No more than any of the Dem posters on this board....

• Demoguttercratic politics... - sam
  • Being an objective observer, the repugnants appear to be the most evil. - Surely you jest.
    • Spoken like a true UNeducated person. Generalize some more. - Objective my a$$. sm
    • LOVED the tick comparison! - Ticks they ARE,
      • Amazing...absolutely amazing... - sam
        • Well heavens-to-betsy! You are just SO - above us all in your pseudo-righteousness.
          • I think you already have someone to light candles and pray to... - sam
            • So.... Sam! A question here. You've retorted to every - post on this board. Do you actually.... WORK?
              • Yes. I multitask and you all inspire me. nm - sam
    • Objective?? ROFL..... - sam
      • This observation is made by a Canadian MT. - We think you republicans are STRANGE. (NM)
        • love you, canada!! - tootie
        • A Canadian thinks someone else is strange. - Good one, eh? nm
          • Typical, make a nasty comment and run. You have no credibility with anyone with any brains. nm - oldtimer
            • Oldtimer - I enjoy your - tootie
            • Excuse me? So it's only allowed to say bad things - about republicans? sm
              • I did not mean typical of either party, just what I see as typical on - this board. nm
                • Thanks, that's good to hear. - Had me worried there. sm
        • The "world" says vote Obama... - sam
          • In case you aren't aware (and I doubt you are) - 'the World' is smarter than you.
          • MYOB - tootie
        • Doesn't work that way. - sm
          • First of all, - sm
            • if McCain gets in - tootie
  • Hey Sambo. How bout that AIP speech. - More gutter politics, or harsh dose of reality? n
    • I listened to the speech. It probably sounded a lot like the one Obama.. - sam
      • you state "probably" and then - ttp
        • I repeat...she mentioned upholding the Alaskan... - sam
          • Really, do you not - shameonit
            • I also prove posts wrong here daily... - sam
              • come on, don't keep stealing - tootie
              • Is that your mission in life? To try to prove that - everyone else in the world is wrong?
                • No more than any of the Dem posters on this board.... - sam
                  • cant accept any responsibility - tootie
          • Bill Clinton is a murderer -- oh I - ttp
            • I did not say Bill Clinton was a murderer... - sam
              • well if you are from - shameonit
                • Now that makes all kinds of sense. Sheesh. I am sure murders occur... - sam
  • We learned it from you guys - nm
    • Check the threads below....all you all the time.... - sam
      • My biggest problem with the 'pubs is you guys ain't - got no sense of HUMOR.
        • No, you dems just ain't funny. - Stop acting like you know something. nm
        • I can't speak for "pubs" ....I'm not one.... - sam
          • Oh, REALLY? Like you guys don't start to -sm - ?
            • Look....you can deny all you want to and of course you will... - sam
        • Afer 8 years of W, nation deserves good chuckle. - Good times, too. As we saw at DNC...sm
          • Democrat hasn't won the presidency yet. - Can't wait until they do, though. sm
          • Yes, I have seen in the past few days the kind of party dems like to throw... - sam
            • Like I said, ' PAR-TAY' !!!!! - And then par-tay some more.
          • After 8 yrs. of the Dubster, you better believe it's - time to PAR-TAY!

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forgot to read the post by the moderator. If they did, they wouldn't be acting so childish.

This used to be a nice place to discuss issues, but no more. It's been taken over by hostile posters. I stayed away for over a month and come back to what???...it's worse then ever!!!! They don't want to discuss issues. They just flame those that have a different opinion.

You have to stay cool and calm and take every post at face value, not get involved in a stupid argument, which is what most of these posts are lately, and not yell or use name-calling.

Freedom of speech does not work on this board and that is why I try not to post anymore. I just read and, sometimes, laugh at some of the most ridiculous ones, then count to 10 if I want to answer in an inflammable way...and leave the board instead.

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Discussing such hot topics can really incite emotions.  We expect far more tolerance and, to a degree, a thicker skin from posters here. 

Posts with foul language or threats should definitely be reported.  However, simply because you disagree or find a post or poster abrasive does warrant removal.

Please always provide a link for news stories or cited information. 

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The topics on this board can be very inflammatory and sensitive.  In general, you need to be able to control your emotions and develop a "thick skin" to get along on this board. 

Please remember that the Politics board is for political issues/topics.  Anything regarding faith, religion, God, atheism, etc., belongs on the Faith board and those topics will be removed. 

We are not moderating the Politics board to make it a "nice" place to have "nice" discussions.  We moderate it to ensure that as much opportunity to express views, discuss opinions, and debate topics exists.  There will be heated exchanges sometimes.  Respect and civility can be maintained even when debates occur.  This means that you will have to moderate your own reading/responding at times. If a specific poster upsets you, don't read the post.  Sometimes you will simply need to refrain from posting. 

On occasion, there will be hit-and-run posters or trolls who try to upset you with their posts.  Ignore those posts. The more you respond, the more you feed their need for attention.  If there is foul language, hate speech, threats of violence or personal attacks, please use the REPORT THIS MESSAGE feature available.  Do not try to police the board yourself nor try to rally people to your support.  Let us simply weed out the posts and posters, as necessary.

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This board is not moderated for "niceness".  There are controversial topics discussed here, as openly as we can allow.  You WILL find topics, opinions, subject matter that you disagree with.  However, just because you personally don't like it does not mean it warrants removal.  Please do report posts you feel are objectionable but understand that every person who reads and/or posts here should be practicing a pronounced effort at tolerance and allow a wide lattitude for differing opinions. 

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all the time?  I don't need to grow any skin, thank you.  If people are just simply NICE and treat me with respect, they receive the same in turn.  It's called the golden rule.  Liberals on this board follow the golden rule.  It's the conservatives who must constantly attack, and frankly, it's tiresome.  You add nothing of value to this board.  NOTHING.

Why?  Because they don't all agree with your highness?

Point out one post on this board that condones what they did.

You're pathetic.

some respect?

You publicly post on the other board that you *try not to visit the bog of eternal stench.*

Well, doesn't look like you are trying all that hard. Or is that another example of Conservative honesty, like your buddy on the other board lies 3 times before suddenly deciding to be *up front* (in her own words) about the whole bogus line of crap she was spouting.

You and your 2 friends don't respect anyone unless they're a member of your little club, think exactly as you think, belong to the same political party as you belong, and believe in the very same little narrow SUBsection of one particular religion.

That's what I interpret from YOUR WRITTEN WORDS.  Your posts don't show respect.  They only show twisted *facts*, ignorance, anger and hatred.

You can't be *respectful* on your own board but suddenly, when you come here - HERE - the place YOU call *the bog of eternal stench* you suddenly discover some respectability during your mouse click from there to here?

Please.  Some of us aren't as stupid as you think we are.

You're becoming quite a bore.  You and your friends stated you don't want us on your board, but you're not happy unless you're picking a fight.  You and your *gang* told us to leave and not to post on *your* board.  Maybe that should work both ways.

Out of ALL the problems with radical Conservatives, maybe the most annoying thing is that you don't believe in equality at all.  You believe in SUPERIORITY.  Somewhere along the line, someone made you think you were special and above everyone else.  Sheesh!  You're not happy unless you're dictating to everyone else in the country what they're allowed to do in their own personal lives regarding life, death, science, etc. You even think YOUR GOD IS BETTER than everyone else's.

You want to make the rules, censor people and tell them which boards they can and cannot post on, but YOU want to invade them all and spew your ignorance and hatred. 

In my heart, I believe there are sincere, honest, intelligent Conservatives out there who are capable of a sensible debate.  I've seen them.  (I hope you don't chase them away, too.)  But and your crew don't fall in that category, and this will be the last of your inane posts I will subject myself to.

Talk about stench. Just read your very own posts.

Can we get the political board back to the true purpose of this board – to share opinions of why we like our candidate.  Not bash and cut down others because they don’t agree with you.

I stayed away from this board for the past couple days because anyone who had anything positive to say about Sarah Palin got slammed, bashed, kicked down, etc.  After awhile I found it all too draining, and was not seeing any reason to come.  Yes, I did see some of it towards people who favored Barack Obama, but if you read the posts again it is mostly towards anyone who favored Sarah Palin/John McCain.

I thought the political board was for posting information regarding politics and candidates.  What I have seen for the past few days is that it has been an attack board.  Especially if you have anything positive you want to share about Sarah Palin.  You say something good about her and you get attacked, you answer back, and you get attacked more, and then when you get mad and pretty much say stop attacking me, they come back with this “Geez, I’m allowed to have an opinion”.

Another thing I am tired of seeing is the slanderous, hate filled, really off the wall comments about Sarah Palin.  The latest was something about her daughter actually had her baby.  Talk about just bizarre comments.  I thought what’s next, she’s an alien from another planet?  The more I kept reading the more the comments were getting just really weird and bizarre.  Of course nobody ever having any proof of any of these allegations.  I then came to realize that the posters were just trying to get a fight going.

I also saw posts that had nothing to do with politics but attacking a poster named Sam.  Again, probably trying to get another fight going for no good reason and on things that have nothing to do whatsoever with politics.  I’ve read “Sam is like an annoying nat that you sway away”, “Sam, please let me know where you work” or “she must have her quota” or “sam is to the politics board as oracle is to the”  This childish rhetoric is getting old.  I’m not defending sam she is a big girl and I can see by her posts she can take care of herself, but my point is that this has nothing to do with politics.  If you want a fight maybe you could request that the administrator create a separate “fight and degrade” section.

I’ve read the administrators post a couple different times called Beware of Flaming.  She/he said as long as we realize that not everyone is going to agree we shouldn’t wear our feelings on our sleeves and a little more oversight on here would be good.  Let people express his or her opinion and move on.  If you don’t like someone just ignore that person. “It’s not rocket science, you know” (I liked that statement)

I consider posting on this board a privilege and not a right.  If you don’t agree with something and you post that you don’t agree and state the facts why (and are civilized about it) that’s one thing, but when you bash and degrade others without showing proof and just want to start fights and belittle others it just seems a bit juvenile to me.

I come to the politics board to hear ideas and stuff (facts) about the candidates.  That is how I’m learning about each one, but I don’t want to read people attack other posters for no good reason.  I'd like to hear about Obama/Biden & McCain/Palin, but I want to hear facts.

If you like to fight so much why don’t you pick on people that you can fight to face to face. 

here about the liberal issues, the more we have, the more the bilge from the right will be diluted.  Don't be run off, now girl.

on this board ever consider that this country is lost to yokels and religious fanatics who actually enjoy the vittrole of the Fox nation?  That they elevate a corrupt, sarcastic shrew nobody to a Great New Candidate?  That they actually view anyone from any other country in the world as a scarey fur-i-ner and think that the fact other countries look down upon us is proof we are #1? Our schools have gone steadily downhill.  Our families are falling apart.  There are basically fewer and fewer educated and intelligent people around to see beyond the poison being spoonfed to us by the republicans.  Remember in the Frankenstein movies there was only 1 monster but dozens and dozens of ignorant village people whipped up in a frenzy chasing him with sticks and torches.  We will have the government we deserve.  You can bank on it. 

1. Bush ignored the advice of more than 450 economists, including the Bush administration's own Economic Advisement Council and his own treasury secretary, when they warned that his tax cuts would fail as a growth stimulus, increase inequality and worsen the budget outlook


2. Unemployment rate rose from 4.2% in January 2001 to 6.3% in the first 2-/12 years of the Bush administation.


3. During the first 6 years, income rose an abysmal 1.6%.  Though the inflation rate was at historic lows during those years, (2% to 3%), income failed rise at the same historically low rate.


4. Poverty rates rose from 11.7% in 2001 to 12.7% in the first 6 years.


5. When compared to business cycles from the previous 50 years (1949 to 2000), Bush policies underperformed in terms of GDP, jobs, income and consumption…especially in the jobs sector.  Go here and scroll down to the economic growth section for a really cool graph that illustrates this point.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_policy_of_the_George_W._Bush_administration


6. Income inequality rose as the Bush policies benefitted the top 1% of the income earners.  The Congressional Budget Office, shows that "the average after-tax income of the richest one percent of households rose from $722,000 in 2003 to $868,000 in 2004, after adjusting for inflation, a one-year increase of nearly $146,000, or a whopping 20 percent.  In 2005, the top 1% received its largest share of gross income since 1928. 


7. Total budget surplus for FY 2001 was $128 billion dollars.  Here's how W eliminated that and added to the US public debt: 

Fiscal Year                 Value                           %GDP

2001                            144.5 billion (B)         1.4%

2002                            409.5B                        3.9%2003                            589.0B                        5.5%2004                            605.0B                        5.3%2005                            523.0B                        4.3%2006                            536.5B                        4.1%2007                            459.5B                        3.4%

Notice how the value and %GDP trend reversed under the democratic congress.

8.    Pubs like to blame dems for opposing oversight on Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae.  They fail to mention that the 2 times during the Bush administration the issue of an oversight agency was entertained occurred in 2003 and 2005…under republican majorities in both House and Senate.  Those dems must have had some help from somewhere. 

were from posters from within the U.S.

There are way too many personal attacks, foul language and abusive posts going on here. 

Read the sticky above.  Also read that it is NOT saying to write whatever you want on here. 

We're getting loaded with report after report after report to delete messages from this board. 

Back off and take it easy on people.  Absolutely NO MORE personal attacks.  You don't have to like a candidate, but that doesn't make the poster who does any less of person nor do they deserve to be attacked or belittled or called names. 

The same is true for those that are reporting absolutely every little thing on here.  Read the sticky.  Beware of flaming in these posts.  If you are too sensitive to be on a political board, then please don't read the posts. 

discourage you.  Keep spreading the word.  As a previous O supporter, I knew that he was pro-choice.  I did not, however, know to what extreme.  I simply thought he chose to support Roe v. Wade, as many do.  Had it not been for this board, I never would have researched and found out about the FOCA.  There are people on this board who can still be won over.  Keep on "harping"!!!

The people who are trying to keep religion out of politics are the same ones trying to keep it out of our schools, our money, and ultimately our homes. 

If you have a problem with a post, use the Report Message button at the top of the screen.  Do not post openly about it.

Personal attacks are not going to be left on the board.  Discuss your views and perspectives, debate, argue but leave off personal attacks. 

Every poster here has the right to their own opinion.  As long as there is no inappropriate language, name calling, hate speech or maliciousness, opinions can be expressed.   While "freedom of speech" may be a right in the US, this is a privately owned site and the degree of "freedom" to say what you want is limited to what the board's administration outlines. 

Whether or not you agree with the morality or position of a particular view is something you will have to moderate within yourself.  You can do this by determining what you will and will not read.  Stop with the personal banter trying to "notify" posters you are not reading their posts any longer, etc.  Simply stop. 

Reading the Politics board is an exercise in tolerance, patience and flexibility. 

Feel free to email the moderators or administrator at any time. 

Moderator: Cher  (cher@mtstars.com)

I need a house. We are living in a basement, the front sided and open so we can have windows, but 3 sides under ground. This was the basement of the home we were going to build on top. Build this place for $10,000 using as much as we could from the old house that was flooded out in ྜ and had to build on higher ground even though we live on a hill.

We won't go into debt now because the county states our place is worth $100,00. Yeah, right. Try to get a loan or HELOC (which we would never do now). We'll live like this until we win the lottery. LOL

nm