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Palin's pending pastor disaster. As requested,

Posted By: "Legitimate" links to info on this developin on 2008-09-03
In Reply to: Does this bother you about Palin? - sm.

Thanks to Fox's Rev Wright feeding frenzy/orgy, the media now spotlights SP's religious upbringing. Here are some "legitimate" sources of info on the newest area of inquiry into SP's views, mentors, influences, etc., as we become more acquainted with JM's VP pick. A nutshell description might be politics based on the concept of manifest destiny. Most of these sources have often been cited by right-singers on this site. Keep in mind, these are only the early returns on this inquiry. Stay tuned.

http://www.wasillaag.net/
Due to the avalanche of inquiries, the Wasilla Assembly of God Q&A link has crashed and burned for the time being. Their Official Statement on Sarah Palin is posted here.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/sarah-palins-je.html
Statement from Senior Pastor Ed Kalnins on war, including "I believe that Jesus himself operated from that position of war mode."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09032008/news/nationalnews/church_prayer_for_iraq_war_127206.htm
"Church Prayer for Iraq War." US soldiers battling terrorists in Iraq are "striving to do what's right" and are part of "a task . . . from God," Sarah Palin told worshippers at a conservative Pentecostal church earlier this year.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13098.html
"Jewish voters may be wary of Palin." After growing up in Wasilla Assembly of God, she switched to Wasilla Bible Church. This article deals with their views of Jews and Jews views of them. Visitors to the pulpit: David Brickner, of Jews for Jesus, who according to the Anti-Defamation League is “targeting Jews for conversion with subterfuge and deception,” asserts in essence that it's okay to bulldoze Palestinians. He goes on to say, "…terrorist attacks on Israelis as God's "judgment of unbelief" of Jews who haven't embraced Christianity."

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/election/2008/09/02/palin-said-war-in-iraq-gas-pipeline-are-gods-will/
"Palin said war in Iraq, gas pipeline are God’s will."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/02/by_juliet_eilperin_when_alaska.html
Palin Asks for Prayers That War Be "Task That Is From God"

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/09/palins_past_pastor_bushfoes_he.html Tribunes Washington Bureau
"Palin's Past Pastor: Bush foes Hell-bound"

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/09/meet-sarah-palins-pastor-ed-kalnins.php
"Meet Sarah Palin's Rev. Wright"
On John Kerry supporters: "I'm not going tell you who to vote for, but if you vote for this particular person, I question your salvation. I'm sorry."



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Does Palin have a pastor problem?

Of course, we all know the Christian Right will haul out the WMDs to slay the messenger, but for the rest of us, this will be a pretty interesting read.  I have not had a chance to completely view the video, but it will be fascinating to see how the Christian Right can bash this Pentacostal Worldview.  Here's the link.  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html


 


Palin didn't speak about witchcraft; the pastor
Boo! Scared ya with that scary word, 'witchcraft', huh. The fanatical religious right are scared of their own shadows.
Birth certificate issue still pending

It's good to know this is still pending.


Honor the constitution.


http://texashillblog.blogspot.com/2008/11/scotus-requires-obama-to-show-birth.html


 


States with pending/passed 10th Amendment Sovereignty resolutions. sm
These resolutions are important to prevent the Federal government from usurping State Sovereignty. This is a partial list as other states are jumping on board the last few months. Colorado is one and New Hampshire just failed to get one passed thanks to partisan problems.

To read one of the resolutions, here is a link to one from the state of Arizona:

http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/49leg/1r/bills/hcr2024p.htm

2009: Arkansas - 9th Amendment, 10th Amendment, Funding Issues

2009: Arizona - 9th Amendment, 10th Amendment

1994: California - 10th Amendment

1995/96: Georgia - 10th Amendment

2009: Georgia - 10th Amendment

2009: Kansas - 10th Amendment

[NEW] 2009: Kentucky - 10th Amendment

1997/98: Louisiana - Sovereignty Constitutional Amendment

2009: Michigan - 10th Amendment

2009: Minnesota - 10th Amendment

2009: Missouri - Freedom of Choice Act (Abortion), 10th Amendment

2009: Montana - 9th Amendment, 10th Amendment, 2nd Amendment

2009: New Hampshire - 9th Amendment, 10th Amendment, Federal Reserve, Taxes, Martial Law, 2nd Amendment, Draft/War, Patriot Act, Labor Camps, 1st Amendment

2008: Oklahoma - 10th Amendment, (Other Legislation: No Child Left Behind, Real ID Act)

2009: Oklahoma - 9th Amendment, 10th Amendment, Funding Issues

2009: South Carolina - 9th Amendment, 10 Amendment, Martial Law and Related, 1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment

2009: Tennessee - 10th Amendment

2009: Texas - 9th Amendment, 10th Amendment, Funding Issues

1995: Utah [Number: HJR003, Session: 1995] - 10th Amendment

2009: Utah - Real ID Act

2009: Washington - 10th Amendment
FYI, Obama has requested the
of the bill be removed because it has nothing to do with job creation. And guess what...it has been removed. Do try and keep up.

The alternative to this bill, as much as you will screech about it not being true, is a massive economic depression. I think it should be carefully scrutinized, but in the end, it should be passed with oversight and conditions attached so that it will do what we need it to do.
The monitor specifically requested

you stay on your own board.  Your lack of respect isn't surprising.


The solution is simple.  Go back to your freezer.  Don't let the door hit ya.


The administrator requested there be no bashing on this board and you are most certainly

When we libs bash on your board we get banned.  When you cons bash on our board you get away with it. 


Either way, we were requested by the owner multiple times not to bash on either board.  Yet you continue.  Why?


The rule is that you are requested not to slam on other boards. sm
Conservatives and liberals are welcome to post on each other boards if it is done with respect.
You have been requested REPEATEDLY by the administrator to stay off this board.
....exceedingly simple rules as put forth by the owner of this board.  Please tell me what the problem is.  Is that part of being a conservative Republican? 
Paulson requested Asia and Middle East
And suggested that maybe it was up to them now to have a lower savings rate and a higher consumption rate.

I think he is putting them on notice that any further losses they will have to take and will not be covered by the government. I also think he is putting the US companies on notice that if they are borrowing from Asia and the middle east and issue credit default swaps they will have to cover them from now on.

Actually, this sounds like an "intervention" show where the parent is lecturing the drug dealer to stay away from their kid, the credit addict.
No, I don't think she has a pastor problem...
the pentacostal world view is not Marxist for one thing. I am much more concerned about marxist/socialist GOVERNMENT change than I am about Pentecostals. Black liberation theology is not as much about religion as it is about introducing marxist/socialist change to government.

So, to answer question, I don't think Palin has a pastor problem.
Pastor Manning
 Move over (or moveon?), Rev. Wright & Father Phleger...


http://www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr07-28-08.html
He was not her "priest..." LOL. Not her pastor either.
He was visiting the church and he prayed for her, and if you actually watched the video, there was no mention of witches. His witch hunting if indeed it even existed was in Africa. This man was never her pastor.

This was debunked a long time ago.

Your post sounded somewhat hysterical. You feel better now I hope?
If you go to church, has your pastor done this?

WEST BEND, Wis. (AP) - Thirty-three pastors in 22 states used their sermons to make pointed recommendations about political candidates today.


The effort was orchestrated by the Arizona-based Alliance Defense Fund.


The conservative legal group plans to send copies of the pastors' sermons to the Internal Revenue Service with hope of setting off a legal fight and abolishing restrictions on church involvement in politics.


Critics call it unnecessary, divisive and unlikely to succeed.


The Reverend Eric Williams of Columbus has organized 55 religious leaders across the nation to file a complaint about the ADF's challenge.


The minister with the liberal United Church of Christ says churches should stand apart from the government.


what "obama disaster"
Obama has not even started yet! What could you possibly mean? Fartface is supposed to still be in charge - what a joke.
What "Obama disaster"?
I do keep up with the news, and you didn't answer the question.


....and the beginning of a disaster.
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....and the beginning of a disaster. - nm
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2nd Colorado Pastor Resigns sm

The founding pastor of a second Colorado church has resigned over gay sex allegations, just weeks after the evangelical community was shaken by the scandal surrounding megachurch leader Ted Haggard.


Haggard, a gay-marriage opponent, admitted to unspecified sexual immorality when he resigned last month as president of the National Association of Evangelicals and pastor of the 14,000-member New Life Church in Colorado Springs. A male prostitute had said he had had sex with Haggard for three years.


On Sunday, Paul Barnes, founding pastor of the 2,100-member Grace Chapel in this Denver suburb, told his evangelical congregation in a videotaped message he had had sexual relations with other men and was stepping down.


Dave Palmer, associate pastor of Grace Chapel, told The Denver Post that Barnes confessed to him after the church received a call last week.


The church board of elders accepted Barnes' resignation on Thursday.


On the videotape, which The Post was allowed to view, Barnes told church members: I have struggled with homosexuality since I was a 5-year-old boy. ... I can't tell you the number of nights I have cried myself to sleep, begging God to take this away.


Barnes, 54, led Grace Chapel for 28 years. He and his wife have two adult children.


Palmer said in a written statement that While we cannot condone what he has done, we continue to support and love Paul.


I saw the You Tube video of his pastor. sm
It was the most racist and startlingly disturbing thing I have ever seen.  Kill all the white folks, the blue eyed kids, bury them, dig them up and kill them again.  Oh my goodness. 
I think the controversy around Obama's pastor
will cause some superdelegates to be very wary. In the end I think (and hope) that Clinton will get the nomination.
Lets bash the pastor.

According to dictionary.com, the meanings of the N-word are “deeply disparaging and are used when the speaker deliberately wishes to cause great offense.”  They go on to say, conversely, “it is sometimes used among African-Americans in a neutral or familiar way.”  Since he whispered the statement behind what he thought was a cold microphone, it is highly unlikely that Rev. Jackson intended to cause great offense and his use of the word probably falls into the latter category of usage. 


For example, the N-word can become much less offensive and even assume neutrality within historical discourse, literature, poetry, cinema theater and the like.  One could further argue that within certain contexts (i.e. rap music, conversations within the black households, neighborhoods and businesses, to name a few) connotations of the word can be construed so as to convey a sense of community…even a brotherhood, of sorts.  Language is fluid, dynamic and vital in its nature, not static or one-dimensional.  Context, message, intent, environment, speaker and audience all impact the ultimate nuance of meaning in all forms of communication. 


I agree with you and take deep offense at the use of the N-word, regardless of who says it.  However, I would like to comment on some of the other points you raised in your post.  A careful read of the actual statement shows that Rev. Jackson did not use this epithet to personally attack Obama.  Rather, he was referring to the black population as a whole.  Granted, his choice of words was extremely poor (at least from a white perspective), but the statement was not meant for public scrutiny.  It was spoken from one black individual to another, much the same was that Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s statements were made from black preacher to black congregation. 


As a white person, I do not believe I can sit in judgment one way or another regarding his choice of words when taken completely out of context, in the same way I am not qualified to criticize the sermons of Rev. Wright.  I would like to think that I am intelligent enough to understand that, having lived in the US as a white person both before and after the civil right eras (1948 to present), I have not experienced life in America the same way black people have.  They are entitled to their own “take” on their own lives.  Who am I to tell them how to “tell it like it is?”


One last point.  I am sure that much flap and bruhah will ensue over this unfortunate news.  However, the very fact that Rev. Sharpton, you, I, the media and countless others will be having this debate over our outrage and dismay is a testament as to just how effective Rev Jackson and other early leaders in the civil rights movement were in defining the key issues, defying status quo of his times, enlisting support for the cause, effectively engaging his opposition in ongoing bipartisan initiatives over nearly 4 decades and producing fruitful, far-reaching and substantial bodies of legislation from which today’s black community continue to reap bountiful benefits and blessings.  They weathered storms of protests, incarceration, series after series of setbacks and reversals, and buckets of bloodshed in their efforts to secure the civil liberties and rights that reach far beyond the black community to encompass other forms of discrimination against women, gays, immigrants and the poor, to name a few…all so casually taken for granted and so easily dismissed in the blink of an eye with one ill-chosen, unfortunate slip of the tongue. 


For those of us whose memories reach further back than the latest round of CNN sound bytes and chat room chatter, we probably would forgive Obama should he decide not to denounce Rev Jackson’s support, nor would we feel driven to force him to abandon his own pastor of 20 years for the sake of our own righteous indignation. 


No, he was not her pastor at the time like wright...
was obama's for 20 years. Witches, racists...who's on first?
My pastor gave info
This was not biased, showed side by side the two candidates and their moral issue debates. He did tell us that we could speak to him afterwards on a personal, friendly basis and ask if we wanted to know who he would recommend outside of church. Anybody who reads their Bible knows who any pastor is going to vote for based just on abortion issues, etc.
Delta Disaster: Hang Together.



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DELTA DISASTER:
HANG TOGETHER

By JOHN PODHORETZ

FOR the second time in four years, the United States has been changed utterly by a previously unthinkable event. And just as was the case after 9/11, how this nation responds to the deluge that is sweeping New Orleans away will help define the nature of its character for decades.

Just as Rudy Giuliani said that the death toll from 9/11 would be more than any of us can bear, the same is already true of Katrina. Who can begin to take in the notion that in the United States in the 21st century, a storm could kill in staggering numbers?

At the beginning of the 20th century, something like 8,000 people perished when Galveston, Texas — unprotected from storm swells at the time — was hit by a hurricane. But when Hurricane Andrew leveled the entire town of Homestead, Fla., 13 years ago and became the most financially deadly storm in American history, it took only 15 lives.

Now we're talking about several hundred times that number in the literal swamping of one of the world's great cities.

There can be no doubt that the immediate response will be one of breathtaking generosity — financial, spiritual and personal. That's what we saw in the wake of 9/11, it's what happened after the tsunami in December, and it's what we will begin to see as the next few days pass.

But what we don't yet know is this: Are we going to try to look forward, to figure out how to save New Orleans and prevent another calamity of this sort there and elsewhere? Or are we going to begin finger-pointing, searching for villains among the debris?

Some of that villain-hunting has already begun, in the typically vulgar, unwisely speedy efforts made by overly assured ideologues certain that they can connect a cataclysm to a pet issue — whether it be the American failure to pass the Kyoto global warming treaty or making the claim that spending on the war in Iraq squeezed out the possibility of shoring up the New Orleans levees.

Here we see the stirrings of a spiritual divisiveness taking hold — in the form of a know-nothing populism that sweeps everything in its wake and brings everything into the courtroom.

What happened here was a natural disaster. But there will be the temptation to turn it into a human conspiracy of greed and selfishness on the part of oil companies, concrete companies, politicians, insurers, re-insurers, goonish cops and the like.

If the recriminations become the story of the next months, everybody will simply go to the usual battle stations. The tort reformers will take on the trial lawyers. The global-warming crowd will face off against American business. The politicians will scream at each other, scoff at each other, and try to find some cheap advantage that will turn the tide against one party or the other.

The good that will be done —person by person, donation by donation, community by community — will be in danger of getting swamped by the bitterness and divisiveness that characterizes contemporary elite politics. Rather than finding common ground, there will be ugly partisanship and a cold standoff.

The horror of a flood is literally, very nearly the oldest story in the Book. There have always been times that the water will rise higher than the walls men can build to contain it. The New Orleans system survived the battering of nature for more than 200 years — but it met its match and was overwhelmed by it.

The best we can do is comfort the afflicted, mourn the lost, and try to rebuild. The worst we can do is turn on each other.

So what shall it be? E-mail:

podhoretz@nypost.com




Not even interested in the architects of the 9/11 disaster. sm
They either have more lucrative interests in Iraq or are just bent on ridding it of Saddam or all of the above (too much history there), and we all know good and well there were no jihadist extremist there before America invaded that country, so this so-called War on Terror in Iraq was INVENTED.
What do you mean "what Obama disaster"
Haven't you been keeping up with the news. He doesn't need to take office for all the disasters that are heading our way. Unfortunately this is not going to be taken care of before he gets in the office and if you think things are bad now, just wait.

The Obama disaster? Should be the Obama disasters. There are many more than just one.
...the beginning of a disaster - how true
See I can keep repeating over and over. What does bitter have to do with anything. This will end up being a disastrous 4 years coming up. Look at his ideals, his line up crew of who he is picking. The Clinton administration was a disaster. He's picking all the same people again, hence another disaster.
U. healthcare IS a disaster in other countries.
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Anything to distract us from this current disaster
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Obama was a member of a church whose pastor said...
"God damm* America." Obama went to that church for 20 years.

Palin's husband was a member of the Alaskan Independence party several years ago, and this quote came from the head of the party.

I see absolutely NO difference. If you are going to condemn one, condemn both.
Our pastor was talking just yesterday morning about how
we can't depend on the government to change America.  It is up to the Christians of America to get on our faces before God and ask for mercy for our nation and pray we will, once again, be One Nation Under God.   
Rick Warren? The pastor who prayed
The one who spoke on Larry King Live yesterday about the same sex marriage? Which was probably why the post above brought up Rick Warren. The one who wrote the Purpose Driven Life? The pastor of Saddleback Church who has 22,000 members that attend his church on weekends and a total of 65,000 members on-line? The pastor who has 7,000 volunteers? The pastor who ministers individuals who have HIV/AIDS? I could go on and on. You never heard of him? Must not have seen Obama's inauguration.
financial disaster, war, health care
You decide what is most important to think about. 
SP is a one-woman disaster area, but she'll
when it comes time for McC to start pointing fingers, the way some of the brighter pubs have already been doing.
It'll only be a disaster (I HOPE!) for all the corrupt
it'll also be a 'disaster' for all the unscrupulous companies in the US that send our work to India. That kind of a 'disaster' has been long awaited, and eagerly anticipated.

US MTSO's better start re-thinking their pay scales, because hopefully their 'sacred' cash-cow (India) is about to run out o' milk.
Disowning conservative politics is costly to pastor.sm
This is progress, now only if more would follow.  Link to story below.
Read the racist comments of Obama's pastor...
of his the pastor's hero Louis Farrakhan...and read the creed of Obama's church substituting "white" everywhere you see the word "black" and then we can have a discussion about racism as a way of life, not idle comments on a talk show. People need to wake up and smell the coffee before they put a racist in the White House.
Obama Disagrees With Pastor's *** **** America Sermon
Obama Disagrees With Pastor's 'God Dam*n America' Sermon
Obama on His Pastor: 'I Profoundly Disagree With Some of These Statements'

By BRIAN ROSS and REHAB EL-BURI
March 14, 2008—


Sen. Barack Obama says he "obviously disagrees" with his pastor of 20 years who said black Americans should sing "God Dam*n America" instead of "God Bless America."

Reacting to an ABC News story about the sermons of Rev. Jeremiah Wright of the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, Obama told the Pittsburg Tribune-Review, "I haven't seen the line. This is a pastor who is on the brink of retirement who in the past has made some controversial statements. I profoundly disagree with some of these statements."

But he defended Rev. Wright's overall record, accusing ABC News of "cherry picking" statements of the man with a 40-year career.

"There are times when people say things that are just wrong. But I think it's important to judge me on what I've said in the past and what I believe," he told the paper.

Yeah, I am hoping Obama WONT be a disaster.
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Yeah, I am hoping Obama WONT be a disaster
See I too can keep repeating like you.
Distract from Obama's disaster by bashing Bush
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I wasn't kidding. I don't remember a disaster like Katrina during the Clinton sm
presidency with someone inexperienced at the helm of the fed agency responsible for it, but I will do my research on travelgate.
*Heckuvajob Brownie* starts disaster planning firm
Ex-FEMA Head Starts Disaster Planning Firm




Former FEMA Director Michael Brown, heavily criticized for his agency's slow response to Hurricane Katrina, is starting a disaster preparedness consulting firm to help clients avoid the sort of errors that cost him his job.


If I can help people focus on preparedness, how to be better prepared in their homes and better prepared in their businesses — because that goes straight to the bottom line — then I hope I can help the country in some way, Brown told the Rocky Mountain News for its Thursday editions.


Brown said officials need to take inventory of what's going on in a disaster to be able to answer questions to avoid appearing unaware of how serious a situation is.


In the aftermath of the hurricane, critics complained about Brown's lack of formal emergency management experience and e-mails that later surfaced showed him as out of touch with the extent of the devastation.


The lawyer admits that while he was head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency mistakes were made in the response to Katrina. He also said he had been planning to quit before the hurricane hit.


Hurricane Katrina showed how bad disasters can be, and there's an incredible need for individuals and businesses to understand how important preparedness is, he said.


Brown said companies already have expressed interested in his consulting business, Michael D. Brown LLC. He plans to run it from the Boulder area, where he lived before joining the Bush administration in 2001.


I'm doing a lot of good work with some great clients, Brown said. My wife, children and my grandchild still love me. My parents are still proud of me.












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German anti-Nazi activist, Pastor Martin Niemöller:
In Germany they first came for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.

Then they came for me —
and by that time no one was left to speak up.

Who would be silly enough to consult with him on how to handle a disaster? Nevermind, forget I asked

Sarah Palin fans are as whack as Palin.
Even John McCain's top adviser referred to Sarah Palin as a whack job.
Vote McCain and Palin! -oh and why does Palin
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Palin over Biden any day. Make fun of Palin all you
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U.S. needs allies badly. No money, many enemies and no allies = Disaster
China could bring down the entire country with a stroke of a pen. Russia, Venuzuela and Cuba are buddies. North Korea is provocative and well, then there is an entire continent of terrorists who hate the Americans.

I'd say you need to wake up and face the fact that America is on its back and one more castrophe to cause the fall of a nation. Rome fell in 400 years.

Iraq, Afghanistan, subprime mess, derivatives, tax cuts to rich and deficit spending to trillion all happened over two months ago by the man named George Bush.

Is there a problem with her perception of reality?
Sarah Palin makes Sarah Palin look stupid!
The Democrats did not make Sarah Palin look stupid. Sarah Palin does a fine job of looking stupid without help from anyone. All she has to do is open her mouth!