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Oh yes, closer attention to their oil assets in the Middle East.....remember those invisible weapons

Posted By: Cyndiee on 2009-01-26
In Reply to: I'd say Bush paid closer attention than did the Clinton administration! - Lu

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I'd say Bush paid closer attention than did the Clinton administration!
Bin Laden was on the radar during the Clinton administration and yet the potential threat he posed was virtually ignored!
These are the 16 countries in the Middle East...s/m
Countries in the Middle East, they are all Arab
States, except Israel and Iran.

Bahrain

Gaza Strip

Iran

Iraq

Israel

Jordan

Kuwait

Lebanon

Oman

Qatar

Saudi Arabia

Syria

United Arab Emirates

West Bank

Yemen




I followed the news about the Middle East.

Good that the pro-western coalition won. This for everybody involved. What I read is that Hezbullah was not very eager to win the election, too much responsibility. What Hezbullah wants is to keep the veto right.

We will see who wins in Iran.
The Iraqi war has further destabilized the middle east. It has....sm
But obviously you don't think so so tell us how it has helepd to stabilize the region?
Freedom agenda in the Middle East?

Did Bush campaign promising a freedom agenda in the Middle East?  I must have missed that during the debates.  In fact, he specifically said he was against nation building when he debated Gore, although in all fairness, he didn't say he was against nation wrecking.


I guess he doesn't understand that the decider created more suiciders than he got rid of.


I can't wait to see how his base spins the long awaited truth from Bush's own lips that there were no WMDs and that Iraq had no ties to 9/11.


May God help us all.


No, if those who do not push for peace in the Middle East sm
establishing a democracy and fighting terrorists there rather than here, if those people are wrong, we will all suffer.  It is certainly much broader than that.  As far as why we don't just get in and kick butt and get out, well, there was a time when we would have.  Now, there are too many liberal watchdogs who on one hand say they support the troops and with the other cut their Achillles tendon.  Forced to fight a PC war, we can never win this.  That's my take on it.
Wow, your ignorance about the Middle East is frightening. sm
But not surprising.
Obama's "buddies" in the middle east....sm
Are a figment of your imagination. You must be watching too much "Hannity's America." I watched Hannity's show about Obama last night, (even though I think Hannity's a doofus, to put it mildly) and I found myself thinking two main things:

1. There was not a shred of objectivity in the whole thing. Not that I expected there would be, but something so cleary biased makes be discount the whole thing. It was all innuendo and insinuation. It was pitiful, but if people get nothing but a steady diet of that kind of garbage, no wonder they think as they do. Garbage in, garbage out.

2. Maybe you're not aware of it if you're a Repub, but all of this "quesionable relationship" BS was dealt with months ago, during the Dem primaries. Don't you think that if there was anything to it, Hillary Clinton would've been able to bring Obama down with it? Didn't happen. There's just no "there" there.

And I am not personally offended by your Muslim comment, as I am not Muslim. I was simply pointing out that it was offensive, and racist. I think unfortunately that comments like yours are a sign of things to come, as McCain signals that it's okay. I find it sickening that's he's willing to take things into the gutter in this way, and the damage it will cause our country in his desperation to win.
Obama's middle east tour...(sm)

Has anyone else noticed what's going on in the middle east with elections?  I don't think I would credit all this to just Obama's speech in Cairo, but my guess is that his example (and ours by electing him) has been noticed around the world.


The "pro-Western coalition" won in Lebanon, beating out Hezbollah.


"The leader of the largest bloc in the pro-Western coalition, Saad Hariri, said early Monday in a televised speech that he extends his hand to the losing side "to work together and seriously for the sake of Lebanon." He urged supporters to celebrate without provoking opponents."  (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/07/lebanon-election-results-_n_212359.html)


And how about Iran?  Check this out.  This looks familiar.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/31210578#31210578


Maybe there's something to be said for extending a hand of peace instead of pointing a rifle. 


Paulson requested Asia and Middle East
And suggested that maybe it was up to them now to have a lower savings rate and a higher consumption rate.

I think he is putting them on notice that any further losses they will have to take and will not be covered by the government. I also think he is putting the US companies on notice that if they are borrowing from Asia and the middle east and issue credit default swaps they will have to cover them from now on.

Actually, this sounds like an "intervention" show where the parent is lecturing the drug dealer to stay away from their kid, the credit addict.
Obama sends more troops to the middle east
Obama sends 17,000 more troops to Afghanistan.

Obama's campaign speech: "As President of the United States I will start withdrawing troops from the middle east within 60 days of taking office".

Why am I surprised?

Everytime he speaks all I can hear is that Thompson Twin song "Lies"

Lies, lies, lies, yeah
Lies, lies, lies, yeah
Lies, lies, lies, yeah
Yup, I do remember. The secret weapons sales ....sm
to Iran are especially given what we are going through with Iran now.
I absolutely disagree that we as Americans cannot have an opinion about the Middle East. sm
You may be one of the few Jews who never liked Sharon.  He was one of their biggest war heroes of all time and everyone loved him, that being in the past tense.  The significance of the Gaza strip and its buffer of safety for the Israelis is not a minor point.  It is huge.  When the Jews left the Gaza strip, they leveled it.  It will not be rebuilt because, of course, Hamas did not want to live on the land, they simply wanted to take it away from the Jews.  Do we see footage of them frantically rebuilding the Gaza strip?  I haven't seen any, have you?  Hamas are gathering their arsenal.  They will march toward Jerusalem.  As a Jew, I don't understand your blase thinking on this in any way, nor do I understand your disregard for Biblical prophecy that all of this portends. 
As long as US keeps sticking it's nose into Middle East politics
their puppet of destabilization, these unfortunate incidents will continue unabated. The oil belongs to them. It's our problem, not theirs.
Israel's "occupation" of their land is the most godly thing in the middle east.

Israel needs the help of no one.  They will always prevail because they are backed by God -- the one true God.  All those who come against the people of Israel will suffer loss.  It is not out of fear that Israel arms itself, it is out of a deep understanding of their past, present, and future revealed to them by God.  Israel is loved by God and hated by their muslim neighbors because of that fact. 


There is no Palestine.  As I said before, the palestinians are squatters.  Claiming a land that never belong to them and never will be promised to them.  Their name is not on the lease! 


Bush won't meet with border officials despite evidence of Middle East infiltration through Mexico


Article Launched: 6/16/2006 12:00 AM


Bush declines to meet with border officials


Sara A. Carter, Staff Writer


San Bernardino County Sun


President Bush has refused to meet with border law-enforcement officials from Texas for a second time. His response to their request came in the form of a letter Monday, angering both lawmakers and sheriffs.


In fact, some Republican members of the House, upset by what they call the administration's seeming lack of concern for border security, are preparing to hold investigative hearings in San Diego and Laredo, Texas, early next month.


Members of the House Subcommittee on International Terrorism and Nonproliferation hope to expose serious security flaws that could potentially lead to terrorist attacks in the country, said Rep. Ted Poe, R-Texas, who is a member of the panel and has pushed for the hearings.


The next terrorist is not going to come in through (Transportation Security Administration) screening at Kennedy airport, Poe said. We already have information that people from the Middle East have come through the border from Mexico. They assimilate in Mexico learning to speak Spanish and adopt customs and then they cross the border into the United States.


Poe requested the meeting for members of the Southwestern Sheriffs' Border Coalition a group that includes all 26 border-county sheriffs from California, New Mexico, Arizona and Texas. The sheriffs wanted to speak to the president about the increasing dangers in their communities and along the border.


The president is the busiest man in the world but he needs to take the time to talk to the border sheriffs and learn what's happening in the real world from them, Poe said. We can't understand why he refuses to meet with them.


In May, all of the Republican House members from Texas traveled to Washington to meet the president regarding border security. Bush did not meet with them, however, and former White House spokesman Scott McClellan was sent in his stead.


Poe said the White House letter dated Monday showed the disconnect between the administration and the American people who want the border secured.


The president would appreciate the opportunity to visit with border sheriffs, said the White House letter written by La Rhonda M. Houston, deputy director of the Office of Appointments and Scheduling. Regrettably, it will not be possible for us to arrange such a meeting. I know that you understand with the tremendous demands of the president's time, he must often miss special opportunities, as is the case this time.


Rick Glancey, spokesman for the sheriffs coalition, said its members are angry and disappointed in the president's response. Glancey said Bush's recent tour of the border with Border Patrol spokesmen did not reflect the reality of what locals live with every day.


It's a slap in the face to the hardworking men and women on the front lines of rural America who every day engage in border-security issues, Glancey said. He missed the opportunity to take off his White House cowboy boots and put some real cowboy boots on and walk in our shoes for a few minutes.


The border hearings will expose the truth to the American public and force the administration to take a serious look at the border, said Allan Knapp, Poe's legislative director.


Knapp and Poe have traveled twice to the border this year, spending time along barren stretches where they witnessed no security and numerous migrants crossing into the United States, they said.


We need to expose the lack of border security before it is too late, Poe said. We're fighting a war on terror in Iraq and we're winning, but we're losing our own border war. These hearings will be a necessary step in the right direction.


Andy Ramirez, chairman of the Chino-based Friends of the Border Patrol, said he has been called to testify before the panel in San Diego. Ramirez said he has turned in two years of Border Patrol documents and memos, which he will discuss before the committee.


The president has basically pushed his whole administration's agenda toward the war on terror, yet he can't find the time to meet with law-enforcement leaders responsible for border security, Ramirez said. It is appalling and outrageous that the war on terror and border security does not extend to the U.S. border.


Maybe you should read a little closer
Many of "these people" DID give her credit - but then expectations were SO LOW for her she didn't have to do much to look good.

and for the record, "she won the debate" is YOUR opinion, not mine and many others.

There was NO CLEAR winner - they both did a good job for *their* side. But at least BIDEN could and would answer the questions - and also pointed out many of HER statements were not factual... He also made clear that at least BUSH policies would not continue if he and Obama take the election.

If you want to obscure what your REAL agenda is, you duck the questions, keep repeating your mantra, and wink, and smile, and smirk. As I said, she did a fine job.


Biracials probably come a whole lot closer to
immenently more equipped than you are to comment on Obama's racial identity journey. With all the bias you are exhibiting, no way anybody can consider your opinions about "how Obama thinks" credible...and your ability to interpret his books...nonexistent. These books were written for progressive thinking, open minded readers.

I am unable to offer further comment in the absence of a McCain-speak incoherence translator.

By the way, he was not a teen when he wrote the books. He was on the threshold of his teenage years when he embarked on his journey.
LOL. You really should keep closer track of
the news and the economy.
Dubai may take over some US weapons plants

Doesn't this just give you a warm fuzzy?


Dubai's $1.2 Bln Bid for U.S. Weapons Maker Delayed (Update2)


By James Cordahi

March 20 (Bloomberg) -- Dubai, which agreed this month to sell its interest in U.S. ports, said its $1.2 billion takeover of a U.K. company with U.S. plants that make military equipment is delayed while the authorities investigate security concerns.


Dubai International Capital LLC, which is owned by the government of the Persian Gulf emirate, and Doncasters Group Ltd. agreed to delay the transaction by as many as two months from March 31 while government agencies review the purchase, Sameer Al Ansari, Dubai International's chief executive, said in an interview today.


``After what happened with Dubai Ports, the government is looking at this deal more closely,'' Al Ansari said after a press conference in Dubai announcing an agreement with HSBC Holdings Plc.


Dubai's bid may ignite a similar political furor in the U.S. to that the emirate's purchase of London-based Peninsular & Oriental Steam Navigation Co. caused last month when DP World had to agree to sell interests in six U.S. terminals. Revenue from Doncasters' nine U.S. plants, which make parts for tanks and military aircraft, account for about 40 percent of total sales.


The derailing of the ports plan was a setback for President George W. Bush, who was rebuffed by fellow Republicans and stung by polls that showed strong public opposition to the sale. Dubai is one of seven sheikdoms making up the United Arab Emirates, from where two of the hijackers involved in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks came.


The Committee on Foreign Investment, a federal body which considers the sale of U.S. assets to foreign companies, started a more detailed 45-day investigation into the Doncasters agreement at the end of February, said Al Ansari.


Al Ansari declined to comment on whether the transaction will go through.


Dubai Investments


Dubai International last year spent $1 billion for a stake in DaimlerChrysler AG and 800 million pounds ($1.4 billion) for Tussauds Group, owner of London's Madame Tussauds waxworks museum.


Doncasters, which is based in Melbourne, England, has plants in Rincon, Georgia; Groton, Connecticut, and other U.S. sites. Its customers include Boeing Co. and General Electric Co., according to information on its Web site.


Gulf Arab governments, flush with record oil revenue, are spending billions of dollars on companies from South Korea to the U.S.


Kuwait's state-controlled PWC Logistics, which won a U.S. military contract last year worth as much as $14 billion to feed troops in Iraq, agreed in July to buy Santa Ana, California-based GeoLogistics Corp. for $454 million. GeoLogistics is an international freight management company with operations in more than 100 countries, according to its Web site.



To contact the reporter on this story:
James Cordahi in Dubai at cherifcord@bloomberg.net

Last Updated: March 20, 2006 06:35 EST


I have noticed that the closer we get to Tuesday -

The closer we get to the actual election day, the less the republicans are talking about their plan and how it would be better and shifted their focus entirely to talking about how bad Obama is and how horrible his plan would be.


I also seemed to notice that a few weeks ago when McCain left Obama out of it for a couple of days and focused on the real issues that he started gaining in the polls.  It seems to me if the campain cannot even understand that the issues are what people want to hear about and run a campaign based on the issues, then how can you expect them to be able to run the United States of America the way it needs to be run?


Yeah, and Hamas weapons also
they can sneak in through their tunnels from Iran, and I think we know the technololgy from Iran is a little more sophisticated than you are admitting. Not to mention the fact that they are embedding themselves into the civilian population in Gaza thereby holding them as hostages and using them for the rest of the world to say the very things you are saying. It sounds to me like you are so disgusted with the US, you may consider leaving and joining the Hamas yourself since they are so great in your eyes.
Getting closer to July 4. Here's what NK groups are saying










This is a little long but it's 2 articles. Sounds like they are getting pumped up and ready for a fight. Funny, I don't remember 2 million troops fighting in the Korean War. Anybody else? 

 

"Workers and GFTUK Members Meet to Protest against U.S. Imperialists













Pyongyang, June 24 (KCNA) -- Workers and members of the General Federation of Trade Unions of Korea held a meeting on the bank of the River Taedong where the monument to the sinking of the U.S. ship of aggression "General Sherman" stands and the U.S. imperialist armed spy ship "Pueblo" is anchored on Tuesday on the occasion of the "June 25 the Day of the Struggle against U.S. Imperialism."

A reporter and speakers at the meeting recalled that the sworn enemy U.S. imperialists stretched the tentacles of aggression to Korea from more than a century ago and ignited a war of aggression to destroy the young DPRK in its cradle on June 25, 1950.


The Korean war was the most brazen-faced and brigandish war of aggression in the world history of wars and a savage war of genocide baffling the human imagination, they said.


Noting that the U.S. imperialists have imposed all sorts of misfortune and sufferings upon the Korean people during the history, they declared that should the U.S. imperialists ignite a war again, the army and people of the DPRK will fully mobilize the nation's capability for self-defence built in every way under the Songun leadership of Kim Jong Il, illustrious commander of Mt. Paektu, and wipe out the aggressors in this land to the last one and achieve the historic cause of national reunification.


They stressed the need for the workers and the members of the GFTUK to protect Kim Jong Il, who represents the destiny of the country and the nation, politically and ideologically at the cost of their lives and glorify the ever-victorious history of Songun Korea with the might of single-minded unity more powerful than a nuclear weapon, united closer around the headquarters of the revolution.


A letter of protest was read out at the meeting."


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Agricultural Workers Vow to Take Revenge upon Enemy













Pyongyang, June 24 (KCNA) -- A meeting of agricultural workers was held outside the Class Education Hall in Kaesong City on Tuesday to vow to take revenge upon the enemy on the occasion of "June 25, the day of the struggle against U.S. imperialism".

Kang Chang Uk, chairman of the Central Committee of the Union of Agricultural Workers of Korea, made a report at the meeting.


Speeches were made there.


Kang and the speakers said that the Korean war launched by the U.S. imperialists was the most brazen-faced and brigandish war of aggression to suffocate the DPRK and reduce the whole of Korea to their colony.


They condemned the thrice-cursed atrocities committed by the U.S. imperialists, recalling that they hurled more than two million troops including their aggressor forces and a huge quantity of war hardware into the Korean war, indiscriminately killing innocent people and reducing the cities, farm villages, industrial establishments, schools and hospitals to ashes.


They declared that the army and people in the DPRK will get fully prepared to go into action and would turn out to defend the country to the last in a do-or-die spirit, should the U.S. imperialists intrude into their fertile land even an inch.


The servicepersons and people in the DPRK will remain unfazed in face of any sanctions and blockade of the U.S. imperialists and are sure to win as long as they are under the leadership of Kim Jong Il, illustrious commander of Mt. Paektu, and have invincible military power and their single-minded unity."



 


And plenty of American-made weapons!

It's a shame when the only place you can find "Made in the USA" any more is on weapons!


http://rawstory.com/news/2008/CNN_U.S._weapons_create_Gaza_civilian_0102.html


 


Secret service has said "yes" they do have these weapons...
I agree, the U.S. should nEVER stick their nose in any country's business as far as I am concerned; however, with Obama, it is no secret he has never stayed silent with the asian countries but has bowed his way through the muslim countries.... O lovers can think what they want but O is Muslim, will always be Muslim, and that's that....don't really care what anyone else thinks...his silence speaks volumes. O says he wants to "reach out" to the muslim world... well folks, this is his chance to just say something. He doesn't have to interfere and shouldn't.

Don't worry about your precious Obama..... he has no power whatsoever. He is nothing more than a little puppet being pulled by very elite people.... how else do you think he was elected? Sure as heck not because he's qualified!!!

Mousavi is like choosing between bad and evil.... either way, those folks are screwed!! BTW, we should NEVER be involved with the UN. We don't need other countries to decide for us what we should and should not do....

And when you're paying through your nose in Obama's taxes for your wonderful government controlled life, see how much you love him then! And, yes, he will screw you over too!
US program unveils man behind Iraq weapons story sm


Reuters
U.S. program unveils man behind Iraq weapons story





Thu Nov 1, 7:12 PM ET



NEW YORK (Reuters) - An Iraqi defector made up his claim that Saddam Hussein had biological weapons, a threat cited by the Bush administration as a key reason for the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003, the U.S. news program "60 Minutes" said on Thursday.


Rafid Ahmed Alwan, codenamed "Curve Ball" in intelligence circles, claimed to be a chemical engineering expert but was instead an accused thief and a mediocre student, the program said. He arrived at a German refugee center in 1999.


"To bolster his asylum case and increase his importance, he told officials he was a star chemical engineer who had been in charge of a facility at Djerf AL Nadaf that was making mobile biological weapons," "60 Minutes" said in a statement.


President George W. Bush and senior U.S. officials argued that Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was harboring weapons of mass destruction that threatened the security of the United States.


But no such weapons have been found and what was supposed to have been a short U.S. engagement in Iraq is now in its fifth year, with more than 3,800 U.S. soldiers and tens of thousands Iraqis killed.


"60 Minutes" said it found an arrest warrant for Alwan in relation to a theft from the Babel television production company in Baghdad where he once worked. It said he studied chemical engineering at university but got low marks.


The report, a culmination of a two-year investigation by journalist Bob Simon, is due to be broadcast on the CBS network on Sunday.


"The (then) CIA director George Tenet gave Alwan's information to Secretary of State Colin Powell to use at the U.N. in his speech justifying military action against Iraq," "60 Minutes" said.


That was, the program said, despite a letter from German intelligence officials saying that although Alwan appeared to be believable, there was not evidence to verify his story.


"Through a spokesman, Tenet denies ever seeing the letter," "60 Minutes" said.


"Alwan was caught when CIA interrogators were finally allowed to question him and confronted him with evidence that his story could not be as he described it," the program said.


"Weapons inspectors had examined the plant at Djerf al Nadaf before the fall of Baghdad and found no evidence of biological agents."


Actually, Hillary Clinton's healthcare plan was closer...sm
to socialized medicine than Obama's. Obama will keep private insurance companies and subsidize your premium if you earn below a certain amount. Also, there will be provisions where you can take your insurance with you if you change jobs, encourage preventative care, etc. For more detail check out this link.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
Air Force chief: Test weapons on US citizens before using on enemies.





Air Force chief: Test weapons on testy U.S. mobs




WASHINGTON (AP) -- Nonlethal weapons such as high-power microwave devices should be used on American citizens in crowd-control situations before being used on the battlefield, the Air Force secretary said Tuesday.


The object is basically public relations. Domestic use would make it easier to avoid questions from others about possible safety considerations, said Secretary Michael Wynne.


If we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation, said Wynne. (Because) if I hit somebody with a nonlethal weapon and they claim that it injured them in a way that was not intended, I think that I would be vilified in the world press.


The Air Force has paid for research into nonlethal weapons, but he said the service is unlikely to spend more money on development until injury problems are reviewed by medical experts and resolved.


Nonlethal weapons generally can weaken people if they are hit with the beam. Some of the weapons can emit short, intense energy pulses that also can be effective in disabling some electronic devices.


On another subject, Wynne said he expects to choose a new contractor for the next generation aerial refueling tankers by next summer. He said a draft request for bids will be put out next month, and there are two qualified bidders: the Boeing Co. and a team of Northrop Grumman Corp. and European Aeronautic Defence and Space Co., the majority owner of European jet maker Airbus SAS.


The contract is expected to be worth at least $20 billion (&euro15.75 billion).


Chicago, Illinois-based Boeing lost the tanker deal in 2004 amid revelations that it had hired a top Air Force acquisitions official who had given the company preferential treatment.


Wynne also said the Air Force, which is already chopping 40,000 active duty, civilian and reserves jobs, is now struggling to find new ways to slash about $1.8 billion (&euro1.4 billion) from its budget to cover costs from the latest round of base closings.


He said he can't cut more people, and it would not be wise to take funding from military programs that are needed to protect the country. But he said he also incurs resistance when he tries to save money on operations and maintenance by retiring aging aircraft.


We're finding out that those are, unfortunately, prized possessions of some congressional districts, said Wynne, adding that the Air Force will have to take some appetite suppressant pills. He said he has asked employees to look for efficiencies in their offices.


The base closings initially were expected to create savings by reducing Air Force infrastructure by 24 percent.












 
 







 
Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/12/usaf.weapons.ap/index.html

An John McCain supported the secret sale of weapons...sm
to Iran during Iran/Contra to raise money to support the contras in Nicaragua (sp)when Congress refused to fund them. Talk about criminal activity. IRAN I am telling you, Iran! McCain thinks it is OK to keep you and I in the dark and take us from a democracy to a fascist nation for our "own good". Several republican presidents in my lifetime have been guilty of this. We do need fixing. I do not envy anyone who gets elected. I think I would run the other way. It is not going to be easy, but I have hope with Obama and do not trust John McCain.
I will remember that one...if you remember...thou shalt not kill. nm
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This post really makes me WANT to vote for Obama. I am undecided, but this pushes me closer to Obama
...Thanks for the info!
Oh my! I remember him well. I remember we used to call him...sm
tricky d!ck. He lost the election when he appeared at the first television debate against JFK, slam dunk! He was a very crafty, evil man in my opinion and the latest news reinforces my opinion even more. It was so interesting that he eventually did become president years later and proved to be a disgrace to the presidency.
try to pay attention okay?

You said, Truman and Kennedy and even Johnson were real Democrats, not like those of today.  And I said the same holds true for republicans.  I was answering your post to show you it goes both ways.  Got it now?


just your attention
she wants your ATTENTION good or bad, happy or sad, so desperately lonely so desperately lonely.
pay attention.......... NDC
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You need to pay attention
Earlier this year, Obama HAS voted to raise taxes on the middle class. The democrats squawk on about raising taxes on the rich but the democrats believe the middle class ARE the rich. WHere have you been? Under a rock?

Obama and Clinton voted to raise taxes on the MIDDLE CLASS....a 3 TRILLION DOLLAR TAX BLUEPRINT...where the democrats were throwing the tax thing out there to see if they could get enough votes on their little UNDER THE TABLE agenda. Under this any individual making over 31K and couples making more than 63K would be TAXED TAXED TAXED!!

Oh how you know only what you want to know!!
You really don't pay attention to what O is doing
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Well...if you would pay attention

they have blacked out the information that they got in those memos for national security reasons.  You know....I would be curious to see what you would say if you found out that your life was actually one of the ones saved by "torturing" terrorists.


As far as I'm concerned, you behead Americans that you capture, than the people we capture of yours can be subjected to anything we want and to he!! with you.....but that is just me.


I'm trying to pay attention but

The Jordan Times has his whole speech written up and I don't see those words there.


I did see some very interesting things, though, when he talked about Islam, religion, Muslins, etc. 


http://www.jordantimes.com/?news=17273


 


If you had an attention span, you'd know.

right, Sam. The nutcases who want attention.
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Too bad you didn't pay attention.
The bill failed because 90% of Americans were not behind it. The switchboards in the House and Senate were lit up like Christmas trees with people phoning in to encourage their elected officials to kill the bill. The Democrates did not even support the bill, and they had more than enough votes to accomplish that if they wanted.

I'm not surprised you think Bill Maher is funny. He replaced his brain with his anus ages ago and nobody seemed to notice. But, hey, he sure looked swell on that episode of Murder She Wrote. Yeah, he's the go-to guy for unbiased political commentary.
Pay close attention to what's NOT being said
This is a big story because imagine if that had happened to another presidential or vice-presidential candidate, that members of their follow church members were murdered in seperate killings.

Not even a liberal journalist can find ONE time Obama spoke about this while he was in that church. He has NEVER demanded more be done to find the killers. It's more like out of sight, out of mind.

Remember Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian leader.....he says there are NO gays in his country. Right!!

Since Obama is from a strong Muslim background, just makes me wonder what his true feelings are on this matter.
No, I just pay attention to character, not
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ATTENTION POSTERS

There are way too many personal attacks, foul language and abusive posts going on here. 


Read the sticky above.  Also read that it is NOT saying to write whatever you want on here. 


We're getting loaded with report after report after report to delete messages from this board. 


Back off and take it easy on people.  Absolutely NO MORE personal attacks.  You don't have to like a candidate, but that doesn't make the poster who does any less of person nor do they deserve to be attacked or belittled or called names. 


The same is true for those that are reporting absolutely every little thing on here.  Read the sticky.  Beware of flaming in these posts.  If you are too sensitive to be on a political board, then please don't read the posts. 


I think that if you truly paid attention

to the complaints on this board, you would realize that what we are complaining about is not the fact that our money is going to government programs to help people who need it.  Most of us are upset because these government programs are being abused and misused by dishonest people who would much rather not work and be lazy just to receive government assistance.  I have no problem helping people who need it.  I think Clinton did a good thing by reforming welfare and I think it is a shame that Obama is undoing that.  Welfare is supposed to be a hand up.....not a hand out.


Not wanting to help people in need is not the issue here and I wish that you guys could understand that.  We aren't being heartless here.  We are just sick and tired of people mooching off of the government when they could work and make a living for themselves.


If the dishonest people who are abusing the system could be taken out of the welfare equation, just think of the extra money we would have to really help those in need.  Think about it.


Then you need to pay attention to the fact that
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It's even more interesting when you pay attention...(sm)

In my post below this I did address dems (Pelosi)....and I quote:


"If we lose a couple dems in the process, well, then so be it.  If they were in on it, then they need to go anyway."


However, now that you mention it, as far as calling Pelosi a liar or Pelosi saying that the CIA lied, well, that would be hard for any of us to do as I'm pretty sure none of us were in that meeting to verify what was said......except (of course) trigger happy.  I'm assuming she was there as she seems to know exactly who is and who isn't lying. 


You don't pay very close attention then do you?
O'Reilly has defended Obama on many occasions, trying to find some middle ground as to why he has done or not done some things.

He isn't far right by any means but on the other hand, there's nothing wrong with wanting to preserve our constitution as written.


If he's so far right conservative, it's funny then how FOX news has run circles around all the other news outlets in the ratings. Even adding all of the others' ratings together, FOX news still trumps them big time. That means all the liberal idjits out there are losing ground big time. Those MSNBC/NBC/CNN hate mongerers out there are losing ground big time.

Could it be folks are finally realizing Obama isn't living up to all those promises? It's finally starting to dawn on them this isn't the man for the job. The ratings are proof positive people in this country are ready to hear the truth, not the far left immoral agenda....
have you been paying attention
to the differences between what he said and what he does on other issues. things like (Paraphrased) "I don't want to be in the business of running car companies." ".....won't see any new taxes of any kind." "taxing health care benefits would be wrong." I think when you say when thing and do another that is a lie and it is manipulative.
You really must not have been paying attention
Other than a very brief period about 8-1/2 years ago, the divide in the country has been growing larger for about the last 10 years...surely you did not think we had national unity back in the Clinton years, did you? How about the 8 years of Bush the Younger? Frankly, other than a few of the more vociferous 'radical right' pundits, the country is not doing too bad. The moderates and independents have not chimed in yet as they realize that it's going to take longer than 150 days to clean up the mess left when the keys were handed to the POTUS. So far, the only people truly divided are the extremes, and, frankly, I tend to be happier when I'm catered to in the middle since we're so often forgotten.