Okay, thought you were setting me up - see message
Posted By: Factcheck.org is not a repubitable site on 2009-02-27
In Reply to: I am being totally serious. What would - convince you?
Truthfully this is what I think and please nobody get up and "bash" me for my beliefs.
First you cannot use the forged one posted on Factcheck. Factcheck is an organization backed by the same people who put Obama in place.
Truthfully, this is what would satisfy me...
An independent panel of equal number of republicans and democrats to go to the Hawaii state office and inspect the certificate themselves. The original form that was supposedly submitted to the state office when he was born. It is the long form we fill out at our hospital when a baby is born and it is typed by typewriter. What is on the Factcheck site is a computer generated certificate. It is not the Live Certificate of Birth. And on top of that it is a bad forgery.
So, if an independent panel of say 2 democrats and 2 republicans and a certified document specialist (who has been trained to detect forged documents) was to look at it I would be happy.
I know a lot of people will say "sour grapes", "yawn", "disgruntled", "beating a dead horse" and every other word, but here are my feelings deep down. First, if he truly is legite then that is fine. Good for him., but it's just very odd because while every candidate since who knows when has had to submit proof of birth (not a computer generated certificate that you can create in photoshop), but the actual long form that was typed in a typewriter (there were no computers back then, so seeing a computer generated certificate throws up a red light for me), however while everyone has had to show theirs, Obama did not. Also, Obama had every opportunity available to go to Hawaii, get his original type written Certificate of Love birth and submit it to the state he did not. Time and time again he was asked to submit it and he just always ignored it. The supreme court asked and he ignored them. Now you have to know that if it was John McCain and he ignored/snubbed them the media and everyone would be all over his back. Why is it different for Obama. He knows of the huge contraversy. If that was me I would have marched over to the state retrieved of copy submitted it and I would have shoved it in everyone faces and said - see, here it is I'm legite, now shut up about it and lets move on.
However, the more he ignores, and his supporters try to silence the people trying to get at the truth, the more suspicion it brings up. Why not simply satisfy what everyone wants to know and prove his birth.
Now...with that said I'm not saying I don't believe he is not American born. I don't know because it has not been proven yet. But...there are too many unsettling facts of which I won't even bring up.
But to answer your question, an equal number of both republican and democrat, maybe even an indendent to go to Hawaii and look at the long form that if there is one it would be typed on the typewriter. If a report came out tomorrow and said this was done I'd be happy. And not a party of just democrats or people who Obama promises things to to go look at it. I would then be happy.
But I don't bring up the birth certificate because the democrats have been able to sweep it under the carpet and get away with what they have. Besides there is absolutely nothing at all I can do about it. The only reason I posted was because someone posted that the certificate is on Factcheck when we all know Factcheck is not a reputable source for the truth and what they have up there is a forgery.
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I didn't realize that when my husband and I married it was a "special" right. That's what everyone wants. These are not "special" right. They are just the same rights as everyone else. Do you consider people of color who want the right to go to school with white people "special rights". Rights are rights. It is a human right to want to marry the person you love.
also, quite obvious she is setting herself up for it - nm
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Setting the record straight.
It is not spinning someone else's thoughts to ask them a question about those thoughts. I asked you how you felt about Mrs. King. Spinning is saying something like, you HATE Mrs. King. Courteously, I did not do that. You did however do that to me by assuming I hate Bush. By the way, what posts were those in which you expressed your admiration for Mrs. King? You referred to them but I don't see them here. Maybe you were singing her praises on the Con board? Might be why I missed them, as I don't go there.
Talk radio all abuzz about the impropriety? LOL!! We know what type that is. The story hardly got a slight clip on any of the network news stations - that right there ought to tell you that they were very squeamish about how bad it made Bush look. Had it been anything like a true classless act by Democrats, Rove would have made sure it was network news 24/7 for two weeks.
And what is this about implying that I said Repubs were to blame for ruining Wellstone's funeral? I said no such thing. What Repubs did (in their perpetual terror of ordinary people banding together to express sentiments that uplift the soul and give them hope) was to try to spin the whole thing as a bash fest against themselves and the deceased - much as your favorite radio host is doing now with Mrs. King's memorial events. THAT was the connection and deliberately trying to misunderstand it is lame.
Don't really give a hoot if you admire people of both parties - I think I was pretty clear that I rather admire GBI myself. Anybody taking in the whole scene and using good judgment is going to find traits they admire across the board. Which Dem did you say you really admire? I missed that. Let me guess - Zell Miller? Hahah!
And for the record, I don't hate Bush. I just believe he's an enabler who has no respect either for the working people of this nation or for our founding priciples and therefore has no business being in the White House.
setting the stage for a war with iran
Maybe this will come to nothing, but the NYT reports today (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/20/world/middleeast/20nuke.html?hp) that ''the amount of uranium that Tehran had now amassed — more than a ton — was sufficient, with added purification, to make an atom bomb.''
So here we go again, people nudging us towards war, with the complicity of the Times. We'll pretend that a nuclear weapon is something you can cook up in your kitchen, once you have the requisite number of atoms. We'll pretend that this is The Greatest Threat We Have Ever Known. Even bigger than Saddam, who ended up not having all the WMD the NYT said he did. We've already begun playing around with 2007's National Intelligence Estimate (see LA Times http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-fg-usiran12-2009feb12,0,3478184.story) to make Iran seem more dangerous.
We really just can't leave *anyone* alone, can we?
Bush has record-setting accomplishments!
I saw this at another site and felt it was worth copying for any interested LIBERALS on the LIBERAL BOARD.
George W. Bush:
accomplishments as president
* Attacked a nation that posed no threat to us.
* Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.
* Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.
* Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.
* Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
* First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
* First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.
* First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.
* After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history.
* Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history.
* In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.
*Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in US history.
* Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.
* Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.
* Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.
* Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in US history.
* Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
* Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.
* Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
* Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.
* Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
* My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history.
* Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleeza Rice has an Exxon oil tanker named after her).
* First president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt.
* Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.
* First president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation.
* Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.
* Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history.
* First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission.
* First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board.
* Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.
* Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
* Withdrew from the World Court of Law.
* Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
* First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).
* All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.
* My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).
* Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.
* First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
* First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)
* First US president to establish a secret shadow government.
* Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).
* With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.
* First US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
* First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
* Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
* Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.
* Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.
* Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capital building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.
* In the 18 months following the 911 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.
* Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.
* In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.
* Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
You think people smashing store windows and setting fires is good?
if you codone that then you have serious issues.
I just thought it might be nice to hear an original thought. sm
I guess I was reaching.
Thought this was good so I thought I'd share
Down the drain? Beware of Obama's plan to 'spread the wealth around'
By Betsy Newmark
High School History and Government Teacher/Blogger
If the McCain campaign can’t use this Obama quote to raise doubts about his attitude towards wealth and success, then they deserve the shellacking they seem headed for.
“Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn’t it?” the plumber asked, complaining that he was being taxed “more and more for fulfilling the American dream.”
“It’s not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they’ve got a chance for success too,” Obama responded. “My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody … I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”
Plumbers of the country, unite! Forget about the work and effort you put into building up a business or the scummy work that you do that many of us don’t know or don’t want to do. If you have succeeded, you should be willing to give up more of what you earn to help those who haven’t had the great good luck that you have had to be a successful plumber. Remember how Obama is going to give 95% of all of us a tax cut even though over 30% of the population doesn’t pay taxes?
He might call it a tax credit, but what he’s really doing is his vision of “spreading the wealth around.” It sounds a lot like Huey Long’s 1935 plan to “Share the Wealth.” And when he finds that he can’t tax the top 5% of the population to gain enough wealth to spread to the 95% of the rest of us, do you really think that he’ll stop with that 5%?
Remember…This is the guy who said in the ABC debate during the primary season that his approach to raising tax on capital gains is not based on whether it would provide more revenue but on his idea of what is fair:
GIBSON: All right. You have, however, said you would favor an increase in the capital gains tax. As a matter of fact, you said on CNBC, and I quote, “I certainly would not go above what existed under Bill Clinton,” which was 28 percent. It’s now 15 percent. That’s almost a doubling, if you went to 28 percent.
But actually, Bill Clinton, in 1997, signed legislation that dropped the capital gains tax to 20 percent.
OBAMA: Right.
GIBSON: And George Bush has taken it down to 15 percent.
OBAMA: Right.
GIBSON: And in each instance, when the rate dropped, revenues from the tax increased; the government took in more money. And in the 1980s, when the tax was increased to 28 percent, the revenues went down.
So why raise it at all, especially given the fact that 100 million people in this country own stock and would be affected?
OBAMA: Well, Charlie, what I’ve said is that I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness.
Just what we need in these fragile economic times — a guy who wants to raise taxes because he thinks it’s a matter of “fairness” and time to “spread the wealth around.”
That will be some incentive for other plumbers who want to work hard and build up a successful business.
But don’t worry - according to Joe Biden, it’s the patriotic thing to do.
Haha! I thought I was the only one who thought he looked
I told you what I thought he thought....
and thank you so much for reducing it to "a piece."
That being said, here is link to article from Wall Street Journal about both candidates and outsourcing...Obama is not going to stop it either. He has said on the stump the answer is more highly educated American workers to compete.
It seems to me, and although you may think this is also a "piece," that if you put our corporate tax rates lower, if that corporation is inclined to hire Americans and not outsource then they will do so.
You honestly think the majority of corporations just WANT to outsource and taxes don't matter?
I thought I was alone.
So refreshing to have someone on this board that can actually think for themselves. I have such vivid memories of my dad dressing up in his class A's to go to war, and coming into my room crying at 4:00 a.m. in the morning to say goodbye, not knowing if we would ever see one another again. Thankfully, he did 1 tour in Korea before I was born, two tours in VN, and we lived on an Army base 25 miles from the Berlin wall when I was 6 years old. If there was ever an american girl, it is me and my brother. That "american girl" posting on here all the time, if she had to earn her FFFF freedom she would learn to keep her mouth shut.
Same thought here
It seems like one of first major priorities would be to ensure fair voting practices. I'm very worried about the accuracy of computerized voting and possible tampering.
I thought you were new here?sm
People are somewhat like-minded here, but I see distinct posting styles here. I am a conservative (ex-Republican), but I do not post on their board; their ideology does not reflect my beliefs. I have never once been bashed by liberals, even if they do not agree with me.
Just a thought....
Before too long the number of Iraq War troop deaths will be as high as the ones here on 9/11. And all for what? So sad.
You know what I thought when I saw it?
I thought it was posted by someone from the rabid right, so they could come back and respond to their very own post and blame the liberals because people post things like this. LoL!
I thought he was
putting his money where his mouth is. He has donated a large amount of his personal funds to this project, as well as fundraising efforts A lot of celebs just talk, Brad is actually doing something. Why does he have to live in the 9th ward to help.
I sponsor kids on the Salvation Army Angel Tree. Should I have to live with them to help them?
Gimme a break!
Never thought of it this way
You brought some good thoughts to mind. I definitely agree with you.
I know it's not very PC, but I'm sure the thought has
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Another Thought
If Sara Palin came on the scene as an Independent and ran against McCain & Obama, think how that could've changed things!
As a conservative, I'm thrilled to see someone who knows how to play ball with the big boys. Funny how the feminists want all this equal rights stuff, then shoot this lady down before they really know anything about her.
I wonder how upset Hillary's supporters are over this. Time will tell, not just polls.
It should be interesting what history reveals in the end. Either way, this race will go down in the books as a first. That in itself is interesting.
Okay, that's what I thought lol
Two late nights in a row for me...thank GOD it's Friday! :)
I thought so............
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Just a thought about this.
Since I only heard a snippet of this so far, the governor was trying to have others pay him to appoint them to take the O's senate seat?
If so (and don't bash, I'm asking a very serious question here), could this be how the O came up so quick? He paid for his senate seat?
The gov doesn't look like he thinks he did anything wrong. He's kinda young looking too. Could it be because Illinois has always had corruption like this? Gee, I think I'll go to Illinois and run for senator. LOL
Nobody thought that
Patriotism shouldn't be an issue, because there should be NO question whether a candidate for president is loyal to this country. The fact that there IS a question should scare people a lot more than it apparently does.
Do tell. I thought she did too. nm
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I thought that was odd too
I was trying to figure out the strategy was with that. Maybe it was to convey that McCain thinks Obama is so inferior to him, he can't even bother looking at him? I don't know. They were supposed to be debating each other, and I wanted some more interaction.
I kept waiting for him to look Obama in the eye and say you are wrong. Even Bush looked in Putin's eyes and saw his soul or whatever.
I thought I was the only one who thought
as you do. I've been pulling $ out of my savings every month to pay the bills that my paychecks do not. I work longer and longer hours, for less and less money.
I, too, am 100% against this so-called 'bailout'. WHO, exactly, are they bailing out? I would actually LIKE to see the 'train-wreck'. I WANT to see Wall Street crash and all of the banks fail. I don't have any money in them anyway... it all gets spent on month-to-month survival.
I already know how to get by on next-to-nothing. So it would be just EVER-SO-ENTERTAINING if we could sit back and watch all this high-flyin' corporate con-men lose their shirts and have to learn to live on nothing, as well.
The best thing about allowing things to just take their own course, instead of falsely propping it all up with the crutch of a federal bailout, is that maybe, just MAYBE, if the whole system had to be re-built from the ground up, maybe they might do a better job this time around.
So, fire those locomotives up, and point those suckers right at each other! Train-wreck! YEAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!
okay , that's what I thought, so why --
why does everybody say that Obama wants socialized medicine then? That is not what I read. My take on Obama's plan is that he wants insurance available for everyone but that most people will still be insured through their employers, but the government will have insurance plans for those who do not get it through their employer. That is not socialized medicine to me, that is just providing insurance coverage for people who need it.
Just another thought
You say you want someone with experience. Then the obvious choice is John McCain if you want business as usual, dishonesty, immorality, everything that is wrong with our government. Give me a candidate who is moral, honest and has integrity and that's the candidate I want. THAT could and would change the government that has almost already destroyed America as we know it. Sara Palin's inexperience is absolutely NOT what I have against her. If she had the other qualities, which I don't believe she does, I would vote for her although I think she might consider gettingt busy studying as even I knew the name of the General in Afghanastan. More "experience" in Washington D.C. is exactly what we DO NOT need.
Another thought s/m
While I'm on a housecleaning campaign, the only woman I find more distasteful than Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton is Nancy Pelosi. She had her friends need to GO.
STILL VOTING A WRITE-IN VOTE FOR LOU DOBBS!!!! and T. Boone Pickens.
I thought about it some more and
here's what I think: IF Obama is elected, then look out for the White Supremists, a dispicable group, IMHO, right up there with the KKK. Now........how racist am I? I hate these racist issues no matter what color they come from. We are ALL God's children, yellow, red, black and white, we are precious in his sight. So why can't the Black Power AND the White Supremsts let it go already????? Why can't we be just AMERICANS, not African-Americans, not Vietnamese-Americans, not Irish-Americans, not Chinese-Americans.......just AMERICANS????????????? Can you answer me that? Oh, I know, it's politically correct to say AFRICAN-Americans. Nonsense.
VOTING A WRITE-IN VOTE FOR LOU DOBBS!!!
Just when I thought there could not
possibly be anyone more cartoonish than W. -- and there she is!
Just a thought
I am suspect of everything I hear and most everything I see when it comes to politics. I saw some of these people speaking with the media. If they were bribed, whiy do you suppose they got in front of the TV cameras. Our politicians (notice pleural) are so corrupt I wouldn't put anything past them to try to swing the vote and people like blind sheep just follow along.
just a thought...
what's sad and pathetic is that the press everywhere, not just America, reports what stirs people up. the fact that most Americans are working and struggling to make ends meet and put food on the table, and try their best to do what is right and make choices based on what is best for our country, is not considered newsworthy. So what everyone sees is the few loonies who are not at all representative of the majority of Americans, but isn't it fun watching them on the news! It will be a huge relief when this election is behind us, whatever the outcome.
i never thought of it that way
"They sure go to a lot of trouble to fight against something they don't believe in."
gourdpainter - i definitely will remember this; it applies to many areas of life where one should stop the conflict and just 'be'. is it the painting of gourds that lends itself to such peace and sagacity? if so, i will begin painting them today! your wise observations never fail to enllighten and many times amuse. when i see your tag, i know the post will be worth reading!
I thought it was ee-jot........nm
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no it's not but thought
share their experiences... i did not demand... just asked if anyone is willing to share...
i thought
that meant "see message"... please correct me if i'm wrong.
I thought that for a while but....sm
I still think a lot of bad things about Obama and his aquaintances, however I don't think he is the antichrist. He may be a predecessor or an accomplice? But the thing is this - the US isn't the center of the Universe - the antichrist doesn't have to happen to be OUR president. When the end happens it will be nationwide, not just in the US. Many countries have been suffering unbearably for decades and even centuries. Look at the starving children in Africa and all the suffering all over the world. Certainly I desperately do not want us to suffer as well, but we are not the center of the Universe and just because we may end up suffering doesn't mean that is Armageddon. If so, then I guess these other poor countries have been in Armageddon for a long time. I am sure it is all related to the UN though, and someone is bound to emerge in the not so distant future who is the antichrist, but I don't really think Obama is him.
Just a thought -
I just realized something. If we all keep staying on this board so much, none of us will have to worry about sharing wealth with other people because we will need it to trickle down to us!
Okay...I don't believe I said I thought
that ad was sexist. I said a woman being interviewed on TV who was a democrat and Hillary supporter felt that it was. As a McCain supporter....all I said was I hope more of them found it sexists regardless of what I thought because it would help McCain. LOL!
Just a thought..........
 I think we are all bushed; now, after all this bickering, I, as a democrat, feel like a 'sore winner. ' Yesterday a poster used this term and is accurate.
I suggest that we all take a couple of days a break from the politics board to cool down. I will do this. So long!
Okay, here's a thought for you
Obama wants to eliminate coal. Doesn't even think about clean coal. Why?
My husband would like to know: We have 250 years of coal for heating and power plants. Why abandon the coal industry?
How many people are killed in interstate truck traffic/automobile accidents because people are driving on the interstate at unsafe speeds?
How many people are killed in coal mines every year?
How many people are killed in other industries like steel, airlines, etc.?
How many people are killed in vacation accidents, be it a boat, surfing, fishing, swimming, etc.?
The bottom line is, less people are killed every day in activities they choose to do. Coal has less deaths than any of the above. Yet, coal accidents hit the front pages all the time. A coal mine accident where 1 person dies is too much, yet it's better than the above.
Obama wants to take away the most important resource we have in this country. Coal mining is one of the safest industries we have. If a few people die in mines, what makes it any better than other industries that AREN'T pasted all over the front pages?
He doesn't agreeagree with doing away with coal. Why not hydroelectric? What's wrong with that?
Can anyone explain why coal should not be used at until we find an AFFORDABLE alternate energy for everyone? Solar is not affordable for most people. We have been trying to figure out an alternate source of energy for our own home for the past 3 years. Since we are in the NE, solar would not work for us. Coal Does.
Anyone want to comment?
That very same thought not only...
...crossed my mind, but right now, it's the only thing I have remaining to COUNT ON! 
TY for looking that up. I thought I had
heard considerably more than that about 5 years ago, but maybe some changes and personnel have been made since then. I know I heard the Salvation Army gives 85% or 86% back into helping people and so I have stuck with them, what little I can give. Definitely not a gold Krugerrand!
Thank you - I thought I was alone
All I'm saying is I want to wait for the supreme court to decide. Is that too much to ask? All I want to know is that an INDEPENDENT party. One that is not affiliated or supported by either party to view this document.
You can look at the one that was on his website and can tell that it drips with forgery. Look closely enough and you can even see his sisters name underneath his. However, I do understand that his site took it down and fixed it up some more, but evidently someone who is filing the lawsuit has an original copy of that, so at least not all the evidence was removed.
Take that, along with his grandmother, sisters & brother from Kenya who said they were there), the Kenyan president saying he was born in Kenya. His Indonesian citizenship while he went to school there, and then coming back to America and never filing papers to be an American ciitizen. Just way way too much info doesn't sit right. (P.S. - why in the world would the hospital in Kenya where Obama was born erect a statue of Obama at the Hospital????? The pieces just don't fit right. I want the truth and I want it put out by an independent source. Is that too much to ask. Isn't that what they would want if McCain had gotten in and say there was question of if he was born in another country like Finland or Norway or any other country. And then McCain created a fake bc and put it on his website and got an organization like Swiftboat or Fox news or any other extreme conservative group to say they view it and its legit. You know they'd be screaming to uphold the constitution, so why don't they want the constiution upheld in this case? I just don't understand. In reality, I think Obama has too much power and the issue will never be resolved, but I am hoping to see the truth come out. I'll accept whatever the supreme court decides.
That's what I thought...LOL (sm)
In other words, that was just a *spout out* with no real meaning. ROFL.
I thought so. That's why...
...your posts have been so pleasant to read. Please keep posting.
Hope you have a great weekend, as well. 
I wish others thought the way you do
Most people who voted for O did it for instantaneous change. Most of them think this will happen overnight, as soon as he becomes president, and most will be very disappointed.
They voted for a man who was always upbeat and full of promises. Now that he's been elected, his speeches have changed, and I only hope those who voted for him won't be impatient for the changes he promised or this country will be in worse shape than before.
That's what I thought...(sm)
Republicans on this board are consistently whining about how dems don't want to hear their side. Well, this is a perfect example of why you don't get meaningful dialogue. When faced with a question or asked to explain a point of view you guys just clam up after shooting out some ridiculous one liner that most of the time doesn't even make sense.
That's exactly what I thought...(sm)
Yes, I do know the reasons, which I stated above. I guess you're just ashamed to admit them. And if you want to talk about being childish, how about all that name calling you seem to want to resort to instead of actually discussing an issue?
wow, that took some thought...
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