thought for a moment and then said, Most of them started with philosophy. But they wound up with hunger. That's how the Democrats seem to me these days: unorganized people who don't know what they stand for but want to win, because winning's pleasurable and profitable.

But saying The Bush administration is a lot better than having Democrats in there is not an answer to criticism, it's a way to squelch it. Which is another Bridge to Nowhere.


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Mr. Bush started spending after 9/11. Again, anything to avoid a second level fight that distracts from the primary fight, the war on terror. That is, Mr. Bush had his reasons. They were not foolish. At the time they seemed smart. But four years later it is hard for a conservative not to protest. Some big mistakes have been made.


First and foremost Mr. Bush has abandoned all rhetorical ground. He never even speaks of high spending. He doesn't argue against it, and he doesn't make the moral case against it. When forced to spend, Reagan didn't like it, and he said so. He also tried to cut. Mr. Bush seems to like it and doesn't try to cut. He doesn't warn that endless high spending can leave a nation tapped out and future generations hemmed in. In abandoning this ground Bush has abandoned a great deal--including a primary argument of conservatism and a primary reason for voting Republican. And who will fill this rhetorical vacuum? Hillary Clinton. She knows an opening when she sees one, and knows her base won't believe her when she decries waste.

Second, Mr. Bush seems not to be noticing that once government spending reaches a new high level it is very hard to get it down, even a little, ever. So a decision to raise spending now is in effect a decision to raise spending forever.

Third, Mr. Bush seems not to be operating as if he knows the difficulties--the impossibility, really--of spending wisely from the federal level. Here is a secret we all should know: It is really not possible for a big federal government based in Washington to spend completely wisely, constructively and helpfully, and with a sense of personal responsibility. What is possible is to write the check. After that? In New Jersey they took federal Homeland Security funds and bought garbage trucks. FEMA was a hack-stack.

The one time a Homeland Security Department official spoke to me about that crucial new agency's efforts, she talked mostly about a memoir she was writing about a selfless HS official who tries to balance the demands of motherhood against the needs of a great nation. When she finally asked for advice on homeland security, I told her that her department's Web page is nothing but an advertisement for how great the department is, and since some people might actually turn to the site for help if their city is nuked it might be nice to offer survival hints. She took notes and nodded. It alarmed me that they needed to be told the obvious. But it didn't surprise me.

Of the $100 billion that may be spent on New Orleans, let's be serious. We love Louisiana and feel for Louisiana, but we all know what Louisiana is, a very human state with rather particular flaws. As Huey Long once said, Some day Louisiana will have honest government, and they won't like it. We all know this, yes? Louisiana has many traditions, and one is a rich and unvaried culture of corruption. How much of the $100 billion coming its way is going to fall off the table? Half? OK, let's not get carried away. More than half.

Town spending tends to be more effective than county spending. County spending tends--tends--to be more efficacious than state spending. State spending tends to be more constructive than federal spending. This is how life works. The area closest to where the buck came from is most likely to be more careful with the buck. This is part of the reason conservatives are so disturbed by the gushing federal spigot.

Money is power. More money for the federal government and used by the federal government is more power for the federal government. Is this good? Is this what energy in the executive is--Here's a check? Are the philosophical differences between the two major parties coming down, in terms of spending, to Who's your daddy? He's not your daddy, I'm your daddy. Do we want this? Do our kids? Is it safe? Is it, in its own way, a national security issue?


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At a conservative gathering this summer the talk turned to high spending. An intelligent young journalist observed that we shouldn't be surprised at Mr. Bush's spending, he ran from the beginning as a compassionate conservative. The journalist noted that he'd never liked that phrase, that most conservatives he knew had disliked it, and I agreed. But conservatives understood Mr. Bush's thinking: they knew he was trying to signal to those voters who did not assume that conservatism held within it sympathy and regard for human beings, in fact springs from that sympathy and regard.


But conservatives also understood compassionate conservatism to be a form of the philosophy that is serious about the higher effectiveness of faith-based approaches to healing poverty--you spend prudently not to maintain the status quo, and not to avoid criticism, but to actually make things better. It meant an active and engaged interest in poverty and its pathologies. It meant a new way of doing old business.

I never understood compassionate conservatism to mean, and I don't know anyone who understood it to mean, a return to the pork-laden legislation of the 1970s. We did not understand it to mean never vetoing a spending bill. We did not understand it to mean a historic level of spending. We did not understand it to be a step back toward old ways that were bad ways.

I for one feel we need to go back to conservatism 101. We can start with a quote from Gerald Ford, if he isn't too much of a crabbed and reactionary old Republican to quote. He said, A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take away everything you have.

The administration knows that Republicans are becoming alarmed. Its attitude is: We're having some trouble with part of the base but--smile--we can weather that.

Well, they probably can, short term.

Long term, they've had bad history with weather. It can change.


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Here are some questions for conservative and Republicans. In answering them, they will be defining their future party.


If we are going to spend like the romantics and operators of Lyndon Johnson's Great Society;

If we are going to thereby change the very meaning and nature of conservatism;

If we are going to increase spending and the debt every year;

If we are going to become a movement that supports big government and a party whose unspoken motto is Whatever it takes;

If all these things, shouldn't we perhaps at least discuss it? Shouldn't we be talking about it? Shouldn't our senators, congressmen and governors who wish to lead in the future come forward to take a stand?

And shouldn't the Bush administration seriously address these questions, share more of their thinking, assumptions and philosophy?

It is possible that political history will show, in time, that those who worried about spending in 2005 were dinosaurs. If we are, we are. But we shouldn't become extinct without a roar.

Ms. Noonan is a contributing editor of The Wall Street Journal and author of John Paul the Great: Remembering a Spiritual Father, forthcoming in November from Penguin, which you can preorder from the OpinionJournal bookstore. Her column appears Thursdays.

Copyright © 2005 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved.



 


Those types of words are unnecessary and actually ARE racist words. sm
Those types of phrases are offensive and are intended to be offensive. This election should not be about race. If it is about race for you, then you are probably one of the ignorant people using those words. Very rude!!
You're right....words are just words...so are Obama's...
...and don't/won't mean anything to many people, myself included.

He is no MLK.

It is a historic moment, of that I have no doubt. And yes, he has come far.

However, one still needs to have strength of character to back the words up for true meaning, and he is sadly lacking in that area.


Nothing but words hon, and we know how Obama's words
nm
Just a few words
For you to even think something like that shows you have it in your brain.  I would never post some of the derogatory posts you and your friends from the conservative board have posted to me and to others.  Does it bother you that much that I post strong opinions and refuse to be cowed by nasty responses?  I have thick skin and I can roll with the punches.  Seems to me every time I post you and your friends just have to respond, no matter what I post.  By you responding so forcefully shows you are threatened by my ideology and the bigger picture, the liberal/democratic ideology.  Be happy with your beliefs and espouse them but stop attacking people for their beliefs..In other words, chill out..you will do your heart a favor.  This is a free country, my opinions are mine and I will continue to have them.  Nothing you say will change my beliefs..so dont waste your time trying..I also must say, if you want to talk about people sounding like lunatics, re-read some of the conservative posts.  A few profess to never attack or call names, yeah right, there is so much back biting and name calling on that board..but hey, its fair game when you are dealing with politics.  they are all just words, nothing more.  My bigger quest is to help turn this country around to the country I knew and loved through grass roots politics, belonging to the local democratic party and making sure the right ones get in mid year elections and in three years.  This is just a politics board, LOL, nothing that gets my blood pressure elevated, that is for sure..The majority of Americans feel we are headed down the wrong track and our priorities are wrong.  The latest poll shows the people losing faith and trust in Bush and his credibility is going down.  The majority think Iraq was a mistake and worry that attacking Iraq made us less secure and more prone to attacks.  Seems to me my opinions and those of most that post on the liberal board (save for the few conservatives who post here to attack and disrupt) are in the mainstream of American thought, fears and concerns. Now, I would hope the attacks will stop, as I will not respond to them anymore.  If you want to debate, post the debate and Im sure many will join in but no one wants to be part of a board where crazy accusations such as you and yours have been posting about me keep getting posted.
Yes, among other words. NM

These were your words.

Still on this board!!!  Tell me how what you said below is the same as:


As far as Iraq, of course, you twisted that all out of context.  Lurker asked if I would go to Iraq to help rebuild and I said yes, if I could I would, but please don't tell the truth and continue to twist because you are twisted.


Yes, I will join. I was there once, I will go again. No problem at all. NM





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Posted By: MT on 2005-08-24,
In Reply to: Ridiculous...I think not - Lurker


There are no words, only
thoughts and prayers. I am so very sorry.
HER words (yet again):

Yes, I will join. I was there once, I will go again. No problem at all.


Not *would* join.... WILL JOIN.  WILL GO AGAIN.  WILL, WILL, WILL, WILL, WILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Those who believe in telling the truth can easily see the distortion.


The key words are

*announced* and *Bin Laden.*


Clinton announced to AMERICANS that he was specifically targeting Bin Laden.  Remember him?  HE was the guy responsible for 9/11, and HE is the guy that Bush ignored to instead invade Iraq.


Clinton wasn't targeting average Americans who are trying to pay off their J. C. Penney bills, and Clinton never used intimidating tactics towards American citizens.


Bush doesn't know how to do anything BUT use secrets, intimidation and fear tactics.


Words
Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said I would choose to have an abortion, or choose to end life (which to me, are still 2 different things). I said that I believe in choice.
I have two words for you. SM
Walid Shoebat.  I am willing to bet he knows way more than your professor about the Middle East and he doesn't agree with either one of you.
Wow! In her own words no less. I do not want any
.
Two words
There is a word spelled choose and a word spelled chose. They certainly are confused a lot these days.

Choose is present tense and chose is past tense. They are pronounced differently.

I'm not picking on the poster; just making a general observation about a term many people misuse.
what a way with words . . .

guffaw.


 


WOW, you use BIG words, just like O!
I am so happy for you!
In their own words

Shocking Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis


I'd love to know why I should have to bail out anyone.  If my husband and I overextended ourselves and spent like drunken sailors we'd have nobody to blame but ourselves.  So in that same concept we should turn to someone and essentially hand the bill for it over to him/her?


Also, as a Texan, we'll now be on the hook for billions (per the radio) from Ike.  My husband and I don't HAVE a billion here, a billion there.  They throw around million, billion, and trillion like it's petty cash!


In your own words. sm
The middle class disappears...money at the very top, and that's it. The middle class and the lower class become the same. Can you not see that is what has happened already in America?
your words
"and this notion that the democrats ruined everything since they took over - excuse me, we are not supposed to have 1 party in total power, remember that one? when you get all sides represented and respected, you have more freedom." Those are your words. What do you think we will have if Obama wins?? A democrat for president and a democratic congress. That would be one party in power, and that is not a pretty picture at all.
In other words........... sm
everything except his experience.

He was not addressing all the issues you listed in the video. Did you even WATCH it?
Yes, he might have known the words, but
But, you are supposed to repeat the oath given to you,word for word, and this would have been the "wrong" oath, so the justice had to correct himself, so the right oath was administered.
Do the words......(sm)
great depression and new deal ring a bell?  I guess Econ 101 was too much for ya, so let's go back to high school American history. 
In other words....(sm)

there are no facts to support your claim.  You guys just spout out anything...LOL.


In other words....(sm)
They don't want to admit that they get their info from Fox.  They seem to be very anxious to spread all the crap that Fox comes up with, but when they are confronted to show facts they seem to be embarrassed about their source (assuming there is one)......Hmmmm...
So in other words
UAW = good.  Insurance companies = bad?
The key words here are.............. sm
OPPORTUNITY versus REQUIREMENT.

I will use you as an example since you have said that you and your husband were married before a JP.

You have, in your scenario, met the qualifications of being able to have the benefits of marriage in terms of taxes, etc. You have the OPPORTUNITY to be married in a religious ceremoy if you so choose (which will be highly unlikely given that you and your husband are both atheists).

Conversely, my husband and I who were married in a religious ceremony would be REQUIRED to obtain a union in order to have the same benefits that you and your husband hold.

Thank you for the kind words.

I agree with everything you said.


I think that lumping people together and making gross inaccurate generalizations does nothing but prevent any intelligent discourse from occurring, and that's very sad because these issues are very serious.  Our very ability to keep BREATHING may be in jeopardy, particularly if we don't start concentrating on our own safety. Bush  has made Iraq much less safe place to be, and he hasn't done much to make the United States a safe place to be.  If we truly NEED our military someday to protect US in a homeland attack, where will they all be?


What also worries me is that our enemies might consider this a bilateral "religious" war.  They already believe it is, yelling and effecting "Jihad."  But the current focus on one particular brand of Christianity in this country -- not religion in general, but one particular BRAND of Christianity -- makes me wonder if Bush himself doesn't think this is a religious war.  The fact that he might think so is what scares me the most, as history tell us they are the most deadly, bloody wars of all. I personally don't want the U.S. to be known as a "Christian" nation.  One of the things I love the most about this country is the freedom that we're SUPPOSED to have to worship freely, and I will personally oppose anyone who tries to take that away from us.    


It's sad that tolerance and respect aren't in more people's hearts and souls. 


So in other words, God offends you.
/
They were just using one of your favorite words
or do you own the copyright of the word liar?
Your exact words....
(quote)Believe me, If Scarborough is upset with Bush, there's a reason.  He's always supported Bush.(unquote) 
Actions vs words.
Bush cannot recommend a constitutional amendment defining marriage as taking place between a man and a woman without a healthy respect for the Constitution itself. One does not merely walk into Iraq on the basis of a **** piece of paper.  This story is a year and a half old.  The publication who broke this story is about as far left as one can get. If the reputable publications from both sides of the fence felt it was a real story, they would have certainly run with it.  They didn't. That' s my take on it after examining it. 
Yes, they are very fine words..
 written by some very fine minds. Ghandi says much the same. I think I'll stick with the great minds. Cat bites and scratches dangerous ?...sometimes...people who mistreat animals or wish them harm dangerous ?...always. 
Those are really fine words.
However, if the cat is harming human life, and everyone knows how toxic a cat scratch or bite can be, and the owner refuses to maintain her animal, what is the solution?  Maybe a new home. 
Words of this century...sm
Stay the course.
It's hard work.
Liberate the Iraqis.
I'm a patriot (and you're not).

Did I mention *it's hard work, staying the course to liberate the Iraqis because I'm a patriot (and you're not).*

Any ring to those words? Boy, if Peewee were still in the playhouse now.

Anywho, the point is and you said it yourself, Fox is a conservative leaning network. And the liberal guests can debate, you may feel they can't because they are double teamed by the anchor/pundit and the conservative guests.
You know my game? You don't even know your own words.

I responded directly to your post and quoted your own name calling words, but you don't know what I'm talking about?!


The words out of context...sm
Were the words he spoke himself on NBC Nightly News. His words were not altered. They were followed by an opinion with which he does not agree, but that does not make the documentary a LIE.
The words out of context
When you twist someone's words and give an opinion following that cannot be contested by the speaker, fully intending that your opinion be attributed to the speaker as truth...that, my friend, is a lie. And it is not the only lie in that mocumentary. Michael Moore never has had taste (Bowling for Columbine) and he never will. The fact that people buy into his anger and hatred and gloss it over as a documentary still boggles the mind.
I used those words to describe...
supporting the effort in Afghanistan but not supporting the effort in Iraq. Perhaps I should have said abandoned rather than thrown to the dogs. Means the same to me. As to Sheehan, this is the Sheehan family statement:

In response to questions regarding the Cindy Sheehan/Crawford Texas issue: Sheehan Family Statement:

The Sheehan Family lost our beloved Casey in the Iraq War and we have been silently, respectfully grieving. We do not agree with the political motivations and publicity tactics of Cindy Sheehan. She now appears to be promoting her own personal agenda and notoriety at the the expense of her son's good name and reputation. The rest of the Sheehan Family supports the troops, our country, and our President, silently, with prayer and respect.


Interesting words from the OTB

Here are a few paragraphs from a write-up on Outside the Beltway in regards to yesterday's caucus by Joyner. 


So, it’s Morning in America. But, as his co-blogger Andrew Sullivan noted just minutes earlier, it’s a dark day for the Republican Party.



Tonight was in many ways devastating news for the GOP. Twice as many people turned out for the Democrats than the Republicans. Clearly independents prefer the Dems.


Now look at how the caucus-goers defined themselves in the entrance polls. Among the Dems: Very Liberal: 18 percent; Somewhat Liberal: 36 percent; Moderate: 40 percent; Conservative: 6 percent. Now check out the Republicans: Very Conservative: 45 percent; Somewhat Conservative: 43 percent; Moderate: 11 percent; Liberal: 1 percent.


One is a national party; the other is on its way to being an ideological church. The damage Bush and Rove have done - revealed in 2006 - is now inescapable.


Somewhere in between lies the truth.


What it Means for the Parties


The Democrats have three candidates that the base could ultimately rally around, two of whom could well attract strong support from moderates. The third, Hillary Clinton, remains the favorite, I should think, to take the nomination. If any sense of "inevitability" still attached to her prior to last night’s vote, however, it’s now gone. Obama is easily the bigger obstacle in her path.


A Huckabee nomination could conceivably destroy the party. Not only would he be lucky to break 40 percent in the general election against any of the plausible Democratic nominees but many fiscal conservatives and Chamber of Commerce Republicans would bolt. When Ronald Reagan and others mobilized rural Christian conservatives in the 1980s, they never expected that they would take such a prominent role in the party. Gradually, though, they took it over at the grass roots level in much of rural America.


Huckabee’s mobilization of fervent evangelicals, many of whom doubtless had never shown up for a caucus prior to last night, scares the **** out of mainstream Republicans. My strong hunch is that they’ll rally around someone else — probably McCain but possibly Romney or Giuliani — in Michigan and New Hampshire.


What it Means for the Country


Ultimately, I side with Optimistic Sullivan on this one. Democracy is a frustrating thing for elites, who have always feared mob rule. Still, it’s a remarkable thing that a black man with a Muslim name managed to beat out the Establishment-backed wife of a former president in one of the whitest states in the country. Adam Nagourney:



Mr. Obama’s victory in this overwhelmingly white state was a powerful answer to the question of whether America was prepared to vote for a black person for president. What was remarkable was the extent to which race was not a factor in this contest.


That Obama was able to do this partly on the basis of inspiring young people, traditionally one of the weakest voting blocks, is also a positive sign.


The elite disappointment with Huckabee’s easy win is palpable. Iowa’s format allows a fervent few to dominate; that structure isn’t in place in most of the states that follow. Still, the fact that a guy that was off the radar screen of even most political junkies a few months ago can stand next to much more famous and better financed men, state his case to the voters, and earn their support is the very ideal of our system.


We have a presidential, not a parliamentary, system in this country. Whereas the latter rewards political experience and working one’s way through the ranks, the former gives more weight to personality and an ability to connect with the people. There’s still a long, long way to go, though, before we face the prospect of a President Huckabee or President Obama.


Okay....in your own words, then, not the dictionary...
liberal to the core...why? What are your values, your ideas? Yours? You say those old men with old ideas, so out of touch. What are your ideas? What makes you so happy you are a liberal Democrat, and why is Obama not one? Thanks!
I did not put words in your mouth....
if you are pro choice, and if you had to vote on the issue you would vote for it I assume...that means you support abortion. That is the plain and simple fact. There is no law now which states when an abortion has to occur. They can do it any time they get good and ready, beyond three months.

My dear kam, my "religion" does not tell me that a baby has a soul before it is born, my sense of morality and my heart tell me that. And just because you say a baby does not have a soul before it is born, that also does not make it so. If I am going to err, I most certainly would want to err on the side of the child. But that is just me.

Yes, I want state to state decisions to be made. That is what democracy is about. You hawk about choice, choice, choice. Every American should have the right to vote on this question. You want to allow a woman a choice to kill her baby, you don't want to allow me a choice to vote on the matter. Talk about hypocritical. Sheesh.

As you have stated ad nauseam, if a woman wants an abortion, she is going to get one, and I don't think having to travel to another state is going to stop her. Might be a little inconvenient, but I am sure those as liberal pro-choicers could set up buses, etc., to haul those women who want to have their babies killed to wherever they are killing babies.

You say you are not pro abortion...that must mean on some level personally you think it is wrong. That comes from your personal sense of morality, and since you are obviously not a "religious" person it does not come from God (although I do not believe that, but that is neither here nor there and not a discussion for this board). There are many people who are pro life who are not, as you say, "religious." They just believe that killing babies is wrong. The National Right to Life Committee is comprised of many non-"religious" people as well as "religious people." Believe it or not, there are people out there who just believe killing babies is wrong.

As to the SCHIP thing...that has nothing to do with the moral right or wrong of abortion. Why are you so concerned about health care of those children, and not concerned about the millions aborted every year? 98% of which have nothing to do with the health of the mother, rape, or incest? Why not limit abortion to rape, incest, or life of mother in danger? Why use it as a form of birth control? Because that is what 98% of abortions are. And if that is okay with you, so be it. I have a right to be against it, just as you have a right to be for it.

And, by the way, I also have a right to my "religion." Guaranteed by the Constitution of these United States of America. Just like life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...there is no proviso "unless you are an inconvenient fetus, then all bets are off."

Have a nice day.
It's their own words, not yours or mine. nm

Sam, you give closed-minded people way too much of your time!  Oh well.  It's your call.


Not what i said at all...please do not put words in my mouth...
I have to say that now that Obama has said to pull out all the troops immediately would not be the thing to do, I feel slightly better about him in that respect. However, to say he would sit down with Admadinejad without any constraints...that worries me. And also what worries me is that in a nuclear proliferation talk when talking about getting rid of your weapons and Ahmadinejad..or Medvedev says basically "you first," he might actually do it.

Third...nuclear nonproliferation will only work if all sides agree. Russia will never give up its nukes. Ahmadinejad will never give up his nukes, certainly of his own free will he won't. Israel cannot give up their nukes..to do so would be suicide. If we give ours up...suicide. And I don't think Obama gets that. Sorry, I just don't. Not a slam..my opinion. And I have to vote on what I think and feel based on all I know...not what any party tells me I should do.
words from your post
"fear.... apprehension ..... doom ..... I don't know."  I'd say you were someone who would/should vote McCain.  Just using your words, . . no flames.
Consider these words you posted.....
is about. Chances are greater than ever now that Americans are waking up and seeing who is the safest choice for president and vice-president in this election, JM and SP, by far!!! Opposition is struck by horror and fear!

***The GOP convention has also caused a flood of cash to come Obama's way as many lethargic donors focused on the potential horror of a McCain/Palin presidency.***
No one's insinuating anything. In your words,
This rhetoric is hate-filled bigotry at its worst. These lies will do nothing to advance the success of your party. Stupid is too kind. Ignorant would be more accurate.