My take on the subject, the short version.
Posted By: piglet on 2007-11-14
In Reply to: health care question - ravenswing
Every country has some form of socialized medicine. Ours is comprised of the poor, the elderly, and those giving service to our country (military and political of which number in the millions) both past and present that encompasses their family members as well through different benefit packages depending on where they fall within the system. I believe the major argument is about extending those benefits in a social manner outside of what is already in place.
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Stimulus plan...the short version....no one talks about....
Obama: I'm going to give you a one-time $500 tax rebate check.
I'm also going to give those people who don't work for a living, or pay into the system, a $500 check too.
Oh, did I forget to mention.....
You're going to owe the govt. $10,000 in taxes, once I can get away with asking you all to foot the bill for my stimulus package.
Stimulus plan...the short version....no one talks about....
Obama: My trillion dollar stimulus package, very dire, we must do something NOW, right now, before it gets worse. Therefore I'm going to......
I'm going to give you a one-time $500 check.
I'm also going to give those people who don't work for a living, or pay into the system, a $500 check too.
Oh, did I forget to mention.....
You're going to owe the U.S. govt. $10,000 in taxes, once I can get away with asking you all to foot the bill for my stimulus package.
Stimulus plan...the short version (fine print)....no one talks about....
Obama: My trillion dollar stimulus package, very dire, we must do something NOW, right now, before it gets worse. (I can sell anything...just tell me what to say.....) Therefore I'm going to......
I'm going to give you a one-time $500 check.
I'm also going to give those people who don't work for a living, or pay into the system, a $500 check too.
Oh, did I forget to mention.....
Each one of you taxpayers are going to owe the U.S. govt. $10,000 in taxes, once I can get away with asking you all to foot the bill for my stimulus package. (2 years down the line or so.....when we have to become fiscally responsible)
Here's a better version
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=i2naSzb1psU&feature=related
so your version
of freedom of speech is to allow anonymous people to go on and on and on and on about rumours and innuendos and twisty plots, but when someone expresses a thought that disagrees with yours, they are condemned as drug users. Whole lotta gaul, there binky.
O is just a younger version of the....sm
good ol' boys club, really. Young and vital, yeah, okay. Clever, no.
If he was really clever, and had something of value to offer me, I'd be voting for him.
We should start calling Obama, O'Same.
Anon's version is better.
Gee, I posted the pub version of this
a couple of weeks ago and nobody saw the humor.
Reader's Digest version....
Nancy Pelosi is Catholic, Joe Biden is Catholic. Nancy Pelosi made some comment about the Catholic Church being vague on the issue of abortion (those are not her exact words, the jist of it). Anyway, immediately one of the Catholic Church hierarchy said there was nothing vague about the stand of the Catholic Church (and printed what the stand is) and said if a Catholic supported abortion they should not take Communion. It was mentioned again in Denver when someone asked the Archbishop of Denver about it, as Joe Biden does profess to be Catholic, and the Archbishop said that the Catholic Church believes abortion to be wrong and he would speak to Mr. Biden personally. Bottom line, the Catholic Church defines life begins at conception, they are against abortion, and these Catholic higher-ups are saying that if you publically support abortion you should not take Communion. If you Google Pelosi abortion catholic church you can find a lot of it.
I am not Catholic, by the way. Just answering the question. So I can't get into a shouting match with people about what the Catholic church believes or what they should or should not do. I do agree with them, however, that life begins at conception.
And with that, I will finish.
So I guess what the article meant was that the last thing the Obama campaign wants to have to answer is abortion questions when his veep is catholic and the speaker of the house is catholic and they are being spanked by the church over abortion stance? That would be my take on it. I guess now we will see if Biden will throw his catholicism under the bus too?
Here's a funny (and quieter) version:
 Maybe the commercials should all be done by mimes, as well. Then you wouldn't have to hit "MUTE" on your remote every time one of them came on TV. And it might even be interesting!
Reader's Digest version....
where do you think the dirt on Joe came from? a background check instigated by the governor of Ohio. Which tramples all over Joe's civil rights.
Now let's make that pertinent to you. If YOU went to a John McCain rally and placed yourself at a rope line for the sole purpose of asking a "hard" question...and you did ask the hard question...which he answered...and then his answer was not becoming so to do damage control the governor of the state launched a background check of you and made all the information from that public...would YOU not be angry and sue? I darned sure would. As big as liberals are on civil rights, and the ACLU is not in sight, and you certainly aren't defending Joe's civil rights either are you?
I guess that only matters to you when a liberal's civil rights are violated?
sorry came out off center. Fixed version.
I decided to post this at the top since things get lost in the shuffle so quickly here.
Right now there are single, low income mothers (and fathers I would assume) who by the time they get the earned income credit and claim head of household do not owe taxes and actually get back more than they paid in to begin with. So why haven't you been carrying on about that all along? (And when people without children are contributing to this with their tax money, why isn't that considered socialism?)
I don't get all the chaos over this issue.
Your version of the truth is skewed.
The Lebanese militia executed the people in the camps, though Israel took the blame for it. Why don't you go whine about the Lebanese, instead of transposing all your vitriol on Israel? Like most of the world, you seem to have given the Lebanese Phalangists a free pass. If you were so 'outraged' about S&S, why don't you actually hold the people who did the killing accountable?
Or are you unsure of the difference between Israel and Lebanon?
And isn't it odd that hardly anyone in the Arab world gave a rip about Sabra and Shatila? While in Israel there were protests and the Israeli government itself conducted an inquiry. (Which proved that, at most, we were only guilty of not forseeing the potential for the LEBANESE MILITARY to do what they did.)
And 3000 is ridiculous. The Lebanese reports were 450 or something, and the Israeli inquest reported 800 (of which I think 35 were non-soldiers). But it sounds better for your propaganda to make it THOUSANDS, so knock yourself out.
And let's not forget that the S&S massacre, by the Lebanese militia, was in retaliation for the murder of the president of Lebanon. Once again, the Pakistani brought wrath down on themselves and then claimed to be the victims.
And I noticed you didn't mention the ྑ attacks on Palestinian refugee camps.
Why? Oh, I know.
Because those were carried out by Muslims, and that just doesn't suit your cause, does it? So the PLO (Palestinias!) can massacre 2000 people and you're fine with that.
But Israel defends itself by returning fire on the Palestinian enemy and you condemn them.
Curious, don't you think?
nope not referring...but Bob's version is better.........NM
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I was thinking too, that the right wing version of Christianity...sm
does not necessary practice much *tolerance* much less acceptance or embracing of other religions and/or cultures itself. They should expect to get as good as they give.
Revelations, King James Version
Loved the "TV guide" version
Thanks for the countdown to Hillary's speech. Put some comedy into this which is what is needed. I also loved the other post that said a whole Xanax affords you a 2-hour nap. I'm gonna have to get me some of that.
I have learned a few things during this "race". Hillary is driven by power and greed and she won't stop at anything. I've never liked her. Well actually I used to like her when she and Bill were campaigning before he was elected the first time, and I liked her for about a month after she became first lady. Then her true self started to come out and DH and I would be mystified saying, wait a minute...this is not the same lady. I also heard that whenever they hosted dinners at the white house they would tell everyone to be there at a certain time and then they would purposely wait one hour and have everyone gather at the bottom of the steps so they could make their grand entrance for everyone to watch. They seemed to forget they were living in America and the were the president and first lady, not living in England being the King and Queen. So looks like her attitude hasn't changed much. Hillary has always been after uniting the world into a one-world government (or at least Mexico, US & Canada being one country) with her being the leader. Nothing less. I never expected her to end her campaign. After all you never know when such tragedy will hit and she needs to be standing there ready to sleeze in. In the beginning I listened to her because I wanted to know what her plans were if she were to be elected, and it seemed to be more of the same socialist programs she has been trying to pass since being first lady. So I have learned the best way to avoid the stress of listening to her drone on is to hit the mute button as soon as her face "graces" my TV. Now I'm pretty good and can usually hit the channel changer first before a sound from her is even uttered.
Anyway...loved your post. and yes, grilled peach salad doesn't sound too good.
I prefer the Dorothy Parker version
(Look it up, they prolly would not let me use the words here....)
When you have a bipartisan version of the bill to view...please enlighten us. nm
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Site with the latest version of the stimulus bill. sm
Here is the link to the bill:
http://appropriations.house.gov/
Apparently, they are not going to have enough time to read it before the final vote. It is 1,071 pages long and Ms. Pelosi is going on vacation somewhere for eight days.
http://cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=43478
Well said! Short and to the point! LOL
It's the best I could do on short notice. sm
Suffice it to say, I am not comfortable with portraying the US as the Great Satan and whatever role we have or have not played, everyone turns to us in time of need, now don't they. And I mean EVERYONE, every single country. So how bad are we really? Just as I do not believe the Islamofascists are jealous of us for what we have, and they aren't, I do not believe that portraying the US as the Great Satan is going to win us any brownie points with terrorists who already hate us. So if you and Chomsky are comfortable with putting every man, woman and child in this country at risk to satisfy whatever beef you have against freedom and democracy, fine. Your freedom of speech had a most terrible and high price tag. Something tells me that many of these fine men and women, if they could speak now, would not thank you for your thoughts.
Short answer would be
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/04/20040420-2.html
In 2004: **Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps. Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution.**
short reply
So the success in Iraq apparently means nothing. Wow.
Actually is first name is D!ck (yes I know - short for Richard)
But, I've never heard him to be called Richard. But D!ck is a bad word and it wouldn't let me say it in the message. HA HA HA - I think thats too funny.
Did you see the short interview she did with ...sm
reporters where she was asked to comment on her censure by the Alaska legislature? She totally ignores the fact that she was censored for unethical behavior in the interference she allowed to occur trying to get the trooper fired. She just said she was grateful to the Alaska legislature for absolving her of unethical or criminal behavior in the firing of Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan, no mention of what she was actually censored for. Unbelievable!
"Sarah Palin unlawfully abused her power as governor by trying to have her former brother-in-law fired as a state trooper, the chief investigator of an Alaska legislative panel concluded Friday".
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jOTk11gvqDAgD0cY3i4WjI_2YOxwD93O25DG0
And, it is a very short drive!
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Short quiz...(sm)
Who was the president on 09/11/2001? People seem to forget that for some reason.
I have a lot to do, therefore my postings are short....
and I am young, not senile.
In four short months
(1/3 of a year, 1/12 of his term) O has put this country further in debt than any previous president. With the complicity of congress he is printing money like a drunken counterfeiter. He has stood the US on its head and emptied its pockets. He is actually running some of its businesses as well. He has his eye on controlling healthcare. He is trying hard to disarm and silence dissenters, subtly at first, but this will become more heavy-handed as time passes.
Do the math. Must we really wait a full year (let along his full term) to figure how much deeper this hole is going to get? The laws of economics have not been suspended just because of his miraculous election. Government is not the answer, it is the problem.
Let's try this experiment: I'll keep doing what I've been doing (laying in food supplies, planting a garden, stacking firewood, saving money, storing other necessities, preparing to care for and defend my own family) and the rest of you keep doing what you've been doing (waiting for Obama's ''plan'' to work or for him to take care of you). We'll check back in a year and see who's preparations worked better. Okay?
Short attention span?
Yes, it would be simpler as it would be a very very short list!
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Short memory span?
Is there a reason why you repeat yourself over and over and over and over and over and over again? Rehashing the same ridiculous complaints over and over and over and over and over and over again?
Why don't you post the butt in a chair thing a few more times? You guys have called us more or less drugged out hippies with references to what we must be smoking, what we must have been doing in the 60s and our hookahs. You ain't exactly perfect. Now if I post this paragraph about ten more times you might get the idea, right?
You said a mouthful in a few short words.
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A day late and a dollar short......
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well....I stop short of calling him the....
antichrist. But the fact that seemingly intelligent people lose all sense of reason when he opens his mouth does give one pause. That's for sure.
This has George Soros written ALL over it.
Short clip (less than 3 min.) Please watch this.
http://www.youtube.=om/watch?v=rUEQz5dltmI
I think he's a few chocolate chips short of
;D
I just voted too...very short line :-) nm
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Pertaining to the short 03/10/09 duel
between A.Nonymous and North to Home.
A.Nonymous made general comments about three groups of people who will still feel entitled to be on the public dole under O’s regime and also said that anybody wanting to get ahead in this country needs to be able to speak standard English and not Ebonics, Spanish, ... etc.
North to Home felt personally attacked, resorted to personal name-calling and hurled accusations such as: Inflammatory, blatantly racist, underlying hatred, prejudice and hatred of all people different from you, cowardly, insulting, nasty, racist bigoted rants, sickening, [more bigotry, more hatred, more prejudice, blah, blah, blah.]
I’ve been waiting for others to weigh in on this but nobody wants to touch it. It’s a tough job but somebody’s gotta do it. So I will.
North to Home: The only one making personal attacks is you. Toughen up, baby. To participate on this board you have to develop rhino hide. [No that is not a slur against anybody with African roots. Don’t start up with me about it.] This is a place for reasoned political opinion and discussion, not angry overreaction. Chill. Don’t post when you are so obviously angry. Anyone who resorts to name-calling in a political argument needs to work on objectivity. We argue, we don’t attack.
A.Nonymous: You used the term ‘bitter 200-year descendents of ex-slaves’ and the word Ebonics, both of which got North to Home’s knickers in a twist. [Not exactly a diplomatic choice of words and by my math only about 144 years since the end of the Civil War.] But the pertinent word was ‘bitter’. I agree that those still bitter about slavery after 100+ years and about segregation after 40+ years need to examine their own prejudices, then get on with improving their own lives and their children’s lives. None of us on this board has ever bought or sold another human being and I am not accepting collective guilt because a centuries-ago ancestor may have.
North to Home: You are apparently still angry about your father's treatment while serving in the segregated US military during the Korean War 50 years ago. Yet he was able to bring you up right, educate you and teach you the value of hard work. Weren't his experiences what made it possible for him to do that?
Short blog from watershed wordpress...sm
Mon 21 Mar 2005
a culture of life?
I don’t know what it is about this Schiavo case that is driving me nuts and pissing me off to no end. It just seems like the epitome of contradictions, hypocrisy and doublespeak. Even beyond the implications for the “sanctity of marriage” and the over 17,000 Iraqis, and over 1500 US soldiers killed in the Iraq War as I ranted about in this post.
There’s a great article in the Washington Post about Bush’s record on life and death here.
Bush on Schiavo: “…we must err on the side of life…”
Bush on Karla Faye Tucker: “Please,” Bush whimpers, his lips pursed in mock desperation, “don’t kill me.”
Let us not forgot Bush oversaw 152 executions while the governor of Texas.
And let’s not forgot about the baby who was taken off of life support against his parent’s wishes, in Texas as a result of a Texas law (passed by none other than our president) that states the hospital can make decisions about the termination of life over the family. (as I post this, Keith Olberman has started talking about the same thing!). You can read about this here (link not in repost).
Wait, I am comparing someone like Terri Schiavo, to a convicted killer like Karla Faye Tucker, to thousands of Iraqis, to US soldiers, and to a little baby? You bet I freakin’ am. Isn’t that what a “culture of life” would be all about?
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Nope MT, he has done some things wrong :(
Short clip on world government. sm
People have been warning us including Presidents it is coming, and getting called kooks and conspiracy theorists. Little by little, it is all starting to show up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JATcBFbvcI
Obama bailout up to just short of a trillion....
and he has been in office HOW long? lol. Doesn't count the billions we already spent. This is new spending. Talk about spending like a drunken sailor....lol. Hello democratic majority. LOL.
Hey, don't lose heart....look what he has done in 3 short weeks with...
the power you folks gave him. He has a LONG time left to do his O magic. When we are all lining up for the checks (well, that is if you lose your job and don't have to pay taxes as those are the folks who are going to get the biggest handout), just remember who put the great benefactor in Washington there and gave him carte blanche. Uh...that would be you. :)
Short article on some real legends and also a reply to ....
that endless droning on about supporting the troops.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines07/0129-01.htm
http://killfile.newsvine.com/_news/2007/01/29/542577-the-hell-i-cant-supporting-the-troops-not-the-war
your view is naive, short-sighted and simplistic
I don't want to get caught up in a debate here. Americans can buy whatever they want. You are right. But then when your job is gone, don't complain about it because you fed the problem instead of solving it. If you don't support American companies, you are supporting some other economy instead of your own. How can the American economy ever survive if Americans do not support it? There is a bigger picture here, and I believe you are missing it. The failure of the automakers would affect every other business and service in this country, including ours, by a ripple effect. So when you lose your job because the number of hospital and physician visits is reduced since none of them has insurance anymore and no one can afford medical care anymore, remember what you said here. If they fail, we all will lose from it.
Nope - just deploring the short-term thinking of
Usually, this means that whoever replaces the Dear (Departed) Leader will be just as bad or worse.
Oh, I know what the Brotherhood of Amalgamated Assassins Union will say - that sometimes whoever follows can't possibly be as bad. To this, I would reply "Never underestimate the capacity of any politician to be far worse than you ever imagined he could be."
...and forget the line of succession. Consider the possibility that the Widow Obama could then run in 2012, snaffling the sympathy vote! GAK!!
Quality is Job One.
Granny Accused of Looting Freed...see short article.sm
KENNER, La. — A 73-year-old diabetic grandmother and church elder who fled Katrina's floodwaters for the safety of a hotel ended up in prison instead for more than two weeks — all over a bite of food.
Police in this New Orleans suburb arrested Merlene Maten (search) the day after the hurricane on charges she took $63.50 in goods from a looted deli. Though never before in trouble with the law, her bail was set at a stiff $50,000 and she was shipped away to a state penitentiary.
Family and eyewitnesses insist Maten's prison odyssey was unwarranted, claiming she only had gone to her car to get some sausage to eat when officers cuffed her in frustration, unable to catch younger looters at a nearby store.
Despite intervention from the nation's largest senior lobby, volunteer lawyers from the Federal Emergency Management Agency (search) and even a private attorney, the family fought a futile battle for 16 days to get her freed.
Then, hours after her plight was featured in an Associated Press story, a local judge on Thursday ordered Maten freed on her own recognizance, setting up a sweet reunion with her daughter, grandchildren and 80-year-old husband.
Short attention span explains alliance with Bush.
Now it's all starting to make sense. See article. Don't bother to read article. Form knee-jerk negative opinion based on prejudice against liberals rather than facts. Refuse to read/accepts facts (too time consuming). Ignore all gray areas in life; deal in only black and white. Vote for Bush. When things get worse, vote for him again because neocons are never wrong.
She was vetted several months ago, back when she made his short list.
He has shown a short-form fraud piece of garbage. I
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