My friend...CONGRESS started a war but did not declare war...
Posted By: Observer on 2007-10-15
In Reply to: Well, actually, the constitution says war - must be declared.....sm
NOT Bush alone. It was called the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002. It passed Congress, both houses, Democrats voted for it too. Let's spread the blame equally.
We will never agree on pulling the troops out, all of them, immediately. Because no matter how we got there, we are there...and if we turn tail and run, it will be the biggest terrorist moral booster/motivator/recruiting tool you can possibly imagine, the results of which I do not think ANY of us want to see. The surge is working....American deaths are down, civilian deaths are down, and the number of suicide bombers per month has been cut in half. We are finally making good progress. Hopefully we WILL be able to get out very soon, and start bringing our troops home. I know you don't agree...and I am not starting a fight, just stating a differing opinion.
I actually like a lot of what Ron Paul has to say...and actually disagree with very little. But the things I disagree with him on are pretty strong. I have not yet decided for whom I will vote...I will wait and see who gets the nominations and go from there...although a Democrat is out for me anyway because of their abortion stands and their need to tax us into oblivion.
Have a good day!
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I don't think Bush is going to declare martial law....
even he is not enough of a cowboy to do that. Besides, his mom and dad would kick his butt if he tried...lol.
I believe McCain will remain in the race...and I am VERY interested in seeing who his running mate will be. Maybe that is the plan...he gets the "right kind" of running mate, and then just a little ways into the term he retires due to health issues and the VP becomes the Pres. You never can tell what politicians are thinking. However...more and more every day I am more and more convinced that Obama is not the right man for the presidency, especially at this time. I don't think he has enough experience, especially in foreign policy, and his little trip to Iraq has only made that feeling stronger. I wish I thought he was sincerely in the hope and change thing, but I don't believe he is. I believe he hopes there would be change, but I don't think he is talking about the American people. All that aside...at a gut level I don't trust him. And yes, I share a concern about the people who run him as well. I know who his advisors are, and...whoosh. I thought we got rid of them with the Clinton admin. The thought of a mixture of Clinton and Obama...that will make ya shudder.
Actually, I disagree a little with you, I do believe McCain cares about the American people. He also sticks to his principles and that has made him run afoul of the Repub Party from time to time. But I have to admire that...means he is not, as we used to say on the farm, "anybody's dog who will hunt with him."
Have a wonderful day, JustMe.
Declare war on the media. Brilliant campaign strategy.
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So, pub camp does not declare war on the media, put Palin on a leash,
strays off topic or reveals her ignorance?
7 days out. What part of Marxist slurs are a waste of valuable air time do you not get...especially for the candidates who do not choose to be sucked into cultural warfare? They are perfectly free to pick and choose where, when and to whom they do or do not speak to.
And I'm worried about Obama finding a reason to declare...sm
martial law once he's in office, and creating his own dictatorship. Works both ways.
I still say Bush will be glad to be well out of it come January 20, 2009.
But watch....Bush will get blamed for everything that goes wrong for the next four years anyway
New Mexico, Arizona Declare Border Emergencies to Fight Crime
What a shame that these two governors had to declare states of emergency simply because we have at president who knows that this problem exists but just doesn’t care enough about preventing another 9/11 to do anything about it.
From: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000086&sid=akXph_LySDzs&refer=latin_america#
New Mexico, Arizona Declare Border Emergencies to Fight Crime
Aug. 17 (Bloomberg) -- New Mexico and Arizona governors declared states of emergency for their borders with Mexico, pledging to increase funding to stop the rise in drug smuggling and violence by illegal immigrants.
New Mexico's Bill Richardson and Arizona's Janet Napolitano blamed a lack of money from the federal government that has left the borders and their residents unprotected by U.S. patrols.
``Governor Richardson was asked to take this action by local law enforcement and ranch families.'' Billy Sparks, Richardson's chief of staff, said in a phone interview today.
The declarations were made Friday by Richardson, 47, and yesterday by Napolitano, 47. Richardson, who has been named a possible 2008 presidential candidate, said in a press release there has been ``total inaction and lack of resources from the federal government.''
The escalation in violence during the past month, including gunshots fired at Columbus, New Mexico, police chief Clare May, the attempted kidnapping of three girls and the deaths of 100 cattle along New Mexico's 180-mile border with Mexico prompted Richardson to declare the emergency, Sparks said.
The declaration makes $750,000 of state funding available in affected counties. Richardson pledged to make an additional $1 million available. The money will be used to increase local law enforcement, open a new homeland security office in the border region and help build a fence to protect livestock near Columbus.
Fences, Neighbors
Unlike some border areas in the U.S., landowners in New Mexico maintain their own fences to keep illegal immigrants off their property. In one case a landowner's entire fence was stolen, Sparks said. The U.S. Border Patrol has 109 workers for 200 miles from El Paso, Texas, across New Mexico to Arizona, said Sparks. That is expected to increase by 75 in October.
Napolitano's order makes $1.5 million available to fight crime along the border, according to her press release.
``I intend to take every action feasible to stem the tide of criminal behavior on the Arizona side of the border,'' she said.
The number of unauthorized immigrants entering the U.S. each year rose to more than 700,000 in 2004 from 140,000 in the 1980s, according to the Arizona declaration.
Questions about the security of the U.S. border with Mexico have risen since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks as officials have tried to limit movement into the U.S. of potential terrorists along with the illegal immigrants and drug smugglers. Immigration restrictions have forced more illegal crossings over landowner- built fences in Arizona and New Mexico.
The border emergency declarations were reported earlier today by the New York Times.
Numbers Jump
So far in the fiscal year that began in October, agents in the Yuma, Arizona, sector of the U.S. border patrol have captured 122,344 illegal immigrants, said Michael Gramley, spokesman for the sector. The previous record was 108,000 in 2000. The Yuma sector covers 126 miles of border in Arizona and California.
``We're taking greater strides toward reaching a higher level of border security,'' said Gramley, in a phone interview. ``The border patrol values any assistance that we receive from state, local and tribal law enforcement agencies.''
Federal officials said they have been making progress in increasing border security.
``Extraordinary progress has been made over the last couple of years as far as strengthening our borders,'' said Jarrod Agen, spokesman for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. He declined to comment on the state of emergency in Arizona and New Mexico. ``It's the authority of the governors there.''
Both governors called on authorities in Mexico to increase security on their sides of the border, the press releases said.
Mexico's Response
Mexico's Ministry of Foreign Affairs said in a statement yesterday that it had agreed after meeting with Napolitano to support her actions and work to reduce crime on its side of the border. The ministry blamed organized crime for the border problems.
``On that side and on this side there's organized crime,'' Mexican President Vicente Fox said in an interview with reporters during a visit to the northern border state of Sonora yesterday. ``On that side and this side there's drug consumption. The question is how do all the drugs that cross over there reach the consumer markets? What's being done on that side?''
Texas Governor Rick Perry, 55 doesn't plan to declare an emergency because he believes protecting the U.S. border is the federal government's responsibility, said Robert Black, Perry's spokesman, in a phone interview. Texas's 1,200-mile border with Mexico is the longest of any U.S. state with a foreign country.
``The governor had said that you can't have homeland security without the federal government,'' said Black. ``The feds can't avoid their responsibility to the states.'' To contact the reporter on this story:
Darrell Preston in Dallas at dpreston@bloomberg.net.
Last Updated: August 17, 2005 14:52 EDT
Two Border State Governors Declare Illegal Immigration State of Emergency
Two Border State Governors Declare Illegal Immigration State of Emergency
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Same to you, my friend!!
Knowing this is late, I hope you had the best day ever! 
OK. You are right. I am not. My friend
is not. Don't know why she would bring that up as we drove by gas stations in St. Pete, but obviously she was having a senior moment, was in an altered mental state or just flat-out lying...that is what it probably was, flat-out lying. I know it is important for the right to be right so I acquiesce. You are right and I am not.
MY FRIEND
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Your friend must have been
hot.........
Your friend must have been
hot.........
You my friend
scare me and millions of others with your so-called tolerance of death and disease for our children and youth. We should be hating it. AIDS and mental disease is not pretty.
Saddam US friend
Six months after the gassing of Kurds in 1988, the White House lent Saddam a billion dollars. In 1991, at the end of the Gulf War, US troops stood idly by while Saddam's presidential guards ruthlessly suppressed the uprising by the Kurds that Poppy Bush encouraged and had called for. In 1980, Saddam was made an honorary citizen of Detroit, Michigan. He was our friend back then, even though we knew his blood thirsty ways. We even supplied him with WMD, which we then destroyed with fly over bombing through the 1990's with sanctions placed on the country to weaken it even more. We also were friends with Osama in the 1970's when we had him and Afghan freedom fighters fight against Russia as we did not want Russia to have control of Afghanistan. In essence, Osama was trained by our CIA for war.
friend in Vietnam
I had two friend who went to Vietnam, one returned..and yes, he too was traumatized emotionally. He returned to his parents house and I used to stay over all the time as it was a *hang out house*..had a pool, large yard, you name it..we all hung out there (smile)..anyway, John was in Vietnam in 1969..he used to sent tapes home to his parents and we would all listen..when he returned to his parents house, forget it..you could not wake him in the morning, you would make a noise or call his name and he would jump up ready to fight you..He lived like this for a few years then he married..Since then I lost contact but I can tell ya, this guy had major issues trying to reconnect with **civilization**..I ache for the soldiers who are now fighting..the dead, the maimed and the emotionally and spiritually destroyed forever..FOR WHAT??????
I had a friend on Right Nation who went down there. SM
He lives about an hour away. He did not gestimate anywhere even close to that.
I'm a friend of Bill!
from the uber-liberal state of Massachusetts. I was just responding to previous post of why Observer posts on this forum.
You keep calling me your friend...
...why is that? I hope you don't generally treat your friends this way.
As far as me singling people out to torment -- it would only be you and it would be singular. Plus, I didn't "single" you out, just saw your posts on a PUBLIC forum and as I said, they looked kind of mean and cruddy. However, I would say you are the PLURAL stalker. Come one, come all you will take them on and condemn and mock all that folks say on the liberal board!! And then accuse them of all being the same person. Lots of paranoia goin' on in that ole brain of yours, doesn't sound very healthy at all!!! No, sir!!!
Yes, and Obama has at least 1 friend
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Well, Obama does have a friend who could help him
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That's her imaginary friend (nm)
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All you can do, my friend, is vote.
Everybody gets one vote (hopefully only one) to make her voice heard. One side has to lose. Be prepared either way. 
I have a friend of mine who has a
few nieces who are biracial and they are absolutely beautiful kids. I think some of the cutest kids are "oreos."
Obama's friend
http://noblesseoblige.org/wordpress/2008/10/05/bill-ayers-weather-underground-not-just-anti-war/
close friend
My best friend had an abortion when she was a senior in high school. She was afraid to tell her parents. I took her and her boyfriend paid for the procedure. He did not go with her. Fast-forward 24 years. She has 3 children and has been married for 20 years. Does she regret her decision? Some days she does. Would she do it again? She says she would. She has talked about it with her teenage son and hopes that her children will never have to make the choice. She is a conservative Christian now (Assembly of God) and she still fights for abortion rights.
Gourdpainter, can I be your best friend?
Just kidding... But I like the way you post. I've found you far more interesting than any others on this board that use monikers. I don't use a moniker because I don't feel the need to, but I also agree to please let this man have some dignity while he mourns his grandmother.
No President will be able to make any changes overnight. The President is only as smart as the people around him.
Obama has stated again and again that it will not be easy but that we all must come together. I have not heard that once from the RNC, but only comments to bash a man because he may have a few beliefs that are different. He has a beautiful family (without all of the skeletons) and he does not plan for Americans to lose jobs but rather to make more jobs here and give tax credits to companies who hire people right here in the USA. He does have 2 daughters that will need an education and to prosper on American soil; does anyone not see that or is it just me?
I have a friend in the same situation...sm
His father worked for GM and died several years ago, leaving my friend a nice trust fund and health care benefits and pension for his widow who currently is in a long-term care facility. My friend, who is an MT and cannot afford insurance and is in bad health himself, told me that when his mom loses her benefits at the first of the year, he doesn't know what they will do.
I don't know if blame the government for this mess as much as I blame mismanagement by the automakers with their big executive salaries and perks and insistence on manufacturing super trucks and huge SUVs. It seems to me that more could have been done to stem this before it got this far.
Your friend probably just guessed
I doubt she would have any credible knowlege. Obama came out of nowhere. The first time I and most other people ever heard of him was when he ran for Senator. I recall the media referring to him as an "up and coming" politician.
The financial collapse just sure came at an opportune time too didn't it? I shudder to think what's ahead. As I've said before, I'll put my faith in God and His will WILL be done in the end.
I have a friend who is there too!! I have to check on her now. nm
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The terrorist's best friend.
Is the Taliban on your Christmas card list as well?
You seem to have swallowed the leftist lies hook, line, and sinker.
Let's not forget to honor those hard-working, industrious Nazis while we're at it.
And the Sudanese guerrilas.
And the lonely, struggling serial killers and child molesters and suicide bombers.
Nevermind....my friend says
that won't work because marijuana is too easy to grow so government can't regulate it and tax it. My bad.....didn't know that.
I'm with ya, friend, thanks for posting, actually, ....sm
my post had nothing at all to do with "being poor" or "having it bad," etc., because even though we can't vacation and restaurant every time we want, WE PUT OURSELVES on a budget so we would not have to live on credit and loans, which by the way helped to contribute to the downfall of this country.
Oh, God forbid any put off spending if they do not have it, WE WANT IT NOW has been the battle cry for a long time, like spoiled stupid children, (except children HAVE an excuse), so people took out credit cards they could not pay off, mortgages for a house they knew they could barely afford, etc. Now we are all paying the price as people default, banks default because of it, and so on.
No, I feel I am lucky indeed, even though a big chunk of our money goes not to "serious debt" but to meds for: asthma, diabetes, migraine, systemic lupus, Sjogren's disease, and rheumatoid arthritis, even with insurance that is EXPENSIVE. But, I still love my life, I have a mom I adore, kids I adore, a husband who has stood together with me for almost 29 years now and we really love/like each other, we have a modest home, great neighbors and friends....and if we wait because we are paying on tuition bills, or too many meds in one week, whatever........
This is not about ME, or about Ms. perfect out there, it is about a single post with a PROPOSAL, AN IDEA, which just might be AN ANSWER among many that will get more people off welfare, more peole paying into the tax system, less people needing assistance (WHICH COSTS US BIG MONEY, and there have been many railing against on this board, as I have also), my God, what ever happened to sticking to the issues, disagree away, why be a snotty child and as usual, revert to personal "digs?"
A friend was doing very poorly
for YEARS, losing weight, constant debilitating pain, weakness, n stamina, low energy. She knew, as most of her friends knew, that it was probably rheumatoid arthritis (family history). It was painful for us to watch her get out of her car and try to walk. She became skeletal, and had to go without treatment for a couple of years, avoiding an official diagnosis, until she finished school, internship and certification to become an LISW so she could get a job with insurance which would then cover her. Had she gotten the 'official diagnosis' prior to that, she may not have been covered. Now, with treatment, she is doing much better.
But that was my point about genetic testing. You can insure your 2-bedroom shack for less money than Bill Gates's mansion. You can insure your Nova for less than his Rolls. But unless you do genetic testing or exclude pre-existing conditions, we are all in the same boat on health insurance coverage. His bypass surgery (not that he can't afford to just write a check for it) will cost just about what yours will.
WEll then, be proud of your friend's son! nm
Amen to that! And God Bless your friend. NM
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Mentally ill....? That is quite a bash, friend...
I was trying to be civil but the gloves are off now. You are so far embroiled into the liberal lockstep you don't even know what civil is, and you have demonstrated your own immaturity by this attack.
*I think you and your friends are playground bullies with maturity of a 5-year-old...*
This from someone who supports a so-called adult who let his johnson run his life...and then commit perjury and obstruction of justice to cover it up. Yep, there is a MATURE role model for you and you are following him like the sheeple. Instead of talking about it intelligently (that presupposes you are capable), you whine, snipe, and run.
You are welcome to any opinion you have about the *far right* Republican party, conservatives, et al. I have an opinion about the *far left* (although I believe that the whole party is so far left there is no more *moderate* left, they have been so effectively silenced). I believe that the Democratic party will finish destroying this country if they stay in power. Bill got a good start, and you, like the good sheeple are, follow blindly. The upper crust of your liberal party could not care LESS about you, walked to power on your shoulders, and intend to keep you oppressed and under their thumb to stay in power. The truth is, the far right Republican party cares more about you than they ever will. Not bashing, an opinion!
*You guys don't play fair.* Boy, THAT is rich! Someone disagrees with you or takes a shot at that tin god Clinton you bow to, and you don't want to have an intelligent debate, you just want the naysayers to go away. It is that kind of blinder vision that lets people like Adolf Hitler take hold and suddenly it is all right to kill six million people. You spewed enough venom here to pretty much prove that point. But the bigger point is this one, and if you have one brain cell left that is not liberally indoctrinated, LISTEN. The far right Republican party, and conservatives, are AMERICANS too! For the love of mike, get a grip and take off that liberal hat for 10 seconds and realize, conservatives are people just like you, have families just like you, pay taxes just like you, and whether you LIKE IT OR NOT, have rights just like you. I cannot believe the tone you are taking. Read your own post! Sheesh. You are acting like these people (myself included) are your mortal enemies. What in the world is the MATTER with you??? This is a posting board, not a battlefield. Good grief!!
Hey....Ahem....and friend Lurker...
another cut and paste for you. Please pay special attention to the portion regarding Mr. Clinton and how he made the focus of his presidency regime change...so much so he signed it into LAW. So it wasn't just the big bad Bushes....your fav prez Mr. Clinton signed into LAW in 1998, American policy for regime change in Iraq...OH SAY IT AIN'T SO....but you didn't read THAT in the CNN article did you??? Typical, typical...typicallll.
The Act found that Iraq had, between 1980 and 1998 (1) committed various and significant violations of International Law, (2) had failed to comply with the obligations to which it had agreed to following the Gulf War and (3) further had ignored Resolutions of the United Nations Security Council. The Act declared that it was the Policy of the United States to support regime change. The Act was passed in the House [2] and Senate [3] and signed into law by the US President Bill Clinton on October 31, 1998. Its stated purpose was: to establish a program to support a transition to democracy in Iraq. Specifically, Congress made findings of past Iraqi military actions in violation of International Law and that Iraq had denied entry of United Nations Special Commission on Iraq (UNSCOM) inspectors into its country to inspect for weapons of mass destruction. Congress found: It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime. On December 16, 1998, President Bill Clinton mandated Operation Desert Fox, a major four-day bombing campaign on Iraqi targets.
Can we let this regime change stuff drop now??
You seem very derogatory about faith, my friend...
yet I think it takes much more "faith" in a ridiculous theory that a one-cell amoeba crawled out of a mucky ocean somewhere and through "evolution" became man. You can't "prove" that, scientists can't "prove" that, but you believe it...because somebody said and it wrote it down...sound like the Bible? lol. That too is "faith."
And I do not understand why you have to protest against something so strongly that you feel does not exist. Why would you bother? Why does someone having a life-changing experience bother you so much? You might want to examine where that comes from. Perhaps you are not as seated in your nonbelief as the poster is in her belief?
Just asking.
Rev. Wright has been Obama's friend!
and close, like an "uncle" as state by Obama. They had been friends and Obama stated he looked to Rev. Wright as his spiritual advisor. I don't remember if those were the EXACT words, but pretty darn close. How could he have remained so close to him for many years and not know all the racist and hateful feelings Rev. Wright had toward America? How could you look to someone like that as your spiritual advisor..... and how could you NOT know that your advisor was basically racist and a divisive character, not a uniter, which makes me wonder how Obama really feels too. If you are going to look to someone for guidance, admire them, wouldn't you tend to AGREE with their vision of things?!
I agree with part of what your friend says....sm
"the policy of letting big financial institutions play fast and loose with people's money by bundling a whole lot of complicated things together (including worthless mortgages) and selling them to others."
She's rather naive to believe her liberal professors, though, that blame it squarely on the republicans.
Liberal democrats in Congress and those rich liberals running all those big financial institutions, are 90% to blame. Period.
She needs to stay in school a while.
A friend sent me this link...very interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU6fuFrdCJY&feature=bz302
Please check out this video.
comment from your like-minded friend
You know there are some who believe that this is not like the Great Depression, not like the civil war (with the hyperinflation) but actually more like the revolutionary war because of the violations of our constitution. I think it will be very interesting to see how many people will want to preserve it, sacrifice to preserve it, once they realize how threatened it is.
The Obots need to read up on his friend...
Rashid Khalidi, another stellar associate who he will probably claim not to know.
Your friend did the wrong thing.
She should have taken responsibiilty for her actions.
Perhaps if she had had a bit of self control and not rooted around with the guy without being married, she wouldn't have put herself in that position.
Your friend's story is disgusting and totally cliche. She found a nice family to adopt the baby she didn't want to be bothered with, but let the 'dirtbag' who banged her (my, she must have great taste in men) talk her into murder.
With friends like that, who needs terrorists?
Women need to close their legs and stop playing the victim.
Which part is your friend working in?
I've checked out the State Department's travel advisory and it is most geared towards the border towns, along Arizona, California etc. We are supposed to go to Cancun for Spring Break so this is kind of making me leary, although we'll be in a resort, you still have to be careful.
BB, you and your looney friend Olderbag can keep
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Double standards my friend...that is all
it is. They will crush Depass because he compared Michelle Obama to a gorilla which will have the race card flying high. Not only was Depass a conservative making a joke about a democrat but he was joking about a black democrat. In regards to the Letterman vs. Palin saga....Palin is a conservative white woman and therefore Letterman's comments about Palin being a slutty looking flight attendant didn't upset the masses because she is a conservative white woman. As for the joke about her daughter, regardless of which daughter he claims to have been joking about, it was in poor taste but Letterman will see no punishment for it because he is an outspoken liberal and he was bashing on a white conservative woman. Same reason why no woman's activists have EVER stood up for Palin even when that one guy hung an effigy of Palin for Halloween. If that same man had hung an effigy of Barrack Obama for Halloween......there would have been riots and the race card would have been thrown out. Double standards! Plain and simple.
This all started because you said
*founded on Christian principles*....now I see you've moderated it to *God* Yes, they were *Deists* not Christians as you said in your first post...big difference....not that you will even admit there is a difference.
First of all, GP started this particular
thread, so she is not responding to anybody's attacks in this case. Second, I think it is very mean to attack someone's religious beliefs. Third, GP indicated that George Bush said that God told him to be president. If I remember correctly, George Bush said that God told him to RUN for president. So he did. SP did not say that God doing the right thing would put McCain in the White House, nor did she imply it. She said that she has faith that God will do the right thing and that his will for the country will be done. Imagine, two Christian practicing their faith and treating God as if he actually exists.
Guess what? God told me to call my sister last weekend. Am I delusional too? Or is it only delusional to think God speaks and leads if you are national figure?
That is not how it started...
This has been going on for quite a while on the Politics forum. The rabid right-wing Christians have been forcing their beliefs on all of us for months and months and months. They have quoted scripture and told us that anyone who does not believe as they do is destined to burn in eternal fire. They have no respect for people of other religions. I was born into a Jewish family, and I have never felt animosity towards any Christian until recently. These posters have forever changed my opinion of Christianity and not for the better!
For nm-So have I. Plus 2 others started lately.
Does that give you a hint?
Don't get that started here......... sm
That is rude and totally uncalled for.
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