Lying about a 16-year-old...less impressive.
Posted By: sam on 2008-09-01
In Reply to: Being forced to own up. Not impressive. - Putting her political ambitions above Bristol. In
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And yet you just keep lying and lying and lying. Not too bright.
Wow, impressive.. NOT
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That's even more impressive
So why did McCain's people call Obama's people if they think he is a "terrorist?" 
Wow! Thanks, that's impressive...
Now that's a great link, I put it into my 'Favorites'!
Very impressive post! (sm)
I am being very serious when I say that I really enjoyed reading your post. It was very well thought out and well written. Excellent thoughts and ideas for problem solving. Seriously, maybe you should run for office (I am not being sarcastic). We definitely need more intelligence in the government and someone to somehow stop all the wasteful spending.
Great post  Thank you 
Wow. This is impressive. I agree.
You most certainly did do you homework. I am saving this post because I find these talking points extremely interesting and useful. This is a highly informative and painstakingly thorough analysis. Loved the part about the pastors. Some of my favorites among your observations are what would happen in other countries if McCain were elected, 1st amendment rights, "unpatriotic" accusations, the "competent" Bush, the unbelievable stance on torture from a former POW, his lack of support among his fellow senators, temper issues, the profanity and lack self control behaviors, vicious comments about the Clintons, the gloating, jumping up and down in anger, the slugging gestures and slamming his fists on the table (shades of Krushchev…he needs a shoe) and the very sobering point you make about being in control of nuclear weapons.
I had lunch with a missionary friend of mine yesterday and we were discussing the election and our impressions of the Saddleback civil forum. As a pro-life Christian, she finds herself uncomfortable and conflicted by her candidate choices. She is feeling forced to place one of her most focal priority issues (abortion) on the back burner for reasons I found interesting and surprising.
She does a lot of outreach work dealing with poverty, literacy, AIDS, legal assistance to illegal immigrants seeking legitimate status and political refugee orientation to US life while in exile from their country. Her past ministries/missions have taken her all over the world, mainly to most of the Soviet bloc countries, Turkey, Tibet, Mozambique and China, places she lived for various numbers of years. Her current special interest is in the plight of Moslem converts to Christianity who are living under one of the Islamic regimes in the Middle East. She is preparing to go there to live as part of her "calling." She is an amazing, compassionate, giving and courageous American lady who I am fortunate to know.
Her conflict arises out of her tendency to favor the democratic platform in view of her life experiences versus the abortion policy. The most interesting thing she said about this was how offended she is by the way Bush represents himself as an evangelical Christian while engaging in mass murders in Iraq, all the while professing how saved he is and how Jesus is his favorite philosopher, putting himself out there as a mouthpiece for Christians. I am going to forward this post to her and am fascinated by the insight she will have to offer in response to the issues you have raised.
I really would appreciate it if you could cite some of your sources. Clearly, you did not find some of this stuff in the mainstream media...or am I just looking in the wrong places? You could post an email response if you want to keep the attack dogs at bay….I know I would. So far, their silence is deafening in their lack of response to this excellent article. Thank you so much. You made my day.
Being forced to own up. Not impressive.
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The percentage I saw was not all that impressive...
considering his income, and for someone who so wants to spread the wealth. I understand that you are not concerned nor alarmed by him. That's fine. To each his own. But I am concerned and alarmed. I guess we leave it at that.
Or maybe she's LYING! sm
That's what the Dems always say when someone makes a mistake. So she MUST be LYING!
Well of course I am lying! SM
You have accused everyone on the conservative board of being a liar, at least 50 times. The posts are gone and you know it. They were removed and you said she was old and sick and would die soon and burn in hell. I remember it well. You should be so proud of that. And you call us nasty. Sorry, I can't match that one. And wouldn't want to. You have your board back. Discuss the important issues of the day, as you NEVER EVER DO on this board. Buh bye!
K, if you say so but you might be lying. ;) nm
Sorry, I think you are lying. nm
I did not say anyone was lying...
the American Indians that is. I don't know how one could get an education claiming to be an American Indian when he is not. One only has to have 1/16 blood to qualify but it has to be proved. You can't just walk in there and say I'm and Indian, give me some money or put an X in the little box Other. I am only defending his accuracy in the 2 books I have read and I was trying to inform on the complexities of ***being an Indian*** in the tribal eyes, in the eyes of the state, in the eyes of grants, funding, etc.
Don't know if she was lying or not. SM
But I have lots of relatives on the West Coast from Oregon on down through Washington and California. We talk about gas prices all the time so it just didn't sound right to me. I like to keep things real.
lying in office
It was a personal matter between he and his wife and Monica. He only lied when the govt tried to pry into his private life. It had nothing to do with national security, and since he was impeached for lying, Im just waiting for Bush to get impeached or Rove to be fired for lying about giving out the name of Valerie Plame to reporters to out her. If there is gonna be a standard about lying while in office, it should work for this administration too. One saving grace on that, the prosecutor, Fitzgerald, seems like a tough guy who does not take sides but finds out the truth.
Nobody justifies lying like the Right.
And you know it's true. That is one major difference between the right and left. The right acts like schoolyard children saying nyah nyah, can't prove it can't prove it! My mom's the principal! So you just shut up!
Meanwhile on the left, frowns all around for whoever is caught being a sneak and a liar, and nobody defends the liar - we admit lying is a bad thing and nobody should do it, and if they lie they should be punished. Progressives will turn against any politician who shames him/herself by lying - they may feel bad for the person and even still like the person, but hey, if you did wrong, you should come clean and accept your reprisals, or you don't represent us anymore.
The Wrong Right on the other hand would DIE to a member before admitting wrongdoing,admitting lies, or even admitting they or their leaders COULD be wrong. It's not a wrong/right issue with them - nothing is, and that's why nobody believes their outrage over Clinton was moral. It was simply vindictive and hateful toward the man, not any reasonable objection to any true harm that he caused. Now your spokespeople are advocating the assassination of (democratically elected!) foreign leaders. Outrage anyone? People of truly moral character certainly are outraged. Still waiting to hear a peep from the Wrong Right.
NO THANKS. Just more lying SUITS.
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If you want to go into lying....Your #2 guy...we KNOW he is a liar...
so what is the difference? It is on tape and video that he said he would be proud to be on a ticket with John McCain. Certainly not the story he is telling now, is it? So he was lying then or he is lying now. Either way...he's a liar.
Farmer is lying to you.....
That is the number one excuse given by employers when their hiring of illegals became so prevalent that everyone was noticing their jobs were going away.
What else were they going to say.....I just wanted to hire illegals because they work for less than minimum wage, I don't pay taxes on them, and they won't report me because they're illegal!!?
Not to mention the Workers Comp break they get. An illegal gets hurt and they just go to the free care clinic, get treated, and walk away.....or to the local ER where they get treatment and I end up paying for it because they have no insurance....heck, they don't have to produce anything yet ANYONE else has to start pulling out their SS#, drivers license, or SOMETHING to prove they are who they say they are......
what a crock!!!!!!!!
And hopefully neither will lying crooks
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He stammers because he's lying....ya know,
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How you figure? She WAS lying
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Curious about lying
I am curious what you think caused you to lie all the time. How did you feel about it when you were doing it? Did you lie about things you knew people would find out weren't true?
I am just curious, as I have known a few people with that problem, and I could never figure it out. I would often end up not believing them when they were telling the truth and believing lies since everything had a 50/50 chance of being factual. It' was so frustrating and keeps a person from being able to be a real friend to them.
for 'm': You lying message...s/m
Of course not..........
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Posted By: m on 2008-11-22
In Reply to: M, did u write the post Vie is referring to? - shelly
She's just on a witch hunt like someone else said.
I DID NOT START THIS, THE LYING 'M' DID..n/m
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So, if he is outright lying about the BC, that is okay
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And he ADMITTED to lying.
I wonder if he'll get demerits for doing the unthinkable: telling the truth!
And he ADMITTED to lying.
I wonder if he'll get demerits from the GOP for doing the unthinkable: telling the truth!
Lying under oath is just that.
Lying under oath. There are no exceptions to this rule regardless of whether Bill's action on the side was our business or not. If he was so worried about protecting his daughter, he should have kept his pecker in his pants and away from Monica's mouth. He lied under oath...period.
If you are stating that he is lying, then
Yes, I did read the whole post. You wrote I'm more concerned about **the lying**, not **I would be concerned if I found out he was lying** or something along those lines. **The lying** -- again, WHAT lying?
I think she's lying through her eyebrows.
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Gore lying
I am not an AL Gore fan but I am wondering what indicates he lied?
He lost the election of 2000 and was critical in 2002. Please (and I do mean this politely) what I am missing.
No, that's not it.........it's called lying, like so many others
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What exactly does this have to do with lying on chat boards. nm
Limbaugh needs to stop lying
Limbaugh runs away from Limbaugh (Keith Olbermann)
NEW YORK - There is nothing wrong with an unpopular opinion.
Nor is there anything wrong with a subversive one, nor a crazy one. This country was founded on opinions that were deemed by the powers-that-were to be unpopular, subversive, and crazy. Dissent - even when that dissent strays from logic or humanity - is our life’s blood. But if you have one of those opinions, and you express it in public, honesty and self-respect require you to own up to it.
Unless you’re Rush Limbaugh.
On his daily radio soap opera, on August 15, Limbaugh said “Cindy Sheehan is just Bill Burkett. Her story is nothing more than forged documents, there's nothing about it that's real…” The complete transcript of the 860 words that surround those quotes can be found at the bottom of this entry.
Yet, apparently there was something so unpopular, so subversive, and so crazy about those remarks that he has found it necessary to deny he said them - even when there are recordings and transcripts of them - and to brand those who’ve claimed he said them as crackpots and distorters. More over, that amazing temple to himself, his website, has been scrubbed clean of all evidence of these particular remarks, and to ‘prove’ his claim that he never made the remarks in question on August 15, he has misdirected visitors to that site to transcripts and recordings of remarks he made on August 12.
Limbaugh is terrified. And he has reason to be.
Understand this about Limbaugh. He doesn’t believe half the junk he spouts. I’ve met him, and had pleasant enough conversations with him, twice - at the 1980 World Series when he was still a mid-level baseball flunky with a funny name, and once in the mid ‘90s at ESPN when he was just beginning his campaign to get a toehold there. He is a quiet, almost colorless man who, if he could be guaranteed similar success in sportscasting, would sell out the sheep who follow his every word - and would do it before close of business today.
But with that ESPN bid having gone up in flames just under two years ago, and sports forever closed off to him, he’s gotten into what the novelist Robert Graves called a “Golden Predicament” - overwhelming success in a field he really had no intention of pursuing - and he has to keep churning this stuff out every day. And when you’re just free associating to kill time and keep the ditto-heads happy, you sometimes drive right off the end of the pier.
Like on August 15th.
Since we declared Limbaugh “The Worst Person In The World” two nights later for the remarks about Sheehan, he has had the transcript of his pier-drive expunged (even though he initially thought so much of it, that it was posted as a “featured quote” for paying subscribers to his website). Simultaneously, the hapless Brent Bozell, who runs that scam called The Media Research Center, declared that I was guilty of “distortion” in quoting the Sheehan remarks.
Well, as you’ll see below, the only distortion here, is that which lingers in Limbaugh’s ears. His remarks about Sheehan were so embraced by at least one of his fans that they were preserved on another website, and we can present them in full here. You will notice that nothing has been taken out of context, nothing in the minutes before nor the minutes afterwards mitigates against the utter callousness and infamy of his comments about Sheehan.
A reminder that that’s Cindy Sheehan, Gold Star Mother, who when I asked her bluntly if President Bush wasn’t serving her purposes more by not seeing her, was honest enough to answer “yes” without hesitation. And it’s Rush Limbaugh, who so believes in his case against her that he’s too afraid to admit he said this (and who, by the way, has since said of her that, "I'm weary of even having to express sympathy... we all lose things” - as if her son had been a misplaced, er, prescription).
The long preface concluded, here is what Rush Limbaugh said, crazily weaving in and out of the topic of Cindy Sheehan, in his broadcast of August 15. He even wanders back into football, and the very topic that proved his end at ESPN, Donovan McNabb of the Philadelphia Eagles (honestly, if he ever wanted to be analyzed, he would be such a juicy case that psychiatrists would bid for Limbaugh’s rights). So, as you get deeper into the thicket, you can find the relevant portions about Sheehan, I’ve italicized them. Limbaugh had wandered into this via the news of the withdrawal of the anti-John Roberts advertisement from NARAL:
“They pulled this ad because it wasn't working. They didn't pull this ad because of a bite of conscience or, ooh, this is wrong. And their mistake was they're telling themselves they came out of the barn too soon with it. If they'd have come out of this say a week before September 6th. Well, stop and think about it. If they would have run this ad, if this would have started a week before September 6th, CNN carrying it, and none of the Democrats denouncing it, and without a whole lot of time to gin up, it would have probably had more effect. So I think they're going to learn from this that they didn't keep their powder dry, they just were too eager.
“But the fact that they are too eager -- I mean, Cindy Sheehan is just Bill Burkett. Her story is nothing more than forged documents, there's nothing about it that's real, including the mainstream media's glomming onto it, it's not real. It's nothing more than an attempt, it's the latest effort made by the coordinated left. And all of these efforts are bombing; they're all failing miserably, in and of themselves.
“Now, this is not to say that all is rosy. I don't want you to misunderstand. But I don't get that worked up about it. I have an attitude about it. I've been sharing this with you for the longest time. So I think we're in a new era. The left doesn't get away with this stuff anymore. They're not getting away with it now. I know it's irritating, I know it's frustrating, I know it makes you mad, does me, too, but it's not helpful to the people who are doing this, it is not assisting them.
“They are going to try to claim that Cindy Sheehan is responsible for the Bush poll numbers on Iraq being down, but those numbers were falling before Cindy Sheehan did this. I'm not saying the mainstream press isn't effective in certain areas anymore, I'm not saying the mainstream press doesn't have the ability to shape opinion. Just saying on this, this is not the thing everybody should be worried about. I don't have one in my mind that is, something everybody ought to be worried about, but if you're going to be angry at this, and I understand the anger, and I share some of it, too, the anger here, to me, is how the left and the media are trying to make this bigger than it is.
“But that still takes me back to the fact that they know they're losing, they know they're losing big time. These people are throwing it up against the wall. It's the fourth quarter and all they're doing is throwing long bombs and their quarterback's gotten too tired to finish the game and their wide receiver is out there making all kinds of disparaging comments about the quarterback and getting kicked out of camp.
“The situation with the Philadelphia Eagles pretty much dovetails what's going on with the Democratic Party right now if you ask me. It does. I don't think that we're looking at people who have a posture of confidence. This is not the kind of thing that winners do. It's all done in total desperation, as is the mainstream press's ability to prop it up.
“What's she got? A hundred stragglers have showed up down there, a hundred peaceniks, a hundred long-haired, maggot-infested, dope-smoking FM types, essentially, are down there joining her. And if this were genuine, if this were like it was back in Vietnam -- remember, that's what they're trying to turn this into. They're just reliving the old halcyon days of the anti-war movement in the sixties. They would have had hundreds of thousands of people down there. They would have had mass marches. There would have been the need for riot cops outside Bush's ranch down there. This is so obviously a desperation move.
“Now, I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for the woman. I think she's taken the grieving process here to lengths that most people don't, and she's being fueled by all of this attention. But this is just a long way of saying I'm not -- you can call about it and you can talk about it but I just am not that worked up about it because, to me, it's sort of like -- I got an e-mail today from a guy said, "Rush, why aren't you talking about that radio scandal going on?" Why should I talk about it? Why should I talk about that, folks? There's a cardinal rule, when your enemy is destroying themselves, you shut up and you get out of the way and let them do it. And it's happening in countless areas and times on the left. Certain things you do need to give a little nudge, other things you just get out of the way.
“But the longer the Sheehan thing goes on and the longer she's treated as some sort of super-celebrity by the press and the more outrageous things she says, trust me on this, the more people are going to get fed up with it. She's going to become the next Natalee Holloway before it's all said and done.”
E-mail:
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So lying is okay when it benefits your side
Okay. I see the picture developing. It was okay that Clinton lied, but just because you think Bush lied he should be impeached post haste. Just want to be sure I'm reading you right here.
I'm pretty sure is is 1006, but I might be lying.
We'll have to take your word for that. You might be lying. sm
I don't give to the Red Cross after they misappropriated all that money after 9/11.
Have only called the lying ones liars....
And that is really only a handful. There are some who post on the conservative board who may hold a different political philosophy than me, but they do not seem to be liars.
Why do you ask?
On behalf of our lying, deceptive and
disgraceful government, I would like to apologize to your nephews for putting their lives in danger for no verifiable reason, for the creation of a country full of terrorists due to America's invasion of Iraq, for the HELL that they must live through every minute of every hour of every day, and I would like to thank them both for their dedication and their exemplary service to their country, while apologizing for the fact that their inept commander-in-chief never had the character or ethics or courage required to walk in your nephews' HUGELY brave boots!
Please thank them for me and let them know that I pray they will return home to their families very soon, safe, in one piece, and healthy. Please also tell them there is a liberal out there who knows they are truly heroes and who deeply respects them and their service to their country.
I want to thank you and your family, as well, for your support of them and the sacrifices that you have made, as well.
Perjury - lying under oath - How is it that
Bush swearing on the Bible and breaking his oath to the American people is "no big deal." Generalities, don't have all night to type here. Just answering that Clinton lied about sex, but Bush took us into an absolutely unfounded war for no good reason, with no good intelligence, Cheney knew in 1994 what would follow an invasion into Iraq, an absolute disaster of foreign policy, so I cannot give Bush any respect. And I do agree that the Dems who voted to give Bush free reign should not be voted back into office, and for your information, I, for one, will not vote for Hilary for the aforementioned reason. Our country has changed immensely in the last six years with all of this policital strife, the hate that Bush has evoked here and around the world, and the shame he has commanded. My prayer is that he does absolutely nothing for the next year and couple of months. Wish the windshield cowboy would take a long drive back to Crawford.
I'd prefer someone less prone to lying.
Not saying that MO doesn't either. Just saying I would like the First Lady to be more truthful.
Will pray that he's lying now and proceeds to
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He's not lying about redistribution of wealth...
unfortunately. He is wholly committed to that one.
No, but you implied I was lying and kept hammering....
so YOU could celebrate a victory. I gave you what you wanted, and the subject changed. Yes, McCain has a refundable tax credit for health insurance. Is it aimed at a specific income group? No. Does it eliminate anyone's tax liability? No it doesn't. It isn't welfare.
Obama's refundable tax cut says specifically it will eliminate federal taxes for 10 million low income workers. People who heretofore WERE paying taxes, you have assured me repeatedly. Taxing "the rich" more to make up for that loss of revenue is marxist redistribution of wealth. There is nothing remotely like that in McCain's tax plan. It is basically welfare...giving a tax credit to eliminate taxes and making up the lost revenue by taxing others who make more.
You explain to me how that is NOT redistribution of wealth. He said it himself. Spreading the wealth. At least he IS honest about it.
The bottom line is that he's not lying about it. It's just
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He was arrested for LYING among other things, does it never stop?
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No danger there. No lying crooks are running.
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I guess you think lying to the American is good????
It sounds like you didn't even watch the debate. Mr. Slick lawyer could not squirm his way out of the issues. Redistribution of weath? Mr. Ayers? Mr. Resco? Socializing heath care? Claiming you are for tax breaks when you voted more often than not to increase taxes for the middle income? You think that was better. McCain did what McCain had to do. He needed to bring out the truth about Obama and what Obama is about and what he will do (destroy) to our country. Mr. Obama is not free from attacks. Guess you just think it's okay to lie and attack your opponent and McCain is supposed to have only nice and good things to say about Obama. If your waiting for the group hug I think you will be waiting a long time. The lies and not being truthful is what concerns most of us. Tonight we saw in McCain what we've all been wanting to see. That he is a fighter and he will fight for what is right for all of us and he doesn't care whose toes he steps on. Now if we can just get rid of the democratic congress and get this country on the road to being healed. Yes Bush has done a poor job, but just remember. The people who support and pay Bush and tell him what he is to say and do are the same exact names that are supporting and telling Obama what he will do. You want the same as Bush, then vote in Obama. I'm ready for a change for the better for our country. I'm ready to have a leader who believes so strongly in the American people and our way of life (freedom) he will take on whoever he needs to to fight for us. America does not need another slick lawyer in the office telling the American people he feels our pain and then shortly after he gets elected will raise our taxes just like Clinton did.
Once again - way to go John. Good job!!!!!!!
Lying through their teeth is not free speech and also
inciting riots is against the law. What is illegal is that they call themselves the news. They might be able to stay on air but with the removal of the word "news." Oh this is true. I'm privvy to some interesing facts.
disgusting, lying murdering war criminals are at it again.
"We're so sorry about those civilians." Killers of women, children and elders. Occupation, starvation and now massacre in one of the world's most densely populated areas. US and Israel are the only countries on the planet who think this disproportionate response is somehow justified. The most outrageous nation on the planet on the face of the earth, responsible for so much pain and suffering. Outrageous. Warped evil, brought to you by your tax dollars. Their blood is on all our hands. Flame away. I don't care.
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