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My *teacher* has provided the Bible...

Posted By: Observer on 2007-02-06
In Reply to: twinge - delighted

the same Bible that says Do Unto Others is very clear about homosexuality. It is called an abomination. Not too many ways you can take that. Therefore, the twinge you feel about homosexual marriage probably was not caused by bad cheese. But, as we all know, no one but you will have to explain your decisions when you stand before Him, and no one but me will have to explain my decisions when I stand before Him.

God bless.


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    This teacher has her nerve.
    1. Graduate from high school.
    Good, I agree.


    2. Get a job - keep it, no matter how much money.

    So she would have her students stay at McDonalds the rest of their lives, no matter how much money they make. Don't strive for anything more (ya know, some older people have this mindset).


    3. Never have a baby out of wedlock.

    This makes me a bad person.

    4. Get married and stay married.

    I hope she explained to them not to stay in an abusive relationship just for the sake of staying married.

    Aside from #1, these are definitely not things that you want to have drilled into a 7th graders mind.

    Definitely don't stop at the principal, they back up the teachers in most cases. BTDT.

    The case was about a teacher
    There was a case where they were trying to ban a teacher from wearing a cross.

    maybe he became a spelling teacher
    HA HA HA
    Like my teacher used to say, if you have nothing worth
    xx
    This probably all started with a 7-yo misunderstanding his teacher.nm

    In the case you gave if the teacher said...sm
    *I'm not in any way trying to tell you what you should believe of think but I am going to put this out there for you thing about...Some people believe Jesus Christ died and was born again for the sins of man.*

    I still wouldn't see the problem. You have to listen to the entire statement. He said pointedly that he was not trying to tell the students how they should believe. But, if all you got over the newswaves were the butt end *Jesus died and was born again for the sins of man* then the entire point would be lost anyway.

    That said, I think this teacher needs to find a job in a political science class where his comments would be more appropriate. I don't think he should be fired but a) moved to a political science class or b) told to stick to the cirriculum. I don't think either will be enough for those out for blood on this case.


    That teacher also burned a cross into a student's arm.
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,369549,00.html
    No, I equate him with a false teacher/leader
    xx
    4th grade teacher's letter to Obama

    April 17, 2009


    The White House
    1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
    Washington , DC 20500


    Mr. Obama:


    I have had it with you and your administration, sir. Your conduct on your recent trip overseas has convinced me that you are not an  adequate representative of the United States of America collectively or of me personally.


    You are so obsessed with appeasing the Europeans and the Muslim world that you have abdicated the responsibilities of the President of the United States of America . You are responsible to the citizens of the United States ... You are not responsible to the people of any other country on Earth.


    I personally resent that you go around the world apologizing for the United States telling Europeans that we are arrogant and do not care about their status in the world. Sir, what do you think the First World War and the Second World War were all about if not the consideration of the people of Europe ? Are you brain dead? What do you think the Marshall Plan was all about? Do you not understand or know the history of the 20th century?


    Where do you get off telling a Muslim country that the United States does not consider itself a Christian country? Have you not read the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution of the United States?


    This country was founded on Judeo-Christian ethics and the principles governing this country, at least until you came along, come directly from this heritage. Do you not understand this?


    Your bowing to the king of Saudi Arabia is an affront to all Americans. Our President does not bow down to anyone, let alone the king of Saudi Arabia . You didn't show Great Britain, our best and one of our oldest allies, the respect they deserve yet you bow down to the king of Saudi Arabia .. How dare you, sir! How dare you!


    You can't find the time to visit the graves of our greatest generation because you don't want to offend the Germans but make time to visit a mosque in Turkey ... You offended our dead and every veteran when you give the Germans more respect than the people who saved the German people from themselves.


    What's the matter with you? I am convinced that you and the members of your administration have the historical and intellectual depth of a mud puddle and should be ashamed of yourselves, all of you.


    You are so self-righteously offended by the big bankers and the American automobile manufacturers yet do nothing about the real thieves in this situation, Mr. Dodd, Mr. Frank, Franklin Raines, Jamie Gorelic, the Fannie Mae bonuses, and the Freddie Mac bonuses. What do you intend to do about them? Anything? I seriously doubt it.


    What about the U.S. House members passing out $9.1 million in bonuses to their staff members - on top of the $2.5 million in automatic pay raises that lawmakers gave themselves?


    I understand the average House aide got a 17% bonus. I took a 5% cut in my pay to save jobs with my employer. You haven't said anything about that. Who authorized that? I surely didn't!


    Executives at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac will be receiving $210 million in bonuses over an eighteen-month period, that's $45 million more than the AIG bonuses. In fact, Fannie and Freddie executives have already been awarded $51 million - not a bad take.


    Who authorized that and why haven't you expressed your outrage at this group who are largely responsible for the economic mess we have right now.


    I resent that you take me and my fellow citizens as brain-dead and not caring about what you idiots do. We are watching what you are doing and we are getting increasingly fed up with all of you.


    I also want you to know that I personally find just about everything you do and say to be offensive to every one of my sensibilities. I promise you that I will work tirelessly to see that you do not get a chance to spend two terms destroying my beautiful country.


    Sincerely,
    Every real American


    You are right on - that's all we ask for. If he would have provided it
    But because he has not and instead of providing he has it legally sealed goes to show you there is something to hide. This is one of the reasons the SC will be taking on this case.


    Teacher Probed Over Bush Remarks (see article)

    I'm glad we didn't have any whiners in our political science class in high school.  Our teacher was one that provoked thought, and this was during Clinton's presidency.   I think that's the whole point as unless you are a Bush loyalist who thinks any comment not praising him is against the law. 


    Teacher Probed Over Bush Remarks


    AURORA, Colo., March 3, 2006










    Overland High School students demonstrate March 2, 2006, in Aurora, Colo., to protest the school district's decision to put geography teacher Jay Bennish on administrative leave. (AP Photo/Aurora Daily Sun)


    Fast Fact


    A student recorded about 20 minutes of Bennish's class during a Feb. 1st discussion about President Bush's State of the Union speech and gave the recording to his father, who complained to the principal.





    (CBS/AP) About 150 students at a suburban Denver high school walked out of class to protest a decision to put a teacher on administrative leave while the school investigates remarks he allegedly made in class about President Bush, including a comment that some people compare Mr. Bush to Adolf Hitler.

    The protest came Thursday as administrators began investigating whether Overland High School teacher Jay Bennish violated a policy requiring balancing viewpoints in the classroom, Cherry Creek School District spokeswoman Tustin Amole said.

    It was peaceful. The students yelled, but there was no fighting, Amole said. Most of them did return to class.

    The suspension, says Amole, is a paid leave and is not a punitive situation... It just gives us the opportunity to talk to him, to talk to students.

    Overland High student Stacy Caruso says Bennish hasn't done anything wrong. In the classroom, says Caruso, everyone has their right to speak their opinion and he's not forcing any opinions on anyone.

    Another student, Derek Belloni, tells CBS News Station KCNC-TV reporter Rick Sallinger that Bennish is out of line.

    He's supposed to be teaching geography, says Belloni, and yet he's pushing a liberal agenda trying to convert kids to his side of the spectrum.

    A telephone number listed for Bennish, who has been teaching social studies and American history at Overland since 2000, had been disconnected.

    Sophomore Sean Allen recorded about 20 minutes of Bennish's class during a Feb. 1 discussion about President Bush's State of the Union speech and gave the recording to his father, who complained to the principal, Amole said.

    After listening to the tape, it's evident the comments in the class were inappropriate. There were not adequate opportunities for opposing points of view, she said.

    The student who made the tape agrees.

    I've been his class four weeks, says Allen, and I've never heard another side.

    Deborah Fallin, spokeswoman for the Colorado Education Association, which represents about 37,000 union teachers, said it will not represent Bennish because he is not a member.

    He's terribly upset about the fact that he can't teach right now, says David Lane, an attorney who is now representing Bennish. He's so upset and I am now his lawyer and we will be going to federal court.

    ©MMVI, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. The Associated Press contributed to this report.


    Links provided
    The words were witnessed by two McCain aides and three reporters who did not report it at the time.

    If it wasn’t true there would be lawsuits (which there are not). And with him running for president you KNOW he would be denying it as he is denying other things, but he is not denying it.

    Here are the links below where this information can be found. Many more links but I think five are enough.

    http://blogcritics.org/archives/2008/05/02/194648.php

    http://www.thepost.ohiou.edu/Articles/Opinion/Columns/2008/04/15/23789/

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/8/17456/91972/887/492360

    http://agonist.org/schecter/?p=8571

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=536_1210293502


    They've already provided the BC, but some
    just are not "satisfied" with it & insist on wasting the courts time & money, only to lose repeatedly because the whole thing is baseless.
    UN provided GPS coordinates and has
    has issued numerous statements that dispute this lie. If you watched the interview between the UN rep and Israel's spokesperson, you can see the Israeli skirt the issue and state the rockets were coming "from the vicinity" of the school. It's not like this would be the first time Israel has lied about their reasons for bombing schools.

    It's beside the point. If they KNEW this was a UN school (the the GPS coordinates AND the fact that it is clearly marked with the UN flag on its roof), that civilian refugee families had sought refuge there and they were putting large numbers of children at risk (they had been informed of this), the humane thing to do would have been to decide NOT TO BOMB IT.
    UN provided GPS coordinates and has
    has issued numerous statements that dispute this lie. If you watched the interview between the UN rep and Israel's spokesperson, you can see the Israeli skirt the issue and state the rockets were coming "from the vicinity" of the school. It's not like this would be the first time Israel has lied about their reasons for bombing schools.

    It's beside the point. If they KNEW this was a UN school (the the GPS coordinates AND the fact that it is clearly marked with the UN flag on its roof), that civilian refugee families had sought refuge there and they were putting large numbers of children at risk (they had been informed of this), the humane thing to do would have been to decide NOT TO BOMB IT.
    Yeah, because he provided SO MUCH
    Bush was a fool. History has shown that. Obama's history is not written yet, even though there are those on this board who like to think they can see into the future.
    This is just ridiculous and pathetic, doming out of the brain of a 4th grader, not the teacher's!
    nm
    O has already provided valid evidence and
    fanatics to hound and stalk him like hunted prey. Fanatics also unsuccessfully tried to use the guilt by association argument to win the election. It did not work then and is will not help them now.
    Where did I say McC camp provided this information?
    the word "fodder." With Webster at your fingertips, you might try looking it up next time before you leap to unfounded conclusions.
    the exmilitary man is on the link I provided -
    I did not hear him say he had to "push" through them - he just said they were there and he was not going to let them intimidate him.
    Did you even read the link you provided?
    Obama is requiring community service not military service. Community service is a constructive way to spend time and energy. War is a destructive way to spend time and energy.

    Obama also said that he would provide a college education to anyone who volunteers to do community service. This can only help make the United States a stronger and better nation. It sounds like a wonderful plan to me!

    The following is from the link you provided:

    The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps. Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.
    I did - and I'm the one who provided the actual quote
    Look. Just get this straight. If you know anything about Boehner at all, you will know perfectly well that he does not support the notion that cold rooms, sleep deprivation and caterpillars add up to torture.

    Intellectual honesty is a wonderful thing. Waiting to "pounce" on any fortuitous language that suits your purpose when you know very well that's what you're doing is NOT intellectual honesty and speaks ill of the character of those who practice this form of charade. I certainly don't respect you for it, although I do respect honesty in political discourse. I wish it weren't so rare.
    Poster asked for the link and I provided it.
    As far as preying, the articles and examples of that are, as they say in laboratory terminology, "too numerous to count."  And that is unfortunate. 
    If you copy the link I provided, paste it...

    into your browser and click "go," the page will come up with the entire article.  If you scroll down a bit, you will see the video screen which will work if you click on it.


    I just tried it, and it works fine.  I will try again to post the link below under "URL/Link." 


    I personally believe that your husband and all other soldiers who are placed in harm's way deserve so much better, whether it's safe food/water, safe electricity, better vehicles to protect them against IEDs, etc.  They are doing their best for us, and they deserve the best FROM us, IMHO.


    Employer provided medical insurance

    originated, I believe, during FDR's New Deal.  When wages were capped, employers found a way to circumvent this by providing ''sickness insurance'' for their employees, thus giving them a raise without violating the wage caps. 


    Another example of government meddling.  Had they not imposed wage caps, employers would have been able to keep paying their employees and give raises to enable them to afford their own healthcare.  But instead, we grew the employer-provided healthcare system we have now and people experience ''job lock,'' unable to move to another employer because of pre-existing conditions which may not be covered by a new company's insurance plan. 


    Of course it's income, always has been.  Same as use of a company car, or executive housing provided by a company (both of which are taxable to the extent they are used outside of actual business activities.)   I'm amazed nobody until now has taxed insurance.


    Does this constitute a new tax on people earning under $250 thousand (or $235 thousand, or whatever the new number is?) 


    I will, provided courtesy is held on the conservative board as well.
    /
    Bible
    I don't believe I ever stated that the bible supports abortion, if i did, that was a typo. I said that Christ did not teach on homosexuality, yet Christians can be quick to judge homosexuals.

    I do not believe that the bible says one way or another, though abortion has been practiced for 1000s of years by midwives through the use of herbs.

    As far as my belief in the bible, I don't believe every written word in the bible is the ispired word of God. It has been translated (and changed) by humans through the years to suit their needs. For many years, only the wealthy could read (and women generally were not allowed to), so the scriptures have been misinterpreted (in my opinion) often. I have studied Latin to try to gain some meaning from more ancient texts, but I truly believe that much of the bible is a praise work (as in the psalms) and historical, but not 100% the word of God.




    Bible







































    • The Antichrist comes after a falling away or apostasy. (2 Thessalonians 2:3)
         - At times forbids marriage (1 Timothy 4:3)
         - At times commands not to eat certain foods that God says are ok to eat. (1 Timothy 4:3-5)
         - Has other teachings that are devilish (1 Timothy 4:1; Acts 8:20; 1 John 3:8, 4)
    • The Antichrist is revealed before the second coming of Jesus. (2 Thessalonians 2:1-3)
    • The Antichrist has a visible leader. (Acts 20:30; 2 Thessalonians 2:4; Daniel 7:8)
    • The Antichrist comes from within the church. (Acts 20:30; 2 Thessalonians 2:4)
    • and then takes up residence in the church (2 Thessalonians 2:4)
    • The Antichrist rules for a long period of time. (Revelation 13:5, 12:6, 12:14; Daniel 7:25)
    • The Antichrist receives its power from the Devil. (Revelation 13:2; Revelation 12:9)
    • The Antichrist blasphemes God. (Revelation 13:5-6; Daniel 7:8,20,25)
    • The Antichrist tries to change God's law. (Daniel 7:25)
    • The Antichrist persecutes the people who keep God's law. (Revelation 13:2, 12:17, 14:12; Daniel 7:21)
    • The persecution diminishes prior to the end of the Antichrist's rule. (Matthew 24:22)
    • The Antichrist's long rule comes to an end. (Revelation 13:3)
    • The Antichrist again regains power and prestige. (Revelation 13:3)
    • The Antichrist deceives people around the world into worshipping it. (Revelation 13:3)
    • Another forces people to worship the Antichrist. (Revelation 13:11-12)
    • Miracles are used to deceive people into worshipping the Antichrist. (Revelation 13:13-14)
    • Some resist the authority of the Antichrist so economic sanctions are then used. (Revelation 13:16)
    • Some people still resist and a death decree is brought against them. (Revelation 13:15)
    • The Antichrist has a mark of authority that must be avoided at all costs. (Revelation 13:16-17, 14:9-10)

    "I think everyone had better get out their Bible
    AIN'T IT THE TRUTH????
    where in the bible does it say
    abortion is wrong? Don't give me the murder crap, where does it actually say ABORTION is wrong? Abortion has been going on since the beginning of time and I am pretty sure there was plenty of it going on in biblical times, yet I don't recall seeing it mentioned ANYWHERE in the bible.
    The Bible for one.......... sm
    and I believe I have a responsibility to uphold its laws above and beyond upholding the right of perverts to access p*rn in the library while my child happens to see it.

    I do believe morality has flown right out the window here. I think I need a shower now after participating in this thread with you.
    Says who? Your bible, which is nothing more than
    (no pun intended, of course)
    no I don't. I believe the Bible is the sm
    literal word of God and I believe it from front to back. There is a difference between reading a book and "studying" a book.
    The Bible
    is the only recognized source of even a knowledge of God. None of us would even know God if it weren't for the Bible. You go ahead and believe that. I'm not going to be in your corner.
    look beyond your Bible, so that you can
    see what is going on in the REAL world, not in the BIBLE WORLD.
    Bible not bad book at all...
    ...and should have its basic tenets taught right alongside of those of the Qur'an and the holy books of all other major world religions. Students of any age who wish to read the Bible in my opinion should certainly be able to do so anytime they wish. Same for all other holy/religious writings. A person's education really isn't complete without a fundamental understanding of all of the religions that shape our world.

    I would however sign any petition that forces anyone to do anything in the spirit of indoctrination or exclusion, or against any requirement that implies that THIS is the one true holy book and you WILL read it even if your negligent atheist going-to-hell-parents wouldn't force you to do it at home (and we're coming for them soon too - better join us if you know what's good for you). Unfortunately that is how this kind of requirement is perceived by many people in our current political climate - including me. And unfortunately, I believe this is exactly the attitude held by those who try to force such requirements into the public schools.

    I don't think it qualifies as a "random act of kindness" - but rather as a deliberate act of religious supremacism.


    The Bible says he did not "know" her
    until after Jesus was born.  What's your point?
    If you truly have read the Bible then you know...
    God makes no distinction for sin and lumps it all together except in a very few cases where the word *abomination* is attached, and homosexuality is one of those things. So I was not comparing a homosexual and a killer...I was comparing sins. And yes, we do sin, all of us, every day, and will have to account for that some day. But calling it other than a sin does not make it so, at least in my book. I did not call homosexuality an abomination...God did. So take your argument to Him. I choose to believe what He said. I do not hate anyone, I do not treat gays any differently than anyone else as fellow human beings. I have been lied to, stolen from...I don't hate those people, but I don't condone what they did. However, I do not condone homosexuality, any more than I condone lying, stealing, murder or any other sin. You can love an individual but not approve of the sin. That is what, I believe, treating others as you would be treated means. Treat the person with dignity without condoning the behavior. I don't believe in abortions, but I do not condone blowing up abortion clinics or shooting abortion doctors. I do not believe in changing laws to accept aberrant behavior, and we seem to keep trying to go down that road. Years ago, you are right...premarital sex did go on, but it was called what it was...a sin and something that should not be done. No longer the case. Same with homosexuality...it has gone on since time immemorial. But it was called wrong. There used to be laws against it in the US. No longer the case. What next? Polygamy? Bestiality? Necromancy? You say that could never happen here. Thirty years ago your parents probably would never have thought that adultery would be celebrated as entertainment news, premarital sex celebrated on prime time TV, and gay marriage becoming law. Just be careful what you wish for. You just might get it. We have experienced a big moral decline in this country and frankly, it did not begin with conservative Americans.

    My opinion only...don't attack all conservatives for what I say. Opinions differ. That is mine.
    What does Nostradamus have to do with the bible? sm
    Besides, wasn't what Nostradamus wrote so vague that it could be interpreted to 'predict' anything and everything... or nothing at all, depending on how it was interpreted?
    Read your Bible. The

    antichrist will come from Rome or EU.  Obama as the antichrist is absurd.


    Uh, last I checked, the Bible said
    to help those less fortunate than you, NOT those who just don't want to work but just want to collect money from the government for doing nothing.


    VOTING ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE
    I AGREE.
    Like the Bible says...."many shall come in my name..."
    saying you are a Christian does not make you one.
    I don't read the bible
    And I don't want to.

    Don't get me wrong. I've read it. I decided at a pretty young age that it's a fairy tale that for the most part was written by a lot of people who weren't around when Jesus was & that didn't have all that much to do with reality. If it works for you, fine. I don't need to read in some book what the right thing to do is, & I don't assign any particular importance to Jesus. I find it irritating, condescending and naive for someone to suggest that I should "know Jesus" and have my life saved.

    It's possible to think all of the above and still be a moral person, & what makes a lot of (not all) Christians narrow-minded is their belief that this isn't so, but they unfortunately can't see this from the narrow place from which they operate. Do I believe in God? I believe in the godhead; the life force; the force that drives the green shoot up, as Dylan Thomas would say; the inferno of activity in the nucleus of every cell... Do I believe this life force manifests as a person? Sure I do. The godhead is in everyone. Jesus didn't have any more of a hotline to the godhead than any of us has. The thing that makes a lot of (not all) Christians narrow-minded is their belief that "God" only speaks "Christian." This concept is too ridiculous for words. The godhead "speaks" every religious "language." I put this into quotes because I specifically don't personify the godhead; i.e., the godhead doesn't "do" the same things that a human body does, though in this instance it's a fairly good metaphor.

    I believe that everything -- EVERYTHING -- came from the godhead. Because I'm not a Christian, I don't believe in "The devil," who is a big enough part of that religion that you really must accept the existence of the devil if you want to be Christian, & I don't think that kind of polarization is healthy, nor do I have any compulsion to externalize/personify every human impulse into a creature with horns or one that sits on a cloud or whatever. The universe creates trying, challenging scenarios of all sorts, which in the interest not just of survival but of enlightenment are our tasks to address, understand, & solve, & these would include ALL forms of religious extremism.

    The bible is a book that simply doesn't interest me. There are spiritual books that do interest me for their complexity and illumination, but I don't need to live my life by any of them, & I don't need any of them to be a moral or spiritual person.

    There are many religions much, much older than Christianity. The godhead was here long before any of it (& believe me, it was longer than 4000 years) & we as a species did not only obtain the capacity for enlightenment after the bible was written or after Jesus arrived.

    If you "love Jesus," great. Go for it. Just don't end a conversation with some smug, proselytizing last word that in the end is just a way to think you are superior.
    bible quotes
    Yes, I am fairly familiar with Old Testament, in Hebrew, but thank you. The Psalm was written by David, not by G-d. As for Jeremiah, yes G-d does know our souls, before we are even human.

    Not sure what Bible you are reading........... sm
    but the quote I posted (paraphrased) is actually attributed to Joseph Dunniger.  Correctly quoted, it reads "For those who believe, no explanation is necessary; for those who do not believe, no explanation will suffice."

    Talk about needing to check one's sources! 

    I am squeezing my Bible right now
    because it is MY right to stay right here in AMERICA and squeeze my Bible ALL I WANT  WHEREVER I WANT.  I am also allowed to demand that PORN is not freely visible in public to my children.  sex is a natural way of life SURE but that doesnt mean I want my 11 year old little girl around it.  A u a MORON?  What if some guy is at the library and decides to flash his nudeness in public showing all his glory?  Is that OKAY TOO?  May as well be.  Seeing a naked person on line while walking by a computer in the library with my 11 year old is no different than seeing it in person in the library.  GET A GRIP and stop trying to take MY rights away.  I believe in Jesus and I am saved and I read the Bible and TRY to live by it and that is MY RIGHT. 
    But the bible is not the same as the constitution

    But the bible is not the same as the constitution
    Nobody is stopping you from living my biblical precepts. And nowhere have I heard of any attempt to force churches to perform marriage ceremonies (interesting word- ceremony, but I degress). But I was under the impression that one of the critical differences between the USA and almost any Middle Eastern country is that we base our laws on civil liberties rather than letting religion be our guide. There are a lot of things mentioned in the bible forbids that we routinely do- I can't tell you when I last had the sabbath off, nor can I tell you when I last got to stone a harlot. My then widowed father did not step in to marry my aunt when her husband died and zoning laws prevent me from keeping a fattened calf in the garage.

    My religious beliefs may not be in keeping with your religious beliefs, and neither one of us should be expected to live our life according to the other's.
    I don't know about the catholic Bible sm
    but have you ever really sat down and read your Bible or are you depending on a priest to interpret for you. You should sit down with your Bible and pray for the Holy Spirit to reveal his word to you.
    The Bible calls
    homosexual acts an "abomination." Look it up. It means "something to be hated." God tells us to hate that act. We obviously do not serve the same God. Mine teaches me to love all men and to hate sin such as homosexual acts. I believe you missed my point. Of course, it is possible to hate the sin and love the sinner but NOT if you are a member of the homosexual community. Once again, an opinion is not a judgement and it is a fact that homosexuality is abominable, ergo, disgusting if you worship the same God I do as I believe what He says. Of course, I have sinned. And I do not expect others to accept my sins as well and good. I don't even do that myself, so why should I accept that homosexuality is a good thing? My point is....We all sin, me included. You are not to accept my sin as good even though I may label myself as the sin I commit. You are not to hate me because of my sin but only hate my sin. People who commit homosexual acts and call themselves homosexuals would have us accept that sin because that is "who" they are not their sin. I don't think it's that difficult to understand.