Not tolerant of people who mislead and slander, invent fiction and then say it's true.
Posted By: Hmmmmmmmmmmm on 2005-09-24
In Reply to: The tolerant party is often the least tolerant among us. - Have seen it time and time again. nm
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True Christians strive to be Christ-like, loving, tolerant...sm
nonjudgemental, understanding, washing the feet of the lowliest citizen, feeding the hungry, living life without always saying me, me, me. I could think of a lot of adjectives that would describe what being a Christian means to me but I am seeing none of that here from people whose greatest claim is that they are devout Christians. I hear only fear, lies, hate, biogotry and defensiveness instead of love, truth, hope and light in Jesus name.
Not tolerant of people who exploit God by using religion to lie and distort.
Which is what is being done in this thread by people who claim to know that Phil Donahue is an athiest, which is ridiculous.
But I already said that.
Thank you for providing such a crystal clear example of how you distort the words of others to fit your asinine, completely false, fabricated assumptions about others that you claim to be the *truth*.
Have a lovely day, sweetie, and SMILE. Life could be so sweet if you'd just let some truth enter it. 
Not tolerant of people who exploit God by using religion to lie and distort...
...which is what is being done in this thread by people who claim to know that Phil Donahue is an athiest, which is ridiculous.
But I already said that.
Thank you for providing such a crystal clear example of how you distort the words of others to fit your asinine, completely false, fabricated assumptions about others that you claim to be the *truth*. You have completely misjudged and mischaracterized the kind of person I am and adopted it as the truth.
I'm not angry with you. In fact, I pity you. It must be very difficult to be you and to constantly live in such a skewed reality, having such a limited ability to communicate with normal people who don't twist everything into a completely opposite meaning.
Have a lovely day, sweetie, and SMILE. Life could be so sweet if you'd just let some love and TRUTH enter your heart. I'll pray for you.
The tolerant party is often the least tolerant among us.
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You do mean McCain - your are being mislead
You have heard them both "field questions" and heard them both speak? Evidently it sounds like you only listen to one side and listen to only the radio/tv stations that are supporting McCain. I don't trust either of them, however, it is so blatently obvious that McCain has no idea what he is talking about. He is one step away from Alzheimer's and he should retired and go to a nursing home - not because of his age but because of his mental status (he is not on all thrusters and I don't trust anyone who keeps making as many mistakes as he does and then just says "oh it was a joke"). It doesn't matter how many years he's been on the senate. He can't even remember how he voted on an important issues. He's always floundering (not sure if I spelled that right). When he's talking about Iran he says Israel and vice versa. He has to constantly be corrected by the people close to him (Lieberman, etc) because he's said something that is incorrect. One of Obama's strong points (whether you like him or not because of his color, religion or whatever reason) but one of his strong points is that he CAN think on his own. He does not need speach writers and when he is asked a question he can answer it in a calm and collected manner, and know what he is talking about. McCain has to constantly look at his notes or a teleprompter and when asked something he is always scrambling around for an answer or he gives that goofy grin and blank look as though he's a deer caught in the headlights. Get off the Rev. Wright issue. My sister has been attending her church for years and she doesn't even know half of what they preach there. I've seen that at a lot of churches. And you know what...who cares. Rev. Wright will not be sitting on his cabinet. And what about Rev. Hague who is supporting John McCain. You think its okay for Rev. Hague and his hatred and biggotry is okay?
I also find it funny you use the party lines of "field questions" and "throw him under the bus". Those are the McCain party lines being spewed by Fox, CNN, Limbaugh, and other McCain supporters. You really need to listen to both sides and stop parroting what the media says (use your own words). And yes, McCain was in the senate. So was Obama. McCain was a POW. So what. Not saying he's not patriotic, but that does not qualify him to be a President because he was a POW. Also, if he cares so much about the troops why won't he do what is necessary to help them. Sounds like they are the ones who are going to get scr@wd in the end.
Agreed. And when it does mislead
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Fact vs. Fiction...Hopefully this will help!
read this today on MSN. Seems to spell out the wheat from the chaff.
NBC News and news services
updated 10:42 p.m. ET, Tues., Oct. 7, 2008
WASHINGTON - Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain stretched facts, sometimes past the breaking point, as they addressed the financial crisis and more during their second presidential debate.
Here are some examples:
McCAIN: Said one way out of the financial crisis is to "stop sending $700 billion a year to countries that don't like us."
THE FACTS: Although he didn't spell it out, he was referring ¡ª as he has in the past ¡ª to purchases of oil from countries hostile to the U.S. The figure is inflated and misleading. The U.S. is not spending nearly that much on oil imports and roughly one-third of what it does spend goes to friendly countries such as Canada, Mexico and Britain.
The Associated Press
OBAMA: "I believe this is a final verdict on the failed economic policies of the last eight years, strongly promoted by President Bush and supported by Senator McCain, that essentially said that we should strip away regulations, consumer protections, let the market run wild, and prosperity would rain down on all of us. It hasn't worked out that way. And so now we've got to take some decisive action."
THE FACTS: McCain has indeed favored less regulation over the years but supported tighter rules and accountability on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac two years before the start of a financial crisis prompted in part by those giant mortgage underwriters. Obama was not a leader in that unsuccessful effort. Some of the current problems can be traced to legislation passed in 1999 that lifted many regulations over the financial industry. That deregulation was championed by then-Sen. Phil Gramm, R-Texas, a McCain supporter, but also by President Clinton, who signed the legislation, and by former Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, now a top Obama economic adviser.
The Associated Press
McCAIN: In a jab at Obama, McCain said that the last president to raise taxes during difficult economic times was Herbert Hoover during the Great Depression.
THE FACTS: While the recession of the early 1990s didn't compare to the Great Depression, Bill Clinton raised taxes ¡ª which, as both Clintons like to remind everyone who will listen, led to the greatest economic expansion in the country's history.
NBC News' blog First Read
McCAIN: Said he would provide a $5,000 refundable tax credit for families to buy health insurance "rather than mandates or fines for small businesses as Senator Obama's plan calls for."
THE FACTS: Obama's health care plan does not impose mandates or fines on small business. He would provide small businesses with a refundable tax credit of up to 50 percent on health premiums paid on behalf of their employees. Also, large employers that do not offer meaningful coverage or contribute to the cost of coverage would be required to pay a percentage of payroll toward the costs of a public insurance plan. But small businesses would be exempt from that requirement.
The Associated Press
OBAMA: Said McCain's proposal to give people a tax credit in exchange for treating employers' health insurance contributions as taxable wages amounts to "what one hand giveth, the other hand taketh away."
THE FACTS: Obama's suggestion that McCain's health care plan is a wash for families is misleading. McCain offers families a $5,000 tax credit to help them buy health insurance. The corresponding increase in taxable wages would result in a much smaller cost than the value of the tax credit, at least at first. Over time, the value of the tax credit may diminish as premiums rise. However, the Tax Policy Center estimates that McCain's plan would increase the federal deficit by $1.3 trillion over 10 years ¡ª mainly because it would lead to less tax revenue coming in, meaning it is a true tax break overall.
The Associated Press
McCAIN: Went after Obama's ties to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, especially the campaign contributions Obama has received from their employees.
THE FACTS: What was missing? McCain mentioning the ties his own campaign manager had to both Fannie and Freddie. The New York Times reported that McCain campaign manager Rick Davis' firm received $15,000 per month through August from Freddie Mac. That followed other reporting that Davis received $30,000 per month to head up an advocacy group, the Homeownership Alliance, set up to defend Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to protect it from more government regulations.
NBC News' blog First Read
OBAMA: "Actually I'm cutting more than I'm spending so that it will be a net spending cut."
THE FACTS: Obama has many ambitious plans to spend more taxpayer dollars on a variety of federal programs, including clean energy technologies and job training. He's said he'll cut pork-barrel programs and the costs of the war in Iraq to pay for it ¡ª as well as raise taxes on the wealthy ¡ª but the specifics of his new spending plans greatly outweigh the few spending cuts he's identified.
The Associated Press
McCAIN: Said that Obama has voted to raise taxes 94 times.
THE FACTS: As fact-checkers have constantly pointed out, that is an exaggeration. Per Factcheck.org:
- 23 votes were for measures that would have produced no tax increase at all; they were against proposed tax cuts.
- 7 were in favor of measures that would have lowered taxes for many, while raising them on a relative few, either corporations or affluent individuals.
- 11 votes the GOP is counting would have increased taxes on those making more than $1 million a year ¡ª in order to fund programs such as Head Start and school nutrition programs, or veterans¡¯ health care.
- The GOP sometimes counted two, three and even four votes on the same measure. We found their tally included a total of 17 votes on seven measures, effectively padding their total by 10.
- The majority of the 94 votes ¡ª 53 of them, including some mentioned above ¨C were on budget measures, not tax bills, and would not have resulted in any tax change. Four other votes were non-binding motions related to conference report negotiations.
NBC News' blog First Read
McCAIN: Said Obama supported a congressional earmark of "$3 million for an overhead projector at a planetarium in Chicago, Ill. My friends, do we need to spend that kind of money?"
THE FACTS: McCain's phrase suggests Obama spent $3 million on an old-fashioned piece of office equipment that projects charts and text on a wall screen. In fact, the money was for an overhaul of the theater system, which projects images of stars and planets for educational shows at Chicago's Adler Planetarium. When he announced the $3 million earmark last year, Obama said the planetarium's 40-year-old projection system "has begun to fail, leaving the theater dark and groups of school students and other interested museum-goers without this very valuable and exciting learning experience."
The Associated Press
OBAMA: "We're spending $10 billion dollars a month in Iraq, at a time when the Iraqis have a $79 billion dollar surplus ¡ª $79 billion dollars."
Well, not quite. As Factcheck.org put it, "The country was once projected to have as much as a $79 billion surplus, but no more. The Iraqis have $29 billion in the bank, and could have $47 billion to $59 billion by the end of the year."
NBC News' blog First Read
you do realize it is fiction.
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Racist or fiction writer...
The duty of a writer is to illuminate his surroundings. Yeah, right, pull the other leg. Why not go into the operating room and witness a late-term abortion where the needle is stuck in a baby's head to suck his/her brains out? Illuminate THOSE surroundings. Try a little truth instead of morally bankrupt fiction? Because it would not sell books, that's why. In my mind, just because it is fiction does not excuse it. Frankly, the fact that it is in the mind at all is distrubing, but to put it on paper and market it for monetary gain...sorry, I find that morally bankrupt. But again...morality and values were lost to a great portion of the left years ago. I should not be surprised. As to the racism...no one should condone racism. On EITHER side. But since the left re-elects Sheets Byrd year after year after year, I don't know why George Allen should be that much of a problem for you, other than he seems to be a racist Republican vs a racist Democrat? Please to explain the difference and why Sheets gets a pass? And please do not use the old that was in the past stuff. It has not been that many years ago that Sheets committed a verbal gaff as well, to add to the many over the gazillion years he has been in the senate. The man is a lifelong racist, a card-carrying member of the KKK; you know it, I know it, and the people who keep electing him know it. Your protests against Allen seem very hollow.
Another work of fiction. This thing apparently had sm
a budget of more than 40 million. That is tons more than they spent on the investigation if you really want to call it an investigation. The 911 Commission report is most notable for its ommissions, not findings, 450 to be exact. The FBI has said bin Laden is not wanted for 911. The pressure for a new investigation is intense, so I guess at this point they will be willing to concoct anything - blame Clinton, gross military and political incompetance, etc, etc. The truth is in the abundant evidence, so those of us who already know will not be buying any of their hogwash.
so the choices were a racist or a fiction writer...sm
If you think Allen only said *macacca once* then you are naive, and I know you are not. He was only caught on camera once. His own friends said he was prejudiced in college and the *macacca* statement on the record is evidence he has not changed. The man had a noose in his office for Pete's sake.
Judging a candidate by his fiction writing. He claims, *It's not a sexual act, Webb told [radio host Mark] Plotkin regarding the Lost Soldiers excerpt. I actually saw this happen in a slum in Bangkok when I was there as a journalist.
The duty of a writer is to illuminate his surroundings.*
Is what he wrote tasteless - YES, but it was fiction. I will hold out on defending his writing just yet. I have not read the novel, but being an avid fiction reader there is no way I would try to judge a writers integrity or personality from what's in their novel.
No, that is not true. I don't believe only lazy people ask for help (sm)
and I am not a republican. I always vote for whichever candidate I agree with the most. To be honest, this year I am not happy with either choice. I will just decide who is going to be the least destructive and vote for him. The reason I said that is that you said you care about his Harvard degree, but you don't even know what he studied. So how can you speak so boldly? At least I am on here asking questions, of which you have answered none, even though you certainly have a nice vocabulary.
So true. I think some of these people have been shackled
Time to go outside and get a breath of fresh air.
So true. I think some of these people have been shackled
Time to go outside and get a breath of fresh air.
Not if it's true (for some people), and I'm beginning to believe it is. nm
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The true enemy of our troops are people like you. sm
The troops and their families are speaking about people like you right now on CSPAN. But, of course, you would not be able to handle what they are saying. Because they are speaking the truth.
So true - also, are these the same people who brought us the last 8 years?
and they want another free pass? I suspect the people supporting McCain were also all diehard Bush supporters. It would be interesting to see how they defend both who as per some are supposed to be on opposite sides now. how does that work now...
as far as democrats being represented, in all honesty I think they just probably move on because there is no debate, but trust me they are out there. it just gets tiresome being called names and being brow-beaten...
whenever I speak up (I am an independent) I usually get the attacks on myself personally, you know, I am naive, or like those people who think they are being so coy but are actually calling you stupid, or worse.
pretty soon we will have to change USA to DSA, the divided states of america.
not a tolerance from the right and too much separatism...
in my opinion
It is true for some people, but I don't think it is the majority anymore (sm)
I am white and have many friends who are different races and most of the white people I know, who do not know my other friends necessarily, are not racist. I know many white people who are voting for Obama. I also have a lot of black friends who tell me that a lot of their relatives, mostly older, are very prejudiced against white people. When will people realize that they should look at the person for who they are, not the color of their skin? But truly, I do not think it is any longer the majority who is racist. I think it is mostly older people who have the prejudices and that most people 40s and under are no longer racist, and those who are are generally very unintelligent people. By the way, I am from the deep south.
I do want people to be inspired and hopeful if it is true...sm
just don't want everyone to feel let down later.
Actually ANY slander is despicable, also in our
daily life.
and let's NOT forget personal slander
You all have directly slandered MT, and it shouldn't be tolerated in any form.
I'll hand your bog back to you and step aside.
Declawed here, but your sophmoric slander
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Another rightwing slander group. Is that all you got? nm
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Another leftwing slander group. Is that all you got?- sm
You have no proof whatsoever to back any of this up.
This is about as good as when they said she banned books from the library and one of those books was Harry Potter. What the leftwing forgot to remember was Harry Potter hadn't even been written yet when they said she banned it.
The leftwingers are in a frenzy to try and trash McCain & Palin because it's not looking to great for Obama and Biden. If Obama and Biden were so great and "everyone" wanted him as president he would be soaring ahead in the polls. But he's not. He's neck and neck and depending on which poll you read he's either ahead or behind by just a few points.
Does your Bible also teach you to lie and slander
You are misinformed about Islam and the Quran and the speech you use here is hateful. The Quran does not teach hate....people teach hate. Got it?
It is not slander. It is freedom of speech
Generally speaking, defamation is the issuance of a false statement about another person, which causes that person to suffer harm. Slander involves the making of defamatory statements by a transitory (non-fixed) representation, usually an oral (spoken) representation.Typically, the elements of a cause of action for defamation include:
- A false and defamatory statement concerning another;
- The unprivileged publication of the statement to a third party (that is, somebody other than the person defamed by the statement);
- If the defamatory matter is of public concern, fault amounting at least to negligence on the part of the publisher; and
- Damage to the plaintiff.
A defense recognized in most jurisdictions is "opinion". If the person makes a statement of opinion as opposed to fact, the statement may not support a cause of action for defamation. Whether a statement is viewed as an expression of fact or opinion can depend upon context - that is, whether or not the person making the statement would be perceived by the community as being in a position to know whether or not it is true
Example: A defense similar to opinion is "fair comment on a matter of public interest". If the mayor of a town is involved in a corruption scandal, expressing the opinion that you believe the allegations are true is not likely to support a cause of action for defamation.
Under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, as set forth by the U.S. Supreme Court in the 1964 Case, New York Times v Sullivan, where a public figure attempts to bring an action for defamation, the public figure must prove an additional element: That the statement was made with "actual malice". In translation, that means that the person making the statement knew the statement to be false, or issued the statement with reckless disregard as to its truth. For example, Ariel Sharon sued Time Magazine over allegations of his conduct relating to the massacres at the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps. Although the jury concluded that the Time story included false allegations, they found that Time had not acted with "actual malice" and did not award any damages.
I.E., what the poster stated was freedom of speech, not slander, libel or defamation of character. It is a known fact that O hung around with not-so-nice people until he ran for President. Is that slander? Nope.
The poster was giving an opinion. That is freedom of speech. If it was slander, O would have be having a lot of lawsuits on his hands towards all the people who have ever stated anything against him, which would probably be around 250,000,000....including me...out of 300,000,000 people living in the USA.
Tolerant and non-judgemental my a$$
and we don't have to be *tolerant* of libs
pushing their ideals down our throat or down our children's throats in public school either....
You do not seriously consider yourself tolerant of other views, do you?
what a joke.
No tolerant teachings at all.......
Their teaching...
The first sura of the Qur'an is an example of this. It is a short prayer that is repeated by devout Muslims each day and ends with these words:
Keep us on the right path. The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray. (1:6-7)
Muhammad was once asked if these words pertained to Jews and Christians. His response was, "Whom else?" (Bukhari 56:662).
Mighty tolerant huh? sm
No problem with gay marriage but religious prejudice up the butt.
California is my home state and I left because of BS like this.
Opine away, but when spreading vicious slander,
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Presenting 2 sides to a story is not slander.
Returning insults lobbed in the absence of substance when faced with uncontestable fact is hardly defamatory. Show some respect and engage in the points of debate and you just might get the same in return. If not, response in kind will hardly be basis for removing me from the board. You should know very well by now just how hot things can get around the kitchen tables in Palestine.
because slander is the 1st stage of violence and abuse...sm
the next step is physical abuse, the next is murder.
As it happens so often.
Wow what a loving, tolerant, and compassionate
little liberal you are...NOT. You just wished me dead. How sweet!
You should have stopped at Not Tolerant. Period.
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Yes, we know, not tolerant, perfectly describes
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Drew the sophomoric slander straight from you....your own words....
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if you accept and confuse slander as freedom of speech
I would not like to socialize with you.
I was talking about the slander that is going on on this board! Wake up, Patty!..nm
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wow, ignoramus, moron...REAL tolerant Melissa. Not. nm
great post by 'pen', ..tolerant and openminded, thanks!...nm
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Question....you tout yourself as open-minded and tolerant....
when are you going to start posting as such? Just curious. Not exactly tolerant and open-minded to make blanket statements about "pubs" when you certainly cannot POSSIBLY know or have talked to every single registered Republican in this country. And how do you know what political affiliation someone is? Do you decide based on how they feel about Barry from Chicago? I myself am registered Independent, and to quote from a post I have seen on this board before but which sums it up...because you have to register as something in this country to vote. I was a Republican once, but they have become Democrats lite. Yes, my politics would be considered conservative. I don't believe the Constitution is a "living" document. I believe is fine as the founders wrote it and not as the ACLU would like it to be re-written. I believe in God. I believe in a free country. I believe in capitalism. I believe in more power at the state level than the federal government level. To name a few. I certainly don't believe in socialism, in making people dependent upon the government for their every need. I believe in hard work as a means to bettering your situation, not handouts from the government paid for on the backs of those willing to work hard. To name just a few. What do YOU believe in besides Barry from Chicago?
freedom of speech excludes and stops at slander and foul language...sm
You are slandering the President of the United States out of ignorance, shame on you!
Where is this written in the Constitution that it is allowed to grossly insult the President?
Even if I disagree with the decisions of the President, I would NEVER slander him.
I am an independent, not a liberal, and I never slandered Bush, although I very much disagreed with him.
Therefore there are presidential elections set every 4 years, when we can elect another President, but we are disrespecting ourselves by slandering the President the majority of the population voted.
And you are calling yourselves
American citizens?
What a hypocrisy.
You are insulting the incumbent President of the United States of America and it is not even PROVEN that he made mistakes up until now. That you disagree with him, does not make it a mistakes from O's side. Or do you want to say that you are better qualified to be the President of the United States?
Can you all look into the future, like Nostradamus?
Glad to see you are so open-minded and tolerant of diversity, as your party proclaims.
I am not set in my ways, I have embrace some of the liberal notions although not enough to vote that way say far, and welcome INTELLIGENT debate and discussion. And I'm suppose to be from the party of intolerance and racism. I think you should reread some of your posts and see who is intolerant. I don't come here to poke fun at anybody on either side, I come here because I don't get much out of just agreeing with everybody, I like to hear different ideas and to debate the issues. But, I guess I could find another liberal board where some mature people hang out and I might be welcome to do that, instead of just reading stupid childish jokes and laughing with each other.
That's true - and Barack Obama is a true Patriot too.
Again we can agree to disagree. How John McCain has voted goes against everything I want as a President, but there are an equal number of people to me who feel opposite. That's the way it goes.
Your last comment brought to mind how true that is. Being a true patriot is not harmful in a candidate. John McCain is a patriot. So is Barack Obama.
So you and your daughter have no problem with people who wish for people and their children sm
to burn in hell, call people's children ugly, etc. etc. Well, you might not BE gt, but you might as well be. Even the liberals don't agree with gt, or hadn't you noticed? You might want to check that out and while you are at it, the conservative board has been a regular play pen since the liberals stopped their hateful dive bombing. In fact, some really good conversations are taking place over there between both sides, which DOES NOT happen on this site.
Bored people are BORING people.
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Is that how your people justify killing people?
Everything you said is true and can be
easily seen by just reading the board.
At least it can be seen by most of us.
But it IS true.
I saw a feature on it. They had videotapes of the recruiters coaching the kids on how to pass a urine drug screen. It is absolutely true.
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