Palin didn't speak about witchcraft; the pastor

• Ahmadinejad Feted at Obama Fundraiser’s Hotel - Frannie May
  • Interesting and scary info. Unfortunately, too many - people are ignorant of this-or dont care.nm
    • As scary as Sarah Palin & her priests trying to - ward off WITCHCRAFT?
      • Haha...."Caribou Barbie" at her best! - what a joke.
      • I worry about your obsession with witchcraft - reboot
        • And I worry about PALIN's obsession with it! - (If I were Wiccan, I'd be worried, as well....)
          • Proof? Or is that not important to Dems? - reboot
            • Palin didn't speak about witchcraft; the pastor - doing the blessing did.
              • Do you need hooked on phonics? - reboot
                • Boo! Watch out for that shadow! - Might just be a witch.....
                  • Yeah, I thought that was you, Witchipoo. - reboot
                    • L-W. -
      • He was not her "priest..." LOL. Not her pastor either. - sam
        • I realize that. But at that particular moment, they - WERE 'her' priests, weren't they?
          • No, he was not her pastor at the time like wright... - sam
          • Turn about's fair play so... - reboot
            • (Since when does making fun of a laughable candidate - and her wacky religion have anything -
              • Hooked on Phonics packet is on its way to you. - reboot
                • Well see, the problem is, ALL those religiosos - out there spout drivel. O was wise to
                  • O was wise ... wait... wait... I'm rolling in the aisle. - reboot
                    • I guess it would take a 'radical nut-job' to - know one, wouldn't it?
                      • My thoughts exactly! You're voting for him, right? nm - sam
    • Link please sm - Jlj
      • here ya go - Frannie May
    • Astoundingly enough....it looks like they don't care. nm - sam
      • Yeah, and they never seem to try to refute Obama's - scary relationships, guess you cant argue truth.nm
        • "they" know that there are - wickedwicky
          • Exactly what part of the video do you.... - sam

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Of course, we all know the Christian Right will haul out the WMDs to slay the messenger, but for the rest of us, this will be a pretty interesting read.  I have not had a chance to completely view the video, but it will be fascinating to see how the Christian Right can bash this Pentacostal Worldview.  Here's the link.  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html

WEST BEND, Wis. (AP) - Thirty-three pastors in 22 states used their sermons to make pointed recommendations about political candidates today.

The effort was orchestrated by the Arizona-based Alliance Defense Fund.

The conservative legal group plans to send copies of the pastors' sermons to the Internal Revenue Service with hope of setting off a legal fight and abolishing restrictions on church involvement in politics.

Critics call it unnecessary, divisive and unlikely to succeed.

The Reverend Eric Williams of Columbus has organized 55 religious leaders across the nation to file a complaint about the ADF's challenge.

The minister with the liberal United Church of Christ says churches should stand apart from the government.

The founding pastor of a second Colorado church has resigned over gay sex allegations, just weeks after the evangelical community was shaken by the scandal surrounding megachurch leader Ted Haggard.

Haggard, a gay-marriage opponent, admitted to unspecified sexual immorality when he resigned last month as president of the National Association of Evangelicals and pastor of the 14,000-member New Life Church in Colorado Springs. A male prostitute had said he had had sex with Haggard for three years.

On Sunday, Paul Barnes, founding pastor of the 2,100-member Grace Chapel in this Denver suburb, told his evangelical congregation in a videotaped message he had had sexual relations with other men and was stepping down.

Dave Palmer, associate pastor of Grace Chapel, told The Denver Post that Barnes confessed to him after the church received a call last week.

The church board of elders accepted Barnes' resignation on Thursday.

On the videotape, which The Post was allowed to view, Barnes told church members: I have struggled with homosexuality since I was a 5-year-old boy. ... I can't tell you the number of nights I have cried myself to sleep, begging God to take this away.

Barnes, 54, led Grace Chapel for 28 years. He and his wife have two adult children.

Palmer said in a written statement that While we cannot condone what he has done, we continue to support and love Paul.

According to dictionary.com, the meanings of the N-word are “deeply disparaging and are used when the speaker deliberately wishes to cause great offense.”  They go on to say, conversely, “it is sometimes used among African-Americans in a neutral or familiar way.”  Since he whispered the statement behind what he thought was a cold microphone, it is highly unlikely that Rev. Jackson intended to cause great offense and his use of the word probably falls into the latter category of usage. 

For example, the N-word can become much less offensive and even assume neutrality within historical discourse, literature, poetry, cinema theater and the like.  One could further argue that within certain contexts (i.e. rap music, conversations within the black households, neighborhoods and businesses, to name a few) connotations of the word can be construed so as to convey a sense of community…even a brotherhood, of sorts.  Language is fluid, dynamic and vital in its nature, not static or one-dimensional.  Context, message, intent, environment, speaker and audience all impact the ultimate nuance of meaning in all forms of communication. 

I agree with you and take deep offense at the use of the N-word, regardless of who says it.  However, I would like to comment on some of the other points you raised in your post.  A careful read of the actual statement shows that Rev. Jackson did not use this epithet to personally attack Obama.  Rather, he was referring to the black population as a whole.  Granted, his choice of words was extremely poor (at least from a white perspective), but the statement was not meant for public scrutiny.  It was spoken from one black individual to another, much the same was that Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s statements were made from black preacher to black congregation. 

As a white person, I do not believe I can sit in judgment one way or another regarding his choice of words when taken completely out of context, in the same way I am not qualified to criticize the sermons of Rev. Wright.  I would like to think that I am intelligent enough to understand that, having lived in the US as a white person both before and after the civil right eras (1948 to present), I have not experienced life in America the same way black people have.  They are entitled to their own “take” on their own lives.  Who am I to tell them how to “tell it like it is?”

One last point.  I am sure that much flap and bruhah will ensue over this unfortunate news.  However, the very fact that Rev. Sharpton, you, I, the media and countless others will be having this debate over our outrage and dismay is a testament as to just how effective Rev Jackson and other early leaders in the civil rights movement were in defining the key issues, defying status quo of his times, enlisting support for the cause, effectively engaging his opposition in ongoing bipartisan initiatives over nearly 4 decades and producing fruitful, far-reaching and substantial bodies of legislation from which today’s black community continue to reap bountiful benefits and blessings.  They weathered storms of protests, incarceration, series after series of setbacks and reversals, and buckets of bloodshed in their efforts to secure the civil liberties and rights that reach far beyond the black community to encompass other forms of discrimination against women, gays, immigrants and the poor, to name a few…all so casually taken for granted and so easily dismissed in the blink of an eye with one ill-chosen, unfortunate slip of the tongue. 

For those of us whose memories reach further back than the latest round of CNN sound bytes and chat room chatter, we probably would forgive Obama should he decide not to denounce Rev Jackson’s support, nor would we feel driven to force him to abandon his own pastor of 20 years for the sake of our own righteous indignation. 

In Germany they first came for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.

Then they came for me —
and by that time no one was left to speak up.

One might think she doesn't have a voice of her own.  Or one might think other things. 

Nobody told her she doesn't have the right to speak.

That's quite a stretch even for YOU, MT.

out about the incompetency of the supposed "leader" of the free world.  Each episode of ignorance, distortion of facts, and deception needs to be brought into the light and examined repeatedly. It is cumulative.  I brush aside the label of "bush bashing" as another neocon attempt to frame the issue.  I will continue to post as I wish and to refuse to engage in discussion with anyone whose purpose is simply to gain attention, even if negative.  I do feel compassion for those so abused and ignored throughout life that they will take any acknowledgement as life-affirming, but I do not take it upon myself to feed their insatiable desire to be noticed.  I am encouraged by the split in the repub party into small groups of supporters, but the dems have got this pres election in the bag anyway not only due to their fresh, positive approach but the self-destruction of the repubs by their own arrogance and corruption.

I have briefly (mercifully) lived in an fabulous neighborhood consisting of a bunch of old guys who only cared about golf and their wives who had faces stretched back to their spine and stapled.  It was really very boring.  Give me the rich vibrancy of a middle-class neighborhood any day.  Just my opinion!

A lot of new information coming out and guess what!!!! It does not point out, as you and others have said ont his board before, that Bush had anything to do with it.   I am not sure what you hissy fit throwers are gonna do about that.  By the way, I think this post serves as a classic example of what is wrong with the Democratic party of today.  Anti-Americanism in its pure form.  Michael Moore would be so PROUD of you!

If Cindy Sheehan had the right to spew her feelings Army Mom has that right too.  Works both ways as bad as you HATE it...