Linda: Fair enough. sm
Posted By: In defense of JTBB on 2009-06-24
In Reply to: ok, the problem I have with your answer - linda
I did not even realize that I "tagged" into your post. I was just trying to defend someone who I have only witnessed being intelligent and trying to have vigorous discussions on very divisive subjects and MOST people on this forum do nothing but attack with derogatory comments instead of acting like rational adults. By all means, I do apologize, as I did not intend to direct my post to you personally, otherwise I would have quoted some of your comments had I found them to be as equally offensive and ugly, although it did seem to me that you were in agreement with the others' assessment of JTBB. Indeed, you seem to be one of those few "rational adults" and, again, please forgive my indignation towards those that are not.
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Linda, try again, I just got in.
That is weird.
You can't be serious, Linda.
This is one of the all-time most absurd posts I have seen on any forum. You win first prize hands down!
To Linda:
Please, PLEASE visit Snopes, and you will see that this whole thing is false, false, false!
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
Linda, since I did not refer to you by name sm
I can only assume that you are including yourself in the group to which I referred, but I do think that those people know who they are, so as the old saying goes "if the shoe fits". Personally, I don't feel any of your comments were hateful, so don't take it personally unless "the shoe fits".
Fair enough....notice especially the word FAIR. nm
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To Marmann, Linda and others - see information
Please, PLEASE do not always think snopes is correct. They have been wrong on many occasions. Just type in "has snopes ever been wrong" in Google and many links come up to show they have been wrong. Snopes is run by Barbara and David Mikkelson, a California couple who met through an folklore urban newsgroup. And there is no credible sources whatsoever on snopes to prove that this is false. And being from California who are huge Obama supporters...well how convenient they just happen to have this website and can put up information without credible sources and everyone believes them???
To others - If there was "nothing" to this story, Barack would not have been ordered by one of the supreme court justices to submit his original birth certificate which he never did. The phony birth certificate that the Annenberg foundation (P.S. the Annenberg foundation is a staunch supporter of Obama) claims is his birth certificate has too many flaws on it.
I know a lot of Obama supporters are trying to push this under the carpet and pretend it never happened and try to debunk anyone trying to search for the truth.
The truth is that the actual birth certificate was never submitted. And like one of the posters said below "Obama has not shown it. He does not have it and the hospital has no record of birth certificate" the copy they have I do believe will prove he was born in Kenya. If he had it and it was valid he would show it, not have it legally hidden away so that NOBODY can view it. Brother! Talk about sending out red flags. Anyone with any sense can see there is something very wrong with this. If he was legal he would have shown the real certificate a long time ago and proved the "so called rumors" to be false. But because he hasn't anyone with any sense has got to wonder why. Why isn't he showing the true certificate? Why did the DNC give him a pass without checking it out? Who is backing him? Why was he legally allowed to secure the certificate? Too many why's.
But to have the supreme court involved. They don't take "bogus" cases, so there must be something valid to the claim that it will show he was born in Kenya to an American woman and African father and became an Indonesia citizen (and we don't know if he ever applied for US Citizenship).
We will soon find out (I hope). If he does not provide proof then everything he does as a president will mean nothing because it will all be invalid.
Linda C. - -- stop emailing me personally with posts...sm
You need to read my post again. I said....a person that commented on Obama's video...a person commenting on the Youtube site....said a nasty word about a different poster....I in no way said that Obama said that word.......you really need to read what people say before you reply.....
And STOP emailing me personally. It's a shame you accuse me of saying something false here, when you didn't even take the time to fully comprehend what I posted.
Linda's comment emailed to me:
This is probably the way things get started, falsely that is. I have watched the youtube you were speaking of and where in the world did he supposedly say something that was x-rated? It is a shame that any and all that people try to say about him just does not work, your's being 1 of those. Linda
I agree, Linda...time will tell. Polls kinda take a pulse...
they can change so quickly.
As far as Hillary supporters, the hard-line vote Democrat or die group will vote for Obama. It is the ones who are angry at the DNC and Howard Dean...those are the ones who might be persuaded. But even if they are not, those independents and undecideds seem to really like her.
We will see how it goes...but it IS exciting, isn't it? She is definitely not Washington politics as usual and that is SO refreshing!
Dear Linda C in George -- don't send me any more personal emails...sm
post your comments on the board, please. Maybe other want to see your comments. Thank you. By the way, my entire post was from an online newspaper; none of it was my personal thoughts on the subject, aside from the Subject line above.
Email from Linda C in George:
I think it is a good thing for the University to cancel- you have seen the hatred put forth by McCain supporters- unreal- with almost a gang like trend to them. Oh, just 1 question- you wrote in your post this invitation was extended several months ago, like in February- strange that the people who invited him at that time did not KNOW who he was, right, even as late as 02/2008- but I guess Obama knew when he served on the Republican based board with him. You make contradictions in your statements but I get the jest. There are plenty of other states (mine included, Georgia) that have turned blue and I am looking for a total landslide for Obama.
fair and balanced . . . fair and
balanced . . . we're looking out for YOU . . . we're looking out for the FOLKs . . . fair and balanced . . .
whats fair is fair
Truth is, what is good for one is good for the other. If Palin puts herself out there, she is a target. But then so is Obama. The problem is that when you say anything about O people go crazy. When someone says something about Palin, its just true.
being fair?
What is fair when someone talks about aborting a whole race? What has Maher to do with it? I know for a fact if I had said something like Bennett said, I would not have my job or some friends and my family certainly would not be proud of me. OMG, the thought of killing off a whole race to me is pretty serious and I equate it to Hitler wanting to kill off certain types of people. To even try to defend Bennetts words makes me shake my head..Why would anyone want to defend his vile nasty comments? The guy has proven he is a jerk.
That's not fair...sm
I remember at least twice the topic of the Israel/Lebanon coming up, but I'll give you that it has not been discussed a lot.
See my post about WWIII. I also remember posting that I wanted to wait to see how our government reacts.
Fair enough.
Thank you for responding in a respectful manner.
For the record, I felt Kfir's remarks to me were offensive first, and that's why my remarks became nastier. In fact, the remark about Kfir not being representative of most Israelis was in direct response and in the same tone to Kfir's post to me regarding being representative of liberals.
And I don't believe my take on the end times is a fact. It's nothing more than my personal opinion, based on things I read that lead me to feel that way and raise the questions I raised.
I do agree that these issues are very emotionally charged and respect your decision to not discuss them further. Again, thank you for being respectful.
Fair enough, but we need a more immediate
I would be 100% fine with my taxes being raised 3% if it meant healthcare for all American children. Heck, I would be overjoyed with that! So if that bill ever comes up I guarantee you I will support it, but the fact is the current bill is a solution that could help families right now, and I support it. I would support just about any bill that would help lower health insurance costs to American families, honestly. I just truly think this one is great because it is aimed at covering minors. I also think it is great that Republican and Democratic leaders tried to work together and compromise on it and decided to tax cigarettes instead of raising taxes in other areas.
So yes, I would rather have a hike in taxes and have more affordable healthcare for kids. Is that the best solution for lower health care costs for adult Americans? Maybe not, but for the minors with no choice in what kind of family they are born into I think it is a great choice.
DW...that is not fair...
I SAID Democrats then...and I also said the Democratic Congress, because in that, just as in the Iraq War vote, the Congress is responsible, not the rank and file. The rank and file did not have an opportunity to vote on it. I NEVER said that Democratic Party TODAY was responsible for it (they are only responsible for the denial of it, and again, I mean the DNC, the policy makers, not the rank and file), I certainly NEVER said YOU personally were responsible. Why is it, help me understand, that if someone points out something truthful though not pleasant, that the "party" has done, you take it personally like I am saying it is you personally? This was a post entirely about the "party."
I guess the most startling thing about this whole thing is that if anything is said about the "party" it is taken personally. If I were in the party I would certainly be concerned that the "party" was in a state of denial about it, were actually lying about it on their website (because it is politically inexpedient for everyone to remember the past), I think THAT would offend me just as much. But...that is just me.
Suffice it to say, DW...if you choose to take a post about the Democratic Party, the voting, policy-making COngressional Democratic party at that time, personally, there is nothing I can do about that. It was not meant to be taken personally. However, I repeat...if you are going to be angry, be angry at those who did it and those who continue to lie and deny. Don't blame someone who posted the truth. And please, don't put words in my mouth. I never called Democrats baby killers. I have never called anyone a baby killer. And I certainly have not called anyone here a racist. There are certainly racists in this world, but nothing anyone has said here would make me think they are racist.
All that being said...all politics aside, all party stuff, all that crap...from one American to another...I hope you have a happy, blessed Thanksgiving Day and I hope you have plenty of family and friends around you to enjoy it with you.
Good evening!
Fair enough
point well taken. Sorry I offended you, I just get a little upset when people try and link (not that YOU were trying to link, but other posters have) trying to link any candidate running for president to a known criminal and horrible horrible person. I've heard people link Bush and Saddam together and I've been on the defensive about that.
Sorry again I offended you, I just don't like hearing the two being linked to each other.
Let's be fair now
If you repeat a slogan like "Change we can believe in" enough times you will believe him and his socialist beliefs.
If you think that is fair, well okay. I think it is
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The only one fit for the job of being fair
was Tim Russert. SOOO missing him now. Rest in peace Tim, although I know you are briefing everyone in Heaven lol.
I don't think that is entirely fair....
I think President Bush did a wonderful job after 9-11. I think he was the President we needed then. I still credit him with holding this country together. I think he has it right on terrorism. I have a lot of problems with things he has done and things he has not done...but on 9-11 and terrorism, I think he was the right man.
why does that seem fair to you?
What reason other than jealousy could make it seem fair to impose a higher tax on someone earning more money? So they worked hard, earned more and now they get punished for it because you didn't earn as much?
fair?
i don't like the usage basis because too many will not get needed care 'trying not to use it too much'. i like the preventative measures and the mccain plan that will drive down costs for polices with the competition across state lines and the money for families to purchase insurance.
fair enough....thanks...nm
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Fair enough.
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LOL...fair enough, but...(sm)
Here's what Alaska has to say about it.
http://www.ktva.com/ci_11255829
You can also find this story on Fox, AOL news, and a number of publications. From what I gather, Palin's spokesperson has said she won't accept the raise or will donate it. That really doesn't sound right to me, espcially since not only did she have a hand in selecting the committee that decided to give out the raises, but the committee was actually formed in order to evaluate whether raises were needed.
Why do I care about this? My guess is that we will see her again, so I think it's important to keep up with what she's doing in the meantime. I don't believe in that *out of sight, out of mind* thing.
Okay, let''s be fair about it s/m
let's "level the playing field." Let's have everyone paid on production at exactly the same rate for exactly the same amount of work. Let's level the playing field for MTs, that is ALL dictation goes in a pool, you get paid X amount for the work you do. You have easy stuff and you're fast.....too much advantage there.....need to level the playing field and bring you down to a level with those struggling with ESLs, mushmouths and the like. AND by all means let's not let any bargaining power in to help us with negotiations for better pay or medical benefits and LAST BUT NOT LEAST we sure don't want to trouble the greedy MTSOs with even contributing to a 401K as we all know that all medical transcriptionists have the desire to fall over dead while pounding the keyboard at a fairly young age. Unfortunately I know many who have done just that before they even reached retirement age. Of course by the time you youngsters reach retirement age there won't be such a thing as an MT and you may well be cleaning toilets.
to be fair...
KBR provides the galley in Iraq that my husband eats at, which he says is probably the best galley he has ever been to, and saves us money because he still receives his BAS. Without KBR, we would really not make much more money for him being away than we make when he is home because losing his BAS would basically eat up most of the hazardous duty pay he receives. I cannot get your link to do anything, so I am really not sure what this is all about, but from a military family, we do not think KBR is the root of all evil.
I may not seem fair as a tax cut, but...(sm)
what it does do is put money in the hands of people who have to spend it. If they were to just give money to the middle class, most of us would simply save it or pay off bills. That doesn't stimulate the economy. The spending deficit is the main problem with the economy, and that's what they are addressing with this. It's the same theory behind food stamps. Statistically, the poorer the people that receive the money, the more likely it will be spent -- and that's the goal -- to get people to spend money.
Really, if you look at the tax cuts that we are supposed to get that come to what, I think someone said about $13 a week, you will see the same concept. When Bush sent out those rebate checks, the idea, again, was to get people spending money. Well, they didn't. They paid bills and saved -- so we know that doesn't work. However, if you are just getting an extra $13 a week, most people will just see that as an extra $13 for something else they will buy. They will be less likely to save that $13 than they would a lump sum like the ones Bush sent out.
It may not seem fair as a tax cut, but...(sm)
what it does do is put money in the hands of people who have to spend it. If they were to just give money to the middle class, most of us would simply save it or pay off bills. That doesn't stimulate the economy. The spending deficit is the main problem with the economy, and that's what they are addressing with this. It's the same theory behind food stamps. Statistically, the poorer the people that receive the money, the more likely it will be spent -- and that's the goal -- to get people to spend money.
Really, if you look at the tax cuts that the middle class are supposed to get, they come to what, I think someone said about $13 a week, you will see the same concept. When Bush sent out those rebate checks, the idea, again, was to get people spending money. Well, they didn't. They paid bills and saved -- so we know that doesn't work. However, if you are just getting an extra $13 a week, most people will just see that as an extra $13 for something else they will buy. They will be less likely to save that $13 than they would a lump sum like the ones Bush sent out. That means the likelihood of the money being spent is greater.
It may not seem fair as a tax cut, but...(sm)
what it does do is put money in the hands of people who have to spend it. If they were to just give money to the middle class, most of us would simply save it or pay off bills. That doesn't stimulate the economy. The spending deficit is the main problem with the economy, and that's what they are addressing with this. It's the same theory behind food stamps. Statistically, the poorer the people that receive the money, the more likely it will be spent -- and that's the goal -- to get people to spend money.
Really, if you look at the tax cuts that the middle class are supposed to get, they come to what, I think someone said about $13 a week, you will see the same concept. When Bush sent out those rebate checks, the idea, again, was to get people spending money. Well, they didn't. They paid bills and saved -- so we know that doesn't work. However, if you are just getting an extra $13 a week, most people will just see that as an extra $13 for something else they will buy. They will be less likely to save that $13 than they would a lump sum like the ones Bush sent out. That means the likelihood of the money being spent is greater.
I don't think that is fair.
The subject of abortion is just going way too far left here. If someone doesn't approve of abortions, they should not be forced to do them. If a mother has the right to abort her baby, a doctor should have a right to refuse to perform such a thing. That mother will just have to go to someone else. But to take the rights away from either the mother or the doctor......that isn't right. If you want the government to stay out of your uterus, then don't take free will away from someone who doesn't believe in it by making them perform such an act. Think about it. When you look at it from both sides, the extreme left and the extreme right are both wanting unfair things.
I really don't think that is fair.
I mean....there are the major kool-aid drinkers who refuse to see anything bad about obama no matter what the man does, but that really goes on both sides. Some pubs are just as bad about that. I think that Obama ran a great campaign with promises that people really wanted to believe. However, now some of those Obama supporters are sweating it too. It is now only the democratic kool-aid drinkers that continue to praise him.
Fair enough....with one qualification...
The last line of the post...was in response to a poster saying that conservatives saying "I am a nice person and I know I am right so don't feel the need to defend..." yada yada. I am not trying to pick a fight. As to knowing what I am talking about and you don't...if that is the impression you take, I am sorry for that. I think most of the posts directed at me...to call them condescending would be mild. And yet again...you MISUNDERSTAND no matter how many times I have said it. I am not against S-CHIP. I was fine with it as it was. I was against expanding it to higher income levels. So, if you are going to lecture me, at least get it RIGHT. Again...not against SCHIP. I said, very clearly in my post, that I was all for taking care of low income families who could not afford to insure their children. You chose to ignore that and yet again accuse me of being against S-CHIP. So, thank you for respecting my opinion, however, please get my respect the correct opinion.
And..so sorry for trying to extend an olive branch. Obviously the wrong thing to do.
I am a Fox fan, because I believe they are fair and they are balanced...
and I think they really did the right thing in this case. I hope nobody airs it. It will get ugly enough without that kind of thing floating around.
to be fair and ba;anced here
They don't need to run that ad. Sean Hannity repeats his mantra of Rev. Wright and Ayers every evening. He does not seem to have much respect for his viewers. He just repeats those 2 things over and over like the viewers are dumb stumps.
fair by whose standards?
Not fair by my standards. Who is making the rules about fair and unfair?
My Fair Veep
Subject: Maureen Dowd - NY Times - Sept 10/08
My Fair Veep
WASILLA, Alaska
The rain in Spain stays mainly in the Arctic plain ...
I hope John McCain doesn’t throw his slippers at Sarah Palin’s head or get as acerbic as Henry Higgins did with Eliza Doolittle when she did not learn quickly enough. McCain’s Pygmalion has to be careful, because his Galatea might be armed with more than a sharp tongue.
For the first time in American history, we have a “My Fair Lady” moment, as teams of experts bustle around the most famous woman in politics, intensely coaching her for her big moment at the ball — her first unscripted interview here this week with ABC News’s Charlie Gibson.
Eliza, by George, got it and brought off the coup of passing herself off as a Hungarian princess rather than a Covent Garden flower seller. Sarah’s challenge is far tougher, and that’s why she’s pulling the political equivalent of an all-nighter. She doesn’t have to pass herself off as a different class or change her voice or be more highfalutin. The McCain campaign is reveling in its anti-intellectual tenor.
Sarah, who is now so renowned that she is known merely by one name and has a name ID of 90 percent, has to be a Kmart mom who appeals to Kmart moms and dads. She’s already shown that she can shoot the pig, put lipstick on it, bring home the bacon and fry it up in a pan. Now all she has to do is also prove that she can be the leader of the free world on a moment’s notice, and field dress Putin as adeptly as she can a moose.
After devilishly mocking Obama — and successfully getting into his head — with ads about how he was just a frothy celebrity, like Paris Hilton and Britney Spears, it turns out all the McCain camp wanted was an Obama of its own. Now that they have the electric Palin, they’ve stopped arguing that celebrity is bad. All they do is worship at her cult of celebrity. As Rick Davis, a top McCain adviser, said: “This election is not about issues. This election is about a composite view of what people take away from these candidates.”
Wasilla will be crawling with four groups — ABC staffers, frantically getting ready for the big showdown; McCain staffers, frantically tutoring Palin for the big showdown; McCain vetters, who are belatedly doing their job checking to see if Palin is a qualified White House contender and doing their best to shut down Troopergate and assembling a “truth squad” posse of Palinistas to rebut any criticism and push back any prying reporters; and journalists — from Sydney to Washington — who are here to draw back the curtain on the shiny reformer image that the McCain camp has conjured for their political ingénue and see what’s behind it.
Gibson has his work cut out for him. His problem isn’t coming up with a list of questions, but finding time to drill deeply enough into all the unknown territory of her life. It’s a task that dwarfs the drilling job the oil companies are doing on Alaska’s North Slope.
In the end, none of it may matter, since Palin has rocketed in the polls, drawing women and men with her vapid — if vivacious and visceral — scripted cheerleading. But if you’re reading this, Charlie, we want to know everything, including:
What kind of budget-cutter makes a show of getting rid of the state plane, then turns around and bills taxpayers for the travel of her husband and kids between Juneau and Wasilla and sticks the state with a per-diem tab to stay in her own home?
Why was Sarah for the Bridge to Nowhere before she was against the Bridge to Nowhere, and why was she for earmarks before she was against them? And doesn’t all this make her just as big a flip-flopper as John Kerry?
What kind of fiscal conservative raises taxes and increases budgets in both her jobs — as mayor and as governor?
When the phone rings at 3 a.m., will she call the Wasilla Assembly of God congregation and ask them to pray on a response, as she asked them to pray for a natural gas pipeline?
Does she really think Adam, Eve, Satan and the dinosaurs mingled on the earth 5,000 years ago?
Why put out a press release about her teenage daughter’s pregnancy and then spend the next few days attacking the press for covering that press release?
As Troopergate unfolds here — an inquiry into whether Palin inappropriately fired the commissioner of public safety for refusing to fire her ex-brother-in-law — it raises this question: Who else is on her enemies list and what might she do with the F.B.I.?
Does she want a federal ban on trans fat in restaurants and a ban on abortion and Harry Potter? And which books exactly would have landed on the literature bonfire if she had had her way with that Wasilla librarian?
Just how is it that Fannie and Freddie have cost taxpayers money (since they haven’t yet)?
Does she talk in tongues or just eat caribou tongues? What does she have against polar bears?
Yes fair and balanced. sm
I disagree - it is well known that they are extremely right-slanted. Fair and balanced. What a joke. Why do you think people in the know refer to them as Faux or Fixed news - just a coincidence?
Chris Wallace's vicious sucker-punch attack on Bill Clinton (wherin Wallace got his rear end handed to him on a platter).
I don't think it's fair to just say pubs
GP...I have had many dems be downright hateful to me about the fact that i'm too "close minded" and "ignorant" because I won't vote for Obama.
Quite frankly I don't care, because I consider myself an independent. I just happen to be voting republican this time. I wish like heck an independent had become a viable candidate but i'll be amazed if that EVER happens.
I agree - not fair
If you don't like Bush that is one thing. To say he is evil is way out of line. Just like the people who said Clinton was evil.
Just say I'm looking forward to a different regime and that would be fine.
It probably wouldn't be fair...(sm)
but it's a start. There is a distinct advantage to taxing cigs. If you tax junk food and sodas, people will simply quit buying them when the price goes up. Smokers (myself included) have an addiction, which means we'll keep buying cigs regardless of the price. Because of this, by taxing smokers they get a steadier source of revenue. Are they taking advantage of the situation? Absolutely! But I really don't hold any resentment about it. I was buying cigs when they were $1 a pack and am still buying them at $4 a pack, and until I decide to quit, I'll keep on paying more and more. At least with this, part of what I pay for my addiction is going towards something good.
Fair enough - I am wrong
It just occurred to me by your post how wrong and idiotic I was to base my opinion of democrats on Kieth Olberman. Especially when you said its like basing conservatives on Rush Limbaugh. AAAAAKS and EGAAAADS! Sometimes it takes someone saying this to bring me back to earth. HA HA. I do apologize. JTBB, going to reply to your message below.
I too am an independent and have been saying all along that neither party has all the answers, even if I was attacked by some below because I don't adore Obama.
Olbermann doesn't vote? That's weird. Guess he finally realized that maybe our vote doesn't count (imagine that). I do have to say I do like Rachel Maddow. She at least is respectful of everyone and doesn't give weird sneers and looks when talking about "the enemy". HA HA.
My apologies and thank you for knocking some sense back into me.
And which fair assessment would that be?
What are you taking issue with here, the part where insults beget insults, that I'm sick and tired of non-stop snipes or what? Answer one question for me. What part of this thread has anything to do with politics at this point? In fact, what political issue did you have in mind when you made your so-called fair assessment?
No fair for the welfare
well, my husband was laid off the 1st of the year. We lost our insurance. I am in between chemo treatments (last one in October) and his unemployment will not cover the mortgage and COBRA. So, a major hospital is pulling strings to try to get me treatment. Am I going to refuse it? No. Call it welfare, call me lazy. I don't give a rats. You need to research all this welfare crap before you spout off about it. A very, very small portion of your tax dollars go to pay for the indigent (lazy). I know. I went into social work. It is political propaganda to get people riled up. So easily manipulated...........sigh
Fair and balanced....LOL (sm)
That must be why they tried to pass off that GOP press release like it was their own....complete with the same typos...
As might you. FAIR accepted
the Pioneer Fund for over a decade in excess of a million dollars. I don't think that an organization that would do that could be considered to provide an objective opinion on this subject.
Truly Fair And Balanced
Something here for everyone.
Yep - looks fair and balanced - NOT
Nope....It's not about being fair...(sm)
it's about getting rid of the extremists. Those would be the people who are way outside of the mainstream of the American people as a whole. I'd say Moore, Olbermann and Matthews are probably a little to the left right now, but not to the extreme left. Whereas Fixed Noise et AL are way out of the mainstream and are definitely on the far right agenda.
All is fair in love and war.
Our government changed its opinion on interrogation in an attempt to save your life and all you can do is complain about that. How dare our government try to save American lives! Do you really think that treating terrorists we capture like vacationing guests that they will willingly give up information that will help us stop further attacks? These terrorists are just laughing and telling their pals not to worry about being captured because the US are too big of pu$$ies to do anything to them and all they have to do is bide their time there until they are released and then they can go back and blow some more of us up. Great idea!
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