Memory does not serve you correctly.
Posted By: The financial crisis on 2009-01-20
In Reply to: I'm sorry, you are aware of what caused the financial crisis aren't you? - Emily Ayn
began long before the dems to control of Congress. Do some research before you spout your partisan blather. That is exactly what is wrong with this country and this board. You are too busy placing blame, whether deserved or not, to realize that you do not know the truth. You believe spin, not facts.
Look up Glass-Steagall, Gram-Leach-Blilley, toxic mortagages, and packaged derivatives if you really want to know how this began. If not, well continue to blather.
Don't bother to respond. I am not bothering to come back here. I thought this board would be different because it is MTs who use their brains for a living, but I guess MTs can be trolls too, as proven by a majority of the posts here. Luckily, I did find a board where, even though they disagree, they do so with logic, intelligence, and reason.
Good luck to you all. You are going to need it.
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Anybody see any hypocrisy here?
by Sen. Howard W. Carroll
Democrats:
Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, Purple Hearts.
Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam.
Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53.
Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons.
Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars, and Sol dier's Medal.
Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and Legion of Merit.
Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze Star with Combat V.
Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
Chuck Robb: Vietnam
Howell Heflin: Silver Star
George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but received #311.
Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters.
Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg.
Republicans
These are the guys sending people to war
Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
Tom Delay: did not serve.
Roy Blunt: did not serve.
Bill Frist: did not serve.
Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
Rick Santorum: did not serve.
Trent Lott: did not serve.
John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
Jeb Bush: did not serve.
Karl Rove: did not serve.
Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. Bad knee. The man who attacked Max Cleland's patriotism.
Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
Vin Weber: did not serve.
Douglas Feith: did not serve.
Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
Richard Shelby: did not serve.
Jon Kyl: did not serve.
Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
Christopher Cox: did not serve.
Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; got assigned to Alabama so he could campaign for family friend running for U.S. Senate; failed to show up for required medical exam, disappeared from duty.
B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over in Korea.
Phil Gramm: did not serve.
John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
John M. McHugh: did not serve.
JC Watts: did not serve.
Jack Kemp: did not serve. Knee problem, although continued in NFL for 8 years.
Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
George Pataki: did not serve.
Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
John Engler: did not serve.
Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.
Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making movies.
Pundits & Preachers
1 Sean Hannity: did not serve.
Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
Michael Savage: did not serve.
George Will: did not serve.
Chris Matthews: did not serve.
Paul Gigot: did not serve.
Bill Bennett: did not serve.
Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
Bill Kristol: did not serve.
Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
Ralph Reed: did not serve.
Michael Medved: did not serve.
Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things that don't shoot back.)
John Wayne: did not serve.
Please keep this information circulating
Sen. Howard W. Carroll
There are other ways to serve one's country
Some are big, and some are small. Just having a job, working hard and staying off welfare is one way. Being a legal immigrant and not an illegal one is another. Donating time and money to charities, philanthropic organizations (even the SPCA) are all little things that serve the greater good. Not committing crimes, voting in elections, working with the PTA, the local soccer team, or participating in 'cleanup day' in your town... those all count, too. I have the greatest respect and empathy for a man who served in the armed forces and suffered at the hands of the enemy. But that doesn't necessarily qualify him to lead the country in these particular times. In another time, perhaps. But not now. He's too old, his time is past, and his ideas (basically the same as Bush's, just painted over to look different) are outdated. They don't address the everyday problems this country and its people face today. His way has been tried, and it's not working very well. (Unless, of course, you breathe the rarified air of the wealthiest communities in the country.) Just about EVERYbody in the country needs a break, small & medium-sized businesses included, and there are ways to do that so that everyone benefits, and yet everyone pulls their fair share of the load.
If the everyday citizen of the country is doing better financially, and if big business is paying its share and not jumping through countless loopholes each tax season, then there's more money to support the country's infrastructure. We have potholed roads, rotting bridges, and our hospital emergency rooms are so overloaded with people with no health insurance, either there for their everyday care, or for the rash of gunshot casualties we have, that many of them have closed their doors.
So yes, it's time for a younger President and a fresh outlook, because what's gone on in the last decade or two has grown very, very stale.
At least he was brave enough to serve his country..
not like some politicians who dodge the draft.
MOST people who serve in the military are
..
It will serve her well when she faces the pit bull on the other side...
can't wait.
The victim in a breakin is more likely to serve time than the theif
if they are shot in self defense in Alabama. Criminals have so many rights that if you shoot them in the back in your house you could be liable. If you shoot them and they fall out of your door, you could be liable. It's a joke.
As far as the child molesters, in a day and time of Jessica Lunsford and the Groene masacre, I don't see how a judge could let a child rapist walk with 60 days of jail time. He's dead wrong and the governer of Vermont needs to be the one to take the first stand to push for tougher laws so that judges can not skate on sentencing. It should be a mandatory 25 years for raping a child 12 and under, just like in Florida.
You and she should apply to serve on Michelle Bachmann's McCarthyesque
so you can investigate dems in the Congress and Senate for unpatriotic subversion and help her define precisely what means to be and not to be an American and come up with some sort of homogenous morality that we can all follow. You two could be in charge of decency and common sense department.
Memory lapse
I don't post much anymore. There is not much outrage left in me these days. Things just go from bad to worse. There was a time I could remember and reiterate all the shenanigans in DC, from just juvenile personal behavior to outright lawbreaking but there is just so much happening so often that I can't remember anymore. One scandal after another after another after another. If ever a government was broken, it is this one. None of these candidates can do a thing about it and I believe that is because of American complacency. We have brought this on ourselves.Oh so many people are worried about Barak and his lack of experience. For the last 2 elections we have placed and replaced in office a man with no experience whatsoever, one who with all his advantages had never even been out of the country but nobody cared, complancency. Less than 50% of us vote. Impeachments could be issued left and right but none of us seem to care enough about what is going on to pursue that. This administration has been conservatism on mega steroids. Not only do they believe in less goverment, I think they believe in NO government at all. I really do. They just do what they do, everybody walks, incompetency abounds, I can't even begin to address the Middle East lunacy, New Orleans, leaks, leaks, leaks, lies, lies, lies, paranoia runs deep in the heartland, etc. Politics are about the most inconsequential, unimportant, ridiculous bits of fluff to ever fill the airways these past few weeks. The only thing I care about this election is "Can you fix it?, any of it?" I don't care if you are a Hindu, a Jain, a Lutheran, a Mormon or a Jehovah's Witness or nothing. I don't care how many times you have been married or if you are gay, transgendered, have children in prison or on drugs or both. I don't care what your position is on same-sex marriage or abortion. Can you fix this broken government. Can you get us out of the middle east. Can you get us health care. Can you educate our kids. Can you explain to those opposed to immigration in terms that they understand that the problem lies with American greed, our broken government and the fact we all seem to need to have someone to hate...this time its the Mexicans and no matter what anyone says, when illegal alien, immigrant, whatever word is used, translation is Mexican. If all the immigrants were blond-haired, blue-eyed Swedes I don't think there would be much of a "crisis." The immigrants didn't take over the auto industry or the clothing industry or any of the manufacturing industries. We gave them to China. Having lived 20+ years in Florida with immigrant workers I don't know when it was they became a "crisis" but I suspect it was when someone in DC needed diversion from a truly criminal act and hating is so easy. None of us can really save this country. Creator can but, IMHO, until we start having the courage to behave with honor and dignity towards our fellow man and the creation that Creator has loaned us to live upon, I think we are doomed.
Hmm:) I'm the one who spelled it correctly...
..but obviously I didn't know about the incident? Nice try. Made me smile. I think I can see it from your point of view though. Johnson like Bush? Silly. Lying to the American people to get them to accept a war on false pretenses? Oh so silly, go on with your bad self. How in the world would that ever happen? Sheez, the imaginations some people have:)
You heard correctly.
In fact, McCain came out initially and said that he would be suspending his campaign and heading back to Washington and staying until something was done about the financial crisis. Barry, on the other hand, said he was NOT suspending his campaign and that if they needed him, they could call him. The only reason Barry went to Washington yesterday was at the request of Bush. He requested both McCain and Obama to be there. If it had not been for that request, Barry would never have gone back to Washington and he would have just kept campaigning.
Some people call this a publicity stunt on McCain's part. Personally, I think it just shows to me that McCain will put his country ahead of his own agenda. Obama....however, falls way short in this. Obviously more concerned about his own agenda and campaign.
McCain did not accept the initial bailout as it would make taxpayers pay for this instead of the people responsible for this. Another example of McCain looking out for us little guys on the totum pole (us tax payers) and not looking out for the big corporations and millionaires. So much for Obama's change that we can believe in.
Did I understand correctly? sm
The BP without the night stick "lives in the building"? I was under the impression that polling places were to be public buildings and not residential buildings. Am I mistaken about this?
GP, do I understand you correctly? sm
You "decided to do some research on the birth certificate." Does this mean that you had not, up to this point, even bothered to look at the evidence? If so, I am shocked.
The site you cited is not an independent site. It is most definitely an Obama site and slanted in his favor. This matter needs to be investigated by an independent source IF such a source can be found in the US.
Now that you have posted your evidence, I hope that you will at least take the time to look at what I present as evidence as it does go into a lot of detail explaining why the document Obama has produced as a birth certificate is, in fact, not a birth certificate or even a legal document for that matter. Yes, it is YouTube, but understand that YouTube is just a vehicle for presenting video over the internet, so please just bite your tongue for a moment and look at the information. I think you will find it interesting, especially if you have not even bothered before now to actually investigate this on your own.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAZAbqgpoGQ&NR=1
Short memory span?
Is there a reason why you repeat yourself over and over and over and over and over and over again? Rehashing the same ridiculous complaints over and over and over and over and over and over again?
Why don't you post the butt in a chair thing a few more times? You guys have called us more or less drugged out hippies with references to what we must be smoking, what we must have been doing in the 60s and our hookahs. You ain't exactly perfect. Now if I post this paragraph about ten more times you might get the idea, right?
More like outdated and slanted memory!
Your sources are 4 and close to 5 years old and the primary sources of the first article are Foxnews.com and another source that has the catchy address of reasons-for-war-with-iraq.info. So you're saying that the reasons-for-war-with-iraq.info website is more accurate than the Pentagon and the 9/11 commission? As I always say, I want to read stuff that's not from far-far left or right wing sources. I also want it to be a little more timely.
Well, Obama has selective memory when it comes
nm
may I refresh your memory... respectfully...
George Bush had the same absence of checks and balances in his favor.
Didn't really work for us, right? Let's see how it works swingin' this way.
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Some of these posts are getting hooked up into other posts that had nothing to do with the previous post. The posts are not posting properly, in other words. So, I apologize if a response is posted where it should not have been.
I don't believe you are quoting the Old Testament correctly. sm
Or interpreting it correctly either. Can you cite me which passages you are referring to?
Yes, i read, and if I understood you correctly...
CNN was circumventing Obama, which is not surprising, because while they do have a liberal bias, they also have a very CLINTON bias. I was just pointing out that they are not a bastion of integrity.
At least I spelled Liberace correctly. LOL!
nm.
Selective memory must be nice. The point is sm
They were on their own board. THAT IS THE POINT. Who cares what you think?
His memory is no more 'selective' than the current Pres..
and his cronies...
you brought back a dear memory for me
My late Mother, who was Pres. of the County RNC (with 6 kids, mind you), used to tell us kids, "you just wait." Boy, was she ever right. I was going to fund-raisers for Goldwater in grade school, so that gives you an idea how old I am (51).
Anyway, Mother had these stickers s she'd put on letters saying "America is a Republic, not a Democracy."
The bulk of the the
You have a selective memory...not surprising for a liberal.
If I understant your previous writing correctly,
apparently you have been missing in action over the last 8 years. There have been absolutely NO checks or balances, so how would that be any different than what we already have. Obama ushering in a New World Order? You have completely misunderstood this whole conversation. These things have started almost 20 years ago. It is not NEW, it is now being expounded upon, but NOT NEW!! Bush played into this all of his 8 years in office...maybe you should look again and read some more. I am just the messenger.
No, Lollipop - no copy/paste......my memory serves me well....nm
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you did hear correctly and glad you finally brought it up
I'm so tired of hearing about poor Hillary. She did have people bused in from other states to vote (who weren't from that state). I know it because I was watching it on the news (CNN of all stations). Reporters were seeing out of state vehicles and other stuff.
For all the Hillary supporters take a look at just part of her resume:
1. Firing and prosecuting the White House Travel Office employees so she could enrich her friends.
2. Breaking the law on her cattle futures deals as she engaged in insider trading.
3. Having Bill pardon convicted Puerto Rican terrorists to get votes for Hillary in New York.
4. A record of shenanigans in the Whitewater deal which sent the Governor of Arkansas and numerous other people to jail.
5. Trying to reverse the American Revolution with her health care plan (would have given the Labor Department the authority to raise taxes on workers with NO approval from Congress and no limit would have been placed on the tax hikes either.)
6. Her health care task force was fined $250,000 for meeting in secret and violating government opens meetings laws.
She sickens me and I'm tired of her funny numbers. She did not win no matter what she and her followers want to believe. The voting system has been in place since anyone can remember, and now when she doesn't win she wants to change everything to go in her favor. Like I've said before. She needs to go back to the hole she crawled out of and stay here.
If I remember correctly, in the debates he said he would be happy to pay more taxes.
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