Obama did say he would send more troops to Afghanistan while he was campaigning - nm
Posted By: Amanda on 2009-04-29
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Obama on his decision to deploy additional 17,000 troops in Afghanistan..sm
"There is no more solemn duty as President than the decision to deploy our armed forces into harm's way," Obama said. "I do it today mindful that the situation in Afghanistan and Pakistan demands urgent attention and swift action."
I am sure the troops in Afghanistan would be interested to know they are not there.
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Obama has been campaigning since...
his address to the DNC how many years ago? That argument does not hold water.
When Presidents multitask, they need to prioritize. What is more important to you, as an American holding a 700 billion bag potentially? A debate and presidential campaign, or getting this fixed before the economy tanks? What should your president's priority be in a case like that? This is a crisis unlike anything we have seen.
are you honestly saying that a campaign trumps the financial crisis? Are you actually saying you are comfortable with a President who would make that decision?
Obama/Afghanistan
Obama stated many, MANY times during his campaign that we need to focus on Afghanistan and that he would send more troops there if he was elected president. He said it was a mistake to put our resources into Iraq when bin Laden most likely was hiding out in the Afghanistan/Pakistan border somewhere.
Obama didn't even stop campaigning to mourn
I'm with you -- it's ridiculous to think we need a moratorium on this board.
It will just transfer to Afghanistan. Obama has already said...
we need more troops in Afghanistan. McCain agrees. Obama also says now that to just pull everyone out of Iraq would not be the thing to do. McCain agrees. So as far as the war goes...we are still going to be fighting in both places as we gradually withdraw...and those withdrawn from Iraq are going to be sent to Afghanistan. That is what they are both saying.
Thanks to Obama? Get Real. He didn't send jobs overseas....
Most MT companies will not offshore work. Most hospitals and large clinics DEMAND that their work not be sent overseas. Unfortunately, you have those that LIE and I worked for an MT company that sent overload work to India. It was indeed, unfortunate, as the quality was horrible. But, I've trained plenty of MTs who were just as bad with "supposed" experience. They could pass a test, they just couldn't work accurately consistently. I blame that on the "production pay system." I learned MT when they used to respect you and paid you by the hour. There was no demand on HOW MUCH as long as it was COMPLETELY accurate.
Obama is calling for keeping troops in Iraq....
for how long he does not say, but that we need MORE in Afghanistan. He does not differ from McCain on that stance. Diplomacy does not work with terrorists (the Taliban were in charge there when bid Laden was parading around in the open after 9-11). Taliban = terrorists. With all due respect...you cannot negotiate with terrorists. Do you remember the horrific images of 9-11? I do. Of the Khobar Towers bombing? I do. The first World Trade Center bombing? I do... the bombing of the marine barracks in beirut? I sure remember those images.
Obama also voted not to fund troops in combat....
It should be apparent to all of us by now that whatever you can find on one politician you can find on another... :)
http://www.johnmccain.com/informing/news/PressReleases/454ad652-5f6d-4cb1-808d-d52a8aa6f4ac.htm
Obama sends more troops to the middle east
Obama sends 17,000 more troops to Afghanistan.
Obama's campaign speech: "As President of the United States I will start withdrawing troops from the middle east within 60 days of taking office".
Why am I surprised?
Everytime he speaks all I can hear is that Thompson Twin song "Lies"
Lies, lies, lies, yeah
Lies, lies, lies, yeah
Lies, lies, lies, yeah
I didn't send you anywhere. Can't send you anywhere that...
doesn't exist can I? This is all academic isn't it? And even if it did exist, I don't have the power to send you anywhere. That being said, I have a somewhat different opinion of the bad place with fire and stuff than some....but that is another story....lol.
Someone should tell him he won...why is he still campaigning every day
He's not campaigning...(sm)
He's letting the people of this country know where he stands and what he's doing. He has said numerous times he wants the government to be transparent. This is what it looks like.
I find it rather refreshing after 8 years in the dark. If all else fails, there's always the remote.
Sarah is still campaigning...(sm)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/28/sarah-palin-political-action-committee
I soooo hope she runs in 2012. How about Rush/Palin 2012.....ROFL....
In your mind he should stop campaigning?
Evil, evil mind
I disagree. The republicans are still campaigning...sm
and rehashing the same old points. As a whole, I do not think the democrats are bitter, but rather hopeful and filled with joy, willing to extend a hand across the aisle, but the republicans are still trying to win us over to their way of thinking and keep trashing the man we voted for and is now the president elect. The man has not even taken office yet and criticism of his presidency has very prematurely begun. Give the guy a change for goodness sake.
I seriously hope she's not campaigning for 2012.
I think that would be a huge mistake on her part. I think she over-estimates her popularity.
I think you know exactly what I meant by leaving Afghanistan. nm
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That might have worked, if all the terrorists were in Afghanistan. nm
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CNN video coming out of Afghanistan should
the human cost of war and consequences of our foreign policies. It is too bad that it took an election campaign to prompt the media to abandon previous censorship of these images. If we can wage wars and perpetuate policies that bring this kind of unfathomable misery and human suffering down on village civilains(who up until now have carried the monolithic media moniker of "collateral damage") then I believe it is the media's job to report this side of the story and present these images every single time they occur.
The Vietnam war was the first televised war. The images that visited our living rooms nightly during the evening newcast compelled Americans with a conscience to oppose that war and call for its end. Better late than never, I guess, but who knows what kind death and destruction could have been prevented on both sides of the conflict if we had access to these images all along?
As a postscript observation, the images show us exactly why the tradition why diplomacy matters. Some of us have been following this side of the story for years now. For those voters, the war and the absence of EFFECTIVE international diplomacy and alliance building strategies are every bit as focal as the national issue of the economy.
Grim Appraisal of War in Afghanistan
National Security Team Delivers Grim Appraisal of War in Afghanistan
Monday 09 February 2009
by: Craig Whitlock, The Washington Post
Munich - President Obama's national security team gave a dire assessment Sunday of the war in Afghanistan, with one official calling it a challenge "much tougher than Iraq" and others hinting that it could take years to turn around.
U.S. officials said more troops were urgently needed, both from America and its NATO allies, to counter the increasing strength of the Taliban and warlords opposed to the central government in Kabul. They also said new approaches were needed to untangle an inefficient and conflicting array of civilian-aid programs that have wasted billions of dollars.
"NATO's future is on the line here," Richard C. Holbrooke, the State Department's special envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan, told attendees at an international security conference here. "It's going to be a long, difficult struggle.... In my view, it's going to be much tougher than Iraq."
Army Gen. David H. Petraeus, head of the U.S. Central Command, said the war in Afghanistan "has deteriorated markedly in the past two years" and warned of a "downward spiral of security."
In addition to more combat troops, Petraeus called for "a surge in civilian capacity" to help rebuild villages, train local police forces, tackle corruption in the Afghan government and reduce the country's thriving opium trade. He also suggested that the odds of success were low, given that foreign military powers have historically met with defeat in Afghanistan.
"Afghanistan has been known over the years as the graveyard of empires," he said. "We cannot take that history lightly."
The White House is conducting a strategic review of the war in Afghanistan and says it will unveil the results before NATO holds a 60th-anniversary summit in early April.
Obama administration officials have said they expect to send 30,000 more U.S. troops to Afghanistan, bringing the total U.S. deployment there to about 66,000. U.S. allies have a combined 32,000 troops in Afghanistan operating under NATO command. NATO officials have pressed European members of the alliance to send more, but few countries have been willing.
Germany, which has 3,500 troops in Afghanistan, the third most of any country, has questioned the need for more combat forces. Defense Minister Franz Josef Jung said more attention should be paid to training Afghan forces and to reconstruction projects.
"We won't win with military alone," he said at the conference. "There will be no development without security. But without development, we won't have security, either."
The debate over troops has led to a split within NATO. Jaap DE Hoop Scheffer, NATO's secretary general, told conference attendees on Saturday that European members of the alliance needed to do more of the "heavy lifting" in Afghanistan.
British Defense Secretary John Hutton openly disagreed with his German counterpart, saying the need for more combat troops was the highest priority in Afghanistan. Reconstruction efforts, he said, would fail if the Taliban remains strong.
"We kid ourselves if we imagine that other contributions right now are of the same value, because they're not," he said. Britain has 8,900 troops in Afghanistan and has said it will probably send more.
Afghan President Hamid Karzai said his country had made large strides since the U.S.-led military invasion in 2001. He said Afghanistan was home to a thriving free press, 17 universities, and schools for thousands of girls who had been barred by the Taliban from receiving an education. In 2001, he said, Afghanistan had no paved roads; now it has 2,500 miles of new highways.
U.S. officials said one of the thorniest problems in Afghanistan is its flourishing drug trade, which accounts for an estimated 90 percent of the world's heroin supply. But Karzai, who faces reelection in August, dismissed portrayals of Afghanistan as being run by drug barons.
"Yes, we produce poppies. Yes, we are insecure because of that," he said. "Are we a 'narco-state,' as we've been called the past few years? No, we are not."
Karzai said the only way to bring stability to Afghanistan is to eventually negotiate a deal with the Taliban. He also blamed Afghanistan's slow recovery on a lack of coordination among donor countries.
U.S. and European officials agreed that poor coordination is a major obstacle. "I've never seen anything remotely resembling the mess we've inherited," Holbrooke said.
But some officials suggested the Afghan government was also responsible.
Brent Scowcroft, national security adviser to President George H.W. Bush, cited a fumbled attempt by the United Nations last year to name Paddy Ashdown, a British diplomat, as the overseer of international aid projects in Afghanistan. Ashdown's appointment was torpedoed by Karzai, who saw it as an infringement on Afghanistan's sovereignty.
Holbrooke replied that the Obama administration would revisit the idea of a development czar with Afghan officials. "The Paddy Ashdown fiasco - and there's no other word for it - really set back the international community."
Last week, in an open letter to Holbrooke published in the Times of London, Ashdown expressed some sympathy for "poor President Karzai" and said NATO members were chasing different goals in Afghanistan, depending on where their forces operate.
"The British think Afghanistan is Helmand, the Canadians think it's Kandahar, the Dutch think it's Uruzgan, the Germans think it's the Panjshir valley and the U.S. thinks it's chasing Osama bin Laden." He added, "Someone needs to bash heads together out there and if anyone can, you can."
Also Sunday, Vice President Biden held talks in Munich with Russian Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov, a day after Biden said the White House wanted to "press the reset button" in its relations with the Kremlin. Ivanov praised Biden's speech, telling reporters that it was "very positive," and adding: "It is obvious the new U.S. administration has a very strong desire to change."
Iraq is a Middle Eastern country, Afghanistan NOT..sm
So Obama said correctly, 'I will bring troops home from the Middle East (Iraq) and send more troops to
Afghanistan.
And that is what he is doing, NO LIES HERE.
They forgot to mention what it was for & Afghanistan was part of the trip-a lot for 1 wk
Indeed, in a February 17 article, the ANSA English Media Service reported (accessed from the Nexis database): "Since arriving in Italy on Saturday, Pelosi has visited the American air base at Aviano in northeast Italy and the American military cemetery in Florence and is due at the NATO Joint Forces Command in Naples Wednesday." Further, a February 19 press release issued by Pelosi's office stated: "Speaker Nancy Pelosi and the Congressional delegation today were briefed by U.S. Admiral Mark Fitzgerald, Commander of U.S. Naval Forces Europe and Africa, and Commander of Allied Joint Force Command Naples. Admiral Fitzgerald and his NATO staff provided information on NATO activities in the Balkans, the ongoing training of Iraqi Security Forces, and operations against pirates off the coast of Somalia." The release further stated: "On Saturday, Speaker Pelosi and the Congressional delegation visited Aviano Air Base where the Speaker pinned the Bronze Star Medal on Technical Sergeant Phoebus Lazaridis for extraordinary service in Afghanistan. The delegation paid their respects to the more than 4,400 American World War II soldiers buried at the Florence American Cemetery on the outskirts of Florence on Sunday."
On February 21, Pelosi released a statement about her trip to Afghanistan, in which she said, "For the past two days, I have led an eight Member House delegation to Afghanistan to visit U.S. troops," during which the delegation "met with U.S. military leaders, and the U.S. Diplomatic team in Kabul to better assess the best course of action to further our national security interests in preparation for the completion of President Obama's strategic review of the Afghanistan policy" and "met with Afghan President Hamid Karzai, who is sending his own advisors to Washington as part of the review process."
Afghanistan - war on Al Quaeda and Taliban; Iraqi FREEDOM - kill Saddam Hussein
Two different wars based on entirely different premises.........
Send some my way I'm going to need it
Will that be coming by FedEx or UPS. Ha ha ha. Actually I think I better go stock up on my own.
I'll try to send it again....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jlf---13Q0g
Wow -- did she send you a copy before
releasing it to the public? Someone else on here posted that you are very good paraphrasing, Sam, and I believe they are right. The book hasn't even been released yet, but you'll go with whatever tidbit you can find.
OK, send me his address
He SHOULD have been told this before he was enlisted as cannon fodder for the war mongerers who were planning this fake war BEFORE the Supreme coup gave them the WhiteHouse.
No one doubts your nephew's good intentions for serving in the military. IN FACT, WE SUPPORT him so much, that we think he ought not be used as BAIT to secure more riches for the military industrial complex.
PLEASE do some research: This 'war' was manufactured and worse, 9/11 should have been and COULD have been prevented. IF THEY HAD DONE THAT, HOWEVER, they would not have been able to inflame a nation to war with a country that never attacked us.
SHAME on Americans who believe WITHOUT verifying or thinking for themselves!
Then don't send them your money....nm
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send bush to
Iraq without all his body guards and see if he is so smug and smiley when another citizen of democracy goes for his shoes. Bush says that is what democracy is all about --- yet he always has US protestors cordoned off far away from where he speaks in this democracy. The biggest sissy-boy the country has ever been run into the ground by.
What, like maybe send you our tax money?
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Send me some recipes. We could use some
supplemental income, too.
I'd do better than that! I think I'd send the brown
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So you want to send a message to the terrorists.....
That Americans are all a bunch of corrupt liars who go unchecked and unpunished? I think that if you truly wanted to protect the American people that you would want dishonesty and corruption investigated. Guess not.
Yes, he is going to send "checks" to people who
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That doesn't give him the right to send it
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This is hysterically funny! Send to SNL!
funny
I will be happy to send you a dollar.
Just let me know where to send it. Gotta go now...it's almost time for sunset, and it looks like it's going to be fabulous!
The government didn't send them either.....sm
They sent themselves when they enlisted in the military. That is part and parcel of the job they signed up to do, and they did so willingly. The only "obligation" they have is that they love their country and want to serve America in the best way they could.
Yeah, right. Like he could really send his kids
I don't care if he sends his kids to the moon for school and it costs $900K per trip. Just so long as I don't have to look one more day at the current drooling, vacant-looking, substandard specimen of the human species occupying the Oval Office. Talk about a murky gene pool.
Thank you Amanda..besides, I think that if most parents could send their
child to private schools..and he and his wife are PAYING for it, so what is the problem??
OK then why didn't Clinton send Chelsea
to Mogadishu or Bosnia? See what nonsense you're spouting. You and Cindy Sheehan. Maybe Cindy will take up a real cause and move a few hundred miles East and do something worthwhile and help the hurricane victims, but I doubt it.
Voters Send a Pro-Choice message
I read this in my local paper this evening. The entire column is a bit too long to post, but I personally found it interesting. Some highlights:
In three states, abortion was literally on the ballot. In South Dakota, a ban amounting to outright criminalization of the procedure was defeated soundly, going down by a yawning margin in a deeply red state. In California and Oregon, voters turned back efforts to mandate parental involvement in abortions for teenagers -- it's the second time California has rejected the proposal.
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As Democrats seized control of the Senate, abortion-rights supporters gained ground. Incoming Sens. Sherrod Brown of Ohio, Jon Tester of Montana, Claire McCaskill of Missouri and Jim Webb of Virginia all support abortion rights. They all are set to replace anti-abortion Republicans -- and will vote in the chamber that decides on the fate of nominees to the Supreme Court.
In the House, at least 22 new pro-choice members are to replace lawmakers whose records were either anti-abortion or mixed on the issue, according to a count by NARAL Pro-Choice America. Final results in a few races still are unknown.
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In Arizona's 5th Congressional District, where anti-abortion Republican incumbent J.D. Hayworth was defeated by Democrat Harry Mitchell, residents received fliers mocking Hayworth's support for letting pharmacists who say they personally oppose contraception to refuse to fill birth-control prescriptions. ``Sleeping pills? I don't believe in sleeping pills,'' a genial-looking middle-aged man in a white coat says in the flier. ``Try counting sheep.'' Tying incumbents to the pharmacist-refusal issue, as well as to their widespread opposition to emergency contraception, showed these lawmakers to be precisely where they are: Outside the mainstream.
Any comments?
If those were my children, I would send them to private school too -
Can you imagine the nightmare of keeping those children safe now in a public school? The interruptions to scheduling and life the other children would have to go through every day to be able to go to school with the president's children?
I don't blame him one bit for putting his children in a private school! And yes, I know they were in private school before too and if he can afford it himself, then that is okay too. Don't subsidize private school for people with my money though...
I would rather send a bunch of brown envelopes..
against people like you showing how full of (insert word here) you are.
But Barack's mother decided to send her son, when he was 11
years old,back to Hawaii to her mother.
Since then Obama was educated in America.
So, you judge how much one cares by how many care packages they send??? sm
Well, I'm at a loss responding because you don't know what we do to support our troops, but if it makes you feel better to think you do more than everyone else, then do go on.
My uncle is over there and he has told me not send him anything else, he wants to come home.
Send Senator Howard Carroll your suggestions. sm
He is retired now. No, I do not think a flight instructor is a small job, but it is a weenie job when compared to a soldier doing a tour in a war zone.
Hey gourdpainter, did you send your stimulus check back?
Just wondering.
Please be right about taxing companies that send buisness overseas.
Wouldn't that be a jolt to the economy? I'd bet it would bring back at least half of the jobs lost to Mexico, India, and China. MTs would sure be in a slightly better position if it cost MTSOs more money to do business outside of the US than in it.
That would be a bill I would support - as long as they didn't attack so much pork to it!
Liberal news media won't cover it.... CNN did send a
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