Okay, no hard feelings. I had to leave for a while but I'm baaaaaack. LOL
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I wasn't sure on that since you posted under my message.
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She apparently had no hard feelings. She supported
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My feelings exactly
unfortunately.
Just my feelings on it
Well, I don't know about any others, but to me that is a lot of money (quadruple what I'm used to making) and I don't feel the program's basic intent was to give financial help to people in that income bracket, the intent was to help the minimum wage earners who would not be able to afford insurance AT ALL even if it were offered through their employers. If they set the cap that high, why bother to have a cap at all?
When I lived in Michigan I believe they had a similar program that was not based on income at all, but based on whether the parents were working or not. It had been noticed that some people felt justified staying on welfare because they couldn't insure their children if they were working at minimum wage, so this was an incentive to get them to work. It was very cheap (like $5 or $10 a month per child); at the time I had insurance through my employer and didn't utilize it, as I assumed it was mainly for minimum wage earners/those whose employers didn't offer any insurance. Another reason I didn't utilize it was I assumed the coverage might be substandard to what I had, and less providers might be available that would take it. Michiganders - correct me if I'm wrong about this program.
My feelings exactly......
These wars go back centuries. The Palistinians have never wanted peace and never will. There are many Palistinians and Israelites that have lived side by side in peace for the most part, until the Palistinian so-called leaders and just those that plain out hate start rearing their ugly heads again. If the Palistinian leaders weren't worried about their people before the bombings, why now? The terrorist leaders have never worried about the hospitals, schools, or anything else for that matter. Their country does live in a very primative existence compared to what it could but the terrorist leaders certainly do not want their people to think for themselves. Heaven forbid!!
If Palestine meant anything to those that "rule them", then they would see that Hamas is obliterated from the face of the earth but they won't and that is why this will continue until God calls us home......Israel and its people are God's chosen. Israel has been patient beyond belief with these people and at some point they have enough. Perhaps Palestians leaders should really put their concern in their own country instead of their putred hate and then change for the better could happen.
I can only tell you what my feelings were this morning...sm
when I saw CP on Meet the Press. We already knew from the lead in that he was going to support one candidate or the other. I respect him so much that I was praying he would endorse Obama but had no real feeling of which way he would go. I listened to what he had to say and felt his pain that he was a republican through and through but just could not endorse McCain. He spoke of their friendship over many years and how much he respected him but could not abide the far right direction and the negative tone that the campaign had taken. He said he is an American first and thinks that Obama is better for America than McCain.
You mirrored my feelings exactly!
I find it amazing that some people on this board who are making such an issue of the Obama birth certificate nonissue on "Constitutional" grounds don't seem to care what Bush has done (and is continuing to do, even in his supposed last days in office) to this country.
I was pretty ambivalent about Bush when he was first (s)elected. Quite frankly, Gore didn't excite me that much, either, and I was disappointed that in a country of a quarter of a billion people (at the time), these were the only TWO people we could find to run for President.
However, when Bush stood in that rubble with that megaphone, I developed huge respect for him and felt as if I was part of HIS America.
It was HIS very own actions that caused that respect to crumble, bit by bit, until I despised him and his "base," the same "base" on Wall Street that continues to rob us all to this very day.
He referred to the Constitution as a (expletive deleted) piece of paper, and his actions have proved his contempt for it. (Isn't it telling that I can't even copy his entire statement here because it's considered too vulgar??!!)
I've never felt such distrust for my government until the last eight years. I voted for Obama and will, like you, continue to trust him UNTIL he gives me a reason not to, and then I will be all over him (like you), but my days of just blanketly assuming my President is on the side of America and Americans are long gone.
I have mixed feelings on this.
I actually see both sides. I don't like the idea of government telling businesses what they can and can't do because that is scary to let the government have so much control. However, if you are getting government money, government should have a say in where that money goes. This is a tough one for me. Like I said, I can see both sides.
I know...the sky is falling....someone actually seeing things from both sides. What are the chances? 
I have mixed feelings about
legalizing marijuana. I think that cancer patients, MS patients, etc. should have the option of using if they so choose. However, I'm afraid that if we legalize it, it will just lead to more of our kids using it because it is more socially acceptable. One of my biggest pet peeves is those people at parks who think that because we are all outside that their cigarette smoke won't bother other people. It is bad enough that non-smokers have to deal with THAT let alone legalizing marijuana and having to deal with people smoking that around us in parks, at ball parks, etc. I seriously would be super ticked off if I saw someone smoking pot at my son's T-ball game whether it is legal or not.
My personal feelings aside,,,
the three branches of government were meant to be equal. It was never intended for the judicial branch to be able to "overrule" the legislative branch or the voters whenever they felt that it was appropriate. It is abuse of what was meant to be a check and balance, but who checks the courts. It would appear that they have worked themselves into the final say and that is really unfortunate.
mixed feelings
I also have mixed feelings on the subject of alcohol. I am not in support of restricting this free choice at all, but what I would really like to see is more enforcement and stiffer penalties for drunken driving. Too many of these jerks have 5, 6, 7 and more drunk driving offenses, and keep on driving. Having lost my beautiful 32-year-old sister-in-law, mother of 3 and pregnant with her 4th baby, to a drunk driver with 3 prior offenses, His penalty was 10 years in jail, but he was out in a lot less. My SIL's husband is without a mate for life and her children are without a mother, too young at the time to really even remember her much. Our entire family has suffered a huge loss because of the misuse of alcohol. I get just nuts when I hear of some other drunk with multiple offenses continuing to drive - legally - and see some bartender who doesn't cut people off and get them a cab when it is obvious they have had way too much.
Again, Carla I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings
and I know this had to be a horrendous Christmas...
However, I just don't share your views about this administration. I don't think trying to increase this country's intelligence and making the CIA and FBI better networking departments a controversial issue. When asked the question what American has the Patriot Act violated the dems are strangely quiet. They just continue to insist that Bush has done something wrong by increasing the intelligence level through wiretaps that every other American president was okayed to do.
I just don't understand congressmen and women standing up there having a hissy over Bush wire taps knowing, KNOWING, that the 4th plane on 9/11 was bound for an in session capital building. To me the Dems are BLINDED by partisan politcs. It frankly borders on sociopathic..
Bush has done nothing to to hurt Americans but only to protect them. Frankly, I'm glad he's got the guts to do what it takes to keep America safe. I don't know what *9/11 perps* you are talking about, but I don't think anyone has gone free. I really don't know why in the heck you care about terrorists rotting in jail in the first place. They are not American citizens and have none of the rights an American has. If the military was allowed to do what it was supposed to do and try them they would be dispensed with, but throwing them in the American legal system only condemed them to the piss poor, liberally manged American judicial system---who would much rather have a T.V. celebrity trial with all the trimmings than actually get down to work to putting some of the psychos and thugs behind bars or better yet....executing some the slime who prey on children and the innocent.
While I will never convince you to support this president you need to see things for what they really are. What is going to take for some of you to see that the president is not the problem but terrorism and partisan politics is? I guess it may take a much broader hit than 9/11. I pray it doesn't happen, but if you and the dems don't wake up and smell the coffee I'm afraid I could happen again.
of course I didn't share my feelings with my son, but thank you. nm
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You guys have the most dainty little feelings. sm
How DO you live in this world? My goodness! Ann Counter is HARDLY at the helm of the Republican party. In fact, there are a lot on the right who don't like her either. Can you guys talk about anything but hurt feelings?
I looked at it....and I understand the feelings...
however, you know where I stand. I stand on the sides of the soldiers who said *yes, it is our right to do that, that does not mean we have to exercise it* and *I myself would not have done that.* I do not blame any of those soldiers for appearing, other than I believe, whether intentions are good or not, that they worsened their situation by emboldening the enemy. I see that that was not a question that was asked. If those soldiers had to answer that question truthfully, a whole different debate might be out there.
Again, I support their right to do whatever they think is best; I do not support their timing. The problem is that others also have to live with the consequences of their actions. We all have a lot of rights to do a lot of things...we simply choose where and when to exercise those rights...using discretion...and considering how our actions will affect others. I had a right to carry a sign in the park across from the White House while Clinton was in office saying the President of the US is an admitted albeit unindicted felon, but I did not exercise that right. That is basically what I am talking about. It is how you choose to exercise the right...not that you HAVE the right. And I don't think hiding behind *I have the right* always excuses the fallout from the exercising. But you knew we would not agree on this.
I also have a problem with a statement like *the majority of the country is against the war in Iraq,* and *the majority of the military is against the war in Iraq.*
When you look at the percentages on the polls they are very close. Without giving the actual percentages, it gives the impression of a much larger gap. And they quoted the Military Times poll for the other statement. The Military Times does not now nor has it ever represented the majority of the American Military, and there is a definite bias there. But I will stop on that subject now.
As to biased on the part of CBS...I believe CBS probably actively hunted for this story, and I expect those gentlemen were paid well for their appearances, though we will never know that, and it really does not matter in the grand scheme of things.
Again...my feelings about Barack Obama have nothing to do...
with his color and one wonders why people keep bringing that up. My issue is with his policies and the direction he wants to take the country in. I would feel the same if he were white. Or Asian. Or Hispanic...or anything else.
Just because he is elected doesn't mean I am miraculously going to change the value system I grew up with and still have. I would not expect you to change yours if the other side had won. I would expect they would have to win you over...just like he will have to win me over. Just because he won I did not become an Obama supporter. Nothing has changed for me since yesterday as far as how I feel about him. He himself understands he has to earn my respect. So, I say to him...go ahead, President Obama. We shall see how it turns out.
Thanks so much! Sums my feelings up perfectly. nm
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My feelings exactly! It was a great show.
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I have mixed feelings on this subject.
I lost my father to emphysema so this subject is very touchy to me. I HATE cigarettes with a passion. On one side, I think it is great that they are going to control what tobacco companies put in their cigarettes. My mom and I have said for years that all the crap they put in tobacco is just ridiculous. Surely there is a way they can "clean up" their cigarettes so to speak. I can't help but wonder how many years my dad lost in his life due to his cigarette smoking. I remember vividly how many times he tried to quit and just couldn't do it. The man literally smoked until one day he couldn't breathe and my mom called 911. My dad was rushed to the hospital. He had started to turn bluish gray. He lived 4 days after that. He never came home and that was 2 years ago.
However, I agree that...what is next...alcohol....fast food...etc. There are a lot of alcohol related illnesses and there are also a lot of illnesses related to being overweight. Then we have the people on illegal drugs, etc. I'm tired of government involvement in every little thing and yet at the same time I can't be unhappy with this whole tobacco thing. Call me a hypocrit if you will, but cigarettes have cost me 2 grandpas, 1 uncle, and a dad. I'd be happy if cigarettes were gone totally but that is just me.
If you leave our board, I'll leave your board.
You ascribe me feelings about people whose name I have never mentioned here.
His book is a bestseller. Evidently, many many people think he is credible. The world of credibility does not revolve around you, gt.
I've got mixed feelings, too, Democrat.
I've never walked in their boots, and I can't imagine what it must be like to wonder if every single next step you take might be your last, especially if a soldier is completely worn out, physically, mentally and emotionally because he or she is forced to do multiple tours.
I can't imagine what it might be like to see one or more of your buddies killed by a group of people who don't abide by the rules of war. I can't imagine how long I'd be in a position like that before I would simply snap and go beserk.
These young people must be stretched beyond any human limit, and although I don't condone it or agree with it, at the same time, there's no way in my heart that I can condemn them.
The military can punish them all they want. But if these young Iraqi War soldiers are anything like the Vietnam War veterans I personally know, I can promise you that there is no prison more painful and punitive than their own personal prisons that their minds, hearts, bodies and souls inhabit.
We don't know for sure that these soldiers weren't following orders. They have a commander-in-chief who favors torture, so anything is possible. Deep in my heart, I feel these soldiers are just being used scapegoats to protect those in the highest of command who gave the orders they followed.
I constantly condemn this war and the lies and liars that led to it, but I find it impossible to feel any ill feelings towards these soldiers for actions that may very well have been orders they were obeying from higher-ups. I also can't condemn them if they just *snapped.* A human being can only take so much, and I believe these poor soldiers have been stretched way beyond what most humans could endure.
Did the bad cartoon hurt your wittle feelings?
Ugh, get over it already.
Feelings, goals, interests, families...
yes. Normal no. Tolerance is far different than acceptance. I and no one in my huge family has ever harmed a person who indulges in homosexual acts. We are as tolerant as you can get as I imagine millions of others are. Just saying that homosexuality is wrong is construed to be intolerance or verbal abuse by the homosexual community.
I don't despise any women....please do not ascribe to me feelings I don't share...
and the scope of the issue is something you don't understand either, it would appear. There is nothing in that post to suggest I despise any women. I am against the procedure of abortion. Yes, you bet I am. I despise it. It is horrendous, horrible, terrible way to die. Why are people concerned about water boarding a terrorist but don't mind cutting a living human to ribbons? Nope, you're right, I don't understand it. I don't see any way TO understand it.
The poster made a good point about women resistant to birth control. All I said is if you add women who are resistant to all forms of birth control to women who have been raped or victims of incest, and when the life of the mother is in danger, you could cut abortions 85-90%. That would save a lot of lives. The last sentence was addressing those who say that the baby is not alive or moving at the time most abortions are performed and that is simply not true. The point I was trying to make is that when a woman has a planned, wanted pregnancy, if you tell her when she feels that movement that that child is not alive inside her, that would be a hard sell. The point is, it IS alive, and people want to rationalize abortion by saying they really aren't killing anything. THey are. Just be up front about it and say that they are pro choice, and if a woman makes a decision to take that child's life for whatever reason that is her choice. Fine. Just call it what it is. We have legalized killing of unborn children in this country and made it a cash industry. Not a good thing in my books.
Mixed feelings - Bills speech was excellent.
To be honest I didn't watch her speech - refused to. I didn't feel like listening to her talk about me, me, me and how she feels she really won. So - in all fairness I don't know whether it was a good speech or not. What I have read about her speech is that someone said she said the party needs to be united and support Barack. I read another article that said she didn't do anything to unite the party. And I read another article that said Hillary's speech was a blow to the campaign and because of it Baracks ratings have dropped. I read all of this on the drudge page and I do believe there are both liberals and conservatives there, but I could be wrong. In honesty I can't tell you what I thought of it, and I think my hatred for her really is not fair to her but it does make me biased against anything she has to say.
On the other hand - I thought I hated Bill Clinton more than I did her and I was planning to refuse to listen to his speech tonight, however, found myself to curious so I did listen. Once he got past the praising Hillary & his presidency (which he didn't do as much as I thought he would) I actually thought his speech was very good. Well thought out and I thoroughly enjoyed it and my opinion of him has definitely changed (we just won't tell my mother-in-law - think she'd have a seizure- ha ha ha).
Bill Clinton for the first time finally came out backing Barack and listed the reasons why we need Barack as president, and why he is the right choice. He was sincere, intelligent, and I actually enjoyed his speech.
I have heard that Bill Clinton has planned that he is not going to be there tomorrow when Barack walks out to give his acceptance speech he is going to leave (I guess a protest that Hillary didn't get picked), but after his speech tonight I wonder if that was just a rumor. Time will tell.
I still think he was a horrible horrible present for 8 years (one of the worst presidents in history), but tonight he showed a different side to him and I give him credit for that.
Mere words cannot describe my feelings to your post....so I won't even try....
so leave
We make you sick but you just keep coming back and posting again and again and again.
I will leave that for you
I will leave the hate for you and your warmonger group, you the one who says I will chain myself to the WH gates and blow myself up, you who says Im a satanist. You are the one with the hate in your heart and soul and it comes through loud and clear.
Don't leave AW
Dont' leave American woman. I am the original poster, and I don't care what someone who comes onto this board just to troll thinks in the least, it did not bother me at all, so hold on there, Quickdraw!
Don't ask them to leave.
It's fun watching all their hatred explode to the point where they wind up fighting with each other but are too stupid to know it! 
I don't want to leave them to die...sm
But I don't want to be moving slow and steady 20 years from now. Something has got to give. Either fight like its a war and not an occupation, or come on home. The course we are on is not working and I think America is waking up to that. If the democrats change this course and you don't like it, blame Bush. He had 3 years and some months to pick up the pace over there.
I believe if Bush came out and admitted going into Iraq was a *mistake,* which it was, but which he will never do. And if he reached across the aisle for solutions to get us out *not cut and run* and *NOT stay the course.*
What does that mean? Means, I don't want to leave Iraqis to die, but I think Iraqis should take over the course.
I can't for the life of me understand that if Iraqis want this democracy as bad as we do, why not every man and boy fit to fight are not taking to the street to fight for the same. That's anybody's guess.
Side note: Funny how Bush and the likes have been squelshing any idea that this war has nothing to do with oil, but lately Bush himself has been on the campaign trail making comments that if we leave terrorist will get the oil. And he's said he's never said stay the course, WOW!
Oh no, kam...don't leave. They NEED you...
No, they don't just want the minority vote and the poor vote...they want all the votes, just like any other political party. I just find it mildly amusing that when Johnson signed the civil rights act he commented to his aide that the Dems had lost the south for a decade. That was his concern...losing the southern vote because (gasp) they were giving African Americans the vote. And what came next for Pres Johnson? The "War on Poverty" and the start of entitlement programs out the kazoo. If he and the Democratic party were really "true liberals," and they were in power and had the power, why would they have not embarked upon this mission BEFORE African Americans got the vote? They were somehow more worthy of programs when they could vote?
Having said that, I have never been against helping those truly in need, and even if starting it was self-serving, the end result was that those truly in need did get help and that part of it is a very good thing. It has ballooned, however, into a massive cash cow that is not overseen and the waste is astronomical. So, whatever administration is in, whatever party has the power, should exercise some common sense and prioritize as far as programs are concerned, cut the waste, and not raise taxes on us anymore. I would think that liberals and conservatives alike could agree on that point.
Not only will we not leave them with peace,
deficit in American history, caused by WHAT?
And I just love how anyone who doesn't agree with them is labeled as having no values.
What kind of values does someone have to take a healthy surplus upon entering office and not only SQUANDERING it but then going on to create the biggest deficit in American history?
What kind of values does someone have to send our children to an unnecessary war to die and/or be injured while neglecting to give them inadequate supplies?
What kind of values does someone have to send our children off to a foreign land to die for his own personal bogus war, when he was too much of a coward to serve in combat duty himself?
What kind of values does someone have to take the blood of 9/11 victims and the fear of all other Americans and USE it to wage a bogus war against Iraq when that was his goal before he was even elected President?
What kind of values does someone have to not care enough about securing or borders or our ports or protecting our airspace and chemical/nuclear plants and decreases the budget for rail and subway security?
What kind of values does someone have to have to neglect to develop enough smallpox vaccines FOUR YEARS after the worst attack in American history, when bio attacks using smallpox was felt to be a threat?
What kind of values does someone have to have to make sure that his huge war budget includes FREE comprehensive medical benefits for all Iraqi citizens while he presides over a country where many of his own citizens who work 40 hours or more a week can't even afford health insurance?
What kind of values does someone have to have to deny American scientists the opportunity to study stem cell research, using the argument that he wants to "protect life" when he presides over a country where our children are being routinely molested and MURDERED by animals who the government refuses to keep in jail?
Out of all the talk on these boards about life being "precious" as it regards stem cell research, I have yet to see ONE SINGLE POST about the multitude of children that have been abducted, sexually abused and murdered in this country in the last six months. What kind of values does someone have to have to care more about cells in a petrie dish than the children who are already here?
Those examples aren't values. Those examples do nothing but reflect the values that are ABSENT in an egotistical moron of a president who, at his very BEST, is nothing but DANGEROUS.
And of course, let's just leave out what DixieDew said to Nan. SM
That's so much more convenient. Who's the phoney now?
The trolls appear to be gone anyway. Why leave now?
ta dum
leave out god in the pledge
Why not say the pledge which we have been brain washed to say but leave the two words out? Let those who want to hook up god with country to say in god to themselves.something I may say our forefathers did not want us to do..to put together state and church..
Because you won't leave us alone on our own board.
If you leave us alone, I'll leave you alone.
Pwnd....huh? I think you need to leave now before..
Your language skills get.... 
Love it or leave it. Is that all you got?
I am wondering if you ever see or hear youself before, during or after your tantrums. I could not find a more perfect example of what I was trying to convey than this current post, even if my life depended on it.
Ordinary, garden-variety right-wing impotence. Attacks on patriotism and America, love-it-or-leave it. Boring….surely you can do better than that. Show me where I said I was disappointed in America. Please don’t respond with another fabrication. Blind, deaf, illiterate, which is it? Guess you skated right on past the part about being “no less American” or “proud of America and the ideals we try to uphold,” in your haste to find something to assault or ridicule.
Your attempt at humor falls about as flat as McCain’s let’s-annihilate-an-entire-population and rape jokes. MSNBC is a little on the tame side for me. Next time you really want to insult a democrat, try playing the Democracy Now! and KPFT/Pacifica card. Anyone genuinely interested in alternative viewpoints on issues that NEVER make to the mainstream media might want to check them out, but you will be disappointed if you are looking for candidate, spouse and their associates bashing. As for you, Sam, enjoy Hannity. It’s preaching-to-the choir audience and content ought to make you feel right at home, all safe and validated and it's a great place to go when you need to refresh those tired tactics and stock up on mud.
You seem to be a little confused today, (gag me) “dear.” Must be the way you tow your party line and jump right in with that hostility toward facts and information. Those “elite” and “snobbish” remarks are just as inappropriate and untrue about me as they are about Obama. Let me break this down for you. The “elite,” in most contexts, refers to the wealthy, aristocratic, blue-blood, upper class… the “haves.” That world of economic and class distinction can be found on the republican planet, where all the “snobs” live. We dems are the roll-up your sleeves, blue-collar, working class, champion of the underdogs bunch…“the have-nots.” Try to keep that straight next time you need to use that ploy. Being an MT, I belong to that second clan, to be sure, since very few of us have amassed vast wealth, and it should come as no surprise that my politics arise from that place.
I think the word you are looking for to rail against would be “academic.” I don’t feel I need to excuse or defend myself for trying to be equipped with a few facts, reading a few books, taking a class or 2 or checking into misinformation. But for the life of me, I cannot understand why so many right-wingers feel so threatened by that. I do not think I am smarter than the next guy. I just don’t want to sound as dumb and ignorant, that all. In fact, the best knowledge I have was picked up on the street, at the school of hard knocks and simply being alive for so long. In any case, there are a whole bunch of academic people out there Sam. They are your fellow Americans, and every once in a while, it is their turn to speak. Do us all a favor and get over yourself, puh-leeze.
You do seem to be reasonably intelligent. Academics, like bilingualism….not fatal. Indulge yourself and try it sometime. You just might like it. IMO, you probably would be pretty good at it. It certainly is a lot more stimulating than all this mud-slinging…more inspiring, too. I’ll say it again. Intelligence is a terrible thing to waste. If you think it’s funny, it’s your loss, not mine.
This is the only chat room I ever use. I do not come here for information. I come here because of the isolation factor in the life of a work-at-home MT. At least we all have that in common and I would like to assume that we are an off-the-beaten path community of fairly intelligent folks. I do not consider chat rooms, blogs, the Internet or any network, CNN, Fox or MSNBC broadcasts to be particularly reliable sources of information. I come from the old school (don’t go ballistic on me…it’s not a 4-letter word). I feel much more comfortable with good old-fashioned investigative reporting, and I am not referring to what has been passed off as such in recent times. Here’s what is looks like: It strives to be objective and unbiased. It is exhaustive and thorough. It examines the pros and cons of an issue, presents facts and alternative viewpoints and does not edit or opine. It leaves its conclusions up to the reader. That is how one develops original thinking. Not a hat you try on to see how cute it will make you look. It is a process of protracted, lifetime pursuit.
I will not dignify your accusations of being a mouthpiece for the party with a response, although there are certain aspects of the platform that do represent where I am coming from. This is simply another conclusion you have jumped to with great glee, and is a pitifully transparent avoidance of engaging any of the real issues I have raised. I will also pass on the delusions or grandeur dig…. (yawn) just more of the same senseless mud-slinging you seem to enjoy so much.
I am not interested in repeating myself on the immigrant issue since you’re not listening anyway….waste of time. I most certainly do see the Americans in my midst. I am one of them. You missed the point (no surprise there). I try not to respond to all those “shoulds.” Awfully one-dimensional, if you ask me, and besides, they do nothing to shed light on the topic, nor do they lead us to any viable solutions. BTW, show me where I said I want you to be Ethiopian or Cuban. Not. I want you to let them be Ethiopian-Americans, Cuban-Americans, etcetera. Assimilation is a HUGE issue with many facets and is way too complex to comprehend in the absence of the ability to put oneself into another’s shoes. Besides, I am sure that assimilation does not mean the same thing to you as it does to me. But I am glad you brought this up, because it plays into the broader issue of what it means to be an American, past, present and future.
You are most definitely not prepared to have any meaningful exchange on why immigrants come here and, yes, I can agree with at least one thing you said. Things aren’t so great where they come from. The question is why….and furthermore, that subject requires the ability to listen and respond to some honest and humbling self-examination and (gasp) criticism of the good ole US. Being the superpower that we are, it would be foolish to deny that US foreign policy failures have not played a significant role in that arena. I’ll go there with someone who is not quite as, shall we say, “sensitive” on that subject.
It may come as a shock to you that Americans are not one huge homogenous monolith that agrees with your vision of what America should or should not be. Quite the contrary. We are allowed to be diverse in our ideas and lifestles, without the fear of persecution. Spare me those chest-beating lectures on patriotism and your sanitized American utopian ideal. I read the DAR old home week posts but kept my distance. I will inject these two comments, which I am sure you will find offensive….oh well. American Indians have LOTS of issues between themselves and the US government….still. If nobody ever hears complaints from them, it is not from lack of trying. It would be because their news never makes it to mainstream media, but they do get weekly air time on Pacifica. They are not silent. Nobody is listening, and to our eternal shame, nobody cares and never did. They would not exactly be delighted to be dragged out in a horse-and-pony exhibition as mutt ancestors of non-Native Americans who would use their heritage in a whose-more-American contest. In fact, they remain pretty big on the idea of preserving their own ethnic purity. Not a whole lot of room there for the DAR. Last time I checked, they take their pride in being aboriginal natives who live in sovereign nations…not exactly receptive to the kind of assimilation you have in mind. Bet their vision of the REAL America wouldn’t look anything like yours.
In any case, it’s a brand new day in the USA. This is not 1800 and its not 1900…globalization is here, and it’s not going away. We unleashed it with our own hands and now it’s time to grow up and deal with what it all means. The face of the earth will never look the same again and there is no going back to the good old days. Sorry about that. Breaking news. There are around 50,000 illegal Irish immigrants in the US. Granted, they are English speaking but not AMERICAN English. What WILL we do with them all….round them up and ship this back across the Atlantic? Would that be all right with you?
That Krushchev remark was asinine and completely off the wall. I know you were trying to be cute and I got the general drift about his prediction and “without firing a shot.” You would like to misconstrue this and use it to bolster your immigration argument. Have it your way. Lets go there. I was alive and kicking, we had a TV and I was old enough to understand the report and the broadcast. I remember what happened. One shoe incident (there were a few) was an angry gesture on his part in a heated exchange with the Filipino minister during a rant against Western colonialism/imperialism. The prediction you cite was a completely different occasion, and was made in reference to the cold war, boasting that America's children would be living under communism without firing a shot. He couldn’t care less about the illegal immigration “problems” in the US. In fact, back then there was not a whole lot of that anyway. So enlighten me, oh Wise One. What truth am I missing here?
The degree of bigotry you hold inside yourself is hateful, a viewpoint shared by a majority of Americans on both sides of the aisle. Before you get your drawers in an uproar and start dragging out the denial defense, lets look at what Merriam Webster has to say. Bigot = “One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.” Never heard you talk about religion, but by all other counts, you qualify. It is as exhaustive for you to nurture that kind of hatred as it is for anyone who tries to reason with you about it. Be a bigot. It’s a free country. But let it be known that as long as bigotry continues to exact its toll of division among us and inflicts the pain and suffering that it so obviously fosters, there will always be legions of us who will stand up against it. I am only being realistic about what lies ahead of all of us in terms of globalization. Stick your head in the sand. No problem. But it’s coming and there is really no force on earth that is going to stop that train.
Even an 8th grader knows that Nazis failed in creating a pure race. Nothing cute at all about the suffering that that kind of bigotry caused. If you feel that strongly about the pure race and making time stand still, maybe you should start a secession movement.
Hannity is too ill-informed, way too pathetic and just downright too stupid to push any of my buttons but he should be right up your alley...2 of a kind. Throw that therapy insult at someone else. Play time is over and it’s time for me to get out of the sandbox and go home.
In closing, you couldn’t recognize an issue if it came up kicked you in the face. Takes no talent whatsoever to get down there in the dirt where you seem to feel so much at home. Unfortunately, you set the tone for the responses you get. Anyone interested in answering you has to sink to your level just to have a conversation with you. Not all of us get our kicks like that and certainly I have much better ways to spend my time.
Let me know if you ever find your way past all those obnoxious personal attacks, clichéd catch phrases, dodges, deflections and deceptions and actually want to wrap your brain around some real issues. In the meantime, I won’t be back in sandbox at least for the next couple of days…looking to change my job. I know you will miss me just about as much as I will miss you. When I come back, I’ll be dialing it back a notch or two….this drivel is certainly not worth getting kicked off the board over.
Actually, she does leave the caveat of...
abortion if the life of the mother is in danger. So she is not 100%. Now you are hawking abortion as a straight birth control method? Geeezzzzzz. Take a pill, save a baby!
Card carrying feminist...yeah right. Only feminists who share your narrow views. Obviously there are some independent feminists out there, and they may well be your candidate's undoing as well, because you just can't help being mean and condescending, and some people are just sick of it. Some Democrats are just sick of it. Keep it up! Less work for us.
Leave her up there where she belongs.
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There is still a shot he might not leave. sm
The economy is very bad and there could be a catastrophic emergency (Directive 51), and we are stuck with him.
i'm sure he is ready to leave,
and would not worry about that. Also am glad that the provisions are in place for every kind of emergency, including directive 51, to preserve the integrity of our government. If the terrorists will try again, i'm sure they'll wait to test Obama rather than mess with Bush. You'd best worry instead whether Obama will be ready 'on day 1'.
leave her siblings
out of it.
Yep....they don't dare leave the US
The Hague (World Court) has pretty much charged Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush with war crimes.
on January 26, United Nations Special Rapporteur on Torture Manfred Nowak insisted that the pursuit of Bush and members of his administration for the torture of terror war prisoners is crucial if justice is to be served.
Nowak added that he believes enough evidence exists currently to proceed with the prosecution of Donald Rumsfeld, the former Secretary of Defense who was credited as being highly influential in the crafting and push for America's invasion of Iraq and the prior administration's abusive interrogation tactics.
And I'm told to forget about Bush - NO FREAKING WAY! This sucks out loud!!!
Yes, that's what I'm saying. I'll leave that to his
I've lived long enough not to swallow everything I see, especially from sources like this, as "gospel", if you'll pardon the pun.
All I want is for people to leave
the definition of marriage to be between a man and a woman. It is a sacred bond between a man and a woman in the eyes of God. I have no problem compromising and making all "marriages" civil unions and then letting the believers have their marriage performed in a church by their pastor. Funny how we are willing to compromise though. I remember asking if the gay community would be willing to have civil unions and I was told that it wasn't fair and why should the gay community settle for civil unions? Now all of sudden you are for civil unions? I personally don't see why both marriages in a church and civil unions can't both have the benefits that marriage currently does. That way we can keep our religion and our marriage to ourselves and you can have your civil unions. Now you want people who are believers and who want to get married to have their benefits stripped away just to make you happy and feel good about gay civil unions? Once again....talk about a group who cries and whines about their rights but have no problem trying to take rights away from someone who doesn't have the same opinion or beliefs.
We could leave "marriage" as it is, and have....sm
homosexual UNIONS. People having traditional marriages keep on as before, but homosexuals wishing to engage in a "union" could do the legal thing.
That sounds about right to me. :)
Yes, you have the freedom to LEAVE
if you don't like the direction our country is heading. You LOST. The Good Guys Won. Deal with it!! Get behind our President and our Country. Or LEAVE! We don't need treason like this you are expressing.
I'd appreciate it if you would leave my daughter out of your agenda.
I mentioned nothing of her political opinions or what she "thinks." I merely said I baby-sit for her occasionally and use her computer. for you to try to drag her into your accusations is typical of what I have seen happen on the other board. It's inflammatory and untrue, but it's how you people seem to create your "facts." I can assure you that my daughter has her own political opinions, and she and I don't always agree, unlike you, but we at least respect each other's right to their opinion and often have respectable, interesting, informative debates with each other. She was taught respect and learned it very well. You can't hold a candle to the intelligent, respectful young lady that she is, so don't even try because you're way out of your league. As far as going back to the conservative board, thanks, but no thanks. I've already explained my reasons for not going back there any more. People are much more respectful of differing opinions on this board.
My post to gt was simply to tell her that I understand what it's like to be accused of all sorts of things simply because you post on a board. It happened to me on the conservative board on my first (and last) visit there, which is why I won't return.
Do I think some of the things gt said were over the top? I sure do. Do I understand why she said them? My guess is that she was trying to communicate with you in the only way you seem to understand, since civil attempts don't seem to work with some of you people. I think I can "understand" her motives, just like some of you "understand" why Eric Rudolph murdered innocent people. And between the two, I'd much rather try to "understand" gt than "Eric" (as he appears to be affectionately referred to elsewhere on this board).
sm is not me. And I offered to leave too. It's on the board. SM
look for yourself. Geesh.
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