Ok, I'm going to give you a partial okay on this one
Posted By: me on 2009-04-15
In Reply to: We showed plenty of patriotism..(sm) - Just the big bad
Let me explain without sounding towards one side or the other.
Yes, Nov 4th was historic - not grass roots, just historic.
Since 11/4 so much has changed. I'm talking about changes that have not been good. I voted for the O thinking the changes would be good, as a lot of other democrats did too. We all expected good things. However, within less than 90 days he has done a world of damage.
These tea parties happening all over the country (sorry, think I did a typo earlier and said countries - but that may be a freudian slip). This is a true grass roots movement. Even us democrats who voted for him (and a heck of a lot of democrats who are in politics) are saying "wait a minute here. This is not what you campaigned on and this is not what you said you were going to do". Many people from both sides of teh political arena are saying enough. The spending has got to stop and stop NOW.
A note about community organizing. Community organizing is not having ACORN go around and register the same people 60 and 70 times. Community organizing IS exactly what these tea parties are. These tea parties are being organized by groups (if you ever had to organize a group function its no easy task), to arrange the stages, camera crews, professional musicians, guest speakers. This is organizations by people all over the country. Thousands upon thousands upon thousands turning out to say "We the people have a voice. Listen to what we are saying". We had enough of Bush's spending over an 8 year period, but now here he comes and within less than 3 months he has tripled the amount spent by Bush. If we didn't like Bush's spending, why in the world would anyone think we want this spending - and 3 times as much.
It's not a matter of democrat leadership versus republican leadership. We need a leader who will represent what the people want and what will make our nation once again great. We have that with neither party and people keep making this into a democrat versus republican issue. It is not. We should have one party and the politicians should be voted on based on their experience and how they perform their job, not what party they belong to. When it boils down to it "issues" do not have a political party. Homelessness is not republican or democrat. Unemployment is not democrat or republican, etc. Issues are issues, but people make them into democrat or republican.
When someone wants to speak up that they don't want to pay more in taxes, or they speak up because they have lost their job to an overseas company, or they speak up because they are losing their home because of the decisions that politicians in WA are making. Why are they made fun of and ridiculed.
Wanting the politicians in Washington to know how upset we are that the decisions they are making and that are having severe impacts on us (for the worst (worse?) is not a way of life for us, it's putting us in a prison without parole. So if we want to stand up and say something why are we labeled with horrible names like paranoid, racists, radical right-wingers, and everything else they are being called on this board and on the liberal media stations. I heard from a lot of democrat speakers today and they said they are even tired of it.
So yes, 11/4 was a great day. People put aside their racist viewpoints and voted for a man, yet this man that I voted for is much different than the man that campaigned. So much has changed. While 11/4 was a memorable day, today is a true grass roots movement.
I'm glad that there are many others like me.
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Partial explanation perhaps?
I've been noticing that quite often when there is a conservative belief/claim being put forth repeatedly on this board (right now it's that Republicans always do the right thing and admit to their behavior and resign versus the Democrats who never do the right thing/can't admit their behavior and never resign), when doing research I find that the posters on this board are simply regurgitating what they are reading on the many far-right blogs/newsletters/publications. It's almost word for word. THere have been many examples in the past besides this most recent rant. At this point it seems that the far-rights are guilty of being unable to have original thoughts. Now let's see if they can do the right thing and admit it.......(laughter here, please).
On a more serious note, I never saw Clinton referred to as a serial rapist until reading this board. Once again, upon checking this out I see multiple, multiple references on -- you guessed it - multiple far-right-crazy political blogs/newsletters, etc......you get the idea. The thing that I find worrisome, though, is that we have been requested repeatedly not to bash Bush on this board in any fashion, yet past presidents (especially those that are Democrats) are fair game for any manner of accusations. If we shouldn't question Bush's decisions (as an example) because of how it will look to other countries who might read this forum, how does it look to call our former president a serial rapist?
That means you may be partial to SP?
if you don't care about experience?
That you can say this about partial birth abortion sm
says to me that you are a proponent of relative morality or that you have no idea what partial birth abortion entails. Once a society starts with the whatever seems right to you mentality in regards to life, then we are doomed. Pardon me if I say that I am so glad I am not you.
oops, ignore the last partial sentence....nm
The procedure of partial birth abortion you describe is...sm
somewhat true, as well as gruesome. However, It is never done as an elective procedure, rather as an emergency procedure in order to save the life of the mother when it is a breech delivery and the cervix clamps down before the head delivers, or when the fetus has died in utero. The few times I saw it done during my career, everyone in the room, sometimes even the doctor was crying. To say that someone choses this to get rid of a baby is simply just not true.
My belief? "late-term abortion" or partial-birth abortion" = infanticide, it is sickening
So in these cases I do think, as in most things, there is no ABSOLUTE, but a judicious guideline for this should be investigated and established by the medical community, as far as survival/outcome, but then we must be willing to prosecute mothers and doctors who go outside the guidelines...with established jail terms....and more money to house these "criminals" for years. Why not let God by the ultimate judge, He has the wisdom and the power, and eternity without God is worse than anything we as humans can mandate, don't you think?
Don't give up......
Hey, how about the URL?
Give it up.
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You get the job they give you. sm
I honor all our military, no matter what job they do.
Okay - I give up. LOL.
I was hoping for a better result the second time, but I didn't get one. Please use the link if you're interested in reading this in its entirety.
Sorry! 
http://www.rense.com/general84/close.htm
Maybe we all should give ourselves
a mini bail-out and take a tax holiday next April by filing hundreds of millions of extensions.
I can give you my take on it.....
he is trying to give tax breaks to them in order to get them out from under the heavy tax burden put ON them by Democrats which caused them to outsource in the first place. If corporate taxes are lower here that only encourages companies to keep their employees here, their operations here, and even encourages overseas companies to but divisions here and employ even more Americans. It is just common sense if you look at it on the face of it. We have the second highest corporate/business taxes in the entire world. If you had a business, would you not want to make money? We ask employers to do huge benefits packages for employees, and then turn right around and tax them into oblivion. They have to do something...either offshore or go under. High taxes and big government are NOT helpful to business, and if business does not thrive, we the people don't either.
Yes, but it would only give those who
act like fools now regardless of their situation an excuse to be hostile. More intelligent people might harbor deep feelings but the ignorant ones will be out on the streets acting like they normally would, only worse.
Give me an 0-B-A-M-A and what do you have?...
 OBAMA!
Okay.....I will give you that....sm
Some are Christians....but look at what only a few were able to accomplish on 9/11. Think of what thousands more could accomplish. Look at what Hitler and Idi Amin and Saddam Hussein were able to accomplish. They were not the majority in their respective countries, but they were able to exterminate millions of people. Are you ready for that? And don't think it could never happen in America.
Maybe O will give me the....... sm
family rate........... NOT!
Okay, I give up.
All I see is promises. calm demeanor is another. He was a bit rattled at some of the questions asked of him throughout the campaign.
I'm afraid of his "form of thinking"... "world view, plans and policies". His voting record leaves something to be desired. He is not focusing on the middle class, but is focusing on the have-nots.
His "voting record, his biography?" Not good. His "accomplishments"? What, that he came up so fast in government? That's a little quizzical. How did he accomplish that?
I am truly worried about his "orientation towards the future," his "multicultural global outlook, his global appeal". Love for his country? We shall see.
We know he loves his family. That I won't argue with, but other things you wrote, yes. I'm not sure he has the gumption to do it all.
Give me......... sm
a big old bowl of mustard greens with fat back, fried salt pork, baked sweet taters, fried hot water cornbread and a tall glass of cold buttermilk topped of by a big old slice of chocolate pie any day! I got a good case of gastric distress just reading that menu!!!
Give me one that was NOT! ! !
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No, you just give them, they take and ask for more.
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give me an example
And don't list penis & breast enhancement ads. These have nothing to do with atheism. I want to know when you have been watching a religious program and had an ad for atheism show up, & what the ad was about.
How are your rights being taken away? Before you answer, make sure that the "right" you list is NOT one that infringes on the rights of others. Give me some legitimate, concrete examples.
I can't give.......
this package an A. It is so complicated and I am getting mixed messages all over the place. We have to wrap Iraq up (that'll save us $12 billion a month) - don't know how they'll accomplish that and then there's Afghanistan, what a mess. They have to do something and they have to do it now. We have witnessed how the "free market" will take care of it - it won't. I am disgusted and disappointed with Congress. The longer this freefall continues, the longer it will be before the banks can extend credit. And, I agree with Obama, cap the CEOs salaries as long as they are accepting taxpayers money. STOPPING spending is what everyone is doing right now.....and the freefall continues. Spending to stimulate the economy seems to be our only option right now. This country has so may ills - it can't be boiled down to a couple of paragraphs.
GIve em' he!! Mrs. B!!!
   
That is very big of you to give your
your permission for differing opinions from your own.
GIVE Act
Link below
I don't like it when they give
military information either. I also cringe when I see documentaries on how our weapons are made and what they do. Nothing like giving the enemy a play by play on what we are doing and how our weapons are supposed to work.
As far as I am concerned, we don't need to know every little thing like that. It puts us at a disadvantage and I personally feel it endangers our troops just throwing out information like that.
I will give you this....
I'm sure that there were some folks there that were there basically because they hate Obama. But you cannot stereotype everyone into that group. I, for one, don't hate Obama. I wasn't there trying to have him impeached for being black....okay. It amazes me that you people tell conservatives to be openminded, at the same time you can be some of the most closed minded of all of us. You want us to see things from your point of view and yet at the same time spit on our point of view.
We are called racist and unpatriotic for disagreeing with our current president and yet it was quite okay to disagree with Bush. You want to cry and whine about how this is about Obama and how we hate Obama and yet you say nothing of the black people who voted for Obama merely because he was black.....or about the black people who continue to support him merely because he is black. If you want to throw up the race card, by all mean do it but please report the racism from all sides. I'm not saying all black people voted for Obama for that reason.....but some did. I'm sure some white people didn't vote him for because he is black.....but that isn't the reason for all of us. You can't use racism as a cop out for everything here.
If the tea parties were truly about hating Obama and all brought about by racism....then by all means we have a right to be ridiculed because that would be a wrong reason to protest and would show how bigotted we are. However, that WAS NOT the reason behind the tea parties. It wasn't even about Obama entirely. It was about GOVERNMENT and that includes the president, pubs, and crats as well as any independent that might be in there if there are any.
It amazes me that liberal groups can protest and be physical with people in their protests and spray paint graffiti and that is okay but when concerned Americans get together in protest where there is no violence and no destruction of public or private property.....you all scream and call us hate mongers.....are you kidding me?
There may not have been many black people in the crowd but there were some out there. I don't recall seeing any burning crosses. There were no Obama effigies hung from a rope....although I do recall one of Sarah Palin being hung during the campaign at someone's house during Halloween and I guess that was okay, huh?
Double standards and the race card.....I'm sick sick sick of it.
I give up
You don't get what I just said. The money was used for something else whether is was supposed to be or not. Check the history. The money was "borrowed" for other purposes. I also acknowledged that it is paid by current workers and that the benefit is determined by what you earned and not what you paid in, but what you earned would be very tied to what you paid in. The more you earned, the more you paid. I will say one last time this system was supposed to be a savings acct for retirement. No, my own actual dollars would not be paid to me, but if I paid in, I should be paid out. The govt had no right to squander that surplus thus leaving the system unable to provide for those citizens who worked hard, paid in and who trusted them with the money. Most seniors could have done a lot better putting their own dollars in their own bank rather than having the govt do their investing for them. That is all this boils down to whether you wish to acknowledge it not. I am done and gone.
I don't think you give Bush
Although I totally agree with EVERYTHING you said, I'm sure that Bush will find a way to keep all the kids of his rich "base" out of combat, the same way he was kept out of combat by his rich dad. Maybe if Dubya had the GUTS to see some combat action on his own, he'd think twice before sending our children out to die for a bogus war that he needs because he feels that no president could be considered truly successful without one military "win" under his belt.
He said this in 1999, TWO YEARS before 9/11:
"My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he wasted it." He went on, 'If I have a chance to invade…, if I had that much capital, I'm not going to waste it. I'm going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I'm going to have a successful presidency.'"
He's beyond moronic. What kind of SUBHUMANOID USES 9/11 and all its victims as an EXCUSE to do what he's wanted to do all along?
And yes, you'd better believe there's going to be a draft. I have 2 reasons for believing that.
1. Because, as you said, we can't meet recruitment quotas because our bright young people are opening their eyes and aren't willing to die in an unnecessary war for a government that does nothing but lie; and
2. Read my lips: BECAUSE HE PROMISED THERE WOULDN'T BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Give it up, sm, I did. Come on over to the C board. :) NM
kennedy does not give?
Does not put his money where his mouth is? Do you have an inside as to how he spends and donates his money? I dont but I would suspect coming from the Kennedy family that he donates pretty significantly to situations that need it..If you dont know for sure, then I would suggest you not post derogatory posts about the Kennedy family..if you do know for sure, post the information here, just dont rant and rave without proof..Thanks!
Give me a break.
The CON board has been demoralized by nonstop drive-by vitriol for months. Forgive me if I'm neither surprised nor particularly perturbed to see that the worm has turned here. My congratulations, though, extend to all those who post with the very obvious intent of ridiculing and harassing those with opposing views to the point of eliminating rational discussion on these boards. If their purpose is to eliminate rational discussion of important political issues, they seem to be succeeding.
They may give us Jeb. Gasp! nm
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I will. If you want a reference I will give it to you. You may not like it though...sm
You give him a lot of credit
In your view one man single-handedly has brought the world down in 5-1/2 years. That's really giving Bush a lot of power. If Clinton and other Democratic presidents were soooo great then why didn't they single handedly make the world a utopian place when they were in office? Wow, Democratic presidents must have really sucked if you have the view that the Office of the President of the United States holds the power to either make the world Heaven or Hell. It seems the Dems could do neither. Man, they were lamer than I ever imagined if your view is correct.
Isn't Bush the one trying to give them
??
Can you give some examples?
I am interested in hearing your common sense solutions to the problems our President has faced and how you would have handled the issues differently. Have you thought about running for President? You should if you're up for the great task. I'll vote for you!
Can you give links on any of this....
other than..."I heard..." Believe me, the way auto sales are falling, if they could manufacture one that ran on water and sold for $1200 they would be selling them, because $1200 is better than zero...good grief. Talk about your conspiracy theories. All the automakers are downsizing and grasping to try to sell cars and they would NOT ignore something they could build and sell cheap...simple economics 101. The Wal-mart approach to car sales, and they all know how successful wal-mart is, because all the pieties about "I only buy American" and "offshoring" fall to the wayside in favor of "cheap." All those same people who gripe about wal-mart buying overseas and supposedly mistreating their employees run over each other to get to the sales, and don't think they don't. Typical Democrat mantra...do as we say, not as we DO.
As to the car McCain offered the bounty for on the battery...he was talking about one that would replace what is in use now...not one whose top end is 30 mph and you have to charge it after an hour. Good grief, get your facts straight. :-) I am sure he meant one that would at least do 50 mph and you could drive it to the quick pick and back without having to plug it in. That being said, I did see where Toyota (on the US side) is working on technology to attach solar panels to charge batteries. Of course, that would mean leaving that sweeetttt little sports car out in the sun...ahem. Bet Teddy Kennedy won't be buying one and I bet RFK Jr. won't either...lol. Gotta love'em. DO as we SAY...not as we DO.
oh give me a break!
as the person said above, ive never used his whole name, and i said it for impact, not because i care about him. Honestly, I don't know McCain's Middle name! or Joe Biden's or Sara Palin's. pathetic that you talk about me in third person. ask like the person above. again you know nothing about me, i have pics all up on my myspace of me shaking Obama's hand and me at his speech... you know the old saying if you assume you make an a$$ out of you and me!
give it a rest ....nm
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Give it a rest, already.
You're like a dang gnat that needs a swat. Unless you know what was going on behind the scenes in both parties, knock it off. Like Biden was the so-called "new politician's" first choice? He was supposedly the safest choice.
I so much agree with you. Some will have to give
nm
Please give an example where she put her religion above the...
needs of our country. She has certainly done fine by the state of Alaska. Higher approval ratings than either O or Joe.
Maybe she should give someone else the numbers
xyz
then give us the context
and prove your point.
Because when they have nothing substantive to give...
they ridicule and belittle. Second nature.
Oh, give me a break!!!!!!!
Nancy Pelosi wants to take on some of her "garbage" to the deal. There should be NOTHING added, nadda, let alone her screwed up way of thinking mess. There will be so much added garbage by the thieves on capital hill WE are paying for, the debt itself will never see the money.
Likely to die? Give me a break.
Are you suggesting he's NOT being diligent about his health? Do you think he hasn't had an MRI just because he didn't fax it to your house? Vote for whoever you want, but siding with that numbskull Obama because you have a preminition of death re. his opponent is laughable.
Sigh. I give up.
I guess this is just the way things are.
Give examples
Goes both ways. Democrats have been time and time again saying untrue and slanderous things about McCain, then they turn around in the same breath and say your lying about Obama. I have not heard any of the lies about Obama though. So far everything has been true, so give some examples. I'd like to be proven wrong.
You give me hope that there might . . .
be more progressive thinkers like us out there than I might imagine . .
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