Not acknowledging Jews
Posted By: American Woman on 2005-08-27
In Reply to: Israel - gt
You described with great candor and honesty the most extreme side of your religion, and I appreciate the glimpse into a life that I otherwise didn't know existed.
I think many of us have experience with extremes. They're usually dirty little secrets that most people won't admit. Maybe it's time that some of them come out into the open. You've been open enough to describe some aspects of your personal life (which took a lot of courage in THIS arena). You've also triggered some not to good memories in my life.
I remember growing up in a small town as a child with my parents, my friends' parents, all my relatives (from different little towns in different states), ALL Christians and ALL HATING Jews. They blamed the liberal media on the Jews who controlled it. (I've heard this allegation again recently, in the last couple years, as well, so nobody can convince me that Christians suddenly love Jews.) If anything could make the veins in their neck pop out, it was th emention of the money the U.S. gave to Israel. The John Birch Society and Barry Goldwater were icons in my home. My father even voted once for George Wallace for president.
If a prominent Jew in my little town was a successful attorney, doctor or banker, they were referred to as such with (fill in the blank) derogatory terms preceding the Jew occupation. Jew and blacks. They received equal condemnation.
My father was a terrible bigot and racist. My cousin had a black POODLE that my dad wouldn't even permit in the house. He paid school tuition for another school during my first two years in school so I wouldn't have to go to the school less than a mile away from me because the students were 99% black. Then he couldn't afford it any more, and I was sent to the closer school.
Will never forget one Saturday when I was in third grade, going downtown with my parents for the day and seeing one of my classmates with her family, who we passed on the street. We both smiled at each other and said hello. My father SCREAMED at me in front of my classmate and her family, telling me I wasn't allowed to speak to _____. I remember feeling humiliated beyond belief, and that hurt even more than the beating I got with his belt when we got home. The embarrassment lasted a lot longer than the welts on my legs from that beating. Whatever lesson he was trying to teach me backfired because all I could think of was how nice my schoolmate was and how STUPID and HATEFUL he acted.
When I was a teenager, I worked for the local radio station and became very friendly with the news director (a JEW). He used to get me involved in all different aspects of the station that had nothing to do with my job. (He even talked me into doing a commercial.) If he had been a Jewish classmate of mine who I had been hanging out with, I would have been punished yet again. Instead, my mom thought it was so cool because this guy was basically a celebrity who was on the radio daily. I learned the true meaning of hypocrite very early on in my life.
In my mid 20s, I went to work for a Jewish attorney in my small town. Never, ever, EVER was I treated so well at a job with bonuses and raises, etc. Gorgeous bachelor to boot! LOL. We became very good friends and sometimes would have a drink after work together and just talk. I remember once he told me that I was the only girlfriend he ever had. When I asked him what he meant, he said Well, you're a girl, and you're my friend. LOL.
My daughter was in grade school at the time (ironically at the very same school I mentioned above), and every afternoon, I would leave the office to pick her up from school and bring her back to the office so she could be safe and with me until my workday ended. This wasn't my idea. It was HIS. I remember once when my birthday was on a weekend, he called me with a work emergency and asked me if I could go to the big city (about an hour away where he lived and had another office) to help with some work. He told me to bring my daughter who could stay with his mom and watch wrestling on their big screen TV while I worked. (My daughter and his mom both believed it was real, and they were good buddies.) The whole thing was a rouse just to get us there. He surprised us with a weekend stay at the plushest hotel there, room service, movies, ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that we wanted, and he paid for it.
While I worked for him, my beloved aunt died. She truly was a Christian, was the organist at church, and most importantly, lived her life in a loving way (unfortunately, not a hereditary trait in my family). She had named me as co-owner on a certificate of deposit. My Christian aunts, her sisters and the executors of her estate, refused to give it to me. I'll never forget going to my aunt's house at their request, only to have them all sitting like some kind of posse on the front porch, SCREAMING at me for everyone to hear, telling me I'd never get it, and telling me to go run to my ***damn Jew lawyer. I finally did have to hire a lawyer, but it wasn't him. I was too ashamed of my family to involve him in this. They were finally forced to turn it over to me about a year later, but they never gave me my mother's wedding gown, which I had requested and which had always been stored at my aunt's house. I had wanted to give it to my daughter for her wedding, but I never saw it again. What wonderful Christians.
I refuse to believe that my small town was the only one in America with such wonderful Christian values, and I lived in the north. It's even worse in some areas of the south. From reading these boards, it's obvious that many of today's Christians are driven by extreme gutteral hatred, so I'm VERY surprised to suddenly see that they're so sympathetic to Jews. I don't believe for one second that they have an iota of respect for Jews -- either the ethnic group or the religion. What I do believe is that they're only thinking of the LOCATION of Israel and how it affects THEIR religion. Maybe I wouldn't feel that way if the hatred and intolerance and lies of some of these posters wasn't so obvious and if they didn't follow so closely the policies of Bush that do nothing but take us back into the 1950s (as Roberts would like to do, particularly with women). So many of these people remind me of the mentality I experienced in my childhood, and I believe it's alive and well today. The only difference they're wolves in sheeps' clothing today because they can no longer publicly say the things that I heard growing up and can only say these things in private when they're with their kind. In my adult life still, some misread me and think I'm one of them. It still exists. It's alive and well in America.
This sudden love of Israel and Jews is about the most disingenuous thing I've ever seen come from loving, tolerant Christians.
The can go ahead and flame away. Wrap themselves in the Bible and the American flag and destroy, deny and lie. That's how some American Christians communicate today, from Bush all the way down, down, DOWN to some posters on these boards. I must have somehow missed the day when God decided to condone blatant lying. I believe that's morally wrong. But what do I know about values? I'm a liberal.
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How do you think Jews feel when Obama shuns The Holocaust. Did their white skin give them a pass in any way before they were thrown en mass into those ovens? It wasn't right then, either. None of it is.
Just something to think about.
Well, the Jews came first :-)
More stupid propaganda...
Yes, the Jews were here first........sm
but that did not stop Hitler from his cruel treatment of them, did it? And it would not stop a Muslim's cruel treatment of them, as well as the Christians and atheists and anyone else who will not accept their Allah, should the situation present itself. And they will make the situation present itself.
The destruction of America will be an inside job, just as the Muslims promised.
What he said about the Jews...(sm)
is absolutely correct. What was posted previously: Wright said, according to Virginia's Daily Press. "They will not let him ... talk to somebody who calls a spade what it is."
What was said: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfDeRY7IgcQ
Please note what was left out (replaced with "..."). He's not just slamming Jews in general. He's talking about the influence of the Jewish vote in this country (which is a problem).
"Ethnic cleansing is going on in Gaza. Ethnic cleansing of the Zionist is a sin and a crime against humanity, and they don't want Barack talking like that because that's anti-Israel," Wright said.
This is also true. The man is doing nothing more than speaking the truth and getting harrassed for it.
Are there no French Jews? TI
This is news to me! I also speak German and Hebrew. What is your point?
Do Jews go to heaven?
You might want to read the book in the Bible called Hebrews, which is a letter the apostle Paul, who was a Jew's Jew, wrote to the Hebrews. The question should be, Is anyone going to heaven? Heaven is the throne room of God. None of us are going to spend eternity in heaven, but in the New Jerusalem. See the next to last chapter of the Bible, (chapter 21, verse 2). Better yet, read the two last chapters of the Bible. We are not actually going to the New Jerusalem, but we are becoming the New Jerusalem - a corporate entity composed of the triune God and all His believers. However, if you read the 1st verse of the book of the Revelation, we see that it is a book of signs. The New Jerusalem is the ultimate sign.
PERFECTING JEWS?
NO ONE WHO TALKS ABOUT PERFECTING JEWS IS ENTERTAINING..DO YOU UNDERSTAND??
No one said he speaks for all the Jews
don't ass-u-me.
It's funny, you say you get Christianity "shoved" down your throat everywhere, but everywhere I go I get sex, violence, and other "worldly" things that I find disgraceful shoved down mine. I'm expected to sit by and just accept all that without saying anything, but you (and others who think your way) should be allowed to say that we have to get out of everything but our homes and churches? Do you not see the double standard? Those of us who want to live the Christian life can't even go into the mall without seeing sex ads and innuendos about cheating, and lately I can't walk through a store without hearing someone using filthy language left and right. But I should just put up with it, right?
He wrote about Jews and communism. sm
He read many of Henry Ford's writings when he (Hitler) was in prison. He included these thoughts/tenents in Mein Kampf.
Yes? Tell that to 40 million dead Jews. NM
You are speaking of Orthodox Jews? SM
Yes, well, I admire their faith. And this will be my last discussion with you on this particular subject.
What is Cindy doing to the jews? This is news.
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Will Palin Scare the Jews?
We think the conventional wisdom, now, is that Sarah Palin is a cynical appeal not to Hillary voters but to the Republican "base," which means religious white people. It's a last-ditch effort to win just one more with George W. Bush's coalition, not to bring in those moderates John McCain supposedly appeals to most. But here's the risk: the old, conservative Jewish vote McCain's had in the bag since day one? They might not like this lady so much. As you can see in this clip (attached below), even Ben Stein—the Nixon speechwriter so happy to pretend to be something other than an educated East Coast elitist that he'll hop in bed with creationists—is insulted and shocked by the Palin pick. This is just the beginning. The New York Sun, that probably doomed organ of intellectual Zionist conservatism, seemingly also can't quite believe this selection. Allow them to tell you about Sarah Palin's grand plans for The Jews!
The disclosure that last month Governor Palin's church hosted the executive director of Jews for Jesus, who told congregants that violence against Israeli Jews is God's punishment for their failure to accept Jesus, is going to be the next club that Mrs. Palin's leftist critics pick up against her. The Jewish Telegraphic Agency quotes Mrs. Palin's pastor at Wasilla Bible Church, Larry Kroon, as saying that he doesn't believe Jews for Jesus are deceptive. "Look at Paul and Peter and the others — they were Jews and believed in Jesus as the messiah," he told JTA. "There's gentile believers and there's Jewish believers that acknowledge Jesus as messiah. There's Swedish believers."
They go on to half-assedly defend Palin by mentioning Jeremiah Wright and how there's no "religious test" for the presidency, but the Jews For Jesus are far outside the mainstream even for practicing evangelicals. Jewish Defense League Anti-Defamation League [I do know the difference! Whoops!] head Abe Foxman is pretending it's not a big deal by invoking the Spanish Inquisition (done by Catholics, not Protestants!) but his own organization has a longer, richer history of warning people about the deceptive and offensive tactics of the Jews for Jesus.
Sarah Palin's Jews for Jesus setting up shop in Wasilla, Alaska almost reminds us of Michael Chabon's charming The Yiddish Policeman's Union, his detective novel set in an alternate universe in which Americans settled Jewish WWII refugees in Alaska and Israel died before it was born. The incongruous idea of a Jewish settlement in far-off Sitka gives the book much of its uneasy atmosphere, especially in the mentions of the current fictional President of the US, an evangelical Christian promising to finally kick those Jews out of the pristine frontier, "pledging to restore Alaska for Alaskans, wild and clean."
The Democrats more or less handed Florida over to the Republicans when they selected (sorry, we'll say it) a black man without a rich history of pro-Israel hawkishness (even though he saw the light and came around pretty dam quick). This, though, might actually put it back in play.
Google has 637,000 entries on Jews and communism. sm
But I guess you read the one history book that didn't have that in it. Unbelievable.
Certainly the Jews have suffered enough but not enough for Cindy. Educate yourself. nm
So Jews go to heaven or must they convert to your religion first?
Just curious.
Please answer my question. Do Jews go to heaven?
I don't know where you live, but I live in the United States of America. We have freedom of religion in this country, and I'm still allowed to believe in God even if I don't share your particular religious beliefs. I thought God was the only one who passes judgment on people. What gives you the right to judge me and others on this board so negatively?
Please answer my question. Do Jews go to heaven?
this is history: It was the Jews who crucified Jesus.
Now you want Jesus to come back and take you home? Are you sure that you are a Christian?
Bush told reporter Jews as "all going to hell."
Book: Bush told reporter Jews are 'all going to hell'
09/02/2006 @ 7:53 pmFiled by Larisa Alexandrovna
An upcoming book about presidential advisor Karl Rove reports allegations of anti-semitism by President George W. Bush, RAW STORY has learned.
In The Architect: Karl Rove and the Master Plan for Absolute Power, Austin-based journalist James Moore and Wayne Slater, senior political reporter for the Dallas Morning News, will allege that Bush once made anti-semitic comments to a reporter.
You know what I'm gonna tell those Jews when I get to Israel, don't you Herman? a then Governor George W. Bush allegedly asked a reporter for the Austin American-Statesman.
When the journalist, Ken Herman, replied that he did not know, Bush reportedly delivered the punch line: I'm telling 'em they're all going to hell.
This quip never received wider media attention. RAW STORY obtained a copy of The Architect late this week.
Bush's thoughts on the fate of non-Christian souls became a minor source of controversy after he told the Houston Post in 1993 that only those who accept Jesus Christ go to Heaven. However, the future president was also earlier briefly engaged to a half-Jewish woman.
The authors of The Architect assert that religion and ethnicity have been manipulated by Bush and Rove to divide and conquer the nation.
More information about the book, to be released Tuesday, can be found here.
Germany, who killed millions of Jews wants to prosecute Rumsfeld.
That makes sense.
the definition of anti-semitism is prejudice against or hostility towards Jews. SM
The terms literal meaning may indeed include all semitic people, it is used exclusively to refer to hostility towards Jews which you have displayed here in living color.
Robertson to build theme park in Israel; Jews unwilling to convert
Plans for Holy Land theme park on Galilee shore where Jesus fed the 5,000
· Evangelical groups and Israel on brink of deal
· Some Israelis fear motives of US Christian right Conal Urquhart in Tel Aviv
Wednesday January 4, 2006
Guardian The Israeli government is planning to give up a large slice of land to American Christian evangelicals to build a biblical theme park by the Sea of Galilee where Jesus is said to have walked on water and fed 5,000 with five loaves and two fish.
A consortium of Christian groups, led by the television evangelist Pat Robertson, is in negotiation with the Israeli ministry of tourism and a deal is expected in the coming months. The project is expected to bring up to 1 million extra tourists a year but an undeclared benefit will be the cementing of a political alliance between the Israeli rightwing and the American Christian right.
However, the alliance has not been welcomed by all Israelis, including some who fear the ultimate aim of the evangelicals is the conversion of the Jews to Christianity rather than support for Israel.
Jonathan Pulik, a spokesman for the Israeli ministry of tourism, said the Christian market was very important for Israel's tourism industry. We would like to give them more of a reason to come here. We would be willing to lease the land to them free of charge and they would finance the construction.
The site of the centre, covering nearly 50 hectares (125 acres) and provisionally called the Galilee World Heritage Park, would be north-east of the Mount of the Beatitudes where Jesus delivered the Sermon on the Mount, and Capernaum which was described as the town of Jesus in the Bible. It would feature a garden and nature park, an auditorium, a Holy Land exhibition, outdoor amphitheatres, information centre and a media studio.
The ministry of tourism estimates the total cost would be $48m (£28m). Mr Pulik also pointed out that the project would bring large numbers of jobs to the area. Mr Robertson said in a statement that he was fully cooperating with the project but no deal had been formalised. He said he was thrilled that there will be a place in the Galilee where evangelical Christians from all over the world can come to celebrate the actual place where Jesus Christ lived and taught.
The Sea of Galilee is more reminiscent of the Scottish Highlands than the Middle East, particularly in winter and spring when the hills are green. The existing Christian sites are picturesque and understated oases of calm and there is even a Church of Scotland hotel and church in Tiberias, the main town in the area.
A major part of the shore of the Sea of Galilee was Syrian until it was conquered by Israel in 1967. Syria and Israel are still officially in a state of war and Syria insists the return of the Golan Heights and the Galilee shore is a prerequisite for peace.
Uri Dagul, the project coordinator, said the land issues would be concluded within a few weeks and then the final details would be agreed between the Israeli government and the Christian communities which are primarily American evangelical churches.
The American Christian right, best known for television evangelism and its stars such as Mr Robertson and Jerry Falwell, has been among the strongest supporters of Israel in the US.
The primary reason is that according to the Old Testament, Israel was given to the Jews by God. Fundamentalist Christians believe that in order for Jesus to return, two preconditions are Jewish control of the land of Israel and the conversion of the Jews to Christianity.
Yossi Sarid, a former government minister and member of the Knesset, said he was wary of the friendship of the American Christian right and projects such as the Galilee centre. He said: I am not enthusiastic about this cooperation because I have no desire to be cannon fodder for the evangelists.
As a Jew, they believe I have to vanish before Jesus can make his second appearance. As I have no plans to convert, as an Israeli and a Jew, I find this a provocation. There is something sinister about their embrace.
Avraham Hirschson, the Israeli tourism minister, said: I'm not a theologian, I'm the minister of tourism, and I'm not interested in the politics of our tourists as long as they come here. They come here as tourists, and they're friends of Israel.
Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2006
It's not Arab land tho'. The land has always belonged to the Jews!
Whatever the U.S. does or doesn't do where Israel and the middle east is involved is irrelevant. The land of Israel is THE promised land. It belongs to the Jews. They have had to fight for it against odds stacked against them and have won.
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