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One coal mine survivor...see article

Posted By: Democrat on 2006-01-04
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TALLMANSVILLE, W.Va. - In a stunning and heartbreaking announcement, mining officials told family members early Wednesday that 11 of the 12 trapped coal miners initially thought to have survived a mine explosion had died.


The devastating news came more than three hours after relatives gathered at a nearby church had heard that 12 of the miners survived the disaster. Rescue crews found the first victim earlier Tuesday evening.


“It’s sorrow beyond belief,” Ben Hatfield, chief executive officer of mine owner International Coal Group, said during a news conference.


Gov. Joe Manchin said that, “about the confusion, I can’t tell you of anything more heart-wrenching than I’ve ever gone through in my life. Nothing.”


“I can feel the outrage,” he later told NBC’s “Today” show, referring to the anger from the victims’ families.


Manchin said the state would investigate the cause of the explosion, the miscommunication and the mine’s numerous safety and health violations last year. “We’re going to look into this,” Manchin vowed.


John Bennett, whose father Jim Bennett was one of the victims and had been due to retire in April, complained that his father would “tell me how unsafe the mine is.”


Problems at the mine had been “going on for months ... and they still send men in,” Bennett told “Today,” adding that he felt that if the mine owner had allowed workers to unionize the violations wouldn’t have happened.




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I don't watch survivor -sm
I had never heard that. I don't watch survivor, American Idol or other shows like that. I'm too busy working 16 hours a day to save up because if if Obama wins I'll at least have a little extra money for food cos he's gonna take everything else I have.

The tribe has spoken...give me a break! I'm in the real world here. Not one of la-la land.

72 yrs old and 2-time cancer survivor.
Before you go off, this is NOT wishful thinking, just simple fact. The only thing scarier than a McCain presidency would be a Palin presidency.
Another RICO suit from 911 hero/survivor.sm
William Rodriguez was the last known person out of the North Tower alive, and helped rescue people out of the tower.

Here is his story:
http://www.911forthetruth.com/pages/Rodriguez.htm

Here is the link to the RICO
suit:
http://www.911forthetruth.com/pages/RodriguezComplaint.htm
I like #5. I have heard another survivor trait is the ability to quickly adapt. nm
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Got it. Thanks. BTW, coal is the
only industry left in my county. NAFTA destroyed the garment and shoe industry here. Unless we work at home, we must travel 30-50 miles for a decent job.
Better yet, to all those in coal country or who have
anyone who works in the field, look for the link for the radio interview saying he would bankrupt the coal industry. Hmm, PA, VA, WV, etc, hope you are prepared for long unemployment lines. Just type in obama bankrupt coal, there are many links to the interview.
"Clean coal (sic)" is a lie
I can tell from your hysteria that you know nothing about peak oil.

http://globalhealthreport.blogspot.com/2008/09/al-gore-clean-coal-is-lie.html
the coal country in PA?
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so i'm not doubting there is coal in PA
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Coal Technology

Found this very interesting site on coal technology. It explains a lot about clean oil technology and what's being done. On the right side of the screen is a map of the U.S. If you click on that, then choose a dot on the map, it tells you what research is being done now.


Read some of the articles. Surf the site.


http://www.americaspower.org/News/


The coal fields are already bankrupt
There aren't many going today thanks to the Miner's Safety Board. Small mines are being shut down every day because the MSB thinks anthracite coal is the same as bituminous coal, but they are 2 different mining techniques.Yet, anthracite miners have to follow the regulations of bituminous mining.
Am I getting senile? Did I mention coal? LOL
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Bankrupting the coal industry

I opened my post, and the text was there.  I saw an empty box with the "dead x," so that may have been what didn't go through.


Were you unable to read the text, too?  Try going to OneNewsNow.com (Fred Jackson) - 11/3/2008 7:35:00 AM, and you should be able to open it.  That should be the easiest.


When my grandparents came over from Italy via Ellis Island (& legally, too!), they settled in Monongahela, PA.  My grandfather worked in the coal mine, & they managed to raise 9 kids, all who went on to get doctorates, DDS, etc.  So it can be done (sorry for the memory lane)! 


LMK if you can open it, etc.  Setting family aside, I respect the hard, dangerous work these coal miners do.  The Global Warming (now named Climate Change) goofs are behind this, too.  It's a joke--on us.


 


More food for thought on coal

I just watched the video where he stated he was going to put such high caps and make the coal industries pay mucho dollars and hopefully bankrupt the coal industry. BUT, he also stated he would use dollars they must pay if they want to use coal, for clean energy policies like wind power, etc.


 So, that said, how does he intend to pay for all his other energy technology if he bankrupts the coal industry and businesses that use coal? After all, if he bankrupts the businesses that use coal which, by the way, is most electric power plants, whose pocket will he be dipping into for the money for his clean energy policies???


Talking out of both sides of his mouth again.


I see part of the problem-COAL way down
Since O made the statement about the coal industry, coal, steel, and iron have all dropped.
Information on the coal/power issue...sm
I got this information from someone who is a broker for electricity in our area. She knows how much power is received from various resources and what those resources are and how dependent we are on them as a nation.

Here is my question to her.....

"How much of our electric power is dependent on coal, and how would a cap and trade policy imposing high penalties on coal plants impact the cost of the electric power for the consumer?"

Her answer was.....

"Our portfolio is about 55% coal. The last legislation that was proposed would raise the cost of power by about 20-30%. Which calculates into about a 10-15% increase in the price of our power. Last month Deep East charged .098057 per kilowatt hour. It could go to 11 or 12 cents power kilowatt. If that happens my bill would go from $120 to $138. Of course, that fluctuates depending on the amount of hydro power we get out of three dams and how high natural gas prices are."

I then asked her the following:

"No, this is great, actually. Thanks for the info. I'm trying to understand how Obama's plan, if he goes into office and gets his legislation passed, to place a cap and trade on the coal industry. He had promised that it would bankrupt the coal industry and skyrocket the consumer's electric bill as the power companies would have no choice but pass the cost on to the customers. My next question is, though, if he does this and does manage to bankrupt the coal industry, driving it out of existence, will there be enough alternative resources to support the nation's power requirements or will we all be sitting in the dark?"

Her answer..........

"Should he be able to do this the country would go dark. Our nation relies on about 50-60% coal fired generation for its electricity. Everyone is scrambling NOW to build new generation to cover expected load growth. It takes about 3-4 years to plan, get government approvals and build a power plant. With our nation already being short on power supply this could really put a major kink in things."

Better stock up on batteries NOW!!!!



Baloney, I live in coal country and I should know
Maybe you should look up some statistics from real sources.
Obama Plan Jeopardizes Thousands of Coal Jobs/his words








Obama Plan Jeopardizes Thousands of Coal Jobs



Fred Jackson - OneNewsNow.com - 11/3/2008 7:35:00 AM


The nation's coal industry is in shock today with word that Barack Obama plans to put such severe penalties on coal-fired power plants that it will bankrupt them. A coalition of business leaders says such a move would jeopardize the jobs of hundreds of thousands of people who work in the coal industry.


Senator Obama's plan for putting severe financial penalties on coal-fired power plants has been made public on a YouTube video which contains audio of comments he made in San Francisco in January 2008.


"What I've said is that we would put a cap-and-trade system in place that is as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than anybody else's out there," the Democratic presidential candidate said. "I was the first to call for a hundred-percent auction on the cap-and-trade system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases that was emitted would be charged to the polluter. That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants that are being built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted-down caps that are imposed every year.


"So if somebody wants to build a coal power plant, they can," Obama concluded. "It's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greeenhouse gas that's being emitted."


A press release from the Western Business Roundtable is calling on politicians of all stripes to denounce such a plan, and encouraging voters to hold those politicans accountable for whether they support the coal industry.


Below is the actual audio - click to listen.


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Each brown place in the link takes you to a different article that supports this article...nm
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So does someone's comment at the end of the article, discredit the whole article??
Unbelievable. 
So has mine. nm
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Mine too
I was seriously bummed when he left the race. I really think he could have shaken up the party and turned Washington around. Oh well, guess we'll never know.
so are mine nm
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So were mine
I get aggravated too when people lie or use eloquent words to gloss over the real issue.
Neither are mine
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None of mine
have either.  I usually lurk but I enjoy a good debate and intelligent conversation.
And clearly, neither did mine...
we are still spending money that doesn't exist to try to spend ourselves out of debt. But are you serious that everyone supports the troops? Have you not seen people protesting at military funerals? Or how about the people who stood outside our base with signs that said that all military men are terrorists who only want to murder helpless children. Whether or not you personally know them, there are people who are not behind troops. Take a look at the person who said they die for "no reason." Heaven forbid that my husband does not make it home from Iraq, God help anyone who has the audacity to say to my face that it was for nothing!
Unfortunately, not in mine......
nm
SP said it, too. In the post above mine. :) NM
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and you keep making mine

So if something is amiss in the word you don't try to fix it at all you just hope that it goes away?


Would you rather deal with Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, Hamas before they get nukes or after?  Should we have let Saddam get nukes too?


This whole *Bush was too preoccupied with Iraq to deal with this situation* the Dems are crying is bull. Just like everything else they say in fact.  This situation has been ongoing for years.  The cease fires so touted by Madeline Albright and Clinton have never been true cease fires.  This is a conflict that has been going on ever since there were Jews and Arabs.  This is one situation you cannot historically place the blame on Bush.  Doesn't hold water.  So, if you are so concerned about our President supposedly not knowing history or geographics then I suggest you do some studying of your own, because your history and your perception of it is a little skewed itself.


so was mine, but I guess

the recipient didn't get it . . . .


 


It's their own words, not yours or mine. nm

Sam, you give closed-minded people way too much of your time!  Oh well.  It's your call.


They may be off your radar, not mine...
nm
and I base mine on

available information .... don't just pull them out of my bellybutton.


 


In your world....thank God not in mine. nm
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Mine is nm, stopping using that too.
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I have a friend of mine who has a

few nieces who are biracial and they are absolutely beautiful kids.  I think some of the cutest kids are "oreos."


Your words, not mine.
Got it?
Her message....not mine..(sm)

"If there is an open door in 2012 or four years later, and if it is something that is going to be good for my family, for my state, for my nation, an opportunity for me, then I'll plough through that door," Mrs Palin said.


All indictations, from what I see, are that Palin is going to run for Prez in 2012.  I would guess that this means the pubs are going even farther to the right.


Mine's 148, and I'm just "Joe MT".

and you missed mine...
All I meant was she wasn't judging her on her LOOKS, but I believe how she looks at people. does that make sense? She is a beautiful woman and she does love her family, that is great. But I believe the poster was relating her personality... which some find abrasive and a little rude and "above" others you know? you dont see it that way, but some do. that's all. personally i have no opinion of her i dont know enough.
Your comparison, not mine.
Can't blame him at all for trying to grab a couple of gasps of fresh air after being immersed in the cesspool with the tax cuts for the rich or else monolith.
So did mine - but one wonders when?!
I've dropped all kinds of hints, and finally went upstairs and came back down in my pyjamas and slippers. But they're still sitting there swilling my punch, dropping cake on the carpet and acting like they own the joint.
Did mine. YOUR turn.nm
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That's your notion, not mine
As I said in a previous post, I believe in Jesus's death and resurrection. I just don't believe that belief is all it takes to get into heaven.
That's funny, it's in mine. s/m

But I can understand that it is not in yours since it has more than 3 letters. 


What exactly is your problem?  Why did you think it necessary to make a comment like that?  Tell me, did it make you feel more superior?  Or are you just so pathetic that you cannot even come up with something more grown-up sounding?  Were you the bully or the bullied in school?  Which was it -- something you never grew out of or something (or someone) you're trying to get back at?


contacted mine and...
also Nancy Pelosi. You can email her even if you aren't in her district. There is a place on her web site for anyone to email her. I hope everyone does the same.
I contacted mine too
I hope it does some good. There are just so many of them in lock-step with the big O and they don't want to cross him.

Her words (the missionary's), not mine.
Bush: A Case for Murder and Execution by Vincent Bugliosi, the Los Angeles prosecutor who so far has batted a thousand in murder cases: 21 trials, 21 convictions, including the Charles Manson case in 1971. He laid it all out there. Please do not come back with that tired rant about authors and book sales unless you have read it yourself.

Or maybe she just watched the horror unfold and came to her own conclusions. She and Mr. Bugliosi are not alone in this view/opinion. Despite the absence of mainstream media coverage, this book is enjoying brisk sales.

Like the OP suggested to you: If you come out of your comfort zone you might be surprised by what you find.
Pompous is your forte, not mine.
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Writing mine in because I don't care
Many say that's a "wasted vote," but I think not. It shows both candidates that there are people that don't agree with either one of them! Besides, if I don't like either one, I'm not voting for the "lesser of two evils" because either way, it's still evil in the end, right? I'd rather "waste" a vote on a write-in candidate than have any remorse later for placing a vote I can't stand behind.