More info on this, plus other items of interest
Posted By: Observer on 2005-07-23
In Reply to: Another look at the 2000 Bush v. Gore debate. - American Woman
Check out this website:
factcheck.org
It's part of the Annenberg Foundation (don't know anything about that group). Anyway this seems to be a fairly nonpartisan website (even gives statistics backing that up). It provides great coverage of the claims made by both candidates and where the truth actually lay. Not surprisingly it appeared that overall Bush had a bigger problem with manipulating the truth than Kerry.
The site is not limited to just the candidates from the last election - I check it periodically out of general interest. As I said, I want the truth, even if it's painful sometimes.
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Why do you call them conservative items? SM
Because they don't say what you want them to? Because you personally know the author and they are conservative? Why? So sorry to disturb the hatefest and nice touch up there Anon, yeah let them steal guns and shoot the military trying to HELP THEIR SORRY A**ES. Oh, and the raping, too. I guess they are entitled to that, as well. The world has gone mad and you sit and cheer. God Save us.
I posted below when I read those two items and
ALSO read comments from other readers. Other people should read them. It's a real eye opener!
the future of imported items
anything imported, which is basically everything will cost more next year or will simply be unavailable. Manufacturing orders are down for China, inventories are shrinking at retail stores. Even Wal-Mart is cutting back on inventories. I was in a Super Walmart the other day and one half of the store was full, the grocery and clothes half. The rest of the store was abandoned.
My only interest in
posting this was BECAUSE it came from someone on the ground in Iraq, an American soldier. I also said the war seems to affect ONLY those directly involved and you and your husband and family fall into that category. Most Americans do not. I'm sorry you see this as leftist arrogance, but it is how I feel. I did not feel this way about Bush 41 either (this is in reference to Clinton and Somalia) and I think that is because both of them had a plan, listened to those more knowledgeable, had a plan B and C, as the military is wont and got in and got out. It is the arrogance of this administration that angers the left so. At this point Iraq is not ours to win or lose; it is theirs - the Iraqis - and if we had done in the beginning, as recommended by THE MILITARY who know a bit more than the CEOs in office, we would probably be out of there. The US cut a deal with the Ba'athists to calm Anbar province which was totally out of control a few weeks ago and it worked. As I understand it the Ba'athists, altho the old Iraqi army, are not Sunni or Shi'ite bound. They are more like mercenaries than an I-do-not-know-how-many-thousand-year-religious-land conflict that has and will probably go on forever between the Sunnis and Shi'ites. If we had sent in more troops (recommended by military) and had gotten the Ba'athists to cooperate with us earlier; then maybe we would be out of there or at least on our way out. The arrogance I see is the stubborn, petulant refusal of this administration to do anything differently ever, no matter what. Stubborness is not a foreign policy. My feeling also is that because **that is the way we have always done it** is not a reason to keep doing it that way (reference to flag lowering).
This might interest you.
This is only one of a bunch of things he's rushing through so they can't be repaired easily once he's gone (IF he goes).
Here's part of it. The rest of the article can be found at: http://www.truthout.org/110708K
Washington - In the next few weeks, the Bush administration is expected to relax environmental-protection rules on power plants near national parks, uranium mining near the Grand Canyon and more mountaintop-removal coal mining in Appalachia.
The administration is widely expected to try to get some of the rules into final form by the week before Thanksgiving because, in some cases, there's a 60-day delay before new regulations take effect. And once the rules are in place, undoing them generally would be a more time-consuming job for the next Congress and administration.
Of interest, Iraq and oil
"The invasion of Iraq plays a crucial role in the agenda of the neoconservatives. Iraq has the second largest oil reserves in the world. It could replace, in case of need, other producers such as Saudi Arabia, a fragile ally of the United States. The control of oil production and prices gives the United States potential power to pressure consumer states such as Russia, China, and many in Western Europe."
This is by the former French ambassador to Tunisia, now a journalist. I guess I hadn't realized that Iraq was that oil-rich.
Whiners are of no interest. Got more
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Tell me....if Obama said it was in your best interest....
to do a swan dive off the statue of liberty, which of you would get to the top the fastest?
Thought this might be of interest s/m
seems to be a pretty unbiased report.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081102/candidates_business.html
There was interest, as they were being read...
This might interest you.......at least somebody CARES!!
This is from NumbersUSA.com
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The unemployment numbers for May were recently released and are truly disheartening. More than 345,000 Americans lost their jobs last month and unemployment rocketed to 9.4% (the highest since August, 1983). Clearly, it is time for Congress to reduce or suspend most immigration. However, the Congressional leadership is pushing for a mass amnesty!
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Of interest, but probably of limited significance
FACT......Those who have never seen battle personally are usually cowards and the first ones to want war, who preach for war.....and will send your kids and keep their kids home...
Do We See A Pattern Here?
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Democrats
* Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
* David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
* Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
* Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
* Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
* Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
* John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, Purple Hearts.
* Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
* Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam.
* Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53.
* Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
* Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
* Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons.
* Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars, and Soldier's Medal.
* Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and Legion of Merit.
* Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
* Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze Star with Combat V.
* Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
* Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
* Chuck Robb: Vietnam
* Howell Heflin: Silver Star
* George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
* Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but received #311.
* Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
* Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
* John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters.
* Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg.
Republicans
* Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
* Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
* Tom Delay: did not serve.
* Roy Blunt: did not serve.
* Bill Frist: did not serve.
* Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
* Rick Santorum: did not serve.
* Trent Lott: did not serve.
* John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
* Jeb Bush: did not serve.
* Karl Rove: did not serve.
* Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked Max Cleland's patriotism.
* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
* Vin Weber: did not serve.
* Richard Perle: did not serve.
* Douglas Feith: did not serve.
* Eliot Abrams: did not serve
* Richard Shelby: did not serve.
* Jon! Kyl: did not serve
* Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
* Christopher Cox: did not serve.
* Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
* Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
* George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; got assigned to Alabama so he could campaign for family friend running for U.S.
Senate; failed to show up for required medical exam, disappeared from duty.
* Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making movies.
* B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over in Korea.
* Phil Gramm: did not serve.
* John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
* Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
* John M. McHugh: did not serve.
* JC Watts: did not serve.
* Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued in NFL for 8 years.
* Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
* Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
* George Pataki: did not serve.
* Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
* John Engler: did not serve.
* Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
* Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.
Pundits & Preachers
* Sean Hannity: did not serve.
* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
* Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
* Michael Savage: did not serve.
* George Will: did not serve
* Chris Matthews: did not serve.
* Paul Gigot: did not serve.
* Bill Bennett: did not serve.
* Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
* John Wayne: did not serve.
* Bill Kristol: did not serve.
* Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
* Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
* Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
* Ralph Reed: did not serve.
* Michael Medved: did not serve.
* Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
* Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things that don't shoot back.)
I have no interest in addressing your name calling, but
I will just say here that, once again, Peggy Noonan is spot-on. If you read the Conservative board with any regularity at all, it should come as no surprise that conservatives often disagree with GWB's spending; this is one of the two principal areas of disagreement that have been discussed over the past couple of years on the board. The other is border control.
At present, as Ms. Noonan says, he is better than the last alternative. He's also the only game in town as of right now, but he does need to be cautious about being too laissez-faire about alienating the conservative base.
IMHO, unless the Republicans come up with a candidate who is truly a fiscal conservative and is willing to prioritize and cut spending, he is setting Republicans up for another 1992 - a third party candidate siphoning off conservative votes and handing the election to the Democrats. Also IMHO (this will come as no surprise), that would not be a good thing.
Back to the Conservative board....sorry to intrude here, but I can't resist Peggy Noonan.
Hmm...in the interest of full disclosure...
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/07/where_in_the_world_is_obamas_m.html
Don't care where Waldo is, but would like to know where the thesis is...and also the rest of the missing Columbia records. If people are so concerned about where what the #2 on the other ticket did in Wasilla, Alaska, and how many colleges she went to, I would like to know what the #1 on the Democratic ticket was doing during his Columbia years. After all...he IS running for the #1 slot.
You must be talking about our shared interest
resource bases, pride in our candidate, his vision for America and our confidence he will be the "chosen one" come November.
Lack of interest was the point.
Focks Noise is rarely relevant. I am retired and as grown as I can get. Resorting to name calling when someone doesn't agree with you does not exactly imply a great deal of maturity.
As long as you pay them with penalty interest
Just like he did.
Geitner did pay all interest and penalties
Geitner did not pay all his interest and penalties...the IRS forgave the interest and penalties for 2003 and 2004. They wouldn't do that for me or you.
Geitner did pay all interest and penalties
Geitner did not pay all his interest and penalties...the IRS forgave the interest and penalties for 2003 and 2004. They wouldn't do that for me or you.
I don't think that we're losing interest...(sm)
The govt in Iran has really been cracking down on communications. From what I understand (from news last night) they are confiscating computers, cell phones, etc. Because of this, there just simply isn't as much news coming out of Iran.
From some acconts from yesterday it has been said that they started yielding axes (of all things) along with the clubs and tear gas, and threw at least one protester off a bridge.
However, there are still postings on YouTube daily of the brutality going on.
They can reduce the interest to normal levels...
and wipe out whatever they are in arrears, and readjust payments. There is NO NEED to reduce principal. That is just another gimme. And if they can't make the payments on reduced interest they will lose the house ANYWAY. I do not understand this penchant for rewarding irresponsibility ... on the part of the buyers AND the lenders AND the government officials who encouraged the doofus process....can we all say FRANK and DODD???
Higher taxes are not my interest, neither is giving.
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I saw no interest in Democrats uniting behind Bush....
and why on earth would I change my concern about Obama just because he won the election??
I cannot trust a man who says one thing to one person and something else to another. He goes to Israel and tells the Palestinians that Israel should just give the country back. Then he meets with Israelis and backs off of it. He tells one thing to Pennsylvanians and other thing to San franciscans ABOUT Pennsylvanians. He distances himself from Richard Daley and then brings a crony onto staff. Sorry, but I have no interest in backing someone I do not trust. What difference does it make? Nothing I say matters anyway; so just let me have my say and go on about your business aligning yourself behind O the adored. Don't even bother to act like if the election had gone the other way you would be aligning yourself behind McCain and Palin. a bit hypocritical aren't we? lol.
Just in the interest of full disclosure, other members of the Carlyle Group....
They include among others, John Major, former British Prime Minister; Fidel Ramos, former Philippines President; Park Tae Joon, former South Korean Prime Minister; Saudi Prince Al-Walid; Colin Powell, former Secretary of State; James Baker III, former Secretary of State; Caspar Weinberger, former Defense Secretary; Richard Darman, former White House Budget Director; the billionaire George Soros, and even some bin Laden family members. You can add Alice Albright, daughter of Madeleine Albright, former Secretary of State; Arthur Lewitt, former SEC head; William Kennard, former head of the FCC, to this list. Finally, add in the Europeans: Karl Otto Poehl, former Bundesbank president; the now-deceased Henri Martre, who was president of Aerospatiale; and Etienne Davignon, former president of the Belgian Generale Holding Company.
I never knew George Soros was a member. I never bothered to check. Now THAT is interesting.
Also, in the interest of putting it all out there...the bin Laden family disowned Osama years before 9-11.
Fitzgerald renews interest in Rezko-Obama deal...
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=83760
possible topics of conversation besides bashing our very popular president in the interest of preven
http://www.npr.org/
The 2008 credit has to be paid back (no interest), but not the 2009 credit.
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Here's a little info for you.
You brandish the name of your saviour like it was a badge of honor.
Did it ever occur to you that some people don't believe in your religion/saviour? Perhaps it never occurred to you that there are OTHER RELIGIONS out there in this world that other people believe in. Your salvation might be another person's idea of mythology.
It's kind of sad that your religious philosophy is to shove your crap down everyone else's throat.
Bush is a nutcase. This country is going down the tubes. And, after reading the blurb above about how he said God told him to clean up the mess in Iraq and God told him to declare war on the mideast, I fear that this country is really in deep doo-doo. I shudder to think what the next three years will be like under this administration. A president has to please ALL THE PEOPLE, not just one segment of the population.
As far as the supreme court and the abortion issue, well let's put it like this. If abortion becomes a crime AGAIN - women will be like third world citizens - AGAIN. Abortion will not stop, it will go back to the alleys, backrooms and other dirty places where it used to be done and women will DIE. And to use a worn-out phase - If you don't believe in abortion, don't have one.
Here is more info. sm
The term New World Order (NWO) has been used by numerous politicians through the ages, and is a generic term used to refer to a worldwide conspiracy being orchestrated by an extremely powerful and influential group of genetically-related individuals (at least at the highest echelons) which include many of the world's wealthiest people, top political leaders, and corporate elite, as well as members of the so-called Black Nobility of Europe (dominated by the British Crown) whose goal is to create a One World (fascist) Government, stripped of nationalistic and regional boundaries, that is obedient to their agenda.
Listen to the Zionist* banker, Paul Warburg:
We will have a world government whether you like it or not. The only question is whether that government will be achieved by conquest or consent. (February 17, 1950, as he testified before the US Senate).
Their intention is to effect complete and total control over every human being on the planet and to dramatically reduce the world's population by two thirds. While the name New World Order is the term most frequently used today to loosely refer to anyone involved in this conspiracy, the study of exactly who makes up this group is a complex and intricate one.
The corporate portion of the NWO is dominated by international bankers, oil barons and pharmaceutical cartels, as well as other major multinational corporations. The Royal Family of England, namely Queen Elizabeth II and the House of Windsor, (who are, in fact, descendants of the German arm of European Royalty - the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha family - changed the name to Windsor in 1914), are high level players in the oligarchy which controls the upper strata of the NWO. The decision making nerve centers of this effort are in London (especially the City of London), Basel Switzerland, and Brussels (NATO headquarters).
Would welcome info.
I would like to hear both your thoughts on stem cell research. I know little about it, really.
don't know where you get your info from
Probably some whack-job radio show who spew only one side (their side). The hatred those shows put out I still don't understand why people listen - or believe it! Guess they all feed off of "hate". And its on both sides! I've voted both. I voted for Clinton the first term. Two weeks later got a rude awakening on what he was about. Voted republican the next time. Then voted against Gore cos I didn't want a third term Clinton, but I wasn't voting for Bush, I was voting against and it has been like that ever since. You said McCain has more insight into the real world? Are you kidding? He is like Bush - exactly alike! He does not have insight into the real world and everytime he says something he has to be corrected by his closest peers. It reminds me of when I was watching Regan and Nancy Regan had to help him along. McCains wife is a billionairess. I have seen nothing to show that McCain will help the people. All he's interested in is keeping the war going for the next hundred years. Then somewhere along the line someone must have told him its popular among the people and they'll vote for you if you tell them you have a plan for bringing the troops home, so he started saying that. The truth is he has no intention of bringing troops home. And if the war ends in Iraq/Afganistan he'll send them somewhere else. He refuses to sit down and talk to leaders of other countries. Just "take-em-out". As for new world order. Take another look ....they are all for it. This is nothing new with leaders - Hillary especially. What she has in her sights is creating one world government and she wants to rule over it. But I've been listing to Obama talk and I hear nothing of that (I'm still not voting for him, but I haven't heard any of what you seem to be hearing). As for him changing the Seal of the US President - I sure don't know where your getting your info but that is just plain wrong. Sounds like something Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity or some other nut case republican radio show host is saying. And as for his church. I have heard other people talk about the church and it is not all hate. So they take a sound bite from one sermon and blow it up. Let's talk about Hague (a supporter of McCain), or how about Fallwell when he was alive (another supporter of the republicans). They are the most hateful and biggotted people. They don't talk about love (unless you happen to be their religion). You can keep religion. I want to be closer to God so therefore I am staying away from all churches. So go ahead and vote republican, I myself will be thinking for myself and deciding for myself, not what someone else tells me I should do.
Info
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26496189/
Here is some info...
In the middle of this blog's home page is a section called "Seriously?" in which someone's comments are quoted incredulously. It currently features John McCain and his reply at Saturday's Saddleback Forum when asked to define "rich": "I think if you're just talking about income," McCain said, "how about $5 million?"
To be fair to McCain, his answer was more nuanced than that.
As soon as he said it, he gave the following qualification (note, too, his own use of the word "seriously"):
I don't think, seriously that—the point is that I'm trying to make here seriously—and I'm sure that comment will be distorted, but the point is...that we want to keep people's taxes low and increase revenues.
...So it doesn't matter really what my definition of "rich" is because I don't want to raise anybody's taxes. I really don't. In fact, I want to give working Americans a better shot at having a better life. And we all know the challenges, my friends.
McCain's answer was a good one. He refused to play the game of defining "rich," because the premise of that game is that "rich" people aren't taxed enough. The percentage of one's income forked over to the federal government is hardly the best indicator of one's contributions to the American economy—not least because it assumes lawmakers spend the money wisely. Allow individuals to retain their earnings and they invest in companies, buy new cars, or remodel their houses—all of which keeps the economy humming. As hard as it is to imagine, even nitwitted Paris Hilton has her benefits. Her spending sprees keep shops open, salespeople employed, and importers, manufacturers, marketers, and a whole host of others in business.
But what was Barack Obama's answer to what constitutes rich? A family earning $250,000. Given that he proposes raising the top marginal rate to 39.6 percent, that would mean the family is left with $151,000—and that's before local, state, property, and sales taxes.
So for Obama, leaving a family with $151,000 means they're rich? Er, "Seriously?"
Really...SERIOUSLY???
Some info for you on the ads
Said I wouldn't be back because of all the bickering and fighting going on, but I came here today to let you know about the following information. I think everyone will find it interesting.
WGAL-TV reporter Matt Belanger will be looking at the ads of both candidates in the coming weeks and break them down so we can be INFORMED voters. Here are his first investigations. He will be doing this every week until election day. It may help some people on this board make up their minds without going to the trash sites for garbage news. Enjoy and PLEASE STOP FIGHTING!!!!
If the links don’t work, go to www.wgal.com and in the search box at the top left, put in “Video 8: On Your Side.”
http://www.wgal.com/video/17508920/index.html
http://www.wgal.com/video/17491060/index.html
Thanks for this info. I would like to see it, too. nm
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A little info on this......
http://www.waronfreedom.org/dox/BONoUsCitizen.htm
More info here....
http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/08/did_il_abortion.html
August 22, 2008
Did IL abortion law protect babies aborted alive?
Sean Hannity has done a fabulous job covering the Barack Obama/Born Alive scandal.
For the past 2 nights his liberal counterpart, Alan Colmes, has proposed rationale far and away from Obama's original reason for opposing the IL Born Alive Infants Protection Act, which he stated on the IL State Senate floor in 2001, at the genesis of this debate:
I just want to suggest ... that this is probably not going to survive constitutional scrutiny....
I mean, it - it would essentially bar abortions, because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an anti-abortion statute. For that purpose, I think it would probably be found unconstitutional.
Colmes has maintained, quoting from last night's show, "there was already a law in place that said that in the unlikely case that an abortion would be - cause a live birth, a doctor should provide immediate medical care for any child born alive."
Here are Hannity and Colmes segments from August 20 and August 21, debating Obama's opposition to Born Alive:
Was there a law in place? As National Review Online's Ramesh Ponnuru explained in a column August 20...
IL law has rules - loophole-ridden rules, but rules - requiring treatment of babies who have "sustainable survivability." If an attempted abortion of a pre-viable fetus results in a live birth, the law did not protect the infant. Nurse Jill Stanek said that at her hospital "abortions" were repeatedly performed by inducing the live birth of a pre-viable fetus and then leaving it to die. When she made her report, the attorney general said that no law had been broken. That's why legislators proposed a bill to fill the gap.
National Right to Life adds:
Obama's defenders... fail to mention that the law covered only situations where an abortionist decided before the abortion that there was "a reasonable likelihood of sustained survival of the fetus outside the womb."...
Moreover, as [liberal columnist] Eric Zorn of the Chicago Tribune notes (August 20, 2008), "Prosecutors in IL entered into a consent decree in 1993 agreeing not to prosecute doctors for apparent or alleged violations of this law based on 'born alive' definitions or other definitions." To read or download the consent decree to which Mr. Zorn refers, click here.
Also see this letter we received from Republican pro-life IL Attorney General Jim Ryan in July 2000 stating he could find no law Christ Hospital was violating (click to enlarge):
![Jim](http://www.jillstanek.com/Jim%20Ryan%20letter%20page%201-thumb-500x822.jpg")
info about AP
They are now free to put opinions in their so-called news. Check it out if you don't believe me. It's not like it wasn't that way previously, but now it's out in the open.
Thanks for the info....(sm)
I hadn't really thought that much about how much manipulation Israel itself does with these groups. I've always looked more from the aspect of US intervention and backing. I'll have to read up on that. Thanks.
More info...........
This lady did give birth prematurely to the child (only 3 to 4 months pregnant) with several severe conditions and, of course, it still is in critical condition, and this was in January she gave birth.
So if the child is living and in critical condition, the mother is now in custody and in jail and could face 20 years in prison, why is it our precious president thinks it's no big deal to allow late term abortions, allow a STILL living aborted baby to lie in a bucket until dies an agonizing death because Obama says it doesn't deserve medical care even though the child is still alive and abortion didn't kill it, and the doctors and nurses present aren't put in jail and the mother who chose to have this sick procedure isn't put in jail?
This country is going to he!! in a handbasket fast!!!
thanks for the info
Thanks for the nice reply - I was a little hesitant to post, thought I might get blasted as I realize this can be a sensitive topic.
I just posted because I believe there were misconceptions about what a universal sytem might entail. And obviously any attempt so have something similar in the United States would be a massive undertaking and probably would be a different model than what we have. Just want to mention a couple of things. Someone mentioned government interference, not specifically referring to Canada, but more to the US. There really isn't much here - everyone has a health card and wherever we go we use it. Within your own province and going to most other provinces (excluding Quebec, where they always like to be different) most of the time there is no government-related paperwork, no permission for tests/surgeries/etc., and everything is between the patient and doc.
I realize some doctors would no longer be involved in direct patient care, but some here are not as well, although I would think universal coverage would mean fewer doctors needed as legal consultants, people wouldn't need to sue to cover their medical bills?
Another bonus. I've been working as an MT for 29 years, for many different places, have never been employed at a place where our work is sent offshore (probably happens, but not to such a degree). Maybe combination of health care not being run by private interests and I believe we have stricter privacy laws covering all personal information, including health-related.
Thanks
Where did you get your info?
I saw nothing in the bill that included all you included in your statement. As I read it, it just allows for stiffer penalties for hate crimes.
I would definitely like to check this out more.
Actually, thanks for posting this....appreciate the info.
Not sure what all the rants are all about. You were simply echoing what Santorum said in a tongue-in-cheek kind of way. Thanks for sharing this article.
A little info PK, or should I say *Stephen*
Your...his post was deleted because they were accompanied by profanity. The usual left spin machine is in full swing here.
If you simply follow the rules and don't curse people you will find your posts have true staying power.
This is interesting info, but does not add anything to...sm
THIS debate. Not buying it...Clinton can not be used as a scapegoat here.
If you believe the allegations and conspiracy theories against Clinton, why turn a deaf ear to Bush? That is partison ignorance.
and I too had to pass on this info
http://share.triangle.com/node/13576
The questions remain :
What is Barack Husein Obama - a Senator from Illinois - doing when he is interacting with a violent rebel, muslim leader in Kenya who may have been responsible for the murder of dozens of innocent people burned to death simply because they took refuge in a church?
What is Barack Husein Obama doing when he interferes in the internal operations of a foreign nation like Kenya?
Are you going to let a well organized and well financed representative of a foreign government push his way any further into your national government?
How many more people have to die before Americans come to understand that Barack Husein Obama is not a product of the land of Lincoln?
Born in Hawaii he spent most of his life in the violent and backward nation of Indonesia – where not too long ago the Australians had to stop the Muslims from killing all the Christians in East Timor.
When will this blood soaked travesty of our national political system come to an end? When will the mocking smirk of our enemies be wiped from our television screens?
Change they want? With the gun? With the torch?
Would like to respond, but need more info....
I have been a bit out of touch the past week or so (looking for a job) and have not heard about Obama's latest remarks regarding sanctions, coalitions and the like. Could you please cite your sources for this information? It sounds like spin to me, but I like to keep open mind. You are right about much food for thought and I would like to enter this discussion once I know where this is coming from.
IMO, the sanctions against Iraq have very little to do with "punishing" Sadaam and more to do with serving US interests in destabilizing the region as a whole, thus facilitating US ambitions of securing and maintaining "oil"igarchy in the Middle East. We have been doing that ever since the late 1940s. Examples abound. Don't get me started.
The Iran sanctions discussion is a moot point. We have imposed sanctions against Iran ever since the Islamic revolution in 1979. Over the years, these have been extended and have become so harsh, there really is nothing left to sanction. This has succeeded in fueling the hatred Islamic extremists hold toward the West and emboldened their leaders, who have been quite resourcesful in bypassing US sanctions by forming alliances with other western and eastern countries.
With regard to "international coalitions" against Iran, I would be more worried about the Bush Administration covert operations as described recently by Seymour Hersh in the New Yorker (http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/04/17/060417fa_fact) than anything Obama may come up with.
Still, I would be interested in learning more about these remarks you find so troubling.
THanks for the info. I think others here could benefit from it also.
Thank you for sharing. I really didn't know that.
Got this info on Kilkenny...
According to Ann Kilkenny, a Democrat who observed City Council, Palin also brought up the idea of banning some books at one meeting, but did not follow through with the idea.[18]
This is the Kilkenny who wrote the email. Obviously the story has changed.
I cannot find anything to verify the size of the deficit other than heresay. I guess the only way you would know is fly up there and look at the city records. Out of curiousity I did Google average city budget deficits, and when I saw all the cities here and all the deficits...
And I would also need to know if that "surplus" was an actual surplus or another one of those phantom "projected" surplusses. I cannot find anything concrete on that either.
I'm sure reliable info is out there somewhere...... sm
but it would be hard to find. Any national coverage for the UAW would be the same, I would think, as the national coverage that Obama wants to put in place for all Americans.
one of many places for this info
And plenty more will be posted here. I hadn't even heard of Democratic Underground. Classy!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,419964,00.html
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