One that doesn't care if it takes voter fraud to
Posted By: get their guy in office......nm on 2008-10-11
In Reply to: How can a sensible person vote for Obama? - No character, but doesnt matter? sad country.nm
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So voter fraud in ང doesn't count?
Voter fraud of this organization is only the tip of the problem. This is a corrupt organization in so many other ways, it should be very troubling to everyone but because so many of you who want Obama in office regardless of the consequences don't even want to hear the involvements he is in, is the very reason we are on a path of ignorance.
This organization is involved in so much garbage it should be shut down altogether and probably will after the election but as long as Obama is still in the running, no democrat wants to actually go after them for obvious reasons. But even the democrats will go after them when the election is over. Many of them despise this group.
Google voter fraud 2000, voter fraud 2004 and
The pubs have been down this road before.
Voter fraud by democrats ...sm
Being a big problem is a huge myth put forth by repubs. Don't believe Fox News and the like. Just Google it. The extent of the problem has been wildly exaggerated. (I wish I could find the link I had on this because it was nonpartisan, but I didn't save it.)
Now if you want to talk about voter suppression fraud OTOH, the Repubs are experts on that. Here's one article:
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Using the Department of Justice, friendly governors, and its usual propaganda outlets, the GOP has propagated the myth of voter fraud to purge the rolls of non-Republicans.
Read it at:
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=the_republican_war_on_voting
O is not under investigation for voter fraud
First of all, "voter fraud" is a bit hard to prove BEFORE the election. ACORN has been targeted by right-wingers for the past 38 years, since the day of its inception. While I do not condone it, this comes as no surprise that poverty-stricken workers who are paid by the signature and have quotas would turn in falsified statements. Barack Obama did not tell them to do that.
Nobody is swallowing anything, including your deluded ramblings. Those soup kitchen patrons, rock concert audiences and homeless are American voters with much more human dignity than you are able to display. We do not live under a Nazi fascist system. Their votes are equal to yours.
The kind of hatred you hold says a lot about you. You have a flock mentality. Original thought or ideas are beyond our grasp. It takes a lot of energy to harbor that kind of hate. Your life will be cursed until you let that go, and your campaign will be doomed to failure if you give Americans so little credit as to think that anyone in their right mind would want to join you and subscribe to such trash.
By the way, just how is McCain going to fix that pesky economic crisis you are trying so diligently to avoid acknowledging?
Voter fraud does not register with SS# and
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The purpose of investigating voter fraud...sm
It is not to be able to go back and forth, but to get to the core of the problems and solve them. On this board, you will see articles about voter fraud against liberal voters. That's not saying it doesn't happen on both sides, but which do you think WE are concerned about.
Acorn voter fraud in Detroit...
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008809140383
Google ACORN and voter fraud....
they have a political arm who Democrats use to register new Democratic voters. Problem is, they use illegal tactics to do so. Four under indictment in Missouri from 2006; right now Detroit is investigating voter fraud because of fraudulent registrations, all submitted by ACORN.
Obama used to be their lawyer back in Chicago. He trained their operatives during annual conventions. That is a matter of record. He failed to publish $800,000 in donations from them, recently corrected by his campaign.
Explain what you want fixed? The voter fraud
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I am ready to talk voter fraud with a pub
You can cry wolf 'til the cows come home on this, but it's not going to change those poll numbers except maybe in a downward direction. People are fixated on the one topic your candidate refuses to talk about. Your smear campaign is so intense that we all have smear fatigue by now and even if you could dig up any sort of legitimate attack, nobody outside the choir is listening. Don't you get that?
Ruling on Ohio voter fraud.....hmmmmm
http://thurbersthoughts.blogspot.com/2008/10/breaking-federal-court-says-ohio.html
Pubs wrote the book on voter fraud.
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ACORN bribing voter fraud with cigarettes
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Obama campaign launches voter fraud web site
http://larrysinclair-0926.blogspot.com/2008/09/obama-campaign-launches-voter-fraud-web.html
"who cares"? If he is lying/fraud, I care.
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It takes one to 'know' one, doesn't it?
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I do. Leaves the door wide open for blatant health care fraud..
Because she doesn't really care
what we think if it isn't the same thing she thinks.
Bush doesn't care anything
about terrorists. If he did, he'd START by securing our borders to help keep them out. Instead, governors are forced to declare states of emergencies because BUSH DOESN'T CARE.
Instead, we are now dealing with terrorists who are much better at their "trade" now, gratis Bush, who has enabled them to hone their skills in Iraq. I personally think Bin Laden should send Bush a thank you note. Iraq was NOT a terrorist's haven before it was invaded by America. Bush did that.
We are DEFINITELY less safe, and we're losing the respect of the entire world a little more every day, especially with the likes of Pat Robertson and those of his ilk publicly advocating the assassination of a president of another country.
I want our borders sealed so these animals can't get in here. And when they do get in because our president couldn't care less if Americans die, I want them KILLED. I have no sympathy for terrorists, and the fact that some people on this board think if someone is liberal and against this unethical war, they love terrorists. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, and these people apparently believe it. Nobody can debate or reason with skewed thinking like that.
The best we can do on this board is to continue to politely, intelligently debate with and inform each other of issues, ignore the ones who want to do nothing but start trouble, and maybe the respect and intelligence and civility will bore them to tears and they'll go back to ripping wings off of baby birds or whatever fun stuff they do to pass the time.
Doesn't matter whether or not I care.
seems that all those calls are being ignored anyway since we are getting reports about a compromise measure on the stimulus plan that appears bound for passage. Whose got deaf ears now? Huh?
yeah, but could care less really doesn't make sense if you think about it -nm
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It takes so little to make you laugh - in fact, it takes nothing at all. NM
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who could possibly care? War, financial ruin, health care needs.
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Ayers doesn't regret the bombings, doesn't feel like they did enough sm
In a story that appeared in the Times on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, Ayers told a reporter while promoting his memoir "Fugitive Days": "I don't regret setting bombs...I feel we didn't do enough."
Mr. Ayers, now a professor of education in Chicago, was a founder of the Weather Underground, which bombed government buildings in the early 1970s. He was indicted on conspiracy charges that were thrown out for prosecutorial misconduct.
He served with Mr. Obama on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, a charitable organization, and, along with his wife, the former Weather Underground member Bernardine Dohrn, hosted Mr. Obama at his home in 1995 when he was running for state office.
Mr. Obama has called Mr. Ayers "somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old."...so because it was 40 years ago, and Ayers is still proud of what he did, how is it justifiable for a US presidential candidate to now be friends with this man? Unless he has the same view of America.
The Voter
The voter...that is where the shoe leather hits the carpet.
Most OPs know he is a fraud. SM
A statement from the American Indian Movement Grand Governing Council |
© Indian Country Today February 04, 2005. All Rights Reserved |
Posted: February 04, 2005 |
by: Dennis Banks |
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Dennis J. Banks, Ojibwa, and Clyde H. Bellecourt, Ojibwa -- Guest columnists
Ward Churchill was scheduled to speak at Hamilton College in Clinton, N.Y.on Feb. 3. His appearance was canceled by the college after he caused a public furor over his loathsome remarks about the 9/11 tragedy in New York. AIM's Grand Governing Council has been dealing with Churchill's hateful attitude and rip-off of Indian people for years.
The American Indian Movement Grand Governing Council representing the National and International leadership of the American Indian Movement once again is vehemently and emphatically repudiating and condemning the outrageous statements made by academic literary and Indian fraud, Ward Churchill in relationship to the 9/11 tragedy in New York City that claimed thousands of innocent people's lives.
Churchill's statement that these people deserved what happened to them, and calling them ''little Eichmanns,'' comparing them to Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann who implemented Adolf Hitler's plan to exterminate European Jews and others, should be condemned by all.
The sorry part of this is Ward Churchill has fraudulently represented himself as an Indian, and a member of the American Indian Movement, a situation that has lifted him into the position of a lecturer on Indian activism. He has used the American Indian Movement's chapter in Denver to attack the leadership of the official American Indian Movement with his misinformation and propaganda campaigns.
Ward Churchill has been masquerading as an Indian for years behind his dark glasses and beaded headband. He waves around an honorary membership card that at one time was issued to anyone by the Keetoowah Tribe of Oklahoma. Former President Bill Clinton and many others received these cards, but these cards do not qualify the holder a member of any tribe. He has deceitfully and treacherously fooled innocent and naive Indian community members in Denver, Colo., as well as many other people worldwide. Churchill does not represent, nor does he speak on behalf of the American Indian Movement.
New York's Hamilton College Kirklands Project should be aware that in their search for truth and justice, the idea that they have hired a fraud to speak on Indian activism is in itself a betrayal of their goals.
Dennis J. Banks, Ojibwa, is chairman of the Board of the American Indian Movement. Nee Gon Nway Wee Dung, a.k.a., Clyde H. Bellecourt, Ojibwa, is the National executive director of the American Indian Movement. For more information, write to Ministry for Information, P.O. Box 13521, Minneapolis, MN 55414; call (612) 721-3914 ; e-mail aimggc@worldnet.att.net or visit www.aimovement.org. |
Fraud ??
This article doesn't mention fraud of any sort. We will have to see how it plays out.
whatever it takes to get what
you want. Sociopathic, much.
Do you really want to get into campaign fraud?
You really don't want to, because the left has a corner on that market One example is the DNC registering dead people in Detroit. You know, we could tit for tat all day long about these things, but the conspiracy that elections are fixed is just that, a conspiracy.
Your energies would best be served by trying to help the the schizophrenic Democratic party finding a unified vision and an action plan other than dissing the Republicans. It's not our fault you're losing it's yours. The article you posted proves that energies are being wasted on the wrong things. But really, I don't care if you lose just so you do.
It's called fraud
I happened to get a call from the police in Arizona a few months ago. I have always lived in Ohio. It seems someone (several someones actually) had LISTS of people across the country of personal info, account numbers, passwords, email addresses, etc. pretty much everything you need, even machines to make the credit cards and license IDs. Arizona puts the fraudsters away just for having this info without your permission. Apparently they had a large fraud bust out there and they don't waste their time on proving what they did with it. YEA ARIZONA!
Obama voter here sm
Frankly I do not see much good coming from the policies of the last 8 years. An out of sight deficit, home foreclosures, terrible price hikes and job losses, I can;t see the pluses in these. Has Iraq made us safer? My gut tells me no. If there had, in fact been weapons of mass destruction than I would feel differently. I think what has matterd the most protecting the US have been more careful survellience domestically in the form of airline survelliences and the like.
I think Obama has the potential to make some positive changes, domestically and worldwide as well. While there is no guarantee of that I really don't feel that McCain will do to much except to continue more or less to promote the same policies as in the last eight years. We can do better than that. The post 9/11 politics of fear are eating the country alive economically. While there is never a guarantee that another terrorist attack will not occur, as they do every so often world-wide, I think it is foolish to sink your economy and play on the fears of its people on the remote chance that another one 'might occur someday.'
I like the message of hope and change that Obama speaks of, and if elected I hope that he is able to achieve some of his goals.
Joe the P is just another repub FRAUD
just one of many many many and the sheep who won't open their eyes to the mess the repubs have made will never learn
So voter suppression OK by you?
Being one of those that got misdirected and lost 3 hours of my time, I can tell you I didn't appreciate it one bit. Hope they bring charges against the creep.
Can we say voter suppression? (sm)
CNN just reported in Raleigh, NC-- people standing in line for 2 hours, and opps, all the sudden there are no ballots....there they are.....they are wet and will not go through the machine, so just put those to the side and we'll run them later.
Flyers going out saying if you are a dem then voting day is Nov 5.
If you are in college your parents will get taxed if you vote at school.
There seems to be a HUGE list of this kind of stuff. And who benefits from a lower voter turnout? Hmmm.
Voter Suppression is Right!
The Black Panthers were just blocking the doors of a polling site in Philadelphia.
Can't we all just get along? LOL
According to Rush, one voter who was
ex-military and had to push through the 2 of them earlier was told that the "black people were going to win the election."
No, all voter registration were not and still have not
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What is that BACKWARDS VOTER?
hahaha
Voter's remorse....sm
Does anyone know anybody who regrets who they voted for?
My husband was talking to his 25-year-old son the other day on the phone, and they touched upon the election. We know for a fact that he was an Obama supporter in the summer. He has also been in college for over six years, and acts like he's been brainwashed sometimes, by all his college professors.
Be that as it may.....DH asked DS who he voted for. DS hesitated for well over a minute....finally said he voted Libertarian. DH asked him who the Libertarian presidential candidate was, as DH said he didn't remember....DS said it was...Ralph Nader.....(who was Independent, not Libertarian...)
Now, we are fairly certain DS lied to his father about who he voted for. Why he lied, we are not certain about. Could be he just didn't want to admit to his father that he voted for Obama, because quite frankly, all the way through to November, he couldn't even coherently tell us why he supported Obama, just the familiar hope and change line, with no real substance as his usual reply.
Anyhoo.....then I got to thinking, that maybe he really wished he hadn't voted for Obama, but still woudn't tell his father that......still don't know for sure....
Interesting, though, to say the least.......
Every voter should read this.
First, let me say this testimony by a Cal State professor of economics pertaining to the proposed "cap-and-trade" program isn't light reading, but it isn't very long or overly technical, either. It's only a little over 3 pages, double-spaced with generous margins, and takes less than 10 minutes to read, especially since the whole first page is taken up with the economist's credentials and background which you can skip if you wish.
Second, we have to bring a certain mental framework to things like this, which I compare to digging the meat out of a walnut shell. People like this don't typically use the kind of sensational language that we're accustomed to hearing on the news, and they tend to be rather polite and very low-key in the way they say things, especially when they're addressing a Congressional committee.
So nothing here is "bolded" or "underlined" in the way it's expressed, and ordinary reader like ourselves can easily miss the significance of what this economist is trying to tell the committee, which - if you want to cut right to the chase - is that "cap-and-trade" will destroy our economy. Now, the economist uses somewhat less drastic terms but only SLIGHTLY less so, and if you simply think about the consequences of his predictions (which he expects the committee members to do), his meaning is quite clear.
Cap-and-trade is admittedly INTENDED to make energy costs higher, on the theory that higher prices will induce reductions in energy use, hence pollution, etc., etc. While this might sound like a good theory (odd, though, that those who support it are the very same people who laugh at "trickle-down" economics, which is exactly what this is, in reverse), it actually hides new taxes that consumers will ultimately pay for either directly or in the form of higher prices for literally everything because every good and every service includes an energy cost of one sort or another (and that, in turn, will also mean another layer of increased tax because you pay a higher sales tax when the price of anything goes up - a double whammy, in other words). At 8%, something that costs you $10 today = $10.80. If the price goes up to $15, you pay $16.20 - which is not only a 50% increase in the price, but also a 50% tax increase on that item. (It's critical to learn to think in percentages, and also to learn how prices are related to taxes!)
Cap-and-trade may just be the most horrendous idea ever to come down the pike. This economist thinks so, calling it the "most anti-consumer" idea proposed to any Congress in our history. This has nothing whatsoever to do with any political party. It's simply another example of the absolute madness that seems to grip Washington these days - and members of both parties are afflicted with this insanity.
So, as always, here's the link for those who wish to paste it into their browsers, and it's also in the clickable link below. This is a PDF file and I can assure you that there's no virus risk.
http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/robert-michaels-testimony-april-23-2009.pdf
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Let me rephrase that. It doesn't *seem like* my vote doesn't count...sm
It does not count because its in the bag that our 3 electoral votes will go to the republican party.
If this is all it takes to silence you....
your "issues" must not be worth caring about enough to post. How is it okay to silence me...that's fine. But then you complain that I am silencing YOU. Is this glaring double standard somehow escaping you? Are you so unconvinced in your "issues?"
What little ambition it takes....
to follow me around belitting me. Make you feel like big stuff, all empowered and everything? lol.
I thought so. How seriously do you think anybody takes
Your first clue that this "story" just might be a tad suspect would be the fact that it is getting absolutely NO AIR TIME on any respectable media outlet.
We feeble O lovers (that would be the ones with the double-digit lead) have been using computers long enough by now to understand digital doctoring. Let's take a look at a credible source that has actually examined the birth certificate document:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
This is the second time this lawsuit has tried to pass muster, Miss out of the loop. It was discredited TWICE. What part of give up the campaign stunts (they are destroying your candidate's chances) do you not get?
They say it takes one to know one. I think we'd all better do a little praying. n/m
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It takes an interpreter because someone is i
the statement. The are creating a tempest in a teapot.
Takes the cake is right,
as well as the mixer and bowl, the cake pan and oven. You can keep the empty box, however....
All it takes is a hacker
to break those codes, passwords, etc. It happens.
No voter redo for Florida
CBS/AP) Facing strong opposition, Florida Democrats on Monday abandoned plans to hold a do-over presidential primary with a mail-in vote and threw the delegate dispute into the lap of the national party.
While the decision by Florida Democrats left the state's 210 delegates in limbo, Democrats in Michigan moved closer to holding another contest on June 3. Legislative leaders reviewed a measure Monday that would set up a privately funded, state-administered do-over primary, The Associated Press learned.
In Florida, a frustrated Democratic Party chairwoman Karen L. Thurman sent a letter announcing the decision.
"A party-run primary or caucus has been ruled out, and it's simply not possible for the state to hold another election, even if the party were to pay for it," Thurman said. "... This doesn't mean that Democrats are giving up on Florida voters. It means that a solution will have to come from the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee, which is scheduled to meet again in April."
Members of Florida's congressional delegation unanimously opposed the plan, and Barack Obama expressed concern about the security of a mail-in vote organized so quickly. Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign expressed disappointment with Florida's decision.
"Today's announcement brings us no closer to counting the votes of the nearly 1.7 million people who voted in January," Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said. "We hope the Obama campaign shares our belief that Florida's voters must be counted and cannot be disenfranchised."
college educated voter in the
suburb up the road says farmer is an ignorant redneck who does not check facts.
Then maybe that college educated voter......... sm
might like to test that theory by working a season or two in the redneck farmer's fields.
I live in an area where there are a lot of immigrant workers. The truth of the matter is that farmers really cannot afford to pay a wage high enough to be able to afford even a modest apartment, let alone buy food and pay utilities. I live right down the road from a poultry farm which employs a family of Mexican immigrants. The farmer, while making a fairly decent living (at least until Pilgrim's filed bankruptcy) provides a mobile home for the family to live in, pays utilities on said home and also pays the family wages to work on his poultry farm. No doubt this family recieves Medicaid and food stamps as well and the children probably get free lunches at school. It is very hard, if not impossible, to get Americans to work these kinds of jobs. I'm not condoning illegal immigrants, but if legal immigrants will do the job, then why not hire them?
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