Most folks will say that.......... sm

• let it die - vinnie
  • Dangerous............ sm - m
  • I don't agree - gourdpainter
    • but GP - vinnie
      • The problem is s/m - gourdpainter
        • One way to make the topic go away - GhostMom
        • "Regular readers have read and hopefully examined all offered verification for themselves.." - m
          • Please be advised - gourdpainter
            • Whatever, GP, ...... sm - m
              • Again whatever - gourdpainter
                • But they are "credible" as you stated above. sm - m
                  • I'd love to continue to argue with you - gourdpainter
                    • Starting at the community level......... sm - m
  • I am questioning that 75% - dnh
    • Make that 6.8%. - nm
      • Certainly not a "landslide" - see message
        • Who do you think you are kidding? - This stupidity has been "out there"....sm
          • So, if he is outright lying about the BC, that is okay - ? What else could he be covering up?nm
            • The bottom line is that he's not lying about it. It's just - your desperate wishful thinking. nm
          • you do know the electoral vote has not occurred?? - dnh
            • Has anyone ever in history won by this - sm
              • You need to brush up on your civics/history.......... sm - m
                • You are the one woh needs a brush up. - sm
                  • Margin or no......... sm - m
                    • There is nothing up in the air - sm
      • still a far cry from 75%....nm - dnh
        • 75% accounts for the former McC supports - sm
    • There are also those more level-headed Obama opponents - who genuinely embraced....sm
      • The "level-headed" people here voted for McCain. - .nm
        • Many still not embracing Obama because he - seems to be hiding something.nm
      • Let's have some "credible" source...... sm - m
        • What are you trying to say here? - You seroiusly think that....sm
          • No............. sm - m
            • Not changing the subject. - Just asking the same of you. sm
            • Well, let's see s/m - gourdpainter
              • Most folks will say that.......... sm - m

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Don't know of anyone who thinks this country is the great Satan.  Not at all.  The folks I talk to feel this country has its foibles, failings and quirks just like most other nations.  We are not perfect and never will be.  But we shouldn't give up simply because we're not perfect.  Turning a blind eye to this country's problems will solve nothing, though, only perpetuate its problems and make us weaker in the end.

You may see some of us as spouting hatred for this country when in reality it is love, albeit sometimes a tough love.  If you care about your child you want them to improve and become the best they can.  Same with the U.S.

Otherwise, all these Satan =U.S. folks....can you provide compelling statistical evidence for this statement?

Here are your civil rights being stripped to the core.  Excuse me, but I believe that is what our police force is for.  Only this is disguised as taking care of the citizens at home.  We do not need a miliary brigade "specifically" detailed to take care of "our" citizens.  You need to read very carefully what is being said here, folks, and it AIN'T for your own good, even though there will be those who think this is wonderful news!!!

Please pay close attention to the "crowd and traffic control equipment" they will be using on you, which they are sooooo excited about!   These will be your relatives being deployed within our borders not to protect us against intruders but to do just what you see in other countries, when you see their military all over their streets,  monitoring their citizens' every move.... and, of course, there is the brainwashing where some of these military indivdiuals believe they are doing an "honorable" thing and "noble mission".....Mission?  You want a mission?..... find another job besides the one where you are "monitoring" and stripping your citizens of their civil rights. 

Consequence Management Response Force.....I believe is what they call it now.....  consequences of what?  Protests, which is our right, speaking up and out against our government, which is our civil rights......just watch what will be happening if you don't start screaming loudly and long. 

I always wonder what is going on behind the scenes with our government when something "big" starts going on that distracts our attention away from something else.  Well, like they didn't know the Wall Street crowd and all the financial institutions weren't corrupt and crooked as sin.....right!!!  Now seems like a good time to distract you and SUDDENLY it all comes out.   Better keep your eye on your government folks.    There's the real problem!!!!!

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/

Here's your global economy...........want to move to India?

http://money.cnn.com/2009/02/05/news/companies/ibm_jobs/index.htm

Yes, I voted against McCain/Palin which effectively means I voted for Obama.  Okay, I'm not sorry about that, still would not like to have seen McCain/Palin in the White House.  Don't think they'd be looking out for the interest of America either.

Am I happy with Obama?  No.  First he's run us into debt so that the only light at the end of the tunnel, as I see it, is a freight train, and a BIG one at that, coming.  The stimulus may  have stimulated the economy in the moment, Arkansas is planning a hiring spree with that extra "free" cash which obviously will create jobs but they say that when that free money is gone, the jobs will also be gone.  So we will be left no better off than we were before, just deeper in debt.  Oh yeah, as retirees, my husband and I got that $250 stimulus check.  News flash....we didn't run out and spend it nor did we use it to pay debts as we have none.  It's sitting right in the bank where it will remain as we are hoarding money for worse times to come.  Those I have talked to who are working and get the supposed reduction in taxes say it isn't enough that they've even noticed any extra money.

This morning I read that he is all primed and cocked to sign the long awaited smoking reform.  Do people not realize that this is just one more of our personal freedoms that is being taken away?  So some of you are glad but what about when the next freedom that affects YOU is taken away?  Maybe it's guns or whatever is dear to your heart.  The push is on to  legalize marijuana.  Sorry but my experience with marijuana is that it is not harmless.  But maybe it'll make all of us who smoke feel better about the direction our country is headed, something tobacco really doesn't provide.

What we need is NOT a Democrat and NOT a Republican.  What we need is someone in the White House (and other branches of the government) with some common sense and who are not puppets for special interests.  And I don't care how much Obama says "no more business as usual in Washington," from where I sit it most certainly is business as usual.  God save us all!!

Here in NW Arkansas I've had the inside scoop for some time on a situation that ought to scare the living dickens out of everyone who works for a living.

I have known for some time that Don Tyson was going to come out of retirement and take over the reins of Tyson Food again.  The news story broke yesterday.  By the way, Don Tyson is a rabid Republican.  None of the following is heresay, I know the guy.

Most of you probably find Tyson products in your local grocery.  If you eat at McDonalds you eat Tyson chicken tenders.

In the farming area where I live probably 75% of the people have either worked in some facet of the chicken industry or they have retired with a fortune they made in the chicken industry.  Most people contracted with Tyson to raise their chickens.  Low income workers worked in the hatcheries and chicken processing plants.  Not to mention the people who had good jobs in the corporate offices.  Within the last several years Tyson replaced their low income workers with illegal aliens.  They started building their own chicken farms and imported Mongs from (Minnesota or somewhere) to run them at much less cost than their contract growers but they are so big they didn't replace all of their growers.

What some of you call the "low lifes" worked  in this chicken business, a dirty, nasty job.  Some of them did  this because there is nothing else they can do.  They are uneducated, some are not too bright but they WORK.  I know one who can't even read and write.   Most of them now drive 25-30 miles to Fayetteville to work in fast food, as janitors or whatever low-paying job they can find and you see their old jalopies by the side of the road where they've either broken down or run out of gas.  These "low life people" don't want handouts, they want to work.  I feel sorry for them.

Now the news flash?  Tyson has  bought chicken processing plants in Argentina, Brazil  and China because "the cost of feed is making it cost prohibitive to do business here."  This is going to not only take jobs out of this country, it is going to leave many farmers who are still growing  chickens (and pork) not only unemployed but with thousands of dollars in debt because of the investments they have made in chicken farming.  20 years ago it cost $100,000 for a farmer to build a commercial chicken house.  I shudder to think what it costs today.  The plan is to raise chickens abroad and process them and bring them home to America.

So  all of you who work for a living whether you work in the chicken industry or another, had better be scared.  John McCain from his own mouth proclaimed himself to be the biggest free trader ever.  Free trade hasn't worked too well for Americans has it?

The inside scoop is buy Tyson stock now.  Not me.  I will NOT profit by costing American people their jobs.

I've changed my plean from "God Bless America" to "God Have Mercy on America."

How does this relate to the election?  For one thing I don't think we need another "biggest free trader ever" in the White House.

Stop throwing accusations at one another and blaming whatever party on Capitol Hill you hate!!!!!!!!!    All this blame game crap is absolutely nauseating..... all parties have been part of the government since way back when.  The parties in Washington at this moment had absolutely NOTHING to do with the situation at hand......the problem started decades ago with an absolutely desperate president who started up the Federal Reserve program, trying to coax people into believing their money was safe to put in the banks after the banks collapsed.  They were lulled into a false sense of security in hopes they would start putting their money back in the bank and being told their government would guarantee it.........nothing to do with rep or dem, just a desperate president at the helm at the time and all those idiots who should have known better but let it continue nonetheless. 

The corrupt companies in this fix now have been allowed to go this route because of an institution that was started up a looooong time ago, this just didn't happen overnight or a few years.  

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-466210540567002553

Got this e-mail yesterday from a poster yammering on and on about Oprah, for what reason I don't know, because I definitely AIN'T an Oprah watcher.  Poster seems to know her comings and goings quite well; suppose there's too much time on her hands.  Anyhoo......here's the e-mail so if they don't like what you say, they now e-mail their nasty thoughts. Pay close attention to the "you people", whoever they may be.

Gosh, I wish people would make up their minds. You cannot be a muslim and not 

pray in their mosque - however the same church that Oprah attended was the one 

that Obama attended,(Rev. Wright) Oprah went there from 1984 thru the mid 90s 

and it was the United Church of Christ, not a mosque as would be required if 

muslim. You people are really pathetic. 

Buys new huge house in exclusive neighborhood alongside corp execs, where he belongs.  No more clearing brush for the photographers.  Sorry Dubya supporters, you were duped.

The Mormon Church.

I came across this article last night:
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/11/11/baptizing.dead.jews.ap/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

NEW YORK (AP) -- Holocaust survivors said Monday they are through trying to negotiate with the Mormon church over posthumous baptisms of Jews killed in Nazi concentration camps, saying the church has repeatedly violated a 13-year-old agreement barring the practice.

snip

In 1995, Mormons and Jews inked an agreement to limit the circumstances that allow for the proxy baptisms of Holocaust victims. Ending the practice outright was not part of the agreement and would essentially be asking Mormons to alter their beliefs, church Elder Lance B. Wickman said Monday in an interview with reporters in Salt Lake City.

We don't think any faith group has the right to ask another to change its doctrines," Wickman said. "If our work for the dead is properly understood ... it should not be a source of friction to anyone. It's merely a freewill offering."

The Mormon Church was also a major financial backer (I think THE major financial backer) of California Prop 8.

I am fully in favor of any religion observing their own doctrine within the bounds of the law. However, I also believe that their doctrine should be theirs and theirs alone. It cannot be an excuse or a reason for infringing on the civil or religious rights of others.