Okay....so where does it end?

Posted By: Observer on 2007-10-03
In Reply to: Yes, I think ALL kids deserve affordable healthcare. - kam (sm)

if they don't find a way to control costs, where does it end? Those same people who are drowning in medical bills will soon be drowning in taxes to pay for their free health care. I implore you to look at this realistically. The government has no money in and of itself, and if they don't learn to prioritize how they spend entitlment money, they will entitlement all of us into the poorhouse. In short, we cannot do it all forever. How much are you willing to give for it? 50% of your income? 60%? Where does it end? Where? Nothing is "free." You say "free," but it is far from "free."

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Senate passes Children's Health Plan - Great news imo! (see msg) kam
- Backers of vetoed SCHIP bill say it is - misunderstood. (kam) see msg
  - This does not tell the whole story either... - Observer
    - I want to correct myself on the above... - Observer
- So now with my taxed insuring kids -- I can supervise their lifestyle, eating habits, etc. - Patti
  - To me $1000 health insurance premium is a lot - (sm) kam
    - Cheaper plans -- $107 to $220 - Patti
      - Great solution. Skip healthcare for the parents. - kam (sm)
    - So you are saying... - Observer
      - Yes, I think ALL kids deserve affordable healthcare. - kam (sm)
        Okay....so where does it end? - Observer
        It can end with affordable healthcare for kids. - kam (sm)
        You did not answer the question... - Observer
        Yes I did, and I never said I wanted free... - kam (nm)
        It would be wonderful if it was that simple.... - Observer
        Fair enough, but we need a more immediate - solution to a huge problem (sm) kam
  - You hit the nail on the head...YES! - Observer
    - Addendum to above post... - Observer
- I'm sad but not surprised. Bill was vetoed by Bush. - (sm) kam
  - Wow, that is HARSH...... - Observer
    - We will never agree on this issue. - (sm) kam
      - I sleep very well at night, thank you. - Observer
        I don't care how much the parents make per year... - kam (sm)
        Okay, I finally get it... - Observer
        No, you are not even close to getting it. - kam (nm)
        I am not the only one not close to getting it.... - Observer
        Also, do you acknowledge that the Iraq - war costs more than the healthcare would?
        Not thinking logically....you have room to talk.... - Observer
        It common sense - if we can afford one - we can afford the other (kam) nm
        Aha... - Observer
        Scaring them away? What, you can't hold debate with Republicans? - nm
        No, it is just annoying to me to come here - kam (sm)
        Hope you get to read this, as it is far down - DW
        I agree. - kam (see msg)
        With all due respect, and I am sincere in that.... - Observer
        No point in arguing with you though. So your - comments will be ignored by me from now on (kam)
        I got it...your way or the highway, (sm which I don't suppose I care if you read or not) - Observer
        Just an fyi...I am not a Republican. (nm) - Observer
        Same here, but the poster mentioned Republicans so that's why I - made that post. (sm)
        I really don't understand that, either.... - Observer
        You didn't answer MY question. - kam (nm)
        If you are talking to me... - Observer
      - Maybe the tobacco companies have - purchased the President's vote?
        Sigghhhhhhhh.... - Observer
        The cost of S-CHIP for an entire year equals - the amount we spend in Iraq daily. (sm) kam
        You bet the government could come up... - Observer
        So pretty much Jesus would be like, - sorry kids, you got crappy parents-ur on ur own!
        Let me try this one more time...sigh... - Observer
        Average family on S-CHIP makes around 40,000 - - not 80,000 - I believe 80,000 is just New York
        You are correct about the $40K.... - Observer
        This section of this article clarifies the - income issue somewhat (kam) sm
        Correction: The cost to cover Montana kids. - kam (nm)
        Republicans and Democrats worked together on - this bill (kam) sm
        I didn't *demonize* anyone..... - Observer
        You keep saying I don't want affordable health care for children... - Observer
    - Pardon the typo in the post above.... - Observer
- More food for thought. Another - NY Times article (sm) kam
  - I would just like to know - DW
    - SCHIP program - Observer
      - Did Bush actually say he was against this bill - because of illegal immigrants? (sm) kam
        SCHIP and Illegals - Observer
- And pay for it with cigarettes? - Lifelong Democrat
  - How about knocking some of those able-bodied adults on welfare... - Observer
    - It's very difficult to qualify for welfare these days. It is the rich getting - richer and the poor poorer.
      - Not really sure what you mean by difficult... - Observer
    - Yet you are strongly pro-life - don't you care - what happens to the babies? They need healthcare!
      - Yes, I am strongly pro-life... - Observer
        But while you are awaiting the perfect bill - children are suffering (sm)
        They are looking at raising taxes on cigarettes... - Observer
        Sounds like you have compassion for everyone! - nm
        What is not compassionate about that? - Observer
  - I don't think most smoker's will quit just to - save money, so I think it's a great idea but...
    - If the cigarette tax would completely fund... - Observer
      - If we can find money for an expensive war - we can find money for healthcare (sm) kam
        healthcare a problem prior to THIS war and they did - pretty much nothing for just about 4ever...n/m
        I will try this one more time... - Observer
- My big concern is what is attached to that - bill that we don't know about.....nm
  - Where's the concern for the dying US children? - No bill is perfect, but all kids need medical care
    - Sigh....Republicans are not against insuring children... - Observer
      - Agree illegal health care has got to go! - Lifelong Democrat
        illegal health care - MTinIL
- Many Republicans support the bill, but - Bush said in the past he will veto it. (sm)
  - Yes - Easily

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