Not defending violent protesters, but for the 10,000 others

• What are those things - Curious
  • Those things are citizens exercising free speech, - Right to assemble, redress govt. Sound familiar?
    • you go girl/guy - soupNazi
    • Throwing bleach on 70-year-old women... - sam
      • In the midst of pepper spray, tear gas, billy clubs, - Innocent bystanders get caught up. sm
      • defending these thugs? Wow, - that is a new low. nuts. nm
        • I am not defending the thugs. Read my post again. Thanks. - sam
    • I wouldn't have asked such an "insane" question but even the liberal media could not explai - Curious
      • Not defending violent protesters, but for the 10,000 others - Who get no coverage, are portrayed as same group.
    • You've got to be kidding me? Defending their actions and blaming on Bush? - Unbelievable
      • No. Remembering the debt we owe all of those - Who came before them. sm
    • Hope this post answered your question. - Too quick to judge. amfm
    • Some people need reminding. - Others never forget. Really are 2 Americas. amy

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were subjected to police-state tactics...........

By Patriot Daily
News Clearinghouse

1-13-6

George Bush wants to create the new criminal of disruptor who can be jailed for the crime of disruptive behavior. A little-noticed provision in the latest version of the Patriot Act will empower Secret Service to charge protesters with a new crime of disrupting major events including political conventions and the Olympics.

The Secret Service would also be empowered to charge persons with breaching security and to  charge for entering a restricted area which is where the President or other person protected by the Secret Service is or will be temporarily visiting. In short, be sure to stay in those wired, fenced containments or free speech zones.

Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse's diary:

Who is the disruptor? Bush Team history tells us the disruptor is an American citizen with the audacity to attend Bush events wearing a T-shirt that criticizes Bush; or a member of civil rights, environmental, anti-war or counter-recruiting groups who protest Bush policies; or a person who invades Bush's bubble by criticizing his policies.  A disruptor is also a person who interferes in someone else's activity, such as interrupting Bush when he is speaking at a press conference or during an interview.

What are the parameters of the crime of disruptive behavior?  The dictionary defines disruptive as characterized by unrest or disorder or insubordination.   The American Medical Association defines disruptive behavior as a style of interaction with people that interferes with patient care, and can include behavior such as foul language; rude, loud or offensive comments; and intimidation of patients and family members.

What are the rules of engagement for disruptors?   Some Bush Team history of their treatment of disruptors provide some clues on how this administration will treat disruptors in the future.

(1)  People perceived as disruptors may be preemptively ejected from events before engaging in any disruptive conduct.

In the beginning of this war against disruptors, Americans were ejected from taxpayer funded events where Bush was speaking. At first the events were campaign rallies during the election, and then the disruptor ejectment policy was expanded to include Bush's post election campaign-style events on public policy issues on his agenda, such as informing the public on medicare reform and the like. If people drove to the event in a car with a bumper sticker that criticized Bush's policies or wore T-shirts with similar criticism, they were disruptors who could be ejected from the taxpayer event even before they engaged in any disruptive behavior. White House press secretary McClellan defended such ejectments as a proper preemptive strike against persons who may disrupt an event: If we think people are coming to the event to disrupt it, obviously, they're going to be asked to leave.

(2) Bush Team may check its vast array of databanks to cull out those persons who it deems having disruptor potential and then blacklist those persons from events.

The White House even has a list of persons it deems could be disruptive to an eventand then blacklists those persons from attending taxpayer funded events where Bush speaks. Sounds like Bush not only has the power to unilaterally designate people as enemy combatants in the global war on terror, but to unilaterally designate Americans as disruptive in the domestic war against free speech.

(3) The use of surveillance, monitoring and legal actions against disruptors.

Bush's war against disruptors was then elevated to surveillance, monitoring, and legal actions against disruptor organizations. The FBI conducts political surveillance and obtains intelligence filed in its database on Bush administration critics , such as civil rights groups (e.g., ACLU), antiwar protest groups (e.g., United for Peace and Justice) and environmental groups (e.g., Greenpeace).

This surveillance of American citizens exercising their constitutional rights has been done under the pretext of counterterrorism activities surrounding protests of the Iraq war and the Republican National Convention. The FBI maintains it does not have the intent to monitor political activities and that its surveillance and intelligence gathering is intended to prevent disruptive and criminal activity at demonstrations, not to quell free speech.

Surveillance of potential disruptors then graduated to legal actions as a preemptive strike against potential disruptive behavior at public events. In addition to monitoring and surveillance of legal groups and legal activities, the FBI issued subpoenas for members to appear before grand juries based on the FBI's intent to prevent disruptive convention protests.  The Justice Dept. opened a criminal investigation and subpoenaed records of Internet messages posted by Bush`s critics.  And, the Justice Dept. even indicted Greenpeace for a protest that was so lame the federal judge threw out the case.

So now the Patriot Act, which was argued before enactment as a measure to fight foreign terrorists, is being amended to make clear that it also applies to American citizens who have the audacity to disrupt President Bush wherever his bubble may travel. If this provision is enacted into law, then Bush will have a law upon which to expand the type of people who constitute disruptors and the type of activities that constitute disruptive activities. And, then throw them all in jail.

Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse 

This is what's on Hannity's webpage.

http://thepoliticalcarnival.blogspot.com/2009/02/hannitys-america-what-kind-of.html

Isn't this something like....oh.....maybe inciting treason or something?

Southern Poverty Law Center: 50% rise in violent hate groups

A new report from the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), which tracks the activities of violent hate groups in the United States, has found an alarming rise in the number of such groups, from 602 in 2000 to 926 in 2008.

This comes on the heels of a controversial report on "violent extremism" from the Department of Homeland Security, which has outraged many conservatives by seeming to lump them in with extremists.

Morris Dees, the founder of the SPLC, told CBS's Harry Smith on Wednesday that he believes the two reports do "synch up pretty much" and that "the report from the Department of Homeland Security should be taken very seriously."

However, the SPLC's own report focuses very narrowly on groups which actively preach violence, including neo-Nazis, the Ku Klux Klan, and the "racist skinhead subculture." It also notes the surprising rise of "anti-Semitic black separatists calling for death to Jews on bustling street corners in several East Coast cities."

"A key 2008 hate group trend was the increasing militancy of the extremist fringe of the Hebrew Israelite movement," the report states, "whose adherents believe that Jews are creatures of the devil and that whites deserve death or slavery. These radical black supremacists have no love for Barack Obama, calling him a 'house nigger' and a puppet of Israel. They preach to inner-city blacks that evil Jews are solely responsible for the recession."

Dees told Smith, "The political climate, the election of Obama, the immigration issues ... and now, especially, the economy is almost causing a resurgence of what we saw in the days of Timothy McVeigh, almost a militia movement that's being reborn. ... I think that an American person is much more likely to be harmed by a domestic terrorist extremist group than by one from abroad."

Dees also emphasized that many extremist groups are recruiting Iraq veterans and even active-duty members of the military because of their expertise with arms and explosives. "It's a serious issue," he stated, "especially with a lot of these guys coming back with post-traumatic stress syndrome, coming back to a failing economy, the inability to buy a home and get a job and get credit."


This video is from CBS's The Early Show, broadcast Apr. 15, 2009.

Video at:  http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Southern_Poverty_Law_Center_50_rise_0415.html

and also have burned American flags.

All of you haters have the nerve to call JTBB hateful?  Are you kidding or extremely delusional?  Don't bother -- I already know the answer to that one.  First of all, just look at your comments.  Very scary stuff, i must say, and extremely immature.  Anybody with a brain can read the comments on this board and know who is hate-filled and it sure ain't JTBB.  Should I run through the list of those on your hate list?  Let's see:  Democrats, homosexuals, non-Christians, anyone not American, your own President and ANYONE who has a different opinion than yours.  When I read comments like these, I picture a crazed mob with pitchforks in hand out for blood!  Pretty picture, huh?

As for the comment about JTBB going to the Faith board, I have read some of the very adult discussions she has had there, and they are nothing but thought-provoking, backed by historical or theological facts, and have a genuine curiosity about what Christians believe and is NEVER degrading, condescending or goading in any way, and usually the posters she engages there are likewise adult and willing to have an honest discourse without attacking or being as hateful as you people here. 

 "First they laughed at us...and then they died."  (Hope your're proud of this very threatening comment; you should really seek some help).

"JTBB is the most bigoted voice on here."  (Guess you don't listen to yourself much, do you?)

". . .no problem going to the Faith board in the hopes of goading someone into a fight."

I find most of the anger and and outright hatred expressed on this forum extremely distasteful and very disturbing and it makes me ashamed to share the same industry with people like you, as I consider the medical field to usually require a compassionate type of personality, and I see none of that here.

He does not really need defending.  He is out there for all to see.  There will always be a fringe element passing along conspiracy theories and innuendo -- that's what the Atwaters of the world depend on.  The sensible majority has spoken and Obama was elected. I have noticed that traffic at this site has dropped drastically since the neocons were so soundly trounced.  I would expect that the few remaining will eventually run out of gas as Obama continues to forge ahead with his principled approach to the country's problems. Future's so bright I have to wear shades.  Obama and Michelle interviewed by Barbara Walters tonight - a happy pre-Thanksgiving treat.

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