Not so fast. Comparative drug use exercise.
Posted By: A few more interesting facts. sm on 2008-08-25
In Reply to: Meowwwwwwwwww! Catttyyyyyy. lol. I said I was wrong...pull in the claws. - sam
There is a distinction between these two types of cocaine/crack use, as expressed in a medical study entitled "Crack cocaine and cocaine hydrochloride: Are the differences myth or reality?"
http://www.cocaine.org/crack/index.html
"...evidence exists showing a greater abuse liability, greater propensity for dependence, and more severe consequences when cocaine is smoked (cocaine-base) or injected intravenously (cocaine hydrochloride) compared with intranasal use (cocaine hydrochloride)." There is also evidence that crack cocaine use is linked to a higher incidence crime/violent crime than the use of "blow." Next time you set out to assasignate someone's character, remember you will be a whole lot more credible with (a) a little more research, and (b) a little less exaggeration.
Obama did not quantify his use in the book. He only defined the time span as sometime during his high school senior year until he arrived in New York to attend Columbia University, to include his 2 years at Occidental College (1979-1981). This would mean that he experimented with drugs at ages 17, 18 and 19 while in his teens. He decided to stop the drug use on his own accord. He then turned around and wrote about this experience in his first book, "Dreams From My Father," which started out as a commissioned book on race relations that later evolved into an autobiography. He began writing the book in 1990 and it was published in mid 1995, a year before he ran for office. It is worth noting that he was not forced to include this information in the book....he chose to. He disclosed one of his "greatest regrets," (his words) within the context of an honest, sincere, and direct expression of its (drug use) relationship to race relations and biographical information. Political agenda does not seem to be the motivation.
Cindy McCain's addiction ensued at the adult age of 35, nine years into her marriage, as a mother of three children, ages 5, 3 and 1. Her addiction spanned 3 years, about the same as Obama's "experimental" use. However, her disclosure (even to her husband) was not voluntary. John McCain was informed of her addiction during a forced (birth) family intervention, who then at the ripe adult age of 52, proceeded to engineer the "diversion program" cover-up/escape of criminal charges as described in the other post and in the midst of an active DEA investigation and pending criminal trial.
Aside from the drug addiction, involving an AVMT MD in providing her with illegal prescriptions and stealing drugs, it seems that there were a few more fires John McCain sought to extinguish. Seems she had approached a member of AVMT's voluntary medical team, demanding that he commit perjury in adoption proceedings of her Bangladeshi baby daughter and had attempted to "prevent" a former foundation employee from giving accurate information to the DEA during it's investigation. Further allegations were made that Cindy had abused her husband's office and diplomatic privileges by transporting illegal substances overseas. Of course, none of these issues were ever formally aired during court proceedings, since John McCain was able to succeed in "diverting" this embarrassing disaster.
So let's see, she comes clean to her husband under the threat of criminal charges, public humiliation and the tangible possibility of ruining her husband's career and is okay with having other people perjure themselves to gain approval for bringing a 4th child/infant into the mix of the not-so-remote drug addiction. Looks like the money and political clout has served her well in staying out of prison, bypassing adoption standards and abusing her own authority over foundation MDs and employees. Also looks like her disclosure did have elements of political agenda as she sought to save her own behind.
Drug use is drug use. But age, context, duration, type, criminality and injury to other parties are also part of this picture. It is not hard to figure out where Obama's policies come from with regard to medical treatment versus incarceration for first-time users and/or non-violent drug offenses. On the other hand, where John McCain's lock-'em-down and shun-'em drug policies defy logic and fly in the face of how he decided to handle the situation when it was HIS house, HIS wife, HIS job and HIS future on the line.
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Actually, ol' Sam IS getting out and getting exercise...
actually doing the same BD is...volunteering for the ticket I support and talking to the folks...no universities close to me. Just door to door visiting. There IS a lot of excitement about this election now. I have talked to so many people who really weren't that into it, but they sure are now. That is what we should all be doing in addition to posting here.
exercise - what a concept
Put down that liter of diet coke and that supersize bag of Cheetos and meet me at the teeter totter.
Why not exercise responsibility with your rights?
In this day of myriad methods of birth control, there is absolutely no reason for 1.2 million abortions a year. It has grown from endangering life of mother, rape and incest to why bother with birth control, if I get pregnant I can have it flushed. It is amazing to me that any person with a heart in their chest is not appalled by that.
And a great contributor to this has been the gradual relaxation of any kind of moral responsibility...no right or wrong, only shades of gray, no consequences, sex introduced to kids earlier and earlier and earlier, not even allowing them to be kids...saying sex is fine, multiple partners is fine, heck, you don't even have to like the other person.
We are reaping what that kind of lifestyle change has sown.
Not so fast!!!!!!
I understand where you're coming from but really...do you REALLY think now days abortion is just because men want a woman to have one? Women are more permiscuous than ever, starting at younger and younger ages, and THEY don't want a child.
I knew of a woman back in the early 70's when abortion was legal on in a couple of states. She had just started college, found out she was pregnant. The man she said was the father begged her to marry him...he wanted to take responsibility but she didn't want to lose her scholarship. Lose a scholarship....murder a child. What a decision to make!! No, I don't always blame the men because I witnessed a very selfish woman who could have cared less. She came from a family who thought they were on the high social ladder as did she, and she certainly wasn't going to waste her time with a baby!!! She had more important things to do BUT I may add, she certainly didn't waste any time making her rounds with the guys back at college. So, please keep in mind, there really are a lot of women who really do not see it as that important an issue. They too just want to have fun and not deal with the consequences either.
Not so fast....
Palin was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party. I can find no credible evidence that she supported them or funded them. She did address their convention, but then Obama addressed the convention for ACORN.
From The New York Times: Alaskan Independence Party officials released a statement Monday saying that Ms. Palin had been a member for two years, from 1994 to 1996, information included in reports in The New York Times and other news outlets. In Internet videos of recent party meetings, other party officials can be seen boasting of Ms. Palin’s past membership.
On Tuesday, though, the party’s chairwoman, Lynette Clark, said the earlier statement was false. Ms. Clark said that she had based it on information another party member had given her, but that a review of the records showed only that Ms. Palin had attended the 1994 conference.
Ms. Clark added that while the review confirmed Todd Palin as a member, it did not indicate that Ms. Palin had been one.
On Wednesday, Ms. Clark released a corrected statement, saying, in part, “I, foolishly, repeated and accepted as fact what an officer of this membership shared with myself, and husband Dexter Clark, over a year ago.”
“I humbly apologize to Governor Palin, and to both national and local press and media,” she added.
Perhaps you did not do enough research?
As to the power and role of the Vice President...what she is talking about IS in the constitution. The Vice President presides over the senate and can be present whenever they are if the VP so wishes. Good for her. SOMEBODY needs to be watching them, I would think this recent financial crisis would tell us that. She is not talking about changing the CONSTITUTION. She is talking about exercising the rights it gives the position. No other VP has been interested in doing so. No reason she...or any VP...shouldn't. Read what the Constitution says about the VP position.
Well....not so fast....
we won't know until election night, I firmly believe that. The polls are closing fast, but I don't put much stock in polls, never have.
Whatever the outcome, if a majority of poor misguided folks vote Obama in...it won't be with my help. Got my yard sign. :-)
Going under fast, aren't they.
Starting to sound a mite peeved:) Look, person - we KNOW some people support this screw-up of a profiteering war. Like you. What don't you get about that? WE KNOW.
Now, tell us YOU KNOW that just as many - to judge by the 300,000 versus the 300, ONE HUNDRED times as many DO NOT support this mess any longer.
Why do you seem to feel that people who agree with you are somehow PROOF that yours is the only way to think? What are you going to do about the REST of those who do not believe what you do? What are you going to do when soldiers are speaking 100,000 to 1 against the war? You better think about it, because it's shaping up that way.
I bet it will drop as fast as it did
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It's amazing how fast you can backpeddle
You have made some very anti-semetic remarks about the Israeli's, and now you are being called on the carpet about it. You've documented several times with your supporting remarks of the Muslim protestors in Washington (which I've failed to find any reference to besides your obscure article link) that you think Israel and the U.S. are mean murderous tyrannically-governed countries. If you are going to take a side take a side, but your attempt to suddenly appear tolerant in the presence of a Jewish person is VERY disingenous, and I for one don't by it for a second. Pick a side and stick to it. If you don't support Israel then stand by your assertions. If you do support Israel then you need to make yourself a little clearer, because all I see you doing is siding with Hezbollah.
don't back down so fast, other facts about him
ok snopes disputed the rumors, some of the rumors but facts are facts and Barack's 1st cousin is this extremist running Kenya and involved in the genocide....google it for yourself.
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Not about how fast Rome was built....
but how fast it FELL.
I know I'm learning real fast here
I keep seeing posts about how awful the republicans are, blah, blah, blah. Then comes the lies and false statement without any facts. But the minute you put something out there about Obama with a link and reliable sources you get jumped on and called evil. I'll tell ya, makes me think Hitler is still alive and visits this board. HA HA. I've seen the attacks on Sam before so I guess I should have realized this. Guess it just shocked me.
I can't write too fast anymore, but here's what I did get
1. Fiscal Stimulus Plan: Before or after inauguration (sp). Wants to get it moving quickly, but if he has to wait until January 20, so be it, but states he will try during these couple months to push one through now.
2. Retooling assistance plan for automakers for fuel-effieicnt cars. He realizes that the auto industry employs thousands and other companies depend on the auto industry for their jobs. Wants this package done quickly.
3. Review implementaion of plans and not rewarding management for housing problems that are caused.
4. Grow middle class in the long term.
Reporters asked questions but couldn't get them all.
1. He wants to help the states financially.
2. As to going to other countries for conferences: He is developing a team and weighing all his options. Iran's nuclear weapons are unacceptable along with the militants. This has to cease. It's not something he can do in a knee-jerk fashion and wants to be careful (not to p--s them off).
3. Tax plan: 95% of WORKING Americans will get it. His first goal is tax relief for struggling families and to build the economy from the bottom up.
That's all I could get.
Not so fast Mrs. M.....Democrats started
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the problem with responding too fast
...is that you end up leaving out important phrases!
The $72 an hour figure quoted in the article, I should have said, isn't made of *just* the wages and benefits of current employees--it's also including those paid to retired workers, the ones who paid into the retirement fund their whole lives, and are now living off those benefits.
In other words, you take the wages/benefits paid to the current 180,000 or so autoworkers, PLUS those paid to the 400,000 or so retirees and the 120,000 spouses of dead retirees, then divide that by the 180,000 current workers, then say, LOOK HOW MUCH THOSE GUYS GET PAID! It's an incredibly artifically inflated number.
And noooo one in the media ever seems to question it.
No offense taken. Rumors spread so fast, especially ...sm
bad rumors intended to scare and manipulate people. I think the excitement of the people at his rallies is because they see him as someone who offers the common people hope. He has never addressed or dwelled on any of the many, many rumors being spread about him. I believe he is an upstanding American citizen, a Christian, who has a lovely wife and family and is nothing like what the right wing of the republican party is painting him to be. Keep praying on it but don't get taken in by people who are not so Christian themselves.
Drug companies
Why is it that other countries have American made medications so much cheaper than America. The argument has been well we pay the extra amount so drug companies can do research. Why us? We are expected to pay more for medications and also health benefits when other countries have universal healthcare and lower drug costs. It isnt right that Americans foot the bill for the world to enjoy the medications we produce at less cost than us. It isnt right that Americans have to go bankrupt when faced with a major illness because either their healthcare is inadequate or they dont have healthcare. If this administration really cared about what Americans need most, they wouldnt be talking about Social Security, they would be devising a universal health plan for all Americans. Some say that would be socialized medicine. Heck, when you dont have any health coverage, socialized medicine is better than nothing.
Only the lie about not being a drug abuser...
Rush is a fake, a phony, a hypocrite ("do as I say, not as I do").
It is not the Dems who are giving him any "power" it is the poor, misguided Republicans who look up to this misguided human being.
We dems are merely entertained.....
Woohoo...change is coming fast and furious.
President Obama just announced that the pay of top White House employees is being frozen. The Associated Press says it will affect those in positions paying more than $100,000 a year.
"All of you are committed to building a more responsible government," Obama told top staff at a meeting now underway at the White House.
"Families are tightening their belts and so should Washington," Obama added.
The president also announced he's about to sign new ethics rules designed to restrict lobbying by current staff after they leave the administration.
That's why Fox news rating are skyrocketing with MSNBC and CNN are going down fast
Fox News - 1,217,000
CNN - 633,000
MSNBC - 482,000
I was surprised to see that CNN has more viewers than MSNBC. Fox news gives you the news and tells you everything - both sides. The other two don't. They just feed you garbage all day.
Lobbying for big drug companies....oh my!
http://sirenschronicles.com/2008/08/24/hunter-biden-lobbyist-for-big-pharma/
Unbelievable! Drug dealers (sm)
There was a drug bust in my area overnight. One form of heroin being sold was stamped "Obama 09" !
Good heavens! Now they're even rooting for him. I have never heard of anything like this before.
Don't forget that he is a drug addict, too.
Limbaugh was and probably still is an oxycodone addict.
Yeah, In a drug stupor. Why would anyone
He is the biggest hypocrite ever. His mudslinging is just to take the focus off of his own hypocrisy.
The difference is in the drug effects...(sm)
Cocain, heroin, meth -- all extremely addictive and oftentimes turns into a desperate situation for users, often leading to crime.
Marijuana -- Sales for Fruit Loops go up. 
It also stands for National Drug Code but no
It's the National Democratic Congress, of which I'm sure some of you, or maybe not.....never mind. I've realized dems on this board aren't really interested in really finding out about the real Obama.
Study up and don't come back here acting as if you can't find anything. If you want, you will. And you'll know it when you see it.
Connect the dots.
Like all those drug-crazed street terrorists did
60s Youth at least could recognize the potential of their country, took control of the situation, engaged directly to forge their own future world and took measures that blasted us out of the complacent post civil war plantation mentality and cold war mongering by working tirelessly on behalf of civil rights for blacks AND women and ending a costly, senseless war that never should have happened.
Not holding my breath here and expect very little out this current crop of spoiled brats. I lay down this gauntlet....stand up for yourselves and prove me wrong, will ya?...but do so with honor. Use your noggens and exercise your intellect, not the Jerry Springer style potty mouth free for all we currently see so much of on this forum.
To counter the DNC assertion that only McCain plays fast and loose with the truth...
apparently he is not alone.
HMMM...check THIS out...
http://obamalies.net/
YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO THIS ONE....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S5StlCcv84&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72B3tUAqpo4&feature=related
http://obamawtf.blogspot.com/2008/05/documented-lie-50-obama-claimed-he-had.html
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/fashion-shows/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY5CQnOn75c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HKlQSNN2zo&NR=1
whoops, typing too fast and made errors .. be 4 the spelling police get me
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The rest of Cindy McCain's drug story is....
She didn't just "do" drugs and go to rehab. Sam left out the middle part. Cindy, the beer heiress, McCain founded the American Voluntary Medical Team (AVMT)charity organization. This came in handy when her habit was upwards of 20 pills a day (Percocet and Vicodin). She used her considerable clout to force one of the AVMT MDs to write illegal prescription drugs. When that wasn't enough, she resorted to stealing them from her own foundation.
She then proceeded to fire the whistleblower who had found out about it, who then turned around and tipped of the Drug Enforcement Administration and a federal investigation ensued, which she ended up paying for since she was guilty. That's when she told her clueless husband, the senator, since the feds were on her tail.
Enter John McWayne. The family staged an intervention and the senator exercised HIS considerable clout and had Cindy enrolled in what is politely referred to as a "diversion program."
Here's how this works. You pay a "program fee," attend classes on how how to avoid future offenses, restitution to the victims and avoid situations that might encourage repeating the behavior. This would be the "slap on he wrist and make it go away" approach to law enforcement. It you fail to meet the requirements of the program, they proceed with full prosecution.
Now some people's "program fees" might be other's "bribe and hush money." This program is pretty much out of reach to the garden variety drug offender who is not heir to a fortune and married to a senator. Those folks do hard time.
the drug companies that fund the research for new drugs
really don't have all that much time to make money on the drugs before generics are allowed. Do you think generic companies are going to start contributing to research? For all those people who gripe about the drug companies, I would like to see the day come when the drug companies aren't willing to spend another dime on the research. The gov can pay for all the research then. They still pay for the meds, and it might be more, factoring in the waste for the gov being involved.
They must be snobby, elitist, liberal drug dealers, huh! (nm)
:p
Scumbag illegal alien drug smuggler, too bad..
they couldn't find more to eliminate.
simple exercise or simple mind
ever heard of thyroid dysfunction, ever heard of drugs that cause weight gain (such as steroids) or any other cause for obesity? Don't be so self-righteous.
oh, pullllllllleeeze save Poor Drug Companies spiel.
you didn't answer mine. Where did you hear that the U.S. doesn't make vaccines? Or is it merely more conservative fiction? Because it's simply not true.
You're talking about all this as if it's a leisurely endeavor that isn't time sensitive. I'm talking about protecting my family and your family from a potential bio terror attack using smallpox.
And you're right. No response is necessary at all because you haven't said anything worthy of one.
Administrator: Someone is filling our board with drug ad posts on page 3.
Hmm - none on the conservative board. Extreme Right wing conspiracy?
you're mixing apples and beans, drug addiction
alcoholism and drug addition is nothing like religious fanaticism and/or religious extremism.....and/or genocide in Darfur and/or Kenya
he went to see Odinga not a month ago to try and broker peace there......and after he left Kenya, the genocide continued and continues thru now....
sand....head....ostrich.......
Baby daddy's mommy arrested on drug charges
Bristol's future MIL arrested on 6 counts of felony drug charges.
Palins can't seem to catch a break this past week.
What about Roger Clinton, Bill's drug addict brother. Or Billy Bob Carter, sm
Jimmy's alcoholic brother. Man, we could do this all day. You know you posted that article to make the Bush's look bad. If you judge people by their families, that says a lot about you.
poor black men in jail for drug crimes while his wife steals from a medical charity. nm
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McCain made tougher laws for drug crimes. It's not just rich and special treatment he is putting
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Other addicted Americans aren't putting people in jail or ripping apart families for drug crimes.
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