Not so fast Mrs. M.....Democrats started
Posted By: the KKK.......sorry to inform ya on 2008-11-12
In Reply to: That's horrible. Shame on the republicans - Mrs. M
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Most wars in our history have been started by Democrats. sm
Thus, your hypothesis is an empty one.
Not so fast!!!!!!
I understand where you're coming from but really...do you REALLY think now days abortion is just because men want a woman to have one? Women are more permiscuous than ever, starting at younger and younger ages, and THEY don't want a child.
I knew of a woman back in the early 70's when abortion was legal on in a couple of states. She had just started college, found out she was pregnant. The man she said was the father begged her to marry him...he wanted to take responsibility but she didn't want to lose her scholarship. Lose a scholarship....murder a child. What a decision to make!! No, I don't always blame the men because I witnessed a very selfish woman who could have cared less. She came from a family who thought they were on the high social ladder as did she, and she certainly wasn't going to waste her time with a baby!!! She had more important things to do BUT I may add, she certainly didn't waste any time making her rounds with the guys back at college. So, please keep in mind, there really are a lot of women who really do not see it as that important an issue. They too just want to have fun and not deal with the consequences either.
Not so fast....
Palin was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party. I can find no credible evidence that she supported them or funded them. She did address their convention, but then Obama addressed the convention for ACORN.
From The New York Times: Alaskan Independence Party officials released a statement Monday saying that Ms. Palin had been a member for two years, from 1994 to 1996, information included in reports in The New York Times and other news outlets. In Internet videos of recent party meetings, other party officials can be seen boasting of Ms. Palin’s past membership.
On Tuesday, though, the party’s chairwoman, Lynette Clark, said the earlier statement was false. Ms. Clark said that she had based it on information another party member had given her, but that a review of the records showed only that Ms. Palin had attended the 1994 conference.
Ms. Clark added that while the review confirmed Todd Palin as a member, it did not indicate that Ms. Palin had been one.
On Wednesday, Ms. Clark released a corrected statement, saying, in part, “I, foolishly, repeated and accepted as fact what an officer of this membership shared with myself, and husband Dexter Clark, over a year ago.”
“I humbly apologize to Governor Palin, and to both national and local press and media,” she added.
Perhaps you did not do enough research?
As to the power and role of the Vice President...what she is talking about IS in the constitution. The Vice President presides over the senate and can be present whenever they are if the VP so wishes. Good for her. SOMEBODY needs to be watching them, I would think this recent financial crisis would tell us that. She is not talking about changing the CONSTITUTION. She is talking about exercising the rights it gives the position. No other VP has been interested in doing so. No reason she...or any VP...shouldn't. Read what the Constitution says about the VP position.
Well....not so fast....
we won't know until election night, I firmly believe that. The polls are closing fast, but I don't put much stock in polls, never have.
Whatever the outcome, if a majority of poor misguided folks vote Obama in...it won't be with my help. Got my yard sign. :-)
Going under fast, aren't they.
Starting to sound a mite peeved:) Look, person - we KNOW some people support this screw-up of a profiteering war. Like you. What don't you get about that? WE KNOW.
Now, tell us YOU KNOW that just as many - to judge by the 300,000 versus the 300, ONE HUNDRED times as many DO NOT support this mess any longer.
Why do you seem to feel that people who agree with you are somehow PROOF that yours is the only way to think? What are you going to do about the REST of those who do not believe what you do? What are you going to do when soldiers are speaking 100,000 to 1 against the war? You better think about it, because it's shaping up that way.
I bet it will drop as fast as it did
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It's amazing how fast you can backpeddle
You have made some very anti-semetic remarks about the Israeli's, and now you are being called on the carpet about it. You've documented several times with your supporting remarks of the Muslim protestors in Washington (which I've failed to find any reference to besides your obscure article link) that you think Israel and the U.S. are mean murderous tyrannically-governed countries. If you are going to take a side take a side, but your attempt to suddenly appear tolerant in the presence of a Jewish person is VERY disingenous, and I for one don't by it for a second. Pick a side and stick to it. If you don't support Israel then stand by your assertions. If you do support Israel then you need to make yourself a little clearer, because all I see you doing is siding with Hezbollah.
don't back down so fast, other facts about him
ok snopes disputed the rumors, some of the rumors but facts are facts and Barack's 1st cousin is this extremist running Kenya and involved in the genocide....google it for yourself.
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Not about how fast Rome was built....
but how fast it FELL.
I know I'm learning real fast here
I keep seeing posts about how awful the republicans are, blah, blah, blah. Then comes the lies and false statement without any facts. But the minute you put something out there about Obama with a link and reliable sources you get jumped on and called evil. I'll tell ya, makes me think Hitler is still alive and visits this board. HA HA. I've seen the attacks on Sam before so I guess I should have realized this. Guess it just shocked me.
I can't write too fast anymore, but here's what I did get
1. Fiscal Stimulus Plan: Before or after inauguration (sp). Wants to get it moving quickly, but if he has to wait until January 20, so be it, but states he will try during these couple months to push one through now.
2. Retooling assistance plan for automakers for fuel-effieicnt cars. He realizes that the auto industry employs thousands and other companies depend on the auto industry for their jobs. Wants this package done quickly.
3. Review implementaion of plans and not rewarding management for housing problems that are caused.
4. Grow middle class in the long term.
Reporters asked questions but couldn't get them all.
1. He wants to help the states financially.
2. As to going to other countries for conferences: He is developing a team and weighing all his options. Iran's nuclear weapons are unacceptable along with the militants. This has to cease. It's not something he can do in a knee-jerk fashion and wants to be careful (not to p--s them off).
3. Tax plan: 95% of WORKING Americans will get it. His first goal is tax relief for struggling families and to build the economy from the bottom up.
That's all I could get.
the problem with responding too fast
...is that you end up leaving out important phrases!
The $72 an hour figure quoted in the article, I should have said, isn't made of *just* the wages and benefits of current employees--it's also including those paid to retired workers, the ones who paid into the retirement fund their whole lives, and are now living off those benefits.
In other words, you take the wages/benefits paid to the current 180,000 or so autoworkers, PLUS those paid to the 400,000 or so retirees and the 120,000 spouses of dead retirees, then divide that by the 180,000 current workers, then say, LOOK HOW MUCH THOSE GUYS GET PAID! It's an incredibly artifically inflated number.
And noooo one in the media ever seems to question it.
Not so fast. Comparative drug use exercise.
There is a distinction between these two types of cocaine/crack use, as expressed in a medical study entitled "Crack cocaine and cocaine hydrochloride: Are the differences myth or reality?"
http://www.cocaine.org/crack/index.html
"...evidence exists showing a greater abuse liability, greater propensity for dependence, and more severe consequences when cocaine is smoked (cocaine-base) or injected intravenously (cocaine hydrochloride) compared with intranasal use (cocaine hydrochloride)." There is also evidence that crack cocaine use is linked to a higher incidence crime/violent crime than the use of "blow." Next time you set out to assasignate someone's character, remember you will be a whole lot more credible with (a) a little more research, and (b) a little less exaggeration.
Obama did not quantify his use in the book. He only defined the time span as sometime during his high school senior year until he arrived in New York to attend Columbia University, to include his 2 years at Occidental College (1979-1981). This would mean that he experimented with drugs at ages 17, 18 and 19 while in his teens. He decided to stop the drug use on his own accord. He then turned around and wrote about this experience in his first book, "Dreams From My Father," which started out as a commissioned book on race relations that later evolved into an autobiography. He began writing the book in 1990 and it was published in mid 1995, a year before he ran for office. It is worth noting that he was not forced to include this information in the book....he chose to. He disclosed one of his "greatest regrets," (his words) within the context of an honest, sincere, and direct expression of its (drug use) relationship to race relations and biographical information. Political agenda does not seem to be the motivation.
Cindy McCain's addiction ensued at the adult age of 35, nine years into her marriage, as a mother of three children, ages 5, 3 and 1. Her addiction spanned 3 years, about the same as Obama's "experimental" use. However, her disclosure (even to her husband) was not voluntary. John McCain was informed of her addiction during a forced (birth) family intervention, who then at the ripe adult age of 52, proceeded to engineer the "diversion program" cover-up/escape of criminal charges as described in the other post and in the midst of an active DEA investigation and pending criminal trial.
Aside from the drug addiction, involving an AVMT MD in providing her with illegal prescriptions and stealing drugs, it seems that there were a few more fires John McCain sought to extinguish. Seems she had approached a member of AVMT's voluntary medical team, demanding that he commit perjury in adoption proceedings of her Bangladeshi baby daughter and had attempted to "prevent" a former foundation employee from giving accurate information to the DEA during it's investigation. Further allegations were made that Cindy had abused her husband's office and diplomatic privileges by transporting illegal substances overseas. Of course, none of these issues were ever formally aired during court proceedings, since John McCain was able to succeed in "diverting" this embarrassing disaster.
So let's see, she comes clean to her husband under the threat of criminal charges, public humiliation and the tangible possibility of ruining her husband's career and is okay with having other people perjure themselves to gain approval for bringing a 4th child/infant into the mix of the not-so-remote drug addiction. Looks like the money and political clout has served her well in staying out of prison, bypassing adoption standards and abusing her own authority over foundation MDs and employees. Also looks like her disclosure did have elements of political agenda as she sought to save her own behind.
Drug use is drug use. But age, context, duration, type, criminality and injury to other parties are also part of this picture. It is not hard to figure out where Obama's policies come from with regard to medical treatment versus incarceration for first-time users and/or non-violent drug offenses. On the other hand, where John McCain's lock-'em-down and shun-'em drug policies defy logic and fly in the face of how he decided to handle the situation when it was HIS house, HIS wife, HIS job and HIS future on the line.
No offense taken. Rumors spread so fast, especially ...sm
bad rumors intended to scare and manipulate people. I think the excitement of the people at his rallies is because they see him as someone who offers the common people hope. He has never addressed or dwelled on any of the many, many rumors being spread about him. I believe he is an upstanding American citizen, a Christian, who has a lovely wife and family and is nothing like what the right wing of the republican party is painting him to be. Keep praying on it but don't get taken in by people who are not so Christian themselves.
Woohoo...change is coming fast and furious.
President Obama just announced that the pay of top White House employees is being frozen. The Associated Press says it will affect those in positions paying more than $100,000 a year.
"All of you are committed to building a more responsible government," Obama told top staff at a meeting now underway at the White House.
"Families are tightening their belts and so should Washington," Obama added.
The president also announced he's about to sign new ethics rules designed to restrict lobbying by current staff after they leave the administration.
That's why Fox news rating are skyrocketing with MSNBC and CNN are going down fast
Fox News - 1,217,000
CNN - 633,000
MSNBC - 482,000
I was surprised to see that CNN has more viewers than MSNBC. Fox news gives you the news and tells you everything - both sides. The other two don't. They just feed you garbage all day.
To counter the DNC assertion that only McCain plays fast and loose with the truth...
apparently he is not alone.
HMMM...check THIS out...
http://obamalies.net/
YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO THIS ONE....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S5StlCcv84&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72B3tUAqpo4&feature=related
http://obamawtf.blogspot.com/2008/05/documented-lie-50-obama-claimed-he-had.html
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/fashion-shows/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY5CQnOn75c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HKlQSNN2zo&NR=1
whoops, typing too fast and made errors .. be 4 the spelling police get me
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This all started because you said
*founded on Christian principles*....now I see you've moderated it to *God* Yes, they were *Deists* not Christians as you said in your first post...big difference....not that you will even admit there is a difference.
First of all, GP started this particular
thread, so she is not responding to anybody's attacks in this case. Second, I think it is very mean to attack someone's religious beliefs. Third, GP indicated that George Bush said that God told him to be president. If I remember correctly, George Bush said that God told him to RUN for president. So he did. SP did not say that God doing the right thing would put McCain in the White House, nor did she imply it. She said that she has faith that God will do the right thing and that his will for the country will be done. Imagine, two Christian practicing their faith and treating God as if he actually exists.
Guess what? God told me to call my sister last weekend. Am I delusional too? Or is it only delusional to think God speaks and leads if you are national figure?
That is not how it started...
This has been going on for quite a while on the Politics forum. The rabid right-wing Christians have been forcing their beliefs on all of us for months and months and months. They have quoted scripture and told us that anyone who does not believe as they do is destined to burn in eternal fire. They have no respect for people of other religions. I was born into a Jewish family, and I have never felt animosity towards any Christian until recently. These posters have forever changed my opinion of Christianity and not for the better!
For nm-So have I. Plus 2 others started lately.
Does that give you a hint?
Don't get that started here......... sm
That is rude and totally uncalled for.
Looks like you started it
When you tried to accuse W of having a double digit and O of triple.
The fact of the matter is you don't know what GW's score is or O's for that matter. I've been on several sites pro and con for both sides. I've read that people were trying to pass a lie that GWs was 99 (looks like you want to believe the lie too). However there are many sites that say he scored around 129. They also said that some people want to believe O's is higher, but according to his SAT/LSAT is ranges in the 115-120. However, it also says that he won't release his SAT score. Imagine that....Obama not releasing information? Say it ain't so Joe.
The fact is before you start accusing someone of a low or high IQ score maybe you should research a little more. We get it, by your posts you don't like GW. Don't know many who do (including myself), but I don't lie to make one look bad.
Don't even get me started.
Double standards, contradicting, arrogance, etc. How much money does that jet cost for promotional tours? I thought stimulus passed.
You don't even know who I am, I only started coming here.
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No, it started with a real
when they couldn't find anything, they dug up the sex scandal. Clinton was investigated for 7 years; can you name a high-level Clinton administartion official indicted? I know Clinton can't practice law; he was also impeached...what's your point?
So if WWWIII is to be started to
we're just supposed to sit down and shut up? Excuse me, but I was raised Catholic and I do not support this at ALL. Bush does NOT have a direct line to God Almighty.
No, not at all...it started on the far left rag...
the dailykos. That is where it broke. And then the rest of the far left picked it up and ran with it.
I was the first to congratulate Obama on his renouncing of the behavior. But even with him saying that, his supporters continue the salvos at Palin's family. Big time Dem pundits on TV still taking shots at her. Blogs still taking shots at her. Posters on this board still taking shots at her. Now you take people who are not committed yet, they see this happening, and you are left with only two conclusions...either Barack was very serious and meant what he said (which I believe) and his followers and pundits and the media are still going to attack regardless; or that he just made that statement to take the political high road while all the time in the background he is saying "sic her." It has to be one of the two...but either way, if his supporters and big Dem pundits continue the attack it reflects badly on his candidacy. I realize that he cannot control what people do...but one would think they would heed what he says (they claim to believe everything he says) and just lay off...but, to each his own.
Let's just get some more rumors started.
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you are wishing him out before he has even started?
I understand being cautious, but can't you give the guy a chance? I gave Bush a chance even though I didn't vote for him. I'm not happy with how it turned out, but I wasn't wishing him out of office before he even started.
If your son joined after the war started...
I would be interested to know what HE thinks. There is no draft. No need to send your son to die. Again, you and I disagree on whether or not we should be there. I think that it is silly to think that Hussein was not a threat, or at the very least, a future serious threat. I think our biggest mistake was not taking him out and getting this all done the first time.
Judy started it.......
then I just got sucked in. It was like watching the toilet overflow. What can you do?
I know the Californias started
For awhile, I thought I was in California with all the license plates and Hawaiian shirts everywhere. Got tired of all the traffic too.
they became Medquist! I started sm
wit the Detroit office of TL in 1981 and worked for the company until February of 2006. Like you I made big bucks but after the change to the name Medquist and subsequent yearly changes like everyone else I left. At one time I workekd directly for John Donoho out of the Feasterville office and couldn't have been happier. My whole career with them was spent working at home but hiring MTs and supervising in the area that I live in. I miss the way it use to be. I was 50 years old when I left them and I truly remember a time when they valued their employees, gave bonuses, raises and great Christmas gifts. Its too bad MTs starting out now don't have that type of experience. Yes you could write your own ticket even with TL. They would gladly give out a good raise to a person who had great quality and production and was loyal to the company. Very sad to see what they hve done.
Wrong. It may have started that way...
But once again has degenerated to immature name calling and personal attacks.
5 years old? well when do you think the war started?
who hid a fact there were no WMDs? and there WERE you just dont find the mass media reporting on them. ill find that link to if you would like me to if you want to deny there were ever any weapons found, and let me remind you how long did they have before we invaded to move the weapons?
No iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, that was not why we went in now is it? was that said? We are attacking Iraq because they attacked us? NO, because they WOULD HAVE ATTACKED US as soon as they could.
as most everyone in that link agreed...
5 years old? well when do you think the war started?
who hid a fact there were no WMDs? and there WERE you just dont find the mass media reporting on them. ill find that link to if you would like me to if you want to deny there were ever any weapons found, and let me remind you how long did they have before we invaded to move the weapons?
No iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, that was not why we went in now is it? was that said? We are attacking Iraq because they attacked us? NO, because they WOULD HAVE ATTACKED US as soon as they could.
as most everyone in that link agreed...
Just remember that you started this one...LOL..(sm)
First of all, I am a firm believer in evolution. From what we know from archeologists, man started in small groups and gradually formed larger and larger groups, forming communities. We do know that they worked collectively for the benefit of the community, some hunting, some preparing meals, etc. So, I think there is a large element in society that says we choose what is "right" for the sake of the good/success/survival of the community.
I know that most will say the Bible, and I think the Bible did play a role, but not the only role. This is evidenced by the fact that all cultures have gone through this evolution of determining what is right and wrong. Consider the tribe in the middle of nowhere (and yeah there are still a few) that has had no contact with ANY religion. Scientists have studied cases like this before and have found that even they have a set of "rules" that they go by, and these rules were based on what would or would not benefit their community.
I think the most important thing though is that the rules of right and wrong are constantly changing as we evolve. If you asked your standard white christian lady in the 1800s if it was okay to beat the slave out back, the answer would have most likely been yes. Ask the same question today of anyone and the answer should be no.
So, I think evolution and probably instinct for self preservation are the key factors.
This probably all started with a 7-yo misunderstanding his teacher.nm
The flames have begun. They were started by you.
All you've done since you've come here is flame and insult. If you'd treat people with some respect and dignity, you'd be surprised at how quickly it would come back at you. Instead, you're treated the way you treat others. How does it feel?
I cited examples of true things that happened. Unlike you, I didn't bash or negatively judge one single poster on this board.
Yes, I call them CONS, as in NEOCONS. I don't know how anyone who believes they are a Republican can worship someone as they do Bush who is the complete antithesis of anything REPUBLICAN.
Since you continue to show your contempt for the monitor and the monitor's rules, how about you leave me alone on this board, and I'll return the favor?
Nah, you aren't capable of doing that, are you? Well, keep flaming away. I'll take the higher road which you've never traveled and ignore you.
One more thing: Every single thing I posted is the truth. Your claim that it's hysteria without any facts to back it up merely proves the negative value you contribute to this board.
If you're referring to my health situation as hysteria, then until you've walked in my shoes and know what I've been through in the last month healthwise, you have no basis or right to claim that anything I said is hysteria. Having no compassion for someone who's very ill is clearly a CON point of view, so dressing yourself up in a costume representing another political party isn't fooling anyone. You may be a little higher up on the food chain than I am, maybe insulated with a husband who provides you with health insurance and additional income, but America has become a hungry shark where only the strongest survive, the weakest are disposable, and the same thing could happen to you.
Maybe not but our future could have started 5-1/2 years ago.
Bush's policies in all areas are making it look pretty bleak. 
You started the condescending, Teddy...
read your post again. It was very condescending. You talked down to me, and I thought it might be fun to respond from down there where you put me. You talked down to me and you were rude. You know it and I know it. I was just giving it back to you. Now that we are past the kid stuff, could you please answer my question, and enlighten me as to what the *big picture* was that I missed and leave the condescending attitude out of it. As to being a dumb condescending Polack...your words, and not mine...it is so hilarious to me the parallels. My guy is of Polack/German ancestry and he is standing behind me as I type, and we are enjoying a good laugh, so thank you from this Choctaw/Cherokee/Irish gal and her dumb Polack guy. LOL. We are looking forward to the *big picture* point, though.
Not to get a fight started...just an observation...
that little twinge is probably be the Holy Spirit and you would be well served to maybe listen to it....? Or perhaps you think not listening to the twinge in favor of listening to John Edwards is the better path.
God bless!
WHy don't we check and see which administration started...
borrowing money from China. The Clinton administration took huge amounts of money from Chinese...remember the scandal? Ahem.
I did NOT imply that his camp started it....
in fact, I said the dailykos started it, and unless his camp blogs there and I don't know it, that is exactly what I meant. What I said is that when he asks his supporters not to continue and they persist, it reflects negatively on his candidacy in some people's minds...and that is all I said. I also said that I believe him and that he was sincere...and that his supporters are ignoring him. However, I have heard others suggest that he is saying that publically but behind the scenes his camp is fanning it. I did not say it, and I do not personally think it, and would not unless it was proven. All I am saying is that some perceive it that way.
Thanks for the links. I started reading through them. sm
I started with the first link and only got partially through Palin's. Hope to go back later to finish it and read the other candidates too.
One of the things I read it said where her husband worked for BP. They had said that he would quit if she were elected gov. but after she was they backed out of that and stated that since he was not management it wouldn't matter or wouldn't be a conflict. But wouldn't it be? He works for an oil company, she is for the drilling of oil, etc. To me that is still a big conflict.
Also, why is one thing saying he quit and another thing saying he still works there part-time. This link from above was a direct quote from them I believe.
Anyway, again, thanks for the links. Hope to read up some more tonight.
LOL!. That is where the problem started. Mexicans
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All you have to do is look at the figures and when they started declining....
and 20 months is about right. This democratically controlled congress sat on their hands even when Greenspan was telling them they needed to tighten up on Freddie and fannie. Instead they made their hold on the housing market even bigger.
They failed to act to do anything about rising cost of fuel, went on freaking vacation rather than vote on energy bill. Not only do we need to vote in McCain/Palin, we need to clean up that viper pit that is Congress and finally start acting like adults and work together to clean up that viper pit. Only one candidate is talking about that, and it isn't yours.
Now that you mention it....here are links to get you started.
Ignore it if you like...but you know, the duck thing...if it quacks like a duck.
All of these things can be independently verified. The policies that he is proposing are socialism 101...redistribution of wealth. The "people" of Cuba has not done so well after the Castro/Che Guevara revolution, now have they?
http://politicalcenter.newsvine.com/_news/2008/05/04/1466498-obamas-marxist-revolution-must-be-rejected-
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/07/what_barack_obama_learned_from.html
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-international-socialist-connections
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/08/31/america/France-Socialists-Obama.php
http://www.acton.org/commentary/443_marxist_roots_of_black_liberation_theology.php
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2008/08/michelle_obama_4.php
http://www.tysknews.com/Articles/dnc_corruption.htm
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=75101
I wouldn't even get started in that direction
Don't even get into donning church talk or we can bring up a whole lot of information about Obama and his ties to the Muslim church and then Rev. Wright, Frank Marshall Davis, Larry Sinclair, and the multitude of other liasions and then right before him getting into politics he just happens to swtich. If you open up a can of worms be prepared to have the mud slung back at ya.
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