Now that's a problem.

Posted By: sm on 2009-01-14
In Reply to: Yeah, and the closing of Gitmo could be disastrous. - -if you bother to look at the complications.nm

Living by the letter of our own laws (while putting ourselves out there as beacons of democracy and mentors to be emulated), innocent until proven guilty, burden of proof on the prosecution, due process that involves the simplest concept of bringing charges and the right to be heard on those charges, the right to counsel and to be represented, protection against indefinite detention and torture, humane conditions while imprisoned, habeas corupus, etcetera.

Complications to some, imperatives to others. It will be a proud day for all Americans when we once again walk the walk, not just talk the talk. After all, these are OUR laws and the detainees are OUR prisoners.

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That's 3 Obama's gotten right..(sm) - Just the big bad
- And the score is..... - Just me
  - Try again....(sm) - Just the big bad
    - Now, now...don't confuse them with FACTS. - Marmann
- Health insurance for children up to age 30... - sm
  - I cannot find anything that documents - your claim.
    - That's because it is pure hogwash. - Not an ounce of truth to it. nm
      - I found it. I just needed to change - my search parameters.
        Private insurance and SCHIPS not the same. - sm
        Ummm, the part about raising the coverage - age is about state funded insurance.
        Err, you mean the link to Commonwealth Fund report - a PRIVATE foundation? sm
        You don't know that under certain circumstances - SCHIP is used to cover adults?
        Yes, I know and agree with you. That's why - sm
      - No it's not. Use google, if you dare. Some states are raising the age to 30 - sm
        Ummm. Hello. Anybody home? SCHIPS is not private insurance. - FEDERAL guidelines have not changed and
        Umm, Hello? No one was talking about - private insurance.
        Err, yes they were. Better clean off those specs and - take another gander. sm
  - I do. Leaves the door wide open for blatant health care fraud.. - liberals won't want to acknowledge that though.
    - How? - Just Curious
    - I can acknowledge - sm
    - How about being a bit more specific? - SCHIPS is administered just like
      - I believe you just answered your own question - sm
        So are you seriously suggesting that - there is no (sm)
        I have no problem with health care for "children" - sm
        Hello. They are referring to PRIVATE insurance. - And no, I would not call that fraud. sm
        That article posted above was NOT about - private insurance.
        Might want to inspect the link source - and (sm)
  - Blatent lie is the only thing wrong with this picture. - jj
- Actually I don't think it's fair that smokers bear the brunt of paying for children's healt - ChiaPet
  - Let's stop funding Viagra... - Marmann
  - Smoking is way worse than junk food.......nm - GeorgieGirl
    - But that still doesn't say WHY smokers should pay for this whole program?? sm - ChiaPet
  - I am a smoker...(sm) - Just the big bad
    - I am glad you are not in charge of that - 2.4 billion! It is going
      - ALERT THE MEDIA!!!! - Just the big bad
        You need to look back a little further! - Then add'em all up. nm
        I am really flattered.....(sm) - Just the big bad
        Re: alert the media - woofer
        LOL.....(sm) - Just the big bad
        I wouldn't do such a thing to someone I like...whaddya think I am - a conservative? - woofer
    - It might be a good thing...........sm - m
      - And what happens when more smokers quit? Who is going to pay for the unfunded sm - ChiaPet
      - Bingo. Give that girl a prize. - jj
      - It probably wouldn't be fair...(sm) - Just the big bad
        I quit because it was expensive, so it might work for some... - Kendra
        4 bucks? We pay 6 in Texas. - nm
- It isnt that simple. What you do is the same as - false advertising, same as Obama.nm
  - Yes it is, no it's not and no he didn't. - jj
  - Yeah, and the closing of Gitmo could be disastrous. - -if you bother to look at the complications.nm
    - Now that's a problem. - sm
      - And this is OUR country, OUR America - How are you helping
        The people in the Bush admin that authorized - war crimes are who smeared our country.
        Oh, stop it. Hey, why dont we just give the terrorists - chocolate -they will give us info.. get real!

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