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Maybe you finally hounded her off the board, too.

Posted By: Reader on 2005-09-22
In Reply to: Where's gt anyway? - hmmmm

The ones who should be banned are the ones who can't stay on their own board and do nothing but attack and gang up on other posters who don't agree with them.  Anyone who disagrees with you on your board, you tell them to get off.  Practice what you preach, loser.


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Whatever. No one hounded them off. sm
They got a healthy dose of their OWN medicine.

Them gals had run off many of people from the old mtstars board in their day constantly attacking anyone who didn't have a conservative view. Maybe YOU weren't around then.
It's too bad you don't have the courage of your convictions. You don't know hounded. SM
Hounded was what happened to Nan and AG.  THAT was hounded.  They left for the good of the board. You are leaving because you can't take it.  I have to say, that doesn't say much for your convictions.  So GO ALREADY or stay and fight.  That's what I would do.
Finally

More and more are finally *getting it*.


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USA (
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invites you to join them in
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the statement at:
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Okay, I finally get it...
you don't want to pay a high insurance premium. You could find better uses for that money. But is it fair to tax everyone, including all those people who will use the entitlement because they apparently cannot or will not insure their own children, people like me who do struggle to pay health insurance premiums but manage to do so, is it fair to cut into our incomes even more so that it is more comfortable for you to not have to worry about a $1000 premium? You see where I am going with this? Because we, the taxpayers, including you, at all levels, are going to pay for this. Not a cigarette tax because it won't come close to covering the expansion. How is that fair? It is never going to be completely fair to all of us...and you say I keep saying $80K...you keep saying $1000 a month. There are policies that are more affordable than that. Might not be the cadillac of policies, but it would be coverage. It is about choices. Let's drop all social programs EXCEPT free health care for ALL American children (and apparently illegals as it does not seem to bother you they are included). Fund that first, DO NOT raise taxes, ANY taxes. After childrens health care is covered, whatever is left give to other entitlements. Again, what is wrong with tax cuts for those who pay their insurance premiums? Oh wait, I'm sorry. You don't want a tax cut and still pay the premium. You want it free. But again...it is not FREE. Every taxpayer in America will have to pay for it. Frankly, I think it is just as important to fix social security so that the next bunch of elderly won't be destitute...but hey, at least some of you can go on a vacation. SIGH.
Finally, but she has.....
no dignity, or honor, or shame, or anything. I think she finally listened to the people and did the math (the real math that is, not her "fuzzy" figures counting certain states votes (the ones that voted for her) but not others (the ones who voted for Obama). How does she think I feel knowing that she is out there saying my vote doesn't count because my state was for Obama. How does she think the people who voted for her in those states feel when she says their vote is not important enough because they are in Caucus' so their vote should not count. I was never in support of her as I'm sure if you've read previous posts of mine. I think there are so many many other qualified women I would have loved to see run for the white house and I think they would have done a much better job than her. She's just a really nasty person in both her political and personal life. I for one like living in America. I do not want the whole world to be one nation, one country which is what she is pushing for. I want to live in America and keep my job here. She is for sending jobs overseas. Whatever the other candidates are about, she is by far the worst of them. Well actually her and McCain are equal in "evil-ity". That's why I will write in Ron Pauls name at election time (if I can).
Finally...........
I knew there had to be someone out there who actually does their homework. He definitely has associations with some very worrisome and dangerous bed fellows but hey, some are just so anti-Republican they will vote for anything the democrats throw out there. I'm not a McCain supporter either, but Obama's past voting and lack thereof speaks for itself. He avoids invitations to speak wherever he thinks he may be called out on the carpet so to speak and can't wiggle and squirm his way through the answers and all that calm appearance will be put to test. He'll fold like a cheap tent.
ahh . . . someone finally got it.

xx


 


By Joe somebody's finally got it.
X
Finally

 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYdk26ezVio


 


 


You know he has finally come to his
the most watched news cable channel and the only fair and balanced, he is moving to FOX!
finally got it...somehow. n/m
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W finally impeachable?
Hopefully this will lead to the impeachment of W
Below 40%, OMG, America is finally *getting it*

September 10th, 2005 11:57 am
President's Approval Rating Dips Below 40



By Will Lester / Associated Press


President Bush's job approval has dipped below 40 percent for the first time in the AP-Ipsos poll, reflecting widespread doubts about his handling of gasoline prices and the response to Hurricane Katrina.


Nearly four years after Bush's job approval soared into the 80s after the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, Bush was at 39 percent job approval in an AP-Ipsos poll taken this week. That's the lowest since the the poll was started in December 2003.


The public's view of the nation's direction has grown increasingly negative as well, with nearly two-thirds now saying the country is heading down the wrong track.


Finally - someone who agrees with me
I have read about her & Bill since before they ever got into the white house the first time. Their lives before they met each other, her career in the Rose Law Firm, all the "mysterious circumstances" that happened to people who disagreed with them, etc. They are both a disgrace to the Democratic party and they are tearing it apart for their own personal gain. Sure Barack is not perfect, sure he's going to push unneeded programs that will cost us money, sure I expect our taxes to be higher with him, however, she will do the same thing and worse. She wants a one-world government and she wants to be in charge of it all. I've read that she is pushing for Canada, US & Mexico to be one country and change our currency, among other things. As you said she is an evil self serving person. She cares nothing about people like me. The thing I like about Obama is his public service has shown he cares about people like me. He wants the US to be a great country and he is going to help people like me, and getting the economy back on track and our troops home. I don't trust Clinton because her voting record and the work she has done in her political career has served herself alone. Not the american people. I'm not voting for Clinton because I don't want 4 years of the same thing we had when B Clinton was in. It was a very dark time for our country and all you have to do is read to know that our taxes were the highest EVER when they were in. I don't want to go back to that and our country will be torn apart if she gets in. It just makes me very nervous to know that she is going to try something to just "place" herself in the position because she believes it is hers and nobody elses. She feels she should just be "anointed" into the position, like the Queen of England. On one other note...I could care less about J. Wright and that other minister (luckily a lot of other people feel the same). The minister of a church that he used to go to is not going to affect his position as president, however, the way Hillary has voted in the past, and the dirty money she has received, and the lobbyists who support her will affect her position if she was to be president. Just is a very scary time right now until the convention is finally done with. I'm also very interested to hear some debates between Obama and McCain. What's really getting to her that I laugh at is that it is going to be very very easy to win over McCain and she sees her chance slipping through her fingers. What she isn't realizing though is that if she was the nominee McCain would crush her because of her positions and background. Even the polls have come out and said that Obama is clearly winning over McCain but McCain is winning (or at least neck-n-neck) with Hillary.
Finally!! Someone with brains!!

Sambo's ranting and raving backed up with her "so called" facts are actually quite laughable. And then......to top it off - we have the whiners who proclaim "she backs it up with facts." HA!! Sofa King Wee Todd id!!!! Baaa, baaaa - the sheep must follow. Amazing, absolutely amazing. Watching that mass - pizza the hut Sambo - go gurgling out into space in a blaze of fire just made my day. To you, my most sincerest respect.


HOORAY!!!! Someone finally got it.
x
Well, thanks for finally understanding what I was saying.
Hitler maybe, but I'd have to think about that one for a while.
Oh, did you finally get out of bed this morning? nm
x
OH NO! I think we finally agree on something!


RNC is finally saying something about the bailouts. sm
RNC Draft Rips Bush's Bailouts.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/dec/30/rnc-pushes-unprecedented-criticism-of-bailouts/
Well, you finally got one point right......... sm
God will judge you and your worthiness for admission to heaven..... And unless you are standing before Him clothed in the righteousness of Jesus, then you will be found sorely lacking.
My apologies..... you DO get it..... finally, someone
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Finally - see message
Like the poster below it does give me hope for common sense. I've been saying for the last month or so, when are people going to stand up for what is right and say enough is enough, we're not going to see our country destroyed anymore. Your statement is so true - "They went too far".

I used to be liberal in my viewpoints until what just took over. After everything they have been doing I am no longer liberal. I would love to see a third party emerge, but don't think that will ever happen in 100 years, so am glad the conservatives are finally bringing things together.

Of course you will still have the die-hard crats who will try to make up stuff about the conservatives dying off, etc, etc (you know all that balogne they are fed from the main stream media/MSNBC/CNN) but I'm just glad things are turning around.

The previous administration might not have been the greatest, but the current administration is way past worst and they soon will find the same demise. People have had enough.
So you and your buds bash us on *your* board and suddenly, once you reach this board,

some respect?


You publicly post on the other board that you *try not to visit the bog of eternal stench.*


Well, doesn't look like you are trying all that hard. Or is that another example of Conservative honesty, like your buddy on the other board lies 3 times before suddenly deciding to be *up front* (in her own words) about the whole bogus line of crap she was spouting.


You and your 2 friends don't respect anyone unless they're a member of your little club, think exactly as you think, belong to the same political party as you belong, and believe in the very same little narrow SUBsection of one particular religion.


That's what I interpret from YOUR WRITTEN WORDS.  Your posts don't show respect.  They only show twisted *facts*, ignorance, anger and hatred.


You can't be *respectful* on your own board but suddenly, when you come here - HERE - the place YOU call *the bog of eternal stench* you suddenly discover some respectability during your mouse click from there to here?


Please.  Some of us aren't as stupid as you think we are.


You're becoming quite a bore.  You and your friends stated you don't want us on your board, but you're not happy unless you're picking a fight.  You and your *gang* told us to leave and not to post on *your* board.  Maybe that should work both ways.


Out of ALL the problems with radical Conservatives, maybe the most annoying thing is that you don't believe in equality at all.  You believe in SUPERIORITY.  Somewhere along the line, someone made you think you were special and above everyone else.  Sheesh!  You're not happy unless you're dictating to everyone else in the country what they're allowed to do in their own personal lives regarding life, death, science, etc. You even think YOUR GOD IS BETTER than everyone else's.


You want to make the rules, censor people and tell them which boards they can and cannot post on, but YOU want to invade them all and spew your ignorance and hatred. 


In my heart, I believe there are sincere, honest, intelligent Conservatives out there who are capable of a sensible debate.  I've seen them.  (I hope you don't chase them away, too.)  But and your crew don't fall in that category, and this will be the last of your inane posts I will subject myself to.


Talk about stench. Just read your very own posts.


Can we bring the board back to the true reason for the board

Can we get the political board back to the true purpose of this board – to share opinions of why we like our candidate.  Not bash and cut down others because they don’t agree with you.


I stayed away from this board for the past couple days because anyone who had anything positive to say about Sarah Palin got slammed, bashed, kicked down, etc.  After awhile I found it all too draining, and was not seeing any reason to come.  Yes, I did see some of it towards people who favored Barack Obama, but if you read the posts again it is mostly towards anyone who favored Sarah Palin/John McCain.


I thought the political board was for posting information regarding politics and candidates.  What I have seen for the past few days is that it has been an attack board.  Especially if you have anything positive you want to share about Sarah Palin.  You say something good about her and you get attacked, you answer back, and you get attacked more, and then when you get mad and pretty much say stop attacking me, they come back with this “Geez, I’m allowed to have an opinion”.


Another thing I am tired of seeing is the slanderous, hate filled, really off the wall comments about Sarah Palin.  The latest was something about her daughter actually had her baby.  Talk about just bizarre comments.  I thought what’s next, she’s an alien from another planet?  The more I kept reading the more the comments were getting just really weird and bizarre.  Of course nobody ever having any proof of any of these allegations.  I then came to realize that the posters were just trying to get a fight going.


I also saw posts that had nothing to do with politics but attacking a poster named Sam.  Again, probably trying to get another fight going for no good reason and on things that have nothing to do whatsoever with politics.  I’ve read “Sam is like an annoying nat that you sway away”, “Sam, please let me know where you work” or “she must have her quota” or “sam is to the politics board as oracle is to the”  This childish rhetoric is getting old.  I’m not defending sam she is a big girl and I can see by her posts she can take care of herself, but my point is that this has nothing to do with politics.  If you want a fight maybe you could request that the administrator create a separate “fight and degrade” section.


I’ve read the administrators post a couple different times called Beware of Flaming.  She/he said as long as we realize that not everyone is going to agree we shouldn’t wear our feelings on our sleeves and a little more oversight on here would be good.  Let people express his or her opinion and move on.  If you don’t like someone just ignore that person. “It’s not rocket science, you know” (I liked that statement)


I consider posting on this board a privilege and not a right.  If you don’t agree with something and you post that you don’t agree and state the facts why (and are civilized about it) that’s one thing, but when you bash and degrade others without showing proof and just want to start fights and belittle others it just seems a bit juvenile to me.


I come to the politics board to hear ideas and stuff (facts) about the candidates.  That is how I’m learning about each one, but I don’t want to read people attack other posters for no good reason.  I'd like to hear about Obama/Biden & McCain/Palin, but I want to hear facts.


If you like to fight so much why don’t you pick on people that you can fight to face to face. 


Finally, a man with a plan. That's what I'm talking about.

End of 2006?
On Monday, Iraqi Interior Minister Bayan Jabr suggested U.S.-led forces should be able to leave Iraq by the end of next year, saying the one-year extension of the mandate for the multinational force in Iraq by the U.N. Security Council this month could be the last.


“By the middle of next year we will be 75 percent done in building our forces and by the end of next year it will be fully ready,” he told the Arab satellite station Al-Jazeera.


Ahhh...okay...I finally figured out who you really are....
and now this makes sense. You hide behind different monikers and pitch a fit and attack posters personally because you are incapable of handling disagreement. Frankly, I am not insisting anyone play with me. That, again, had nothing to do with any liberal poster other than you...and I likened you to a spoiled child, which is obvious from your actions...hardly name calling. My original post, after which you went off on me for no good reason, merely stated I was going to respect what two of the posters here were complaining about, that they did not want conservatives coming here and *making* them defend their positions because they were good people and knew they were right. I said I would respect that and just read, although I did not really understand why someone secure in their view would mind presenting it while also respecting the right of someone to disagree. Yes, that is definitely extending an olive branch. There is no need to fight and there is certainly no need to make it personal like fighting kids in a schoolyard. And, typically, under whatever moniker you use, you swoop in with the snide personal attacks. I guess you just can't help yourself.

I said I used to enjoy coming to this board because there were liberals who posted here who WERE secure in their beliefs and did not mind a lively debate at all. We did not always agree, but in some cases we did, and we respected each other's opinions. And you know that, because when you took time out from personally attacking me and every other conservative who came to this board, I am sure you read some of those posts. Yes, I know you are going to deny that I know you...but I know you. You stand out, believe me, because even if you change your moniker, your style of posting gives you away. It is always *us* and *we* like you are speaking for every liberal who comes to this board. You just gotta be you, I guess. Well, if it makes you feel better to attack me, have at it. Knock yourself out. Enjoy!
Yes! Finally I feel someone who represents me!
An intelligent, working mom, including a special needs child (which I also have). She truly does bring change and hope, and I am so proud of the Republican party today. I just brought my 8-year-old daughter over to the television and showed her and told her, be especially proud of being a girl today. You truly can do anything.
It won't really matter. Just having that hick finally
He's been a major embarrassment to the U.S. for the last 8 miserable years. You could elect Donald Duck and he'd bring a lot more credibility to the office of President of the United States than Dubya ever did on his best day. (Not that he ever HAD a best day....)
Finally - a decent interview
I caught the interview with Sarah Palin tonight.  Part 2 is on tomorrow.  I thought finally!  Someone treating her with respect.  The interview with Gibson last week was definitely a set up (been in the military and I know about investigations and such, and how to make people "uneasy").  As much as I cannot stand Hannity I have to say the interview was very respecful and not condescending.  He asked her decent questions and asked her to explain herself on some issues which she did.  When it comes to economics, energy and other issues she shows the wisdom and intelligence to understand what is happening and what needs to be done to get the problems fixed.  There was no doubt in my mind by the end of the interview she will be one of the best VPs and I have confidence enough that if something happens to JM she will do just fine.  However, JM's family lives to be quite a ripe old age so am sure he will be around for many more years to come.  I'm just glad there was finally a fair interview.  Asked her tough questions, had her explain her viewpoints and treated her with the respect she deserved.  Can't wait to see the rest of it tomorrow.  She'll be talking about how she has been treated by the media among other things.
mcClain finally sinks it

New issue of an obscure accountant's magazine with an article written by mcclain recently released. He states that he is proud of his role in deregulating the financial sector and was looking forward to deregulating health care industry.  Glub, glub, glub, down the toilet he goes.  Hoisted by his own petard.


 


Finally found someone I agree with 100% s/m

Michael Moore on Larry King.  A couple of the most striking things he said about Palin:  Would you turn the keys to your house over to someone you've known for 7 weeks?  How about dropping your kids off with someone you've known for 7 weeks while you go on vacation?  Another huge AMEN when he said Obama isn't running against McCain, he's running against ignorance.


I am well aware that Moore is a Democrat although, like me, he said he has problems with some of Obama's plans. 


Of course the Pubs were given rebuttal time and what's the first thing they did?  Attack Moore for blaming the pubs for the Wall-Street bailout.  Said, "Obama and Biden voted for it."  Bless Larry's heart, he said, "Why did you leave McCain out, he voted for it too."  Started with some cockamaney reason why Obama and Biden's vote was bad but McCain had it right.  I turned the TV off in disgust.


Right now I would vote for Michael Moore for president.  I'm sure the dems would get him a haircut and a shave and put him in a suit and he'd do just fine.


Good night all.


Did you finally emerge from your coma?
none of them can be found, except that 2006 Fox article. You might want to read up on SUBSEQUENT WMD findings. The official findings of the govt reports would be a pretty good place to start.
THANK YOU!! Finally, a voice of reason!
My head has been spinning so much over the abc comment about not starting to live until after the fourth month, or whatever it was she said, that I was just too baffled to address this. And then going on in another post about a life is a life when talking about a frog and a ferret . . . apparently totally missing the point of that post.

I believe, however, that a lot of abortions occur because the male involved does not want a child. I am not sticking up, necessarily, for the females who still have this done, but, IMHO, we STILL live in a male-dominated world and that is a huge reason for why this has become legal. I think that oftentimes it is young, scared GIRLS who subject themselves and their fetuses to this, in order to please their "man". I think that in many cases, if the female in question felt that she would have support, either from the father or from her family, she might make a different choice. Not excusing it, just saying . . . IMHO. Heck, I've seen it, and more than once.
Yeah, and they finally got rid of Beck,
longer Lou lasts on CNN. He is the only one left there who reports with his eyes open.
They're finally waking up...

USS Cole victim's mother refuses to meet with Obama.............she is shocked and said she made the wrong choice in voting for Obama.    LOVE IT!  Hate she has lost her son like so many others, but she is finally realizing this guy is a butt kisser.  These terrorists killed her son and unfortunately it took this to wake some of them up.  Now that he is so worried about torturing terrorists and closing down Gitmo, they are finally waking up to the reality that is Obama. 


Obama is letting them drop charges against terrorists for this horrible sick crime..........yep, thank all of ya'll who put him in there!


Diane McDaniels is her name.........good for you mom!  She ain't drinking his Kool-aid NO MORE!


 


 


Good...maybe we can finally get an energy
policy that relieves us from OPEC, et.al., and save our 700B a year!  Will be tough but the tough will get going again.  We need to fix the railroads to transport goods economically rather than trucking everything.  Sorry to the truckers but we have to get smart again.
GOOD GRIEF! FINALLY!!!
Excellent post.  That's what I've been trying to say all along, but it's fallen on deaf ears.  Thanks for doing a better job than I could do.
OMG, finally a poster with a BRAIN, THANKS..NM
nm
From Scarborough Country. Finally, a Republican who is

spade a spade and not just blindly follow!  How refreshing.


SCARBOROUGH:  Now, today, President Bush again refused to answer questions about the White House CIA leak case.  But he did have this to say. 


(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)


GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:  I don‘t know all the facts.  I want to know all the facts.  The best place for facts to be done is by somebody who is spending time investigating it. 


I would like this to end as quickly as possible, so we know the facts.  And if someone committed a crime, they will no longer work in my administration. 


(END VIDEO CLIP)


SCARBOROUGH:  Ah, nuance.  I love nuance.  Before, it was, if somebody leaked this information, they are not going to work in the administration.  Now it has been elevated to, if somebody committed a crime, they are not going to work in our administration. 


Now, a far cry, obviously, from what the White House had to say back in September 2003.  Listen to what White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan had to say back then. 


(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)


SCOTT MCCLELLAN, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY:  If anyone in this administration was involved in it, they would no longer be in this administration. 


(END VIDEO CLIP)


SCARBOROUGH:  Big difference. 


With me now to talk about this boiling Washington summer scandal are Peter Beinart—he‘s the editor of “The New Republic”—and also Republican pollster Kellyanne Conway. 


Peter, I have got to start with you. 


You know, I have been saying all along that somebody lied to George Bush, because George Bush would not have gone out a year ago and said, hey, if somebody was involved in this leak, they wouldn‘t work in my administration, if he knew that Karl Rove was involved.  Now we‘re talking about obviously an indictment.  Does this mean the White House now understands they are going to have to backtrack?


PETER BEINART, EDITOR, “THE NEW REPUBLIC”:  They have already started backtracking. 


I mean, Scott McClellan said the idea that Karl Rove was involved with this was—quote, unquote—“ridiculous.”  Now, of course, it is undisputed that Karl Rove was involved in this.  That alone seems to me is reason for Scott McClellan, if he has any dignity at all left, to resign. 


(CROSSTALK)


SCARBOROUGH:  You think he should quit? 


BEINART:  Absolutely. 


(CROSSTALK)


KELLYANNE CONWAY, REPUBLICAN POLLSTER:  Why? 


BEINART:  Because once a press secretary loses all credibility by being lied to by his bosses and then lying to the press as a result, the only honorable thing to do is resign.  It‘s pretty well—it‘s pretty—because has no credibility left.  He is now basically a walking pinata.


SCARBOROUGH:  All right, Peter, let‘s talk about what we know.  Let‘s talk about what we do know, Peter. 


(CROSSTALK)


SCARBOROUGH:  We know that either Karl Rove or Scooter Libby or the president or somebody in the Cheney-wing of the White House lied to Scott McClellan.  Is that safe to say?  Somebody is lying here.


(CROSSTALK)


BEINART:  Yes.  Someone lied to him, because he would not have gone out and said it was ridiculous that Karl Rove was involved without someone telling him that. 


(CROSSTALK)


SCARBOROUGH:  Kellyanne, I will you the same way. 


(CROSSTALK)


CONWAY:  Sure.  There‘s no..


SCARBOROUGH:  I will ask you the same question. 


There is no way this guy would have gone out and made the statement that he made last year had he not been lied to, right? 


CONWAY:  There is no evidence that anybody lied to Scott.  And there is certainly no evidence that Karl Rove was a producer of any information. 


If anything, the two most recent news accounts about this issue suggest that Karl was the recipient of the information from a media source, not the producer of that information.  And, look...


SCARBOROUGH:  Well, he produced—he produced it to “TIME” magazine and Cooper, didn‘t he? 


CONWAY:  No.  There is no evidence of that.  In fact, when Joe Wilson himself testified before the..


SCARBOROUGH:  Where have I been?  CONWAY:  Pardon me?


SCARBOROUGH:  Where have I been?  I mean, I am sorry.  I thought I read the “TIME” magazine article.  I thought I saw Matt Cooper on “Meet the Press” this weekend saying that he got the information from Karl Rove. 


CONWAY:  And...


SCARBOROUGH:  I mean, was I—was it all a dream?  Was it like the last season of “Dallas”? 


CONWAY:  No, Joe, it wasn‘t. 


But that—again, when you are the subject of a grand jury investigate, as it is going on now, you are not allowed to discuss it.  So, Karl can‘t really defend himself. 


What other reports have suggested is that, perhaps, immediately, perhaps, hypothetically speaking, someone in the media called Karl and said, I have this information.  I am going to do a story about it. 


Now, letting it fly out there in the ether does not mean that Karl provided the information.  Nor does it mean that he corroborated, verified or encouraged it.  If anything, he may have tried to kill it on the—on the—with the inference that the person not go out and use inaccurate information. 


Now, let‘s remember what this information is about, serious stuff, that the vice president allegedly sent Joe Wilson over to Niger to check out the uranium story.  And then, when Joe—when Joe Wilson, the same guy, testifies to the Senate Select Intelligence Committee, he says, I may have used a little bit of literary flair, the same guy who poses in “Vanity Fair.”  This is not a credible person.


SCARBOROUGH:  Let me ask you this, Peter.  I want to bring this up.  The thing that I found very interesting—and, obviously, I respect Kellyanne and have for some time and agree with her a lot more than I disagree with her. 


But it seems, in this Karl Rove case—if we want to call it a scandal, we can call it a scandal—that if every time you start talking about Karl Rove, Republicans start talking about Joe Wilson.  Now, I think Joe Wilson is a liar.  I think he is a joke.  But it seems to me he is not relevant to this leak, is he?


BEINART:  No, he is not relevant at all. 


What Kelly is doing is repeating exactly the same talking points that every other Republican has been repeating all week. 


CONWAY:  That‘s not true.


BEINART:  And the point is, I happen to think Joe Wilson has a lot more credibility than Karl Rove.  But it is totally irrelevant. 


The question—even if you think that Joe Wilson is the biggest liar in Washington, it is absolutely sleazy to go after him by going after his wife.  That is not...


(CROSSTALK)


CONWAY:  Who is going after his wife? 


(CROSSTALK)


BEINART:  The people who went out and said, who said that his wife is a covert operative for the CIA, which got the CIA so upset that they asked the Justice Department to do an investigation, those people.


And is very likely those people are either Karl Rove, Lewis Libby, Ari Fleischer, or all of the above. 


CONWAY:  It is not very likely.  We don‘t know that.  You have to be careful. 


(CROSSTALK)


BEINART:  We don‘t know that.  Of course we don‘t know.


What we do know is that—is that there was a State Department memo which had this information.  We know that Fleischer was reading that memo. 


And we know that this information got to Robert Novak.  It is conceivable -yes, I will grant it is conceivable that, somehow, some reporter got it and spit it back to these guys in the administration.  But it is more likely that they got it from the State Department memo and then they fed it to Novak in an effort to discredit Wilson. 


(CROSSTALK)


SCARBOROUGH:  Kellyanne, let me ask you a question.


CONWAY:  Please.


SCARBOROUGH:  Kellyanne, let me ask you a question here.  I am just curious.  And I have been asking my Republican friends this question for the past couple weeks.  Let‘s say Bill Clinton‘s top political adviser had decided to reveal the identity of a CIA agent to a reporter from “TIME” magazine to get back at that person‘s spouse?  What would you be saying?  What would Republicans be saying about Bill Clinton and Bill Clinton‘s top political adviser? 


Let‘s just assume...


CONWAY:  Right. 


SCARBOROUGH:  ... that what everybody in Washington knows is actually the case, that this was passed on from Karl Rove to Matt Cooper at “TIME” magazine.  What would you say if the Clinton administration had engaged in this type of activity?


CONWAY:  I would say exactly what I said when the Clinton administration was engaged in far worse, something called Whitewater, which Peter was against investigating, even though people...


(CROSSTALK)


SCARBOROUGH:  I am not talking about—I am not talking about Whitewater.


(CROSSTALK)


SCARBOROUGH:  I‘m talking about the outing of a CIA agent in a time of war.  That is all I‘m asking.


CONWAY:  Right. 


SCARBOROUGH:  What would you say if they did that?


CONWAY:  And my answer is what it was then, which is that I respect the rule of law enough to allow the investigatory process to work its way out. 


If we all respect the law as it is written and the investigatory process that is currently undergoing, Joe, then the facts will be known.  And the president will keep to his commitment that anyone who broke the law will be out of there, including—anybody.


SCARBOROUGH:  Well, that is a different commitment from what we heard in the fall. 


(CROSSTALK)


CONWAY:  Pardon me?  No, it is a commitment.  But, guys...


(CROSSTALK)


SCARBOROUGH:  The commitment that was made before was anybody that revealed the identity of a CIA agent would be fired. 


Peter, I want to ask you this question in closing. 


And, Kellyanne, I love you, just like I love Peter. 


(CROSSTALK)


SCARBOROUGH:  I am not beating up anybody tonight. 


CONWAY:  Joe, Karl beat the Democrats twice now, though,  Karl has beaten the Democrats black and blue in two presidential elections.


SCARBOROUGH:  It is irrelevant.  I don‘t care.


(CROSSTALK)


CONWAY:  They want him out of Washington.


(CROSSTALK)


SCARBOROUGH:  It‘s irrelevant.


The bottom line is that a CIA agent has been outed.  I don‘t care whether a Republican did it. 


CONWAY:  She posed in “Vanity Fair.‘


SCARBOROUGH:  I don‘t care if a Democrat did it. 


(CROSSTALK)


SCARBOROUGH:  She went to “Vanity Fair.”  And, again, I think Joe Wilson and his wife are shameless.  But they did that after they were already revealed. 


(CROSSTALK)


SCARBOROUGH:  So, I just—again, I don‘t like—I think Joe Wilson is a joke.  The fact that this guy lied about just about everything involved in his African trip and then wrote a book called “The Politics of Truth” is shameless. 


But he is irrelevant.  His wife is irrelevant. 


Peter Beinart, final question to you. 


Now that I have preached, the question is this.  Is somebody going to jail over this?  Is somebody going to be indicted? 


BEINART:  I think it is—I would say the chances of someone being indicted are a bit better than 50-50.  The chance of someone going to jail I think are relatively low.  I would say less than one in four.  That is my guess. 


SCARBOROUGH:  All right.  I will play McLaughlin here.  Wrong! 


(LAUGHTER)


SCARBOROUGH:  Nobody is going to jail.


(CROSSTALK)


SCARBOROUGH:  Karl Rove is keeping his job.  Nobody in America cares. 


But I do. 


Thanks a lot, Peter Beinart.  Greatly appreciate it. 


Kellyanne, thank you so much for being patient with me tonight.


We will be right back in a second in SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY. 


 


letter to congress/Im back finally
Hi all..finally home. Been a rough month. However, I have to say I think this letter is great and needs to go to every member of congress if it hasnt already.
Update: Pat's finally being held accountable

for his hateful words.  Israel now refuses to do business with him because of his bizarre remarks about Sharon. Needless to say, I was very happy to see this.






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Israel pulls plug on Pat Robertson deal
Officials angry over evangelical leader's comments about Sharon's stroke


The Associated Press

Updated: 8:14 a.m. ET Jan. 11, 2006



JERUSALEM - Israel won't do business with Pat Robertson after the evangelical leader suggested Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's massive stroke was divine punishment, a tourism official said Wednesday, putting into doubt plans to develop a large Christian tourism center in northern Israel.


Avi Hartuv, spokesman for Israel's tourism minister, said officials are furious with Robertson's suggestion that the stroke was retribution for Sharon's withdrawal from the Gaza Strip last summer. We can't accept this kind of statement, Hartuv said.


Robertson is leading a group of evangelicals who have pledged to raise $50 million to build the Christian Heritage Center in Israel's northern Galilee region, where tradition says Jesus lived and taught.


Under a tentative agreement, Robertson's group was to put up the funding, while Israel would provide land and infrastructure. Israeli officials believe the project will generate tens of millions of tourism dollars.


But the project now is in question in light of Robertson's comments, said Hartuv.


We will not do business with him, only with other evangelicals who don't back these comments, Hartuv said. We will do business with other evangelical leaders, friends of Israel, but not with him.


A day after Sharon's stroke on Jan. 4, Robertson suggested the prime minister was being punished for dividing God's land, a reference to the August pullout from the Gaza Strip and four West Bank settlements.


God considers this land to be his, Robertson said on his TV program The 700 Club. You read the Bible and he says 'This is my land,' and for any prime minister of Israel who decides he is going to carve it up and give it away, God says, 'No, this is mine.'


Robertson's comments also drew condemnation from other Christian leaders and even U.S. President George W. Bush.


The ministry's decision was first reported in Wednesday's edition of The Jerusalem Post.


Christian center planned near Galilee
Robertson's Christian Heritage Center was to be tucked away in 35 acres of rolling Galilee hills, near key Christian sites such as Capernaum, the Mount of the Beatitudes, where tradition says Jesus delivered the Sermon of the Mount, and Tabgha -- on the shores of the Sea of Galilee -- where Christians believe Jesus performed the miracle of the loaves and fish.


The project underlines how ties have strengthened in recent years between Israel and evangelical Christian groups that support the Jewish state.


Israel was considering leasing the land to the Christians for free. Tourism Minister Avraham Hirschson predicted it would annually draw up to 1 million pilgrims who would spend $1.5 billion in Israel and support about 40,000 jobs.


Hirschson, however, is one of Sharon's biggest supporters, and a member of the centrist Kadima party recently founded by the prime minister.


Hartuv left the door open to continuing the project, but only with people who don't back Robertson's statements.


We want to see who in the group supports his (Robertson's) statements. Those who support the statements cannot do business with us. Those that publicly support Ariel Sharon's recovery ... are welcome to do business with us, Hartuv said. We have to check this very, very carefully.


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Finally, a party that will put a woman in power
So happy right now
Finally a compliment for our Sarah! Yes, she is brilliant....
glad one of you finally noticed!!!!!

Yeah, yeah, I know you were being saracastic, but hey.....when you're right, I will admit it.

Sarah Palin is brilliant, make no mistake. She's smarter than you are. She's smarter than the left media.

Darn right, stroke of brilliance for the lady.
I hope you do have your own business and will finally have to pay your share!
What is fair is fair! Oh, by the way...Boo!
No, what happens if you finally realize you made a mistake. nm
x
So, McC finally agreed to interview with Keith O?
In the final stretch, it would make sense to me that either candidate would want to surround himself with as much positive energy as possible. It's a campaign and I don't believe it says anything about fairness, being open-minded, a candidate's intent or ability to reach across the aisle or capacity for compromise where it counts...after the election.
Bridger, I have finally recognized your problem!

DailyKos. Garbage in, garbage ou. 


 


Your on the wrong board - you need to preach on the faith board
You just delivered a sermon (or quote). Either way it doesn't belong here. What does this have to do with politics. The democrat and republican party did not start up until after the 1800s. Socialism also wasn't created until the 1800s.

To me your post describes the way humans should treat other humans. This has nothing to do with politics - imho.

Because you posted on the Main board not Politics board.
It was removed, as we do not have an option of moving from Main to Politics.

This could have easily been avoided had you posted on the correct board.

The response from another poster to not post political viewpoints on this board was becuase you posted it on the Main board.
Thanks, Americans who are finally waking up from the Bush kool-aid














Apathy Conquered, Thanks To Sheehan


Cindy Sheehan will go down in history as the woman who, in a determined yet soft-spoken, dignified manner, stoked the fires of debate and made them hotter.
Uneasiness often results in mere apathy.
But to bring similar factions together to speak with one voice requires an icon to lead, and Sheehan has become that
With both sides of the Iraq issue now embroiled in debate, the United States cannot help but benefit, for overall, it is the people who are taking sides and ordering their political employees to act, not the other way around.
For too long, Americans have withered into complacency, which is a breeding ground for imperialism.
They now realize that one person can make a difference.
They are speaking on the sidewalks; they are speaking in coffeehouses. They are discussing politics in their homes.
They are identifying problems that, prior to the bold and courageous actions of Cindy Sheehan, they felt they could not change.
They now know differently.
They want their President, their Congressmen, and their Senators to come clean.
They want to know why gasoline prices continue to skyrocket.
They want to know why President Bush lied about going to war with Iraq.
They want to know why the Federal government continues to eat away at the dignity of the Constitution.
They want to know why the environment is being shortchanged.
They want to know why lawmakers are spending the Social Security trust fund.
They want to know why the rich are getting richer and the poor poorer.
They are tired of being lied to.
They know, thanks to Cindy Sheehan, that the time has come for America to get back on track and for light to again shine on the so-called American dream.
Now that more than 60 percent of the American people want an end to the war in Iraq, what will our leaders in Washington do? Abide by the will of their employers or continue to hawk our rights to their own special interests?
That is where we are.
Where we go depends upon you.


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